[05:47] <jibel> morning all
[06:33] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel
[06:35] <jibel> Hi marcustomlinson
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[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:15] <jibel> salut didrocks
[07:22] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va ?
[07:25] <jibel> didrocks, ça va et toi?
[07:25] <didrocks> ça va :)
[07:42] <marcustomlinson> morning didrocks
[07:44] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:44] <didrocks> didn't feel too lonely yesterday? :)
[07:45] <marcustomlinson> Haha was quiet. I don’t mind it ;)
[07:47] <didrocks> ;)
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[09:14] <tkamppeter> I posted here about keyboard problems, I think last Wednesday, a Lenovo technician came and fixed it, is all OK now and not a Ubuntu (desktop) bug.
[09:22] <marcustomlinson> tkamppeter: good to know :)
[10:28] <dupondje> Are there plans to upgrade network-manager to 1.20.6 ?
[10:28] <dupondje> On Eoan
[10:54] <marcustomlinson> tkamppeter: ^?
[11:26] <tkamppeter> dupondje, no, there was no talk about this and also Eoan is not an LTS, so the work of such an high-impact change is not worthwile and the time until it is tested and regressions are fixed can be too long for the 9-month live time.
[11:50] <dupondje> tkamppeter: ok np :) Just wanted it to have it working fine with iwd 1.0. But I'll build my own then :)
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[16:44] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[16:45] <marcustomlinson> something is up with the clipboard in ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1852183
[16:45] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1852183 in mutter (Ubuntu) "copy/paste (clipboard) is broken in Ubuntu 19.10" [Undecided,New]
[16:47] <marcustomlinson> it's not a wayland thing, I see this on X
[16:47] <Trevinho> marcustomlinson: mh, weird, I can have a look though
[16:47] <Trevinho> marcustomlinson: have you seen if there's something gnome issues upstream?
[16:48] <marcustomlinson> thanks Trevinho, I've done a bunch of googling there was one bug somewhere about performance but not this
[16:48] <Trevinho> marcustomlinson: is there an easy reproducer?
[16:48] <marcustomlinson> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/824
[16:48] <gitbot> GNOME issue 824 in mutter "Clipboard issue with virt-manager/spice-gtk" [Opened]
[16:49] <Trevinho> as reading the bug I dind't encounter a clear way
[16:49] <marcustomlinson> Trevinho: if you watch my screencasts you'll see it's pretty easy to produce
[16:49] <marcustomlinson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1852183/comments/2
[16:49] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1852183 in mutter (Ubuntu) "copy/paste (clipboard) is broken in Ubuntu 19.10" [Undecided,New]
[16:50] <Trevinho> carlos mentioned a change in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/824 that is just wayland only though
[16:50] <gitbot> GNOME issue 824 in mutter "Clipboard issue with virt-manager/spice-gtk" [Opened]
[16:50] <marcustomlinson> right, but that bug doesn't really sound related
[16:51] <Trevinho> in arch they say it just works when disabling the clipboard manager, so indeed related (see https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/63881#comment182271)
[17:14] <seb128> marcustomlinson, you should report it on gitlab, the clipboard management was moved out of gnome-settings-daemon this cycle so it's possible the new implementation has issues
[17:18] <marcustomlinson> seb128: though it looks like we’re on the same version of mutter as Debian (unstable) and it’s not broken there
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[17:28] <Smaug> hey all -- I'm on 16.04.  a python pip package I want to install requires CMake 3.6, while 16.04 only has 3.5.    So I am considering purging cmake and building it from source (either 3.6 or a more recent version).  What I want to know is, could having a later version of cmake cause problems with installing other programs in the future that except no later than 3.5?
[17:29] <Smaug> *expect
[17:31] <davidkrauser> Smaug: if you're worried about that, you can install CMake somewhere outside the system PATH (like $HOME/.local/bin for example)
[17:45] <ogra> Smaug, sudo snap install cmake --classic
[17:46] <ogra> (brings you 3.15.x ...)
