[00:13] <BlueProtoman> My installation of Ubuntu 19.10 won't boot; it's indefinitely stuck on the loading screen before login.  My Windows partition boots just fine.  This is my dmesg https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2hcXP2QYBm/ Any tips?
[00:15] <peeonyou> i keep getting an error about being temporarily unable to lookup archive.ubuntu.com on a preseed installation
[00:36] <AdictNet> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2370M CPU @ 2.40GHz (798MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.6 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 25.2 GB / 321.0 GB (295.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime: 8m 44s
[00:42] <STMelon> AdictNet, https://snapcraft.io/install/hexchat/ubuntu (hexchat 2.14.2)
[00:43] <dax> the one out of the ubuntu repositories is fine, it gets security backports and such
[00:44] <oerheks> same package, just a different number due to patches indeed https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/hexchat
[00:45] <STMelon> sorry i posted ...
[00:45] <oerheks> np, it was not a bad advise, backported patches and nis cofusing
[00:46] <STMelon> i just wish freebsd supported my wifi card
[00:46] <oerheks> c/ backported patches and numbering is confusing
[00:47] <STMelon> not any linux version has support for the realtek 8821ce driver as of yet. it works but always d/c's on my lappy
[00:47] <STMelon> realtek beeing stingy, wont give linux support until 2020ish
[00:48] <STMelon> being*
[00:50] <oerheks> whole page about that 8821ce card .. https://askubuntu.com/a/1067788
[00:51] <STMelon> yea thats what i used, but it keeps dcing on my lappy. not to worried about it. my server strill runs fine
[00:51] <oerheks> just disable secureboot, if exists on that machine
[00:51] <STMelon> it is lol and using legacy bios
[02:17] <jadax> my default ubuntu .bashrc resolves PS1 to the actual directory that I cd. Now, I would like to PS1 to show me the symlink path instead of the actual path. Do you think it can be done?
[02:17] <IkoIKo> Bash.org Getting a random quote from bash.org, Please wait..
[02:17] <IkoIKo> Bash.org Socket in use, Please wait..
[02:17] <IkoIKo> Bash.org - #408 Quote: <EviL_Dr_BounCe> Heh ya moms got one tooth in her mouth and she snaps holes into doughnuts for a living....
[02:18] <dax> IkoIKo: we don't allow talking scripts in #ubuntu, so please turn that one off. thanks!
[02:23] <k_sze> Why would we want a small swap relative to the RAM? (In fact, a swap that is much smaller than RAM)
[02:23] <k_sze> That doesn't allow hibernation be default.
[02:31] <oerheks> k_sze, correct, and ubuntu gives a swapfile standard.
[02:32] <oerheks> not all machines with mostly wireless adapters do have issues comming out of sleep, not to mention uefi
[02:32] <k_sze> oh
[02:33] <k_sze> so that's why we forget about hibernation and just go with deep sleep?
[02:34] <oerheks> some fixes that by unloading the wifi module prior to hybernat
[02:34] <oerheks> still a lot of work to do
[02:34] <oerheks> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2392205
[02:35] <k_sze> ouch
[02:45] <JanC> I wonder why UEFI doesn't implement hibernate...
[02:45] <pragmaticenigma> UEFI has nothing to do with hibernate
[02:45] <JanC> but it could
[02:46] <pragmaticenigma> JanC, For discussion or chat like this, please bring it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:47] <JanC> more like some developer channel really  ;)
[02:48] <LanDi> can someone help me with mysql? https://hastebin.com/kewovamoze.rb
[02:50] <k_sze> JanC: I think the problem with that approach is that UEFI would need to be OS-aware, and maintain separate hibernation spaces for each OS on the computer, in the case of multi-boot.
[02:50] <pragmaticenigma> LanDi, Thsi channel only supports Ubuntu... for your platform, please seek support through their official channels
[02:51] <JanC> k_sze: not really, as it would only need to revive the OS that was running before it hibernated
[02:51] <akk> If I try using ubuntu-bug on 19.10 to report a bug on X, it hangs forever on "collecting problem information".
[02:52] <akk> Is there another way to report a bug? Should I see if it'll let me report an "other" type on ubuntu-bug itself?
[02:52] <akk> (for "forever" read "I waited about 5 minutes then gave up")
[02:53] <Bashing-om> !bug | akk
[02:53] <JanC> akk: interestingly, I've seen the same complaint from someone else
[02:53] <k_sze> JanC, if I boot Ubuntu and then hibernate, and then boot Windows and then hibernate, I want to be able to resume Ubuntu. That's why any hibernation implementation in UEFI would need to be OS-aware and maintain separate hibernation spaces.
[02:54] <JanC> k_sze: the point is that it would always restart the hibernated OS, so you wouldn't be able to boot anything else...
[02:55] <dax> akk: the "Filing bugs manually at Launchpad.net" section of the ReportingBugs page ubottu mentioned above has an escape hatch to get around having to use ubuntu-bug
[02:55] <k_sze> JanC, I wouldn't want an implementation like that. :D
[02:55] <dax> akk: downside is you'll need to figure out the right package and will probably get asked for ubuntu-bug output anyway, so might be worth poking at it a bit first
[02:56] <pragmaticenigma> k_sze, JanC - Please take the systems archetecture discussion to another place
[02:56] <akk> That's fine, I was going to report against xorg, and I can attach whatever info anyone asks for (in the unlikely event anyone actually reads the bug and requests more info).
