[00:16] <yohomer> On the subject of partitioning, I'm setting up a presently functional multi-boot system on a MBR partitioned SSD with sd3 dedicated for an isolated master grub changer (per community/MultiOSBoot) .... but of course am working with only Grub2, not legacy. Boot sequence now flows from BIOS -> MBR (Boot Loader stage1) to the current Ubuntu root on sda6.
[00:18] <yohomer> I'd like the boot sequence to hit sda3 and chain from there, per the referenced doc which makes a lot of sense to me, but am uncertain how to arrive at that, or even whether this strategy is still the best.
[00:20] <yohomer> s/changer/chainer above
[00:21] <yohomer> Win7 is on sda2
[00:24] <yohomer> Credit to Ubuntu installer for bringing this all together. Stage 2 of the boot loader is now in its root on sda6 (and a Cent root on sda7)
[00:26] <yohomer> While it works now, .... it seems quite vulnerable to me, and would welcome ideas for backup/restore tools.
[00:32] <yohomer> and/or for putting the chaining grub into its solitary designated primary partition
[01:54] <Phruis> what library does files use to connect to sftp ?
[01:54] <Phruis> i think i am missing it
[02:03] <gehn> how do I install ssdm? it seems to be missing when I search in synaptic or on cli with apt-cache
[02:03] <gehn> but it seems to be supposedly available https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/sddm
[02:04] <gehn> my sources.list appears to have universe enabled and the checkboxes in Software & Updates seem to confirm this
[02:04] <gehn> but no ssdm...
[02:05] <oerheks> your url gives the answer ssdm > sddm
[02:05] <oerheks> what guide do you follow?
[02:06] <gehn> I don't understand what "ssdm > ssdm" means here
[02:06] <gehn> I'm not following a guide right now
[02:06] <oerheks> don't you spot the typo?
[02:06] <gehn> ohhh, hah, ok yes
[02:07] <gehn> hahah, thanks
[02:08] <oerheks> installing should also procecute "sudo dpkg-reconfigure sddm" and reboot after that
[02:09] <gehn> oerheks, yup that works, thanks
[02:09] <gehn> now... how do I use wayland? I don't see any such setting in either lightdm or sddm
[02:10] <oerheks> logout, select the user, *then* the change xorg/wayland button pops up
[02:11] <gehn> hmm, yeah that wasn't happening for me as far as I can tell
[02:11] <oerheks> ugly design, not being able to select before login
[02:12] <oerheks> c/login > select user
[02:12] <gehn> my user was selected but the only options in the dropdown at the bottom of sddm were for the DEs, no options relating to wayland
[02:12] <gehn> it was that and the "virtual keyboard" were the only other options available on the sddm screen that did anything
[02:15] <oerheks> sddm and no wayland, no clue there
[02:43] <gehn> well, lightdm doesn't seem to have the option either
[02:43] <gehn> which dm are you using?
[02:44] <oerheks> standard gdm3
[03:34] <Knifa> Hey folks, can someone point me at the best place to report Raspberry Pi issues? Fresh install of the aarch64 variant on a 3A kernel panics right away with a memory deadlock.
[03:35] <Knifa> About to try the aarch32 variant.
[03:37] <oerheks> Knifa, see the releasentes of 19.10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes#Raspberry_Pi
[03:37] <Knifa> oerheks, ah I totally missed this! Cheers.
[03:38] <oerheks> depends what pi version, the 4 has a 3 gb memory bug
[03:38] <oerheks> have fun!
[03:38] <oerheks> and from
[03:39] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue604
[03:39] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/blog/roadmap-for-official-support-for-the-raspberry-pi-4
[03:39] <Knifa> i'm on the 3A which has a bug there, haha
[03:40] <Knifa> looks like a fix is coming though
[03:43] <Knifa> bye!
[03:53] <Blade> 1
[03:59] <DocPlatypus> ok. new VGA to HDMI adapter I bought from Amazon for use with old laptop without HDMI output and potential new TV or projector with no VGA 15-pin input. I am trying to get the screen to mirror between the laptop and the TV (testing with my TV's HDMI inputs for now)... sometimes it will appear to work and then the laptop display will cycle off and on every so often
[03:59] <DocPlatypus> what could possibly be going on?
[04:00] <DocPlatypus> and sometimes I can get it to work and stay working but it's apparently random
[04:05] <DocPlatypus> I might add it looks like there is something that keeps wanting to reset the resolutions, as the adapter can do 1920x1080 but my laptop display only does 1366x768
[04:35] <DocPlatypus> think I may have finally found the issue, power related (drawing too much power from laptop's USB port)
[04:42] <DocPlatypus> ok it's not that, tried to do mirrored again and it's still flipping between 1920x1080 and back
[04:42] <DocPlatypus> finally got it to stabilize by clicking before it switched modes
[04:42] <dentalfloss> Hey guys, I'm having some trouble moving from PopOS to elementary wrt booting, wondering if anyone has a moment to help me out
[04:50] <DocPlatypus> also does anyone know of a situation where xrandr commands would just get completely ignored?
[05:02] <kk4ewt> wayland
[05:18] <makara> hi. Any update on how to disable headset in bluetooth, or make A2DP default?
[05:28] <dentalfloss> So am trying to install elementary under UEFI, but it seems to have reformatted the disk as MBR. I'm going to try again but to check I should make the following partitions in gparted before install:512 MB FAT32 with esp flag, mount point /bootremainder of disk EXT4, mount point /then install on the second partition?
[05:31] <dax> dentalfloss: #ubuntu only supports Ubuntu and its official derivatives. You'll want to ask the Elementary folks if you're trying to install Elementary.
[05:39] <flog> Id like to change the icon for the nm-applet tray icon. Not sure where to look. Any ideas
[05:46] <oerheks> the launcher .desktop file has that data, https://askubuntu.com/questions/894990/how-to-change-an-icon-in-16-04
[06:01] <DocPlatypus> odd. so I am running Xwayland and didn't realize it... is there any way to switch back to the "normal" X server?
[06:01] <DocPlatypus> xrandr does work when I am running one screen, though. it just doesn't behave as expected when the laptop's internal display is also up
[06:05] <oerheks> logout, select the user, *then* the change xorg/wayland button pops up
[06:31] <DocPlatypus> ok let me try that
[06:43] <DocPlatypus> ok so I don't have an option to start GNOME without Wayland... this is on 18.04
[06:44] <DocPlatypus> I am guessing there's something I might be able to tweak in Wayland so it doesn't keep switching resolutions on me. I've never had this issue before that I can recall
[06:55] <IaMnEwHeRe> Hi there, I was just wondering if any of you have experience with the softwarepackages zoom.us offers
[06:56] <IaMnEwHeRe> I personally find them a scurge out for user-data only, instead of improving their service first and formost, but unfortunately,I might have to install their software, because their web-interface is a piece of work to say the least
[06:57] <IaMnEwHeRe> so I was wondering if there is a safe way of installing their software/letting it run on my system without giving them anything
[06:57] <oerheks> IaMnEwHeRe, ask in ##linux, commercial services is beyound the scope of this channel
[06:58] <IaMnEwHeRe> thx, was asking for experience , could be that someone of you guys has some experience with it, but I will check that channel out
[06:58] <DocPlatypus> I'd like to know as well
[06:59] <flog> DocPlatypus: you choose at login if you want to start X or wayland.
[07:08] <DocPlatypus> flog: I don't appear to have that option
[07:08] <DocPlatypus> this is on 18.04 LTS
[07:08] <oerheks> if you have nvidia installed, there is no xorg or wayland option, and then you have xorg only
[07:09] <DocPlatypus> I have an integrated Intel video chip
[07:09] <DocPlatypus> it's an old laptop
[07:10] <oerheks> so, you are lucky you get an output on that vga-hdmi adapter
[07:11] <DocPlatypus> really?
[07:11] <DocPlatypus> the VGA port does 1920x1080 to a regular monitor over VGA just fine
[07:11] <DocPlatypus> it will do the same res to this TV but it's only a 720p TV so it looks like poo
[07:12] <DocPlatypus> but I've never had it keep switching resolutions with the monitor before, not even when I had both the internal display and monitor going at the same time
[07:14] <DocPlatypus> if I have one or the other (internal display with adapter disconnected, or VGA to HDMI adapter with laptop lid closed) I don't have any issues. but the main reason I got this adapter was so I could use the laptop to give presentations on projectors that may not have VGA ports
[07:15] <DocPlatypus> I don't think it's the TV that's the issue, as my mom's TV did the same thing until I finally got lucky and got it to quit switching back and forth somehow
[07:58] <erle64-> How long is 19.04 supported?
[07:58] <erle64-> I got one installation that I cannot upgrade for a few more weeks.
[08:06] <Ben64> !19.04 | erle-
[08:07] <DocPlatypus> I think I finally figured it out
[08:08] <DocPlatypus> xrandr --output VIRTUAL1 --off --output LVDS1 --mode 1366x768 --pos 0x0 --rotate normal --output TV1 --off --output DP1 --off --output VGA1 --primary --mode 1360x768 --pos 0x0 --rotate normal
[08:08] <DocPlatypus> the key is apparently the VIRTUAL1 bit
[08:13] <DocPlatypus> !20.04
[08:14] <DocPlatypus> erle-: if your "a few" is less than about 8 you're in luck I guess?