[17:50] <seb128> marcustomlinson, you are sure it's not broken there? also Debian defaults to wayland
[17:54] <marcustomlinson> seb128: if you see my Debian sceencast in the last comment, can't reproduce the issue
[17:55] <marcustomlinson> regardless of whether I'm on wayland or x11 (I didn't make that clear)
[17:55] <marcustomlinson> seb128: oh damn, wait you're right
[17:55] <marcustomlinson> I didn't switch to X properly...
[17:56] <marcustomlinson> The same issue can be seen on X in Debian, sorry, I will report this upstream
[17:57] <seb128> thx
[17:59] <marcustomlinson> thank you
[18:14] <Smaug> davidkrauser: ogra: thanks for the suggestions will look into! :)
[18:14] <Smaug> davidkrauser: but another question I have is -- *should* i be worried about it?
[18:14] <Smaug> i don't know enough about package installation to say
[18:15] <Smaug> assuming that in general I am using apt-get for things
[18:21] <marcustomlinson> alright, I'm out. Have good evening everyone
[18:24] <davidkrauser> Smaug: that's a hard question to answer. Really just brings to mind more questions: what changed between CMake 3.5 and 3.6? Were any of those breaking changes? Were there any bugs introduced in 3.6 that weren't in 3.5?
[18:24] <davidkrauser> We can also ask ourselves questions like: What will go wrong if there is an incompatibility with 3.6 and some other package? And how can we fix it?
[18:24] <davidkrauser> These sorts of questions are asked whenever a package is updated in an Ubuntu  stable release: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:25] <Smaug> davidkrauser: thanks
[18:25] <davidkrauser> Smaug, I think in your case, you may be fine. But every setup is different, and I haven't looked at all into what changed
[18:25] <Smaug> i appreciate it!
[18:25] <davidkrauser> but worst case scenario, you can always remove the new version of CMake and go back to the old
[18:32] <Smaug> ogra: how do I make ubuntu use the snap installed cmake?  doing `cmake --version` on command line after installation shows old snap.  specifically, how would I make a pip-installer use it?
[18:34] <davidkrauser> Smaug is this the first snap you've installed?
[18:35] <davidkrauser> may need to log out/log in if so
[18:35] <Smaug> on this computer?  not sure
[18:35] <Smaug> seems so
[18:35] <Smaug> really?
[18:36] <JanC> marcustomlinson: does it happen with all types of text or only with special text like e.g. file paths & URLs & such?
[18:43] <davidkrauser> Smaug: actually, do you still have the old cmake installed? If you look at `echo $PATH` you'll see that `/snap/bin` is at the end of the list. If the `cmake` command shows up earlier in a folder in that list, it will use that version
[18:45] <davidkrauser> Smaug: you can temporarily get around that in your terminal by setting your PATH to something like `export PATH=/snap/bin:$PATH`. Then if you run `cmake --version` you should see the right version
[18:45] <Smaug> ah thank you!
[18:45] <Smaug> that is perfect
[18:46] <Smaug> so now I can have both cmakes but use the appropriate version by changing PATH
[18:56] <marcustomlinson> JanC: see my screencasts on the Ubuntu bug. Was just plain text
[18:57] <marcustomlinson> Easy to reproduce
[19:37] <Trevinho> marcustomlinson: mh, not sure I can't reproduce it... -_-
[19:37] <Trevinho> just copy and paste a cell works fine here
[19:37] <Trevinho> using the archive version though
[19:42] <Laney> this is the clipboard bug that I was aware of, happens if you're running VMs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1755038
[19:42] <ubot5> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1755038 in spice-vdagent "VM clipboard integration wipes clipboard contents randomly and frequently (X11 host)" [Unspecified,Assigned]
[20:54] <marcustomlinson> Trevinho, just reproduced it on native Eoan, no vm
[20:55] <marcustomlinson> Just keep copy and pasting over and over
[21:02] <marcustomlinson> It can happen on the 3rd time, it can happen on the 30th time.