[02:57] <dax> akk: *nod*
[02:57] <Mr_Cyclops> Please suggest which is the one I shall pick amongst EXT4 and BTRFS for a new drive to be used primary for backups
[02:57] <Mr_Cyclops> thanks
[02:57] <JanC> there seems to be bug in how apport collects info to report...
[02:57] <dax> Mr_Cyclops: i go with ext4 unless there's a specific reason not to.
[02:57] <akk> I have the xorg logs from two times this has happened -- coming out of suspend, screen stays dark, and if I try to ctrl-alt-Fanything, "EnterVT failed for screen 0" and X crashes.
[03:04] <akk> is lspci -vvn a reasonable thing to run to report my hardware for X bugs? I found an old bug where they requested that.
[03:09] <Mr_Cyclops> dax, got it ... thank you
[03:14] <akk> woo, it eventually woke up and is trying to report, though firefox complains about an XSS request
[03:19] <NetAdicto> !chrome
[03:21] <pragmaticenigma> NetAdicto: is there something we can help you with?
[03:22] <NetAdicto> chrome or mozilla?
[03:24] <pragmaticenigma> NetAdicto: If you're interested in opinions of what people prefer, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic. Ubuntu by default comes packaged with Firefox which is open source. Google's Chrome browser is closed source and only available directly through Google's website (Chrome is also not supported in this channel.) As an alternative, you can install chromium, which is available in the software center.
[03:25] <NetAdicto> oh ok thanks
[03:29] <k_sze> This Dell Inspiron 14 5000 laptop has a weird built-in 32 GB NVMe of some kind (in addition to the removable M.2 SSD) and it's just a PITA to properly setup dual boot with Windows 10 and Ubuntu.
[04:11] <Gallomimia> so uh, what's the latest on nvidia drivers for ubuntu?
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Gallomimia
[04:17] <Gallomimia> actually the article i'm reading now shows PPAs are not needed in 19.10 ?
[04:17] <Gallomimia> i have yet to attempt an update
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> Gallomimia: lets find out, wich card do you have with wich driver?
[04:18] <Gallomimia> i have a 780Ti with 430.50
[04:18] <Gallomimia> on 19.04
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> Gallomimia: there are later drivers then 430, but maybe for your card 430 would fit best?
[04:19] <Gallomimia> kinda hoping that 440 comes out soon. the patch notes there show some regressions in 435
[04:19] <Gallomimia> and possibly some fixes for the vulkan game i'm running in proton
[04:19] <Gallomimia> (space engineers, FYI)
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> Gallomimia: 440 is on the graphics ppa
[04:20] <Gallomimia> oh? i just tried installing nvidia-440 and didn't get anything
[04:21] <Gallomimia> it's nvidia-driver-440 ?
[04:21] <Gallomimia> okay... this could be good!
[04:21] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list #gives you your options
[04:22] <oerheks> i would go wild with: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[04:22] <Gallomimia> seems i goobered my /boot and my /boot/efi partitions. put one in the space for the other. can't even install 2 different kernels
[04:22] <Gallomimia> so i got some fixin' to do first
[04:23] <oerheks> start fresh, GPT
[04:23] <Gallomimia> nah there's a 4 tb raid living on the drive
[04:25] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: Nvidia recommends the 440 version driver: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/153226/en-us .
[04:26] <Gallomimia> i quite like what i see in the patch notes yes
[04:26] <Gallomimia> i might have some very careful dd'ing to do first
[04:27] <Gallomimia> the aforementioned boot and efi partitions are the only part of my system no encrypted
[04:51] <codi> alternative to adobe audition?
[06:17] <mutablegemini> Testing...
[06:22] <mutablegemini> I am having volume troubles.
[06:50] <AlexPortable> Using the command `hxselect` to get an HTML tag, what is the best way to get the second html tag (there are two with the same name, I want the one thats the second search, but somehow it only returns the first one always). Also not really sure which channel to ask for this.
[07:31] <afx_> Hello evryone !Is there an easy way to connect to a windows domain (Active Directory)?
[07:35] <oerheks> afx_, yes, the wiki? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/sssd-ad.html or tons of howtos >> http://www.securityflux.com/?p=262 >> https://angrysysadmins.tech/index.php/2018/11/bailey/add-ubuntu-windows-domain/
[07:38] <afx_> oerheks, thank you ! was looking more of a GUI application where it asks me the username password and the domain to join :D
[08:03] <ramsub07> Hello! Not sure if this is the right place about docker questions. I have a container that I would like to run, which is ubuntu. I would like to have a directory from my local system accessible from the container. How do I go about?
[08:04] <ramsub07> (I don't want to copy it, but somewhat link it such that the changes made from within the container reflects where the directory is present locally)
[08:07] <geirha> docker run -v "$PWD/thedir:/data" -it ubuntu
[08:07] <mgedmin> it's probably not the right place for docker questions, but docker run -v /directory/in/host:/dir/in/container ...