[08:14] <DocPlatypus> BTW this is why I stick to LTS releases now
[08:17] <enriooooooo> hi
[08:18]  * IaMnEwHeRe helloooooo enriooooooo
[08:18] <enriooooooo> i belong to both root group and my own group but still not able to access root files
[08:18] <DocPlatypus> and for further documentation if anyone else runs into this issue: I used the arandr front end to convince whatever graphics subsystem to behave
[08:19] <enriooooooo> cat /etc/groups are as follows
[08:19] <enriooooooo> root:x:0:mrx
[08:20] <enriooooooo> i belong to root group still unable to access files
[08:20] <enriooooooo> the file and its parent are of following permission 0770
[08:21] <erle-> DocPlatypus, yes, maybe three weeks
[08:21] <erle-> DocPlatypus, thanks
[08:22] <IaMnEwHeRe> enriooooooo, well..... what does $>id  say?
[08:22] <enriooooooo> uid=1000(mrx) gid=1000(mrx) groups=1000(mrx),0(root),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),111(lpadmin),123(sambashare)
[08:22] <erle-> DocPlatypus, is just one test machine that I cannot upgrade, all my production machines are LTS or 19.10
[08:23] <IaMnEwHeRe> enriooooooo, execute newgrp and try again
[08:23] <enriooooooo> root as my secondary group
[08:23] <IaMnEwHeRe> the gid is not propperly set, but I never had any of those problems(mind you I keep root and user separated for obvious reasons)
[08:23] <IaMnEwHeRe> but where I am using docker and wireshark all is well with that
[08:23] <IaMnEwHeRe> btw: did you log out and in again?
[08:24] <IaMnEwHeRe> because I have the feeling that you just added the id
[08:24] <IaMnEwHeRe> group sry in that case enriooooooo the current environment will still run without the additional group
[08:27] <enriooooooo> not sure what is going wrong
[08:28] <enriooooooo> i didnt logout
[08:28] <enriooooooo> should i need to try that?
[08:29] <IaMnEwHeRe> my point, maybe a restart of your UI or popping a new shell within the current shell(execute bash again) will solve the issue, as the change in configuration is not reflected in the current environment
[08:31] <enriooooooo> hmmm
[08:31] <enriooooooo> okay
[08:31] <IaMnEwHeRe> but just one more time for the record, it is a bad IDEA IMHO
[08:32] <IaMnEwHeRe> because that would basically grant all your applicatoins(e.g. your browser) admin-priviledges
[08:34] <enriooooooo> yep!
[08:34] <enriooooooo> thats a bad idea
[08:36] <enriooooooo> but it can be of temporary right?
[08:36] <oerheks> silly idea ..
[08:36]  * IaMnEwHeRe suspects enrioooooo to be a troll
[08:36] <enriooooooo> temp admin privilege
[08:37] <oerheks> sudo -i # gives root for the rest of the session
[08:37] <IaMnEwHeRe> for that you have sudo
[08:37] <IaMnEwHeRe> oerheks why would this switch even exist?
[08:37]  * IaMnEwHeRe pulls out his last hair
[08:37] <oerheks> because.
[08:37] <Kharec> 'morning !
[09:20] <Mrokii> Hello. Does anybody know if it's a Linux-issue, if an Android device connected via USB / ADB is going offline after a short while?
[09:22] <tomreyn> Mrokii: hard to tell, you'll probably increase your chances to tell by comparing the logs on both systems.
[09:23] <tomreyn> ubuntu has the journalctl command for this purpose (-f to follow), and android has something called "logcat"
[09:25] <Mrokii> tomreyn: Okay, thanks, I'll look into that.
[10:46] <Intelo> what is my ulimit? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NJGnXpKjXy/
[10:46] <ikonia> ulimit is the command
[10:46] <ikonia> what limit are you looking at
[10:47] <Intelo> ikonia,  thats the paste
[10:47] <Intelo> ikonia, maximum files
[10:48] <ikonia> Intelo: max number of files or max open files ? (able to access)
[10:48] <ikonia> Intelo: basically, what is the problem you are trying to solve ?
[10:48] <Intelo> ikonia, yes  I have this problem https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10355501/connect-emfile-error-in-node-js
[10:49] <ikonia> Intelo: so it's maxium number of open files
[10:49] <ikonia> that's the one you're interesting in
[10:49] <Intelo> ikonia,  which line in the paste?
[10:50] <ikonia> the one that says "open files"
[10:51] <ramsub07> Hi, I would like to install libvtk5-dev. but it has an unmet dependency of mpi-default-dev. How do I isntall libvtk5-dev alongwith all the dependencies? i tried `apt-get isntall -f`, it didn't work. Logs : http://dpaste.com/26HCN47
[10:51] <ikonia> ramsub07: where are you getting the libvtk5-dev package ?
[10:52] <Intelo> ikonia,  ok and where it says the open file limit is?
[10:52] <ikonia> Intelo: what ?
[10:52] <Intelo> ikonia,  what is the limit of my OS for max open files at a time
[10:52] <ikonia> Intelo: it says it in the open files bit of the paste you put in
[10:52] <ramsub07> ikonia: from aptitude
[10:52] <ikonia> in your paste
[10:52] <ikonia> ramsub07: no, that's a package manager, what repo
[10:53] <geirha> xp
[10:53] <ramsub07> ikonia: how to figure that out?
[10:53] <Intelo> ikonia,  thats the limit? but how many open files do I have at the moment?
[10:53] <ikonia> ramsub07: I don't know the aptitude syntax off the top of my head but apt-cache search and apt-cache showpkg should show it
[10:54] <ikonia> Intelo: you're asking how many current files you have open
[10:54] <ikonia> lsof is "list open files" - but you may want to man it to see if you need to specify an option to limit it to your user
[10:54] <Intelo> ikonia, yes
[10:55] <Intelo> ikonia, I did sudo nano /etc/sysctl.conf and added fs.file-max = 65535. Did sudo sysctl -p but it seems it has not in effect?
[10:55] <ikonia> Intelo: what effect are you looking for
[10:56] <Intelo> ikonia, effect = change max limit of open files
[10:56] <ikonia> Intelo: how are you judging that it's not changed the limit ?
[10:57] <Intelo> ikonia, open files in my paste is 1024 and not 65535
[10:57] <Intelo> ikonia,  to my understandings. 'open files' is the max limit
[10:58] <ikonia> Intelo: that's because it's a "user" limit, the u in "ulimit" stands for "user"
[10:58] <Intelo> ikonia, how can I see 'count' of totoal files open at the moment?
[10:58] <ikonia> Intelo: I just told you, lsof
[10:58] <Intelo> ikonia, oh ok. how to change it for system wide for all users?
[10:59] <ikonia> Intelo: I'm not sure this is something you want to be doing
[10:59] <Intelo> ikonia,  I do
[10:59] <ikonia> you don't, certainly not in line with the problem stack exchange paste you made
[10:59] <Intelo> ok. at least for systemctl (root) I think and 'ubuntu' user
[11:00] <ikonia> systemctl is a command
[11:00] <Intelo> ikonia, systemctl someservice
[11:00] <Intelo> ikonia, systemctl someservice start
[11:00] <Intelo> its for that service
[11:00] <Intelo> I think its run by root
[11:00] <Intelo> any way
[11:00] <Intelo> When I did sudo nano /etc/sysctl.conf and added fs.file-max = 65535. For which user was this effect for?\
[11:01] <ikonia> Intelo: it's not a user
[11:02] <enriooooooo> got into issue
[11:02] <enriooooooo> when ever i use sudo
[11:02] <enriooooooo> following error display
[11:02] <Intelo> ikonia, question: When I do cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max I get 65535. WHen I do ulimit -a , I get 1024. Why
[11:02] <enriooooooo> mrx is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:02] <ikonia> Intelo: because it's a user limit
[11:02] <Intelo> ikonia,  it's not a user < the serivce is run by  a user and I need to change ulimit for that user
[11:03] <enriooooooo> thats ulimit Intelo
[11:03] <ikonia> enriooooooo: it is
[11:03] <Intelo> ikonia,  and this is a system limit? cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max I get 65535
[11:03] <ikonia> oops
[11:03] <ramsub07> ikonia: So, libvtk5-dev asks me to install openmpi-dev upon installing which it asks me to install libvtk5.8, again upon doing which it asks me to install openmpi-dev again
[11:03] <Intelo> ikonia, /....
[11:03] <ramsub07> i don't understand what is going on
[11:03] <enriooooooo> you can alter too but not prescribed Intelo
[11:04] <Intelo> enriooooooo,  whats the issue here? why I get different values
[11:04] <enriooooooo> there is limit for the system
[11:04] <enriooooooo> there is limit for users
[11:05] <Intelo> enriooooooo, oh ok.  cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max I get 65535  and  /etc/sysctl.conf and added fs.file-max = 65535  are SYSTEM limits?
[11:05] <enriooooooo> ikonia, a little help
[11:05] <enriooooooo> mrx is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:06] <enriooooooo> google Intelo
[11:06] <Intelo> enriooooooo, I did.