[08:08] <geirha> note that it must be an absolute path
[08:12] <Ruler-> To find more about that is to search "bind mount" from docker documentation.
[08:38] <tatertots> afx_: beyond trust has a GUI utility for joining but it's no longer supported on current ubuntu distros
[08:58] <ramsub07> Hello, apt-get update works perfectly fine within my new docker image. However, apt-get install <package_name> cannot locate the respective packages. I guess i'm missing some link on where to install packages from, but how do I fix this ?
[08:59] <tomreyn> ramsub07: did you    apt(-get) update     beforehand?
[08:59] <EriC^^> ramsub07: it might be you need to add a different repository, which package are you trying to install?
[09:05] <AlexPortable> How do I export the webpage with `lynx -dump`, but without parsing the urls?
[09:06] <tomreyn> modify the lynx source code accordingly and rebuild it.
[09:22] <AlexPortable> not really a suitable solution since that would mean i have to provide and keep updating the software on every system
[09:30] <ramsub07> tomreyn: yes apparently apt-get update fixed it. Don't understand why, maybe it sets the headers appropriately ? (sorry about the late response)
[09:31] <mgedmin> ramsub07: docker images tend to come with an empty /var/cache/apt/lists/ for two reasons (smaller size, it'd be outdated anyway), so apt-get fails to find anything until you run an apt-get update
[09:32] <mgedmin> it's a bit annoying that apt-get doesn't run apt-get update automatically in this situation (unlike, say, yum/dnf)
[09:32] <ramsub07> mgedmin: ah, alright
[09:33] <ramsub07> mgedmin: i am running a container, whose image has been pulled from docker hub. However, I would like to make some custom changes to the docker file, (like adding a few lines of pip install <packages>) How do I go about?
[09:34] <ramsub07> In otherwords something like commands to be executed at the startup of the container
[09:35] <enriooooooo> hi my usb is not shown in fdisk -l
[09:41] <tomreyn> enriooooooo: does it show in journalctl -f  / dmesg -w  though, when you plug it in?
[09:41] <tomreyn> and is an sd* device name assigned to it?
[09:41] <pressure679> Someone writes on askubuntu.com that he has booted Ubuntu without and cpu drivers.  - https://askubuntu.com/questions/844680/disable-hyperthreading-p-state-and-c-state-drivers-and-cpu-frequency-scaling
[09:44] <tomreyn> ramsub07: unless you're using the images provided by canonical (and possibly even then) we don't really do support for ubuntu 'based' docker containers here, since they are almost always customized making them derivatives, which are sufficiently different that it's no longer possible to support them.
[09:44] <tomreyn> pressure679: did oyu have a support question there?
[10:00] <ramsub07> tomreyn: any other channels where I could ask these questions at ?
[10:01] <tomreyn> ramsub07: the support channels provided by the entity providing these docker images, i'd say.
[10:05] <ramsub07> or, would it be possible that I clone a Dockerfile, edit it myself adding required instructions and build an image myself ?
[10:05] <ramsub07> ( I am new to docker and maybe this is not the relevant place to ask these questions, apologies for that)
[10:06] <Habbie> ramsub07, yes, that is possible, and #docker would be a good place to get help with that
[10:07] <ramsub07> Habbie: thanks
[10:12] <lenny_lemon> how can I free space on sda1?
[10:13] <lenny_lemon> have moved some stuff from home to other partition but sda1 is 100% used
[10:15] <lenny_lemon> autoclean and clean get me to 98%
[10:15] <lenny_lemon> how can I find out what don't have to be there and can be moved?
[10:17] <lenny_lemon> is it 20GB enough space for /sda1 ?
[10:19] <lenny_lemon> running update && upgrade will push to 99% again
[10:19] <geirha> lenny_lemon: sudo du -haxd1 . | sort -h   is a nice way to see which directories/files in the current directory use the most space
[10:20] <mgedmin> lenny_lemon: ncdu is a nice tool for seeing what takes up most disk space (or baobab if you prefer GUI)
[10:20] <elh> hi. I have a problem with the connectivity of my mouse. Full description here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2429346
[10:21] <ramsub07> hello, i've two GCC running. the command gcc links to gcc 5.4. However, I installed gcc 7 by apt-get install gcc-7. This means, I could run gcc-7 only by executing `gcc-7` and not `gcc`. how can i fix it? I tried update-alternatives --config gcc and it gives me an errror, `update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gcc`
[10:23] <lenny_lemon> it takes some time isn't it geirha ?
[10:24] <lenny_lemon> have run that command
[10:24] <geirha> yes, it has to recurse through the entire filesystem and print out all the results before the sort can sort it
[10:24] <geirha> so you won't get any output until it's done
[10:26] <geirha> subsequent runs should be faster though as it can use cache
[10:27] <lenny_lemon> geirha, I got output...
[10:27] <lenny_lemon> but what exactly is sda1?
[10:27] <mgedmin> ncdu has a progress bar
[10:27] <lenny_lemon> because I can see with df -h that has 18G of 20G used... and downloads has 18G on its own
[10:28] <geirha> a device node in /dev/ representing the first partition of the "first" disk
[10:28] <mgedmin> df should tell you where /dev/sda1 is mounted (I'm going to guess /)
[10:28] <geirha> cd into downloads and run it again then
[10:31] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, I tried to install it but had lock /var... I tried sudo killall apt apt-get but update result in UEFI secure boot configuration...
[10:32] <lenny_lemon> geirha, is it Downloads part of sda1?
[10:33] <geirha> lenny_lemon: I have no idea what you use sda1 for. You haven't told us.
[10:34] <lenny_lemon> geirha, how can I find out?
[10:34] <mgedmin> df
[10:35] <mgedmin> there's a column for device that will show /dev/sda1, and there's a column for mountpoint that will show what it's used for
[10:37] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mvxykKqNp6/
[10:38] <mgedmin> sda1 is used for /
[10:39] <lenny_lemon> what does it mean?
[10:40] <mgedmin> all of the system files are stored on that partition
[10:40] <mgedmin> I see /home is on a separate partition
[10:40] <lenny_lemon> so is kind of "system" partition right?
[10:41] <lenny_lemon> so how can I decide what is safe to move from sda1?
[10:41] <mgedmin> yes
[10:43] <lenny_lemon> is 20G enough space for sda1 as / ?
[10:45] <minty-man> Hi all i am wanting to find the ppa for libarchive so i can install 3.4.0
[10:45] <minty-man> is this available
[10:46] <KOLANICH> Hi. Why don't mandatory write locks work
[10:46] <KOLANICH> I have remounted the filesystems with -o mand
[10:46] <KOLANICH> but I still can write into a locked file
[10:47] <geirha> why do you need it? why not use advisory locks?
[10:48] <KOLANICH> geirha: I wanna protect some files from unauthorized malicious modification
[10:48] <KOLANICH> geirha: I mean som temporary files
[10:48] <KOLANICH> *some
[10:48] <tarzeau> KOLANICH: why not just use unix file permissions?
[10:48] <KOLANICH> tarzeau: can I be sure that no malware is run from the same user?
[10:50] <tarzeau> KOLANICH: do you trust the user?
[10:52] <KOLANICH> tarzeau: yes and no. yes because the user is software run in a docker container. no because there are too much software installed into it, I cannot check it all.
[10:53] <KOLANICH> tarzeau: the container built from a dockerfile provided by me.
[10:54] <tarzeau> make a backup of your data, then give it to your user...?
[10:59] <KOLANICH> tarzeau: no. race condition can be exploited. I use gpgme to add a public key into a gpg keyring file. I create a temp dir. I init gpgme context. Then I lock all the files in that dir created by gpgme. Then I make sure that the keyring is empty. Then I import the keys from an old and new gpg files there. Then I sha256 that keyring. Then I print the sum on a screen assumming stdout is untampered. Then I can unlock the file and be sure that if anytâ
[10:59] <KOLANICH> …hing added there a key it would be detected.
[10:59] <tarzeau> sorry can't help, consult a doctor against your fear of paranoia. disconnect it from the internet before running, maybe that helps?
[11:00] <tarzeau> s,of,and,
[11:01] <furycd001> HI Guys.. I'm running xubuntu 18.04.3 which is fully up-to-date & following this tutorial  for installing and setting up kvm >> https://linuxconfig.org/install-and-set-up-kvm-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[11:01] <furycd001> I edit /etc/network/interfaces adding in my ethernet details, but whenever I reboot my system ethernet no longer works and I only have access to wifi.
[11:01] <KOLANICH> tarzeau: this won't help. Probably I shouldn't have used docker images from dockerhub.
[11:02] <furycd001> If I go back and edit /etc/network/interfaces changing my ethernet to anything (eth0 etc) other than my actual ethernet and then reboot again my ethernet works as normal again.
[11:02] <furycd001> Could someone please help me as I'm confused and don't know what to do. Thanks...
[11:02] <enrio> why we give uuid on /etc/fstab to auto mount drives?
[11:02] <enrio> cant we specify device files? like /dev/sda2 to mount?
[11:02] <enrio> but that didnt work
[11:03] <tarzeau> enrio: uuid don't change when you connect it to another bus/port/plug
[11:03] <tarzeau> enrio: device names, do change
[11:03] <tarzeau> enrio: using device names (if it's the right) one does work
[11:04] <enrio> didnt work for me
[11:04] <enrio> only uuid works
[11:04] <tarzeau> then you must have done something wrong
[11:04] <badv991> Exactly, uuids are unique and are the better option (until you format that drive)
[11:04] <tarzeau> you remove UUID=abcd and insert /dev/sda2 there?
[11:04] <furycd001> Here is a copy of my /etc/network/interfaces >> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bSv7WbzDXh/
[11:05] <tarzeau> badv991: i wouldn't weight it by better, but just different
[11:05] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, geirha is 20G enough space for / ?
[11:06] <tarzeau> lenny_lemon: should be fine, depends on how many packages (and how large ones) you plan to install
[11:06] <badv991> Fair enough, only really an issue if you move around the physical  drives a lot for whatever reason
[11:07] <tarzeau> i've got my / filled up with 35 GB of software, and an additional of 60 GB in /opt
[11:08] <im0nde> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu server LTS on a nvme drive, but it fails and I don't know what else to try. Installer starts file (uefi), I set up keyboard, network, username. On 18.04 It fails in the step of probing install devices with "error probing devices", not much info. On 19.10 it let's me select the drive and partition (tried manual and automatic) I get "curtin command install...