[11:06] <Intelo> enriooooooo,  if I do sudo sysctl -p won't it  be my limit too?
[11:06] <Intelo> ikonia, how to permanently change my ulimit
[11:07] <enriooooooo> changing ulimit and too bashrc
[11:08] <enriooooooo> what are you trying to do? Intelo
[11:08] <enriooooooo> anything on multithreading?
[11:08] <Intelo> enriooooooo, I have an application run by sudo systemctl start some.service . I want to increase ulimit to max for this
[11:09] <enriooooooo> see the best practice Intelo
[11:09] <Intelo> enriooooooo, what do I need to do?
[11:11] <Intelo> enriooooooo, ?
[11:11] <enriooooooo> see the best practice over google
[11:12] <Intelo> enriooooooo,  I get billions of results. which one is best practice
[11:12] <enriooooooo> there is a reason its 1024
[11:12] <enriooooooo> google Intelo
[11:12] <Intelo> enriooooooo, ya its ok but my app needs more.
[11:12] <Intelo> enriooooooo,  I wouldn't be on irc if google had interacted with me :)
[11:14] <Intelo> How to change ulimit for all users</
[11:14] <Intelo> all systemctl services
[11:14] <enriooooooo> see .profile
[11:17] <Intelo> enriooooooo,  I did LimitNOFILE=65536  inside app.service. Is that ok
[11:18] <Intelo> enriooooooo, https://serverfault.com/a/678861
[11:19] <Intelo> enriooooooo,  is that sane?
[11:22] <Intelo> anyone else?
[11:24] <enriooooooo> yes same
[11:25] <Intelo> enriooooooo, you mean 'sane'
[11:31] <enriooooooo> same
[11:31] <Intelo> enriooooooo, ..
[11:32] <mgedmin> Intelo: ooh, file limits, I hate them
[11:32] <mgedmin> too late
[11:33] <enriooooooo> also look for how it works , there is waiting state before it can reused
[11:35] <enriooooooo> https://vincent.bernat.ch/en/blog/2014-tcp-time-wait-state-linux
[11:37] <vincenzoml> hi, I installed telegram using apt (from the ubuntu repositories) and there is no "tray icon", I know these are deprecated and I don't know what my options are, and what happens when I close telegram (does it still receive messages? How to tell when it's running?)
[11:37] <vincenzoml> I'm on 19.10
[11:42] <mgedmin> the stock ubuntu session in 19.10 ships with a gnome-shell extension that adds tray icons to the top bar, on the right-hand side
[11:43] <enrio> mrx is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:43] <enrio> what can i do about it?
[11:46] <mgedmin> https://xkcd.com/838/
[11:48] <mgedmin> enrio: if I'm reading the backlog correctly (and tracking your nick changes correctly), you're a member of the sudo group, right?
[11:48] <mgedmin> so if sudo fails, it seems that you've edited and broken your /etc/sudoers
[11:49] <mgedmin> to fix the situation you need to get root somehow and run visudo, then fix /etc/sudoers
[11:49] <Intelo> How can I be sure that the system service ulimit is in effect?
[11:49] <mgedmin> enrio: the default /etc/sudoers looks like this: https://termbin.com/5awy
[11:51] <mgedmin> enrio: there are multiple ways of getting root when you're locked out, e.g. select rescue in the grub boot menu then select root shell in the next menu
[11:51] <mgedmin> or you can boot a live session from a usb and mount your filesystem, then edit /mnt/etc/sudoers
[11:51] <skr> I need help with udev. It doesn't create symlink and set owner. What am I doing wrong? https://pastebin.com/mjtnVmaw
[11:53] <LuckyMan> does Ubuntu runs fine on a HP Pavilion 15-bc505np ?
[11:53] <enrio> ill go through grub
[11:53] <enrio> need to look for some article before that
[11:53] <enrio> and write it down :)
[11:53] <mgedmin> copy/paste might be easier in a live session
[11:53] <mgedmin> but all you need is one line
[11:53] <mgedmin> the one that mentions the sudo group
[11:54] <enrio> visudo? what is that
[11:54] <mgedmin> it's a program that opens /etc/sudoers in vi and then checks its syntax for correctness before replacing the file
[11:55] <mgedmin> it's meant as a safeguard so you won't lock yourself out of sudo if you make a syntax error
[11:55] <enrio> sudoers file are used to who can run sudo command?
[11:55] <mgedmin> yes
[11:55] <oerheks> enrio, still doing stuff we told you is bad ?
[11:55] <enrio> :) oerheks
[11:56] <oerheks> time to reinstall dude
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:00] <enrio> noway :! oerheks
[12:00] <oerheks> cat /etc/groups are as follows   root:x:0:mrx  .. hilarious, but a good lesson
[12:01] <skr> nevermind. I figured it out.
[12:01] <enrio> group:passwordx:gid:users ingroup :P
[12:02] <enrio> yes good lesson
[12:45] <stripe> hi all, running 19.10-gnome with 3
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> hi stripe
[12:49] <stripe> hi all, running 19.10-gnome with 3 instances of chromium-snap, what would the preferred method to use/call them, either by writing a 1 line .sh script or editing the .desktop files? cheers
[12:54] <fletcher-san> Anyone have any idea why slack 4.1.2 will not start on ubuntu 18.04? It's window opens with menus but it's all white
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> fletcher-san: did you reboot and check the slack permissions in software center?
[12:56] <fletcher-san> lotuspsychje: No I didn't reboot yet, as that's something usually not needed on ubuntu... Where can I find the permissions in the software center?
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> fletcher-san: when you click on slack in software center, at the top there should be permissions
[12:57] <ioria> fletcher-san, might be useful start it from terminal
[13:04] <Kharec> Quick question out of curiosity, can we also debate ubuntu server questions here, or devops questions related to ubuntu server ?
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Kharec
[13:05] <rana_ans> my ubuntu works fine but it's slow considering I have a gaming laptop
[13:05] <mgedmin> there's also #ubuntu-server
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: define slow, with wich ubuntu version and what specs please
[13:06] <rana_ans> I have 128gb SSD but I installed ubuntu on 1TB HDD, RAM is 8GB, Im using 18.04
[13:06] <rana_ans> laptop is ASUS TUF FX505GD,
[13:06] <rana_ans> is it because I installed it on HDD instead SSD?
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: ok, and wich part goes 'slow' exactly?
[13:07] <rana_ans> like Im opening firefox, it takes time, like more than when Im opening chrome in windows lol
[13:07] <rana_ans> running gazebo takes alot of time
[13:08] <mgedmin> oh yea, the speed difference between HDD and SSD is immense
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: well for a gaming box, 8GB is a bit low, and would be nicer if you install ubuntu on the ssd indeed
[13:08] <mgedmin> which is especially noticeable in application startup time
[13:08] <rana_ans> yea 8gb, that was a mistake, Ill upgrade :D
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> gnome3 grabs alot of resources on 18.04 aswell, try ubuntu 19.04 or higher for a lighter gnome3 experience rana_ans
[13:09] <rana_ans> should I install it on SSD then? coz it was hectic installing Ubuntu on ASUS, ASUS doesnt support ubuntu
[13:10] <rana_ans> Im working on ROS and I dont think all of the packages would be available in 19.04
[13:10] <rana_ans> a year ago they werent available in 18.04 I was using 16.04
[13:10] <mgedmin> do you intend to dual-boot?  128 GB might be smallish for two OSes
[13:11] <rana_ans> I have alot of softwares that I dont think run in Ubuntu so I need windows for that
[13:12] <rana_ans> and Im using ROS in my project so I need ubuntu as well
[13:12] <rana_ans> and tbh I need windows for games too xD
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: another option is tweaking your current gnome on 18.04
[13:13] <rana_ans> ok what does that mean, I dont know much about Ubuntu
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: what i usualy do is, install preload, haveged, bleachbit, disable unwanted startup items & systemd services
[13:15] <rana_ans> I only have three things in startup applications
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: you can see the full list with a command
[13:15] <stripe> hi all, where would I find the .desktop file for a snap? cheers
[13:16] <rana_ans> what command is it?
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: from terminal: sudo sed -i "s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g" /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[13:16] <rana_ans> outputs nothing
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> rana_ans: thats normal, now more startup items will show
[13:18] <rana_ans> most of them are GNOME settings that I dont think I should uncheck
[13:18] <rana_ans> I unchecked ukuu notifications tho
[13:19] <rana_ans> gn
[13:48] <fletcher-san> ioria: Nothing useful starting with verbose logging from terminal, I'll try to reboot..
[13:57] <eraserpencil> would someone be kind enough to take a look at my dmesg and see if it's reporting unstable nvidia graphic card behavior.
[13:58] <eraserpencil> https://termbin.com/yq2s
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: wich ubuntu version and nvidia driver version are you on?
[13:59] <eraserpencil> 16.04 and driver version 384
[14:00] <eraserpencil> i have weird battery issues (sometimes i cant power on the laptop till i plug in the power cord) and sometimes i cant boot with a "low graphic settings detected" warning before shutting down
[14:00] <phr34k> i'm looking for gl3.h but cannot find it, what do i need to install to get it.
[14:01] <sandman13> hi, I have a stack trace of kernel crash but how can I debug what caused the issue?