[11:08] <im0nde> configuring-disk disk-nvme0n1" and then it fails
[11:08] <lenny_lemon> tarzeau, 99% used... I think might be steam that consume a lots of space... wawww, so would you recommend to expand it?
[11:08] <tarzeau> lenny_lemon: can you run ncdu -x / ?
[11:09] <tarzeau> lenny_lemon: if you have the chance to, yes
[11:09] <tarzeau> if you have /boot in there, try create this file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress with this content COMPRESS=xz
[11:10] <tarzeau> remove older kernels, popcon-largest-unused might be helpful remove pkgs you don't need
[11:10] <mgedmin> lenny_lemon: normally I'd say 20G should be sufficient, but you managed to fill it up to 99% somehow
[11:10] <tarzeau> if you use btrfs, turn on compression
[11:10] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, I guess is steam
[11:10] <lenny_lemon> tarzeau, yes, have run it
[11:10] <mgedmin> steam should keep the downloaded files in /home/$USER/, which is on a separate partition
[11:11] <mgedmin> lenny_lemon: don't guess, check with ncdu/baobab/duc/$tool_of_choice
[11:12] <mgedmin> (of course if you can't install tools because apt fails due to disk space issues, that's another thing)
[11:12] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, i can install
[11:12] <lenny_lemon> at least I have installed ncdu
[11:12] <mgedmin> excellent, so what does it show as the largest directories in /?
[11:13] <mgedmin> I would recommend ncdu -x /
[11:13] <mgedmin> because you don't want it wasting time crawling /home, which is on another partition
[11:13] <lenny_lemon> 5.7G usr and 1.9G var
[11:13] <tarzeau> mgedmin: that's what i already suggested
[11:14] <im0nde> should I be asking in #ubuntu-server instead?
[11:14] <mgedmin> thart's 8G out of 20, what takes up the other 12G?
[11:14] <lenny_lemon> tarzeau, I have run it with pastebinit for you to see but its taking ages
[11:14] <tarzeau> im0nde: i remember we had similar problems
[11:14] <im0nde> tarzeau: I'm uploading a screenshot with the full log
[11:14] <tarzeau> im0nde: depends on bios and settings. i don't remember what we did to get it fixed
[11:14] <im0nde> gimme a minute
[11:15] <im0nde> (can only take fotos)
[11:15] <lenny_lemon> lib and boot has 1G combine... rest is just MB...
[11:15] <lenny_lemon> and not much
[11:16] <im0nde> tarzeau: This is the full error https://imgur.com/a/ijNDCDM
[11:16] <im0nde> tarzeau: i have set boot to "UEFI only"
[11:17] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, don't understand... it shows 8.6G used but df shows sda1 with 20G space and 99% used...
[11:18] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, that's nearly 60% somewhere or of something...
[11:20] <mgedmin> could be large deleted files that are still kept open by some program?
[11:21] <mgedmin> if so, the space will be freed as soon as that program exits
[11:21] <lenny_lemon> even after restart?
[11:21] <mgedmin> (if you don't know which program it is, a reboot is the fastest way of testing this theory)
[11:21] <mgedmin> if a reboot doesn't fix this, then, hmm
[11:21] <lenny_lemon> I just have restarted
[11:21] <mgedmin> maybe ncdu couldn't index some subdirectories if you didn't run it as root?
[11:24] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, running with sudo bottom line shows 17G used
[11:25] <lenny_lemon> mgedmin, but listing is the same
[11:42] <tarzeau> im0nde: looks like some python problem that doesn't find stuff
[11:47] <elh> Mouse starts freezing randomly. Full description here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2429346
[11:51] <DarkTrick> Hello
[11:52] <DarkTrick> The package-management in ubuntu works on a global namespace. That means that all programms that have been and will eventually be written, must never have the same name (if my understanding is correct)
[11:52] <DarkTrick> For me this sounds not ... very good.
[11:52] <DarkTrick> Has there never been any problem with this style?
[11:54] <mgedmin> yes -- node was taken by some hobbyist ham radio stuff and nodejs couldn't use it for a long time
[11:54] <mgedmin> also chromium was a game before it was a browser
[11:55] <mgedmin> when the programs are interchangeable (like different implementations of ctags), there's the alternatives mechanism to manage them
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:11] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, thank you for the references. I will check up on the "alternatives mechanism"
[12:13] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: it's inherited from Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives
[12:13] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello
[12:15] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[12:18] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, thank you for the link! Feeling like up-to-date now.
[12:19] <DarkTrick> So question: If there is this problem, why would Ubuntu keep this management style?
[12:21] <DarkTrick> My first idea would be something like windows (every program has it's own directory) and then maybe create  symlinks to them, to access them easier
[12:21] <DarkTrick> Is there kind of like *the* reason, why ubuntu (a) choose that style (b) keeps it ?
[12:34] <gurdamzn> Hello there
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> welcome gurdamzn
[12:37] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: I think this is a topic more suited for #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic; this channel is primarily for getting help with technical problems
[12:46] <furycd001> HI Guys.. I'm running xubuntu 18.04.3 which is fully up-to-date & following this tutorial  for installing and setting up kvm >> https://linuxconfig.org/install-and-set-up-kvm-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[12:46] <furycd001> I edit /etc/network/interfaces adding in my ethernet details, but whenever I reboot my system ethernet no longer works and I only have access to wifi. If I go back and edit /etc/network/interfaces changing my ethernet to anything (eth0 etc) other than my actual ethernet and then reboot again my ethernet works as normal again.
[12:46] <furycd001> Here is a copy of my /etc/network/interfaces >> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bSv7WbzDXh/
[12:46] <furycd001> Could someone please help me as I'm confused and don't know what to do. Thanks...
[12:53] <ioria> furycd001, you can easy read the comments down the page
[12:53] <furycd001> ??
[12:53] <ioria> furycd001, for some reason he thinks that the 18.04 system is set up for /e/n/i (and it's not)
[12:54] <furycd001> ahhh right ok gotcha
[12:54] <ioria> furycd001, scroll down the page you posted
[12:54] <furycd001> Looking now....
[12:55] <ioria> furycd001, check this : https://www.linuxtechi.com/install-configure-kvm-ubuntu-18-04-server/
[12:55] <furycd001> Thanks :) Looking at the link now....
[13:18] <zetheroo> would anyone know how to disable the 'Show Password' option in the Network Manager WiFi Security settings dialog?
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: an ssid with a password, will ask a password?
[13:20] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: wait, I'll make a screenshot of what I mean ...
[13:21] <ericus> my second monitor suddenly isnt detected, no signal it says
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: make sure to obscure any sensitive information, especially your network password
[13:21] <ericus> Ubuntu 19.04
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> ericus: Have you tried the monitor on another computer. Have you made sure the cables haven't come loose?
[13:21] <ericus> pragmaticenigma it works in Windows
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> ericus: What have you done so far to troubleshoot?
[13:22] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: https://ibb.co/Y7HryYy
[13:23] <zetheroo> pragmaticenigma: 👍
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: thats a baked in feature in ubuntu, why would you want to get rid of that?
[13:24] <ericus> pragmaticenigma basically not much
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: To my knowledge, that checkbox isn't "sticky" which means it resets when the dialog box closes, it should uncheck itself.
[13:25] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: we don't want users seeing the cert password
[13:25] <ericus> I cant drop to a terminal (ctrl alt f3), my main screen goes blank. DIsplay settings only shows one monitor
[13:25] <zetheroo> pragmaticenigma: yeah, but we don't want users having the possibility of ticking it in the first place
[13:26] <Voziv> Shouldn't the private key be specific to the user though? Isn't that the point? (I'm entirely unfamiliar with enterprise WPA, but private keys in general are meant to be private to the user using them)
[13:26] <unixbassen> any1 knows how to run snap inside lxc? Im getting an error saying that apparmor does not allow for snap to work inside the container
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: do you set users on the same machine of the admin?
[13:27] <zetheroo> Voziv: we don't want the users having the password because then they can install the cert on another device. Only hardware owned and managed by the company IT are allowed access to the wifi network (we have an additional guest wifi network with only Internet access which all hardware can connect to)
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: Are you sure that if you close the window... re-open it, and check the box the password is revealed?
[13:28] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: sorry I don't understand your question ...
[13:28] <zetheroo> pragmaticenigma: yes
[13:28] <zetheroo> ok I found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/744088/how-to-disable-show-password
[13:28] <zetheroo> maybe something to this approach
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: that looks pretty much like what you are looking for
[13:30] <zetheroo> hmm ... that's too aggressive. Users should be able to manage network connections ... just not this 'show password' option
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: are you setting up computers with ubuntu for your users only, or are they shared machines, with both admin and users?
[13:30] <zetheroo> actually, maybe there is a way to make this wifi connection read-only to them
[13:30] <Voziv> Assuming these are wireless devices, couldn't a user just get root and get access to the password anyways (If someone really wanted to install the cert elsewhere)
[13:31] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: they aren't shared PCs. They are single-user PCs.
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: but is the user the admin, or did you create a new user extra account with permissions?
[13:32] <zetheroo> Voziv: you may have a point. I may need to also block users from 'su root' or whatever
[13:32] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: the user accounts are Active Directory accounts ... authentication via PBIS ...
[13:32] <RadSurfer_> I'm having trouble with gcc, and it's a simple program!
[13:33] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: users are members of the 'sudoers' group
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> RadSurfer_: You might find better help with #gcc
[13:34] <RadSurfer_> but I only have this problem in Ubuntu...
[13:35] <RadSurfer_> It's claiming it can't find math library apparently
[13:35] <RadSurfer_> -lm is given, why should there be an issue?
[13:36] <Voziv> zetheroo: It should be pretty easy to get root access with a usb key. Not sure how disk encryption would affect that so maybe there's a solution there. Just noting in case this is critical for security vs "less work manging unauthorized wireless clients" type of thing
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> RadSurfer_: do you have it in the right place... after the primary source file being compiled?