[14:12] <eugenio> hi all, some days ago I upgraded the system to 19.10. Unfortunately an app I'm used to use crash when I try to load a file into the application. All the windows close brutally. Any idea?
[14:13] <ikonia> eugenio: what is the application and where does it come from ?
[14:14] <eugenio> ikonia, the application is QGIS, I compiled it from source. Everything seems to work, only when I open the dialog to load a file the ubuntu window system crashes.
[14:14] <ikonia> the ubuntu windows system crashes or the application crashes
[14:14] <enriooooooo> thank you guys
[14:14] <eugenio> ikonia, both of them
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 now done the reverse
 things are working fine
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[14:14] <ikonia> eugenio: can't be both of them
[14:14] <mgedmin> eugenio: did you recompile it after upgrading the OS?
[14:14] <ikonia> eugenio: are you able to use the Xwindows system at all - or does the whole thing crash
[14:15] <eugenio> mgedmin, yes of course, even now
[14:15] <eugenio> ikonia, only the open windows crash
[14:15] <ikonia> eugenio: right, so the x-windows session doens't crash, just the application window
[14:15] <eugenio> not all the xwindow system, sorry
[14:16] <ikonia> eugenio: can you debug the process as you start it, run it in debug mode
[14:16] <ikonia> eugenio: does the syslog or the application log show any info
[14:16] <eugenio> ikonia, but not only the QGIS window, all the other open windows
[14:16] <ikonia> 14:15 < eugenio> ikonia, only the open windows crash
[14:16] <ikonia> 14:16 < eugenio> ikonia, but not only the QGIS window, all the other open windows
[14:16] <ikonia> which is it ?
[14:17] <eugenio> ikonia, I can't find the app log, I read the syslog but I don't understand much
[14:17] <ikonia> eugenio: why are you compiling it ?
[14:18] <ikonia> eugenio: it's build and packaged by the vendor
[14:18] <eugenio> ikonia, just to have the most updated version
[14:18] <ikonia> why
[14:18] <ikonia> so looking at this a.) it's in the ubuntu repos b.) it's also build and shipped by the vendor
[14:19] <ikonia> yet you are chosing to use c.) build your own - when you don't really know how to do so
[14:19] <Phruis`> i want to delete lines of text starting with a phrase and ending with a ;
[14:19] <Phruis`> how can i do that?
[14:19] <Phruis`> from multiple files
[14:19] <Phruis`> is the some grep command?
[14:19] <ikonia> Phruis`: sed with the delete function
[14:20] <eugenio> ikonia, a) it's in the ubuntu repos but too old, b) doesn't exist, only ppa versions, c) I did it since long time with not too much problems
[14:20] <eugenio> ikonia, so what could you suggest me?
[14:21] <ikonia> eugenio: why is it too old in th ubuntu version, b.) does exist, the PPA is owned and managed by the vendor
[14:22] <ikonia> for example https://qgis.org/ubuntu/
[14:22] <Phruis`> ikonia, ok thanks
[14:23] <eugenio> ikonia, a) because the version is 3.4 and now we are at 3.10; b) right, but doesn't work fine with 19.10 and I knew that it is not recommended to use PPA versions; c) it always worked before for me...easily
[14:23] <ikonia> eugenio: what's the problem with 3.4
[14:24] <eugenio> ikonia, too old, less functionalities
[14:24] <ikonia> eugenio: what functionality is missing from 3.4 that you need
[14:24] <ikonia> eugenio: as reading the documentation on the website 3.4 is recommendend as the official long term support and stable release
[14:25] <ikonia> (by the vendor)
[14:26] <eugenio> ikonia, thera are many
[14:26] <ikonia> change log doesn't show much
[14:27] <ikonia> you have your options though, a.) use supported version b.) learn how to build and debug software
[14:29] <eugenio> ikonia, thanks
[14:40] <Phruis`> Anyone know why this isn't working?
[14:40] <Phruis`> find . -name "*" -type f | xargs sed -i -e "/SET @@GLOBAL.GTID_PURGED=\*;'/d"
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis`: I'm not overly familiar with sed... if * is a wild card, are you supposed to escape it?
[14:56] <Phruis`> pragmaticenigma, yeah
[14:56] <Phruis`> but its odd all the examples show using sed with an s/ command but when i try to use it I get an unknown command
[14:57] <mgedmin> -name "*" looks very strange to me, do you want files literally named '*'?
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: it doesn't serve any purpose... -type f already returns all files... not sure what purpose the -name "*" has, as it just gets everything anyways
[14:59] <Phruis`> its returning the files properly
[14:59] <Phruis`> but the sed command isn't deleting the text
[15:00] <Phruis`> i can see it going through every file with this
[15:00] <mgedmin> not enough backslashes?  bash sees "...\*..." and passes ...*... to sed, sed sees * and thinks you mean "zero or more = signs followed by ;"
[15:00] <Phruis`> find . -name "*" -type f | xargs sed -i.bak -e "s/SET @@GLOBAL.GTID_PURGED=.*;/d"
[15:00] <mgedmin> I tend to prefer regex quoting with [*] instead of \*, to avoid this kind of problem
[15:01] <Phruis`> i can try that
[15:02] <Phruis`> no luck
[15:03] <Phruis`> i want to look through all text starting with "SET @@GLOBAL.GTID_PURGED=" and it ends with ";"
[15:03] <Phruis`> i want to delete it and everything in between
[15:03] <Phruis`> but all the examples I have seen even basic ones do no work
[15:03] <Phruis`> i must be doing something wrong
[15:04] <benjaoming> Does anyone know about this process and what it's doing? "/usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown --wait-for-signal"
[15:06] <revolt112> the unattended-updates-shutdown script temporarily inhibits a shutdown signal until apt finishes
[15:06] <bynarie> maybe python3 was upgrading and waiting for a shutdown/reboot?
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> benjaoming: It's a regularly schedule job that pulls down the latest packages for apt and applies patches to installed packages that do not require user involvement
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> benjaoming: Also known as "Unattended Updates"
[15:09] <k_sze> ugh. Trying to install Ubuntu on a Dell Inspiron is such a hassle.
[15:09] <k_sze> The UEFI boot entry that the installer makes is just wrong.
[15:10] <tomreyn> benjaoming: i suspect you have set the unattended-upgrades option to install pending upgrades on reboot, and this process will trigger this installation once it detects a shutdown signal.
[15:10] <k_sze> I try to add back the correct UEFI boot entry in the BIOS, but I have no idea which is which (because the file system lists are just UUIDs)
[15:12] <tomreyn> benjaoming: i.e. Unattended-Upgrade::InstallOnShutdown "true";  in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[15:12] <benjaoming> thanks a million tomreyn - seems that I have some kind of unwanted thing going on in an Ansible role!
[15:13] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[15:14] <bynarie> k_sze, you probably have to add the EFI to your "allowed" boot images in BIOS. And you want to select shimx64.efi for boot image
[15:48] <benjaoming> tomreyn: strange, I had a look and the line to do unattended upgrades was commented out, as in: //Unattended-Upgrade::InstallOnShutdown "true" -- does this denote that the default value is True? I tried setting it to "false" and running "systemctl restart unattended-upgrades.service" -- but a new similar process is spawned.
[15:50] <benjaoming> I had a look, and it seems that "/usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown" is a script that is supposed to halt a shutdown in case an unattended upgrade is taking place.
[15:51] <unixbassen> the ultimate linux portable laptop is a Dell XPS, Surface or a ThinkPad?
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> unixbassen: we dont really take polls here
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> unixbassen: the focus lays on the support of ubuntu issues
[15:52] <unixbassen> roger
[15:53] <tomreyn> benjaoming: i guess you must be right, i also see this proces son systems which are not configured to install updates on shutdown (and 'false' is default for sure)
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> unixbassen: ##linux or ##hardware perhaps?
[15:53] <akk> unixbassen: Watch out with the Dell XPS -- googling dell xps 13 linux wifi convinced me to get something else.
[15:53] <ajkessel> I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 19.10 and haven't been able to use the local X server via a remote ssh connection. "who" shows a local user logged in via gdm3/gdm-x-session on tty :0. I connect via ssh as that user, export DISPLAY=:0, but any X application gives error "No protocol specified / unable to open display :0." xhost + also gives the same error. I tried adding DisallowTCP=false to gdm3/custom.conf, but it doesn't change anything. Any suggest
[15:53] <ioria> benjaoming, if you have automatic updates enabled, i advice to leave it alone
[15:53] <unixbassen> akk: even the ubuntu born dell xps models?
[15:55] <akk> unixbassen: I would hope the more expensive ones that come with Linux don't have that problem.
[15:55] <unixbassen> right
[15:55] <akk> Though it kind of bothers me to pay a big premium to get the free OS option.
[15:56] <unixbassen> was just curious, because of your statement about wifi not working, but that must be the xps with windows
[15:56] <tomreyn> ajkessel: i guess you'd need to both X forwarding on the ssh server and to enable it on the client's ssh connection
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> akk unixbassen please seek a more right channel for this discussion
[15:57] <ajkessel> tomreyn: Do I need X forwarding when I'm trying to display the X window on the local host, not the host I am connecting from? I thought forwarding was only for the latter.