[13:37] <RadSurfer_> Yes.
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> RadSurfer_: Then I would encourage you to head over to #gcc ... they're going to be more familiar with what might be happening
[13:40] <ioria> RadSurfer_, the full command you use ?
[13:42] <RadSurfer_> only error is it can't resolve math functions :: gcc main.c -o main -lm -L/home/.../UbProjs -lmylib  # its really libmylib.a
[13:42] <RadSurfer_> and yes, I have actual full path when I run that.
[13:43] <ioria> RadSurfer_, gcc  -o main   main.c    -L/home/.../UbProjs -lmylib  -lm
[13:44] <RadSurfer_> gosh darn it! That works; but under MSYS32 on windows, its only works if -lm is first! sheesh!
[13:44] <ioria> ok
[13:44] <RadSurfer_> Now we know!
[13:46] <RadSurfer_> so, MSYS behavior and actual gcc are distinctively different afterall
[13:59] <thnee> Is there any particular reason why nginx on 18.04 does not use systemd for logging? The default config still writes to files.
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> thnee: Might be a better question to ask in #ubuntu-dev or to ask of the nginx developers. I'm guessing that the application developers have to include libraries that would enable such a feature.
[14:05] <thnee> pragmaticenigma: Not really.. you just log to stdout and stderr
[14:12] <thnee> Looks like the nginx docker image symlinks the standard log file paths to /dev/stdout and /dev/stderr, that's pretty clever, I guess I might do the same https://github.com/nginxinc/docker-nginx/blob/fe97d699daae7e04f916771ac520f7cf25ab2b27/mainline/buster/Dockerfile#L95
[14:18] <Bodsda> Any admins of UbuntuMembers online?
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> Bodsda: can this help you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[14:20] <Bodsda> lotuspsychje: need someone who can readmit a donut who missed the expiration emails
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> Bodsda: At the bottom of the page lotuspsychje pointed out is an e-mail for conacting them. Sounds like the best option. While they "UbuntuMembers" individuals may be present here, discussion on memberships would be offtopic for this channel.
[14:33] <woenx> Hi. I would like to know how to install additional modules for KDE systemsettings for ubuntu 18.04 with Gnome. I am trying to configure the mouse scroll speed in Dolphin, but mouse settings are not there
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: I don't think you can get the settings module independent of the full KDE desktop
[14:49] <woenx> pragmaticenigma: oh :(
[14:50] <woenx> what a pity
[14:52] <poor_user> hi people! i have a window shared folder with anonymous access, but i no longer see on nautilis the option "anonymous login" so keeps asking me user and pass :(  do you have any idea?
[14:56] <indistylo> Not able to install ubuntu on thinkpad E490 laptop , also took help on ubuntu forums, but getting stucked at installation step, windows start after installation of ubuntu, not able to see grub bootloader l https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2430396
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> poor_user: Is the shared folder hosted on a windows machine?
[14:57] <poor_user> yes, i can access it from an android phone
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> poor_user: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4046019/guest-access-in-smb2-disabled-by-default-in-windows-10-and-windows-ser
[15:00] <poor_user> i perfecly understand security reasons
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> poor_user: The samba version 1 (cifs) protocol allowed for anonymous access... smb2 and later no longer allow access, unless you change the configuraiton files for samba clients in Ubuntu, they cannot access windows shares less than smb2
[15:01] <poor_user> but i can access that folder from any pc on the net, even android phone, there was an anonymnous login too on ubuntu right
[15:01] <poor_user> ?
[15:02] <poor_user> oh tnk
[15:05] <jackhum> i have 16.04, i found a bug that is associated with fontconfig and chrome which shoots cpu usage to 100% , during trying out solutions which are available on internet , i installed fontconfig2.13 which can be only installed on 18.04 and above versions. now my package system is broken . how to revert back
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> jackhum: How did you install it?
[15:06] <skr> probably the 18.04 deb package
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> skr: best not to assume
[15:06] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma, i installed it by downloading its deb from somewhere and then sudo dpkg -i fontconfig2.13*.deb
[15:07] <skr> haha
[15:07] <jackhum> i am on 16.04 , and this package was not available in my updates , so i installed it manually
[15:07] <skr> dpkg --purge fontconfig2.13*deb; apt install fontconfig
[15:07] <jackhum> now when i am trying to uninstall it , it is uninstalling more packages which are about 1.04 GB ., and i dunno if this packages is trying to uninstall itself and all other softwares which are using it
[15:08] <jackhum> now when i am trying to uninstall it , it is uninstalling more packages which are about 1.04 GB ., and i dunno if this packages is trying to uninstall itself and all other softwares which are using it
[15:08] <jackhum> skr, you mean , i will have to use that deb file too?