[15:57] <ramsub07> Hi. I started matlab from commandline but I used ctrl+z to kill it. The process now has an ever increasing PID and I am unable to kill it. Can someone here please help me out
[15:57] <akk> Sorry, didn't realize it was offtopic here. unixbassen, ##linux might be a better place.
[15:57] <unixbassen> yeah ok :)
[15:58] <ajkessel> tomreyn: to be clear, I have no problem connecting to this remote system  and displaying X applications on the system I am connecting from. But I want the X applications to open locally on the remote system.
[15:58] <tomreyn> ajkessel: you need X forwarding to show the graphical output of an application running remotely on the X server local to the ssh client
[15:59] <ajkessel> tomreyn: I want the graphical output to open on the remote system, not my local system.
[15:59] <tomreyn> ajkessel: oh, i got you wrong there then. i haven't done it this way around, not sure then.
[16:08] <ramsub07> Hi, how do i kill a process with ever incrementing PID?
[16:14] <kdmiller45> I have 1 public IP and have two different webserver one is a apache up and working fine, I have a 2nd server running nginx how do I confgure that
[16:15] <akk> ramsub07: If the PID is changing, you're getting new processes started, so it depends on what's starting it.
[16:16] <kxsl> does anyone know how to use mono? when i try to run an application with it, it tells me presentationframework version 4 is missing. on windows, that means .NET 4 support is missing. is there another package besides mono-runtime that needs to be installed?
[16:16] <lordcirth_> kdmiller45, what do you want it to do?
[16:16] <kdmiller45> I am host multiple website on the apache all working fine, but the install of diaspora also installed nginx for its applicatin
[16:17] <lordcirth_> kxsl, if you install "mono-complete" you should have everything
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> kdmiller45: does the nginx instance require public access from the Internet?
[16:17] <kdmiller45> yes
[16:17] <kdmiller45> it is a decentralized social nework server
[16:17] <lordcirth_> kdmiller45, ok, so you probably want to set nginx to listen on, say, 127.0.1.42, and configure apache to forward to it.
[16:18] <lordcirth_> Ie, a new vhost that just proxies
[16:19] <kdmiller45> is there instruction docuement to follow on that
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> kdmiller45: Best option is what lordcirth_ recomends, which I believe is also known as a reverse proxy
[16:19] <lordcirth_> kdmiller45, search for "apache reverse proxy"
[16:19] <kdmiller45> thanks was just going to say that, thanks again for the help
[16:20] <lordcirth_> you're welcome
[16:20] <ajkessel> ps aux|grep session
[16:20] <ajkessel> oops
[16:42] <ajkessel> Trying to post my question to Ubuntu Forums and I always get 'You don't have permission to access /newthread.php on this server.'. Is there any workaround? I'm properly logged in.
[16:46] <EriC^^> where are you getting that error?
[16:46] <EriC^^> browser?
[16:46] <ioria> ajkessel, no idea, maybe character limit or orthographic issue
[16:47] <ioria> ajkessel, can you pastebinit the full text ?
[16:48] <kxsl> lordcirth_, mono-complete doesn't make a difference. removed that
[16:48] <lordcirth_> kxsl, what mono version do you have? Perhaps you need newer
[16:50] <kxsl> whatever is in ubuntu 1804. was .net4 support added that recently in mono that a newer version will make a difference?
[16:51] <kdmiller45> ok next question, if I host multiple domain email box do I need to put those domain names in the ubuntu hostname file
[16:52] <ajkessel> This is what I'm trying to post to Ubuntu Forum https://pastebin.com/raw/c7Q3zD4E
[16:52] <lordcirth_> kxsl, I'm not sure, but 18.04 has 4.6, and the latest is 6.4. Sounds like a big jump
[16:53] <ajkessel> ioria: is that what you meant by pastebinit?
[16:53] <ioria> ajkessel, yep
[16:54] <ioria> ajkessel, try to remove the TAGS
[16:54] <ajkessel> ioria: that worked. I guess it didn't like my tags.
[16:54] <ioria> heheheh
[16:54] <ajkessel> ioria: the tags I was trying to use were 'gdm, ssh, remote access, xorg'
[16:55] <ioria> ajkessel, i see
[17:27] <Hulio> hi guys, anyone know how to install amdgpu-pro ? i install and it can't detect that i have it
[17:27] <Hulio> i have RX Vega
[17:28] <Hulio> i have ubuntu 16.04
[17:28] <Hulio> this is very frustrated
[17:28] <Hulio> if anyone willingly to help, please let me know. i have Teamviewer
[17:30] <Menzador|Work> !amdgpu | Hulio
[17:30] <Menzador|Work> Why do you need -pro?
[17:32] <ncuxo> Hello I've messed up while using rsync in ubuntu 19.10 and I've sync my files to my /media directory is it safe to delete the whole content of the /media directory ?
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> ncuxo: Only you can answer that question. If it was me... I would verify that those files are in their proper homes before I delete what might be the only copy
[17:37] <ncuxo> they are
[17:37] <ncuxo> I've just deleted everything
[17:37] <ncuxo> I was just wondering if that could cause some trouble for the os
[17:38] <ncuxo> after all I haven't delete anything that deep and wanted to make sure :D
[17:38] <mikubuntu> i picked up a 320 gb iomega drive at a garage sale, and i believe it was full of data in msdos format from what i could surmise from viewing partition in gparted -- anyways, whatever was on it (i hope not a gazzillion $$$ in bitcoin) i think i successfuly deleted, but now i need to reformat (and mount?) the drive to use for backing up my ubuntu files. i don't know how to do that. lol.
[17:39] <ncuxo> mikubuntu: use gparted :)
[17:39] <ncuxo> or dd
[17:40] <mikubuntu> also, i assumed this drive was SSD but i don't actually see "SSD" anywhere on the packaging, and it sort of buzzes in my hand
[17:41] <mikubuntu> ncuxo: yeah i know i have to use gparted, but i don't know what settings or partitions to make
[17:41] <ncuxo> if it buzzes it should be a mechanical ;)
[17:41] <ncuxo> ext4
[17:41] <mikubuntu> ncuxo: so not fat32?
[17:42] <ncuxo> are you planning on using it on other systems
[17:42] <mikubuntu> ncuxo: what about the space preceeding the partition?
[17:42] <ncuxo> if you are going to use it for backup of your ubuntu no need for fat
[17:43] <ncuxo> my backup drive uses the whole disk and its the only partition
[17:43] <ncuxo> not sure if that is the proper way but this is how I've done it
[17:43] <mikubuntu> ncuxo: what about exporting files or data would that be a problem if i was exporting to other system?
[17:44] <ncuxo> Yes it wont be compatable with other systems
[17:45] <ncuxo> mikubuntu: https://www.wikihow.com/Format-a-Hard-Drive-Using-Ubuntu try this guide
[17:45] <ncuxo> on the gparted part at point 9 they talk about the partition format
[18:17] <Hulio> is anyone willing to help me out?
[18:18] <Hulio> when i do claymore, this is what it said: AMD OpenCL platform not found
[18:18] <Hulio> why is it so complicated just to get amd graphic card to work ?
[18:19] <Hulio> the driver i got from this: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-prorad-lin-18-20
[18:20] <lordcirth_> Hulio, you generally don't want to use drivers directly from the manufacturer. Did you try Ubuntu's driver tool first?
[18:20] <Hulio> i dont know how
[18:20] <Hulio> what are you talking about?
[18:20] <Hulio> where can i get it from ubuntu ?
[18:22] <lordcirth_> Hulio, you run "ubuntu-drivers devices", and if your card shows up properly, "sudo ubuntu-drivers install"
[18:23] <Hulio> what is this: modalias : pci:v000014E4d0000432Bsv00001028sd0000000Dbc02sc80i00
[18:23] <Hulio> the rest is obvous, not video card
[18:25] <lordcirth_> Hulio, don't worry about that, look at "model"
[18:25] <Hulio> i see nothing about GPU
[18:25] <lordcirth_> Also, what Ubuntu version are you using?
[18:25] <Hulio> 16
[18:25] <Hulio> how to check?
[18:25] <Hulio> i'm very noob in this
[18:26] <Hulio> 16.04 LTS
[18:26] <Hulio> i saw it from about
[18:26] <lordcirth_> Hulio, please paste the output of "ubuntu-drivers devices" at bpaste.net
[18:26] <lordcirth_> And post the link here.
[18:26] <Hulio> ok
[18:27] <Hulio> i wish you can Teamviewer to my mahcine
[18:27] <Hulio> machine*
[18:29] <Hulio> here is the link: https://bpaste.net/show/6NSZ6
[18:31] <Hulio> did you see the link yet ?
[18:32] <Hulio> are you still there ?
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio: It helps to prefix your messages with the individual that was helping you... in most IRC clients you can type the first few letters and press tab to auto complete
[18:33] <Hulio> pragmaticenigma, i got disconnected , forgot his user name
[18:33] <Hulio> :)
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio: lordcirth_ was trying to help oyu
[18:34] <Hulio> lordcirth_, are you still there ?
[18:34] <Hulio> my firefox keep on crashing after amd install thing
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio: I would start with removing the AMD driver you installed
[18:36] <Hulio> how ?
[18:36] <Hulio> i was installing the amdgpu pro
[18:36] <ioria> amdgpu-pro-uninstall
[18:37] <Hulio> ioria, that's done now
[18:38] <Hulio> ioria, no more crash
[18:38] <Hulio> but then, how to get my rx vega 56 to work?
[18:38] <ioria> Hulio, lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D' | termbin.com 9999
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio: Now try the "ubuntu-drivers devices" and see if your card is listed
[18:39] <Hulio> termbin.com: command not found
[18:39] <ioria> Hulio, lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D' | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:39] <Hulio> https://termbin.com/d1vn
[18:40] <Hulio> ioria, there is the link, what's next ?
[18:40] <ioria> Hulio, dpkg -l | grep amdgpu  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:41] <Hulio> https://termbin.com/hm9t
[18:41] <Hulio> Iolo, man, for me to know what your'e doing....good luck to me
[18:41] <Hulio> :)
[18:42] <ioria> Hulio, ok, what's the problem exactly ? idk this claymore thing
[18:43] <Hulio> basically , claymore miner need OpenCL
[18:43] <Hulio> it need AMD driver installed
[18:43] <ioria> ah
[18:43] <Hulio> in windows 10, it is so simple
[18:44] <Hulio> install the driver and run:)
[18:44] <ioria> Hulio, what's your kernel  uname -r
[18:44] <hatchetjack> anyone use keepalived?
[18:44] <Hulio> ioria v
[18:44] <Hulio> ioria 4.15.0-66-generic
[18:44] <ioria> Hulio,  cat /etc/issue
[18:45] <Hulio> Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS \n \l
[18:46] <ioria> Hulio,  yes, you probably need amdgpu-pro
[18:46] <Hulio> yeah, i install but not working
[18:46] <Hulio> the miner didn't see
[18:46] <Hulio> let me give you my Teamviewer id and pass
[18:46] <Hulio> in PM
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | Hulio
[18:47] <ioria> Hulio,  run the installer in this way './amdgpu-pro-install -y --opencl=legacy'
[18:47] <Hulio> i did that before
[18:47] <Hulio> but i do that again
[18:48] <ioria> Hulio,  no, please no TV
[18:48] <Hulio> ok, i'l be right back
[18:48] <Hulio> thanks for you help
[18:49] <Hulio> ioria , thanks, boss is coming
[18:49] <hatchetjack> miner?
[18:49] <hatchetjack> we mining crypto or something?
[18:49] <Hulio> ioria, after install with that optino, still saying: No AMD OPENCL or NVIDIA CUDA GPUs found, exit
[18:50] <ioria> Hulio,  what version of driver are you installing ?
[18:54] <doug16k> I saw the same thing happening on a friend's machine. clinfo was reporting nothing with amdpro driver install
[18:54] <doug16k> on my nvidia drivers clinfo shows a ton of info
[19:03] <Hulio> ioria, got it from here: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-prorad-lin-18-20
[19:04] <Hulio> ioria, amdgpu-pro-18.20-684755-ubuntu-16.04
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio: You may find better help getting with your setup by seeking a forum/online community for claymore ... There is a better chance of finding someone with a similar setup to yours that can help you along
[19:07] <Hulio> man, seem like this is complicated then
[19:08] <johnjay> question. how do i change launch parameters for programs in the ubuntu bar to the left?
[19:08] <johnjay> the Details option simply goes to software center.
[19:10] <doug16k> Hulio, what does this command say: clinfo
[19:10] <doug16k> (you might need to sudo apt install clinfo)
[19:11] <Hulio> Number of platforms                               0
[19:13] <Hulio> looks like i'm about to give this up
[19:13] <Hulio> this couldn't be complicated
[19:14] <doug16k> Hulio, have you looked at this: https://community.amd.com/thread/225712
[19:14] <doug16k> seems to fit your scenario
[19:15] <doug16k> tl;dr: try installing the amd drivers with --opencl=rocm
[19:15] <Hulio> doug16k, browser keep on crash: Gah. Your tab just crashed.
[19:15] <Hulio> maybe I need to uninstall amdgpu again
[19:15] <doug16k> sounds plausible
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio: Are you rebooting between driver installs and uninstalls?
[19:16] <Hulio> no
[19:16] <Hulio> have not reboot
[19:16] <coz_> ^^^^
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio: drivers can't load if you don't reboot
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> that's why things are crashing... half your system is still using the currently loaded display driver, the other half is trying to make use of the newly installed... it's going to cause you to have a very bad time
[20:01] <Iarla> I'm looking for libcurl, but C only, not C++. Is libcurl3 the right one to install?
[20:04] <ioria> Iarla, maybe some details on what you want to do, and what does it mean 'but C only, not C++' ?
[20:07] <Iarla> I'm creating a C program (not a C++ / object oriented one). I need to include libcurl but the only one I've found in the repositories is for c++ (libcurlpp-dev). My application will use curl to retrieve resources over http.
[20:07] <Iarla> ioria: ^
[20:08] <EriC^^> Iarla: i think it's libcurl3 for just c support
[20:09] <Iarla> Thanks EriC^^ !
[20:10] <coreyman> I'm trying to use ifupdown2 on Ubuntu 19.10. I've created my /etc/network/interfaces file and executed `ifdown ens3` and `ifup ens3` Everything works, except I have an old ip address listed as the primary, not the one in my /etc/network/interfaces file. How do I configure ubuntu 19.10 to only use ifupdown2 ?
[20:10] <ioria> Iarla, if you install librul3 it will remove libcurl4
[20:10] <lordcirth_> coreyman, why are you using ifupdown? It's been deprecated since 18.04
[20:11] <coreyman> lordcirth_ because I want to :P
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> coreyman: Those commands have all been superseeded by systemd and Network Manager / netplan
[20:11] <ioria> Iarla, what release is in use there ?
[20:11] <Iarla> ioria: there doesn't seem to be a curl3-dev candidate for 16.04. Only 4 is available. I'm getting the error "curl.h: No such file or dir" against that though.
[20:11] <coreyman> pragmaticenigma yes I know, and I want to configure network manager / netplan to let me use ifupdown
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> coreyman: They aren't compatible from what I know
[20:11] <ioria> Iarla, are you on xenial 16.04 ?
[20:12] <coreyman> pragmaticenigma i dont want them to be compatible. I just want to use ifupdown2
[20:12] <Iarla> ioria: yes, 16.04
[20:12] <Ben64> coreyman: ip link set <interface> up
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> coreyman: It's an option you are free to pursue, you might have better luck asking in ##networking
[20:13] <coreyman> Ben64 ifupdown is working, but something is sticking the address I chose upon install as the primary and my /etc/network/interfaces ip address as the secondary
[20:13] <ioria> Iarla,  dpkg -l | grep curl | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:13] <Ben64> coreyman: use the right command
[20:14] <hatchetjack> so I've uninstalled netplan and migrated back to ifupdown
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> coreyman: is systemd-networkd enabled and running?
[20:14] <hatchetjack> however the stuff in /etc/resolv.conf seems to still be under the control of maybe systemd
[20:15] <hatchetjack> how can I completely move back to ifupdown and not have any netplan or systemd-network?
[20:15] <Ben64> hatchetjack: good luck with that, it's not supported here
[20:15] <coreyman> @hatchetjack welcome to the club
[20:15] <ikonia> hatchetjack: it's not something you want to do
[20:15] <hatchetjack> Ben64: well supported or not for keepalived to work properly it's a must
[20:16] <coreyman> It is something we want to do... lol
[20:16] <ikonia> hatchetjack: as much as you dislike systemd - you need to accept it, netplan however, it's up to you if you want, just keep in mind each release keeps moving it to a more deprecated state
[20:16] <hatchetjack> it has nothing to do with a dislike or systemd
[20:16] <ioria> Iarla,  you probably need libcurl4-gnutls-dev, but please see the cmd i posted above
[20:16] <Iarla> ioria: thanks. https://termbin.com/dngw
[20:16] <ikonia> hatchetjack: what is it to do with then ?
[20:16] <hatchetjack> it has to do with keepalived working or not working
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu relies on systemd-networkd to provide networking service to the system. ALL of the applications and services that are also installed with Ubuntu are configured to operate with systemd-networkd... removing it breaks other applications and services. This is why it is not supported here
[20:16] <rafaeldtinoco> hatchetjack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keepalived/+bug/1815101
[20:16] <hatchetjack> and I'm not interested in what's supported or not
[20:16] <hatchetjack> need to think outside the box and fix it
[20:16] <rafaeldtinoco> is this related?
[20:16] <ikonia> hatchetjack: so keepalived is prety obsolete
[20:16] <akk> If you want to control your network manually, uninstalling network-manager is best, just disabling it usually doesn't work well.
[20:17] <hatchetjack> ikonia: obsolete by what?
[20:17] <akk> I did that for years on debian, but I have n-m on my current ubuntu system.
[20:17] <Iarla> ioria: tried libcurl4-gnutls-dev also. Same error though.
[20:17] <ioria> Iarla,  curl.h  is in libcurl4-gnutls-dev
[20:17] <ikonia> hatchetjack: sorry, that was not a great description, I mean it's not being kept up to date with a lot of the current distro roadmaps
[20:17] <Iarla> Hmmm. I'm including it using <...> rather than "...".
[20:17] <ikonia> hatchetjack: sorry, that was terrible, I was trying to not say "legacy" which isn't true either
[20:17] <ioria> Iarla,  ls /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/curl/curl.h
[20:18] <hatchetjack> ikonia: I think what you mean to say is that it has some bugs perhaps that keep it from playing nice with netplan?
[20:18] <hatchetjack> maybe something along those lines
[20:18] <ioria> Iarla,  . is for local angular is the correct way
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: The word I think you're looking for is superseeded
[20:18] <Iarla> ioria: "No such file or directory"
[20:18] <rafaeldtinoco> hatchetjack: check bug I pasted
[20:18] <ikonia> hatchetjack: no, it's not just netplan,
[20:18] <rafaeldtinoco> im putting a flag into systemd-networkd
[20:18] <rafaeldtinoco> to keep aliases for interfaces
[20:18] <rafaeldtinoco> and dont break interconnects
[20:18] <hatchetjack> which there are some features keepalived has but only in certain network environments
[20:18] <rafaeldtinoco> for all kinds of HA services
[20:18] <hatchetjack> like mutlicast and what not
[20:19] <ioria> Iarla,  is there : https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libcurl4-gnutls-dev/filelist
[20:19] <hatchetjack> rafaeldtinoco: ETA on the fix?
[20:19] <ioria> Iarla,  sudo apt install --reinstall libcurl4-gnutls-dev
[20:20] <Iarla> ioria: locate finds it at /usr/include/curl/curl.h
[20:20] <hatchetjack> need this pretty soon for production
[20:20] <hatchetjack> everything works fine now except dns
[20:20] <rafaeldtinoco> hatchetjack: what version are you relying on ?
[20:20] <ikonia> don't say 19.10
[20:21] <coreyman> Well I was trying to keep my ubuntu template installer in line with my debian one so that they both use ifupdown2..... If I have to make a completely seperate configuration manager for ubuntu how do I change this yaml file? Do I really have to go through all of this to customize ip configuration for netplan?
[20:21] <coreyman> https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/ubuntu-how-tos/netplan-how-to-configure-static-ip-address-in-ubuntu-18-04-using-netplan.html
[20:21] <ioria> Iarla,  ok, so it should work
[20:21] <hatchetjack> guess if systemd wants to handle that maybe I can configure it to pop the address into /etc/resolve.conf instead of /etc/network/interfaces
[20:21] <hatchetjack> rafaeldtinoco: whatever is in 19.10
[20:21] <hatchetjack> I mean
[20:21] <rafaeldtinoco> well if that is your issue, likely unrelated to what im fixing
[20:21] <hatchetjack> yeah 19.10
[20:21] <hatchetjack> latest version
[20:21] <ikonia> 19.10 is pretty much the most integrated into netplan and systemd possible
[20:22] <ikonia> and also has a short lifespan
[20:22] <hatchetjack> it also has haproxy 2.x
[20:22] <ikonia> don't depend on that for production (in my personal view)
[20:22] <hatchetjack> and is the only one that does
[20:22] <Iarla> ioria: my file has only includes for now. #include <stdio.h> (new line) #include <curl.h> (new line) int main(void){}. And I compile with gcc -o myapp myapp.c
[20:22] <coreyman> Anyone have a good document with examples for configuring static ip with netplan ?
[20:23] <ioria> Iarla,  add -lcurl
[20:23] <hatchetjack> what would you guys do if you wanted ubuntu with haproxy 2.x and keepalived?
[20:23] <lordcirth_> hatchetjack, why do you need HAProxy 2.0+
[20:23] <lordcirth_> ?*
[20:23] <ikonia> hatchetjack: I wouldn't depend on a "broken" interaction
[20:24] <ikonia> hatchetjack: I know that's not the answer you want, but if you're not sure if it will work, depending on it for prod seems a bad model
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> coreyman: https://netplan.io/examples
[20:24] <ioria> Iarla,  gcc -o myapp myapp.c  -lcurl
[20:24] <Ben64> hatchetjack: i'd think about what i actually need to accomplish and find a tool that would help accomplish that goal
[20:24] <coreyman> Thanks pragmaticenigma
[20:25] <hatchetjack> so basically you guys have no solutions or fixes to any problems
[20:25] <hatchetjack> you just tell people they aren't doing it right
[20:25] <Ben64> hatchetjack: if they aren't doing it right, yes
[20:25] <hatchetjack> right but when I ask how you would do it I get nothing
[20:25] <ikonia> hatchetjack: well, lets look at some options
[20:25] <ikonia> hatchetjack: what's the use case you've got to meet
[20:25] <Ben64> you got two responses
[20:26] <Ben64> three actually
[20:26] <hatchetjack> want ubuntu with haproxy 2.x
[20:26] <hatchetjack> those are the main requirements
[20:26] <ikonia> hatchetjack: ok - what's the requirement for haproxy2
[20:26] <ikonia> hatchetjack: that can't be the main requirement as you also need keepalived
[20:26] <hatchetjack> we'd like to use some features that are only availabe in the new version
[20:26] <ikonia> so what's the actual real requirement
[20:26] <ikonia> hatchetjack: such as ?
[20:26] <ikonia> (just one or two examples as that shows what other options are available)
[20:26] <lordcirth_> hatchetjack, do you need those features right now? And what features?
[20:27] <hatchetjack> does it matter what features?
[20:27] <ikonia> sure, if we are trying to meet the use case
[20:27] <PeGaSuS> hi guys. I'm having a weird issue: Failed to reload daemon: Refusing to reload, not enough space available on /run/systemd. Currently, 10.3M are free, but a safety buffer of 16.0M is enforced.
[20:27] <hatchetjack> ubuntu + keepalived playing nice with whatever network subsystem + haproxy 2.x
[20:27] <hatchetjack> that's it
[20:27] <PeGaSuS> any hints how to solve this?
[20:27] <ikonia> hatchetjack: yeah, that's not the requirement
[20:27] <ikonia> hatchetjack: that's you just stating software components
[20:27] <hatchetjack> if you can't help me then I'll figure it out on my own and stop wasting my time here
[20:28] <hatchetjack> I don't see how telling you what features we'd like to use is relevant
[20:28] <ikonia> hatchetjack: ok, you asked for options, so I just wanted to know the use case, but you're welcome to progress on your own
[20:28] <ikonia> good look
[20:28] <ikonia> luck even
[20:28] <Iarla> ioria: got it. My include should have had the directory prepended: #include <curl/curl.h>
[20:28] <hatchetjack> as if I need to justify what I'm doing to you or something like that
[20:28] <ioria> Iarla,  ok
[20:28] <Iarla> ioria: sorry for the wild goose chase. Haven't coded C since the late 90's :)
[20:28] <ikonia> you don't need to justify anything, just looking for the usecase as you asked for options
[20:29] <ikonia> if you work out how to do it, maybe helpful to post in that bug report, as it's seems quite a tricky one
[20:29] <hatchetjack> I've already got it working
[20:29] <ikonia> super
[20:29] <ikonia> nice job
[20:29] <ikonia> how did you do it ?
[20:29] <hatchetjack> I installed ifupdown and purged netplan.io
[20:29] <ikonia> hatchetjack: you're aware that ifupdown is going away though right ?
[20:30] <hatchetjack> I merely want /etc/resolv.conf to stay put and not be changed by systemd
[20:30] <hatchetjack> ikonia: yes eventually
[20:30] <rafaeldtinoco> stop systemd-networkd and install resolvconf
[20:30] <hatchetjack> basically what you're saying is that keepalived doesn't work on ubuntu kthx bye
[20:30] <ikonia> hatchetjack: super, so as long as you're aware that you'll need to deal with this at some point,
[20:30] <hatchetjack> right?
[20:30] <ikonia> hatchetjack: no-one is saying that at all
[20:30] <hatchetjack> rafaeldtinoco: I failed to mention that I did install resolveconf
[20:31] <hatchetjack> had not stopped systemd-networkd though
[20:31] <rafaeldtinoco> ok.. so there are several options
[20:31] <rafaeldtinoco> for what you're trying to do
[20:31] <rafaeldtinoco> using ifupdown + resolvconf is one
[20:32] <hatchetjack> rafaeldtinoco: testing that now with systemd-networkd disabled
[20:32] <rafaeldtinoco> that will work, ikonia is trying to say that
[20:32] <rafaeldtinoco> possibly next version wont have ifupdown
[20:32] <rafaeldtinoco> thus having it working with systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved would be good
[20:32] <rafaeldtinoco> for that to happen, that bug I pointed out has to be solved to eoan (your version)
[20:32] <rafaeldtinoco> it will be soon
[20:32] <rafaeldtinoco> thats it, for now, keep using ifupdown
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> as your interfaces wont be restarted
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> and keepalived wont brake
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> after that bug is solved you may try systemd-networkd/netplan approach
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> thats it
[20:33] <hatchetjack> I'd like to migrate back to netplan/systemd at some point
[20:33] <hatchetjack> after the bugs are sorted
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> as soon as that bug is solved
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> then netplan will put a flag in .network files (for systemd-networkd)
[20:33] <rafaeldtinoco> keepconfiguration=
[20:34] <rafaeldtinoco> and that will tell networkd not to restart aliases
[20:34] <rafaeldtinoco> created by external HA tools
[20:34] <rafaeldtinoco> like pacemaker/keepalived/CTDB etc
[20:34] <rafaeldtinoco> for now, if you restart systemd-networkd (or simply apply netplan conf) you will brake all aliases
[20:34] <rafaeldtinoco> and, your case, the VRRP interfaces
[20:34] <rafaeldtinoco> making the HA software to believe there was an issue
[20:35] <rafaeldtinoco> TL;DR -> sign to the bug, wait it to be solved
[20:35] <rafaeldtinoco> use ifupdown / resolvconf meanwhile
[20:35] <hatchetjack> right
[20:35] <hatchetjack> and no failover occurs
[20:35] <rafaeldtinoco> failover is good with ifupdown (or at least should be)
[20:35] <hatchetjack> it is
[20:35] <hatchetjack> already tested that
[20:35] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[20:35] <rafaeldtinoco> alright, so thats it
[20:35] <rafaeldtinoco> follow that bug then
[20:35] <hatchetjack> rafaeldtinoco: excellent
[20:36] <rafaeldtinoco> ;)
[20:36] <hatchetjack> what you suggested is what I needed to complete this solution
[20:36] <hatchetjack> I'm documenting everything so when the bug is fixed I can get back to netplan
[20:36] <hatchetjack> appreciate your insight
[20:36] <rafaeldtinoco> sure, im gonna document HA for 20.04
[20:36] <rafaeldtinoco> including that corner case
[20:36] <rafaeldtinoco> giving examples etc
[20:36] <rafaeldtinoco> thats one of my todos
[20:36] <hatchetjack> very good
[20:36] <rafaeldtinoco> lets see if time is nice to me
[20:37] <rafaeldtinoco> =)
[20:38] <hatchetjack> I look forward to the bug being resolved
[20:38] <hatchetjack> thanks again
[20:38] <rafaeldtinoco> my pleasure
[20:39] <Hulio> ioria, i finally solved it
[20:40] <Hulio> install amdgpu-pro will headless
[20:40] <Hulio> damn it, I just can't believe no one able to resolve this, even i google up via online
[20:40] <Hulio> seem like it is too complicated for a single option in the install line
[20:40] <Hulio> it is working flawlessly now :)
[20:43] <ioria> Hulio, --headless option is used when the machine is running without any desktop environment
[20:43] <Hulio> oh
[20:43] <ioria> Hulio, neither x11 or wayland
[20:43] <Hulio> well, don't know why it works now
[20:44] <tomreyn> Hulio: amdgpu drivers suually work out of the box on ubuntu (there can be exceptions for specific older hardware models and very new hardware, as well as some APUs on older kernel versions). we don't recommend or support amdgpu-*pro* here
[20:44] <ioria> Hulio, and the exact cmd you used for that ?
[20:44] <Hulio> amdgpu-pro-install --opencl=legacy,pal --headless
[20:44] <Hulio> after  that, reboot, works
[20:44] <Hulio> claymore works :)
[20:44] <ioria> Hulio, but if you have Vega 10 is not legacy ...
[20:45] <Hulio> oh, but it works
[20:45] <Hulio> should i update to 18.04 ?
[20:45] <Hulio> not sure if that is going to break anything
[20:45] <Hulio> and how can i upgrade via Terminal ?
[20:45] <Hulio> anyone ?
[20:45] <ioria> Hulio, is --opencl=pal
[20:46] <Hulio> ioria, how to upgrade to 18.04 ?
[20:46] <ioria> Hulio, but is ok
[20:46] <Hulio> via commandline
[20:47] <ioria> Hulio, better a fresh install
[20:47] <Hulio> i see
[20:47] <Hulio> well, it is working as is...better not to bother doing it
[20:47] <Hulio> well, thanks all your works
[20:48] <Hulio> my window rig keep craash once a while
[20:48] <Hulio> I hope linux doesn't need to reboot
[20:54] <Hulio> can ubuntu run of USB stick ?
[20:55] <Hulio> let say i install ubuntu to usb stick will it run as the SSD
[20:55] <Hulio> even it is speed is slower, that's fine, as long it can run
[20:55] <Hulio> I'll have to try to install ubuntu to USB stick
[20:55] <Hulio> maybe need a bit faster usb speed
[20:56] <ash_worksi> Hulio: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[20:57] <Hulio> ash_worksi, lol, sorry you miss my point
[20:57] <Ben64> Hulio: yes it'll work, it'll be very slow
[20:58] <Hulio> slow is okay :)
[20:58] <Hulio> I use it for mining
[20:58] <Ben64> and depending on the drive, it might die soon
[20:58] <Hulio> and test out comparing with windows 10, to see how stable it is
[21:09] <Hulio> i remember ubuntu have compiz
[21:09] <Hulio> that got removed ?
[21:11] <Hulio> Will Microsoft ever release Office for Linux?Short Answer: No, Microsoft will never release Office suite for Linux. Long Answer: I believe Linux distributions are in a frenzy, there is no direction, there's no market force to call the shots.Aug 2, 2018
[21:14] <tomreyn> Hulio: there's #ubuntu-discuss for on-topic discussions and #ubuntu-offtopic. *this* channel is just for support.
[21:15] <Aavar> Hi. I am having issues with lightdm. It wont start for some reason... I did try to purge lightdm*, but after installing lightdm again it wont even start properly... any idea? I can start other DMs
[21:17] <genii> !info compiz
[21:26] <roothorick> okay, I have two systems running 18.04 (server, but that shouldn't matter, right?) that, when shutting down, instead of doing the local ACPI turnoff, I want to send a request over the network to the UPS, to turn off the outlet group the system is connected to. This is done via a proprietary SNMP endpoint
[21:27] <roothorick> The two systems are on different outlet groups on the same UPS (which is why it must be done over the network), and the UPS is smart enough to turn them back on after power returns
[21:28] <roothorick> I recall seeing a config option to leave network interfaces enabled, but then how do I make systemd issue the SNMP commands at the end of the shutdown sequence?
[22:07] <Phruis> what library does files use to connect to sftp ?
[22:07] <Phruis> i think i am missing it
[22:28] <danilom> hi, want to know if someone tell me how to check what driver is using my graphics card, radeon hd 7850, im using ubuntu 18.04, also try with lspci, but cant remember now how to do it, anyone send me a clue? thanks
[22:28] <johnjay> lsmod?
[22:29] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:29] <danilom> ok let me try,, if i can see the module of the graphics card
[22:29] <tomreyn> it'll be amdgpu probably
[22:30] <Bashing-om> danilom: A couple of ways: - sudo lshw -C display ; lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' - .
[22:31] <johnjay> why is it a "VGA Controller"? isn't everything hdmi
[22:31] <danilom> ok thanks, i can see Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu
[22:31] <danilom> thanks all
[22:32] <danilom> so im using the opensource that comes with default installation
[22:32] <tomreyn> one of the two, yes
[22:33] <danilom> Im very surprised to find a lot of people here, last time i used IRC i think was 8 years ago, im very happy to see old way still live, thanks guys
[22:34] <tomreyn> most aren't as active ;)
[22:36] <Sbur3> Is there a way to send text messages to a cell phone (Verizon, for example) through the internet and not from my cell phone in Europe?
[22:37] <Sbur3> Where it would display on the Verizon cell phone in the USA?
[22:38] <dax> Sbur3: not really on-topic for #ubuntu, but: putting the 10-digit number and then @vtext.com (e.g. 5551234567@vtext.com) used to work, no idea if it still does
[22:38] <bprompt> Sbur3:  last I checked, www.vtext.com works
[22:39] <bprompt> Sbur3:  bearing in mind that we're offtopic :)
[22:39] <dax> Sbur3: i.e., in the To: part of an email, with the body text under 140 chars)
[22:40] <Sbur3> dax: bprompt: s many channels, but I didn't know where to ask.  What to put in the subject ... if anything?
[22:40] <dax> i'd just leave it blank
[22:41] <Sbur3> dax: Ok.  I saw it as an option, but it didn't seem to work
[22:41] <bprompt> Sbur3:  check dax's line above, but usually is the phone number, no dashes, @someprovider, all provider or most have some SMS server that can take it from an email send
[22:41] <Sbur3> dax: bprompt: I'm going off topic and quitting this channel. Thx
[22:42] <bprompt> k
[22:42] <Sbur3> bprompt: But last question. That e-mail gets it to the cell phone and puts it in messages?
[22:42] <Sbur3> Whatever
[22:43] <Sbur3> bye
[22:43] <bprompt> Sbur3:  yes
[22:43] <Sbur3> bprompt: thx
[23:32] <AdictNet> xchat or hexchat?
[23:32] <dax> !xchat
[23:32] <dax> (use hexchat)
[23:33] <AdictNet> thanks
[23:33] <AdictNet> brb
[23:42] <AdictNet> hi again
[23:44] <AdictNet> i cant uninstall xchat
[23:44] <AdictNet> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6nSt3KbKxV/