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[15:09] <skr> never use a package from another ubuntu version
[15:11] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma, skr , i did , dpkg --purge fontconfig2.13.deb , and now when i am doing apt-get install fontconfig . i am getting this long list of packages and some unmet dependencies error
[15:11] <poor_user> do you know any way to allow ubuntu to access this public folder? i cannot see any option on /etc/samba/smb.conf
[15:11] <jackhum> skr, true, i am too foolish to do that, wont repeat that again
[15:11] <jackhum> skr, but i was facing this bug of cpu usage and everyone is saying fontconfig is to be blamed
[15:12] <poor_user> maybe "Map to Guest = Bad User"
[15:12] <jackhum> skr, i am getting unmet dependencies error , when i am trying to install fontconfig
[15:13] <skr> paste to pastebin.com
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> poor_user: that is a samba server setting, not a client
[15:13] <poor_user> k
[15:14] <coz_> jackhum, out of curiosity, now that fontconfig is gone, how is cpu usage?
[15:15] <skr> We have around 1k stations running 16.04 and I've not seen any issues related to fontconfig
[15:18] <coz_> skr, I agree with you, but wanted to know if the cpu usage actually reduced as a result of removing fontconfig
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> skr: I have seen fontconfig issues come up when too many font libraries have been installed to the system. DOn't recall the exact number off the top of my head, but it was more than any one user would use or encounter in their lifetime
[15:19] <coz_> interesting , wonder what safe limit is before issues!
[15:19] <poor_user> executing smbclient -L IPofTarget it shows all folders :(
[15:20] <jackhum> skr, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SFKN2TTd9c/plain/
[15:21] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma, idk, this bug has been eating my cpu usage alive , its some firefox + electron related bug , i cant use vscode because of this
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> poor_user: I have since moved to password protecting all my Samba/Windows file shares. For those that I want easy access to, I setup entries in fstab to mount the file share with the credentials saved locally.
[15:22] <poor_user> i did it manually and looks to work
[15:23] <poor_user> user Anonymous pass xxxx
[15:23] <poor_user> xxx
[15:23] <skr> jackhum, apt install fontconfig fontconfig-config libfontconfig1 libfreetype6
[15:23] <poor_user> that's insane but it's ok :D
[15:23] <poor_user> tnk for your help!
[15:24] <poor_user> now nautilus prompt the anonymous access option
[15:24] <skr> jackhum, seems you still have some 18.04 package installed
[15:25] <jackhum> skr, yeah , but how to find that and fix ;/
[15:28] <ioria> jackhum, try   ' apt list --installed | grep bionic'
[15:29] <thnee> Hmm I tried replacing /var/log/nginx/error.log with a symlink to /dev/stderr but then nginx fails the config check when starting up: nginx: [alert] could not open error log file: open() "/var/log/nginx/error.log" failed (6: No such device or address)
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> thnee: This looks exactly like what you're attempting to do: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28394084/nginx-log-to-stderr
[15:37] <indistylo> Not able to install ubuntu on thinkpad E490 laptop , also took help on ubuntu forums, but getting stucked at installation step, windows start after installation of ubuntu, not able to see grub bootloader l https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2430396
[15:40] <Iarla> 19.10 doesn't seem to have a synergyc client (mouse/keyboard sharing). Is there a preferred way to install ?
[15:43] <thnee> pragmaticenigma: Not quite. "Unfortunately, access_log doesn't support stdout as its argument"
[15:47] <woenx> Iarla: maybe you can use an old version?
[15:47] <woenx> https://sourceforge.net/projects/synergy-stable-builds/
[15:47] <Iarla> woenx: thanks, that'll do the trick!
[15:52] <befree22> i need to create a bootable drive that can mount my root partition since bios cannot boot my nmve drive directly, how do i do this?
[15:54] <enrioog> how to extend music files , is there any tools in ubuntu?
[15:56] <akk> audacity is likely the best way, though depending on what you're trying to do, to what kinds of files, there might be other ways.
[15:56] <akk> enrioog ^
[15:56] <jackhum> ioria : thanks , skr was able to help me fix that
[15:56] <jackhum> special thanks to pragmaticenigma also
[16:04] <ioria> jackhum, glad to hear
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> thnee: It looks like access_log support syslog, which systemd parses and pulls in
[16:10] <Towser> Hi there, is there any widget writer software for Ubuntu?
[16:13] <akk> Widget writer?
[16:15] <Towser> Yes for symbols and words for accessibility
[16:17] <Antonyb> is there anyway of moving the side bar  to the bottom on ubuntu?
[16:18] <doug16k> Antonyb, yes
[16:18] <Antonyb> doug16k, ok how?
[16:18] <doug16k> settings, dock, position on screen, bottom
[16:18] <akk> Towser: It might help to describe more clearly what you want to do.
[16:19] <Antonyb> doug16k, cheers
[16:20] <Towser> akk so there is something called Widgit for Windows however it's not for Ubuntu as far as I know and it costs a lot. What it does is your write words and it puts related symbols above the words to make it easier for thoes who can't read very well
[16:24] <akk> Towser: Sorry, no idea. But there's an #ubuntu-accessibility channel, possibly they'd know more.
[16:25] <akk> Towser: When you ask, describe what you want to do; most Ubuntu users probably aren't familiar with specific Windows programs so they may not know what you mean.
[16:32] <ioria> Towser, looks like you can use it (symwriter) with Wine
[16:33] <Towser> ioria the problem is symwriter is expensive
[16:33] <ioria> i see
[16:38] <anon_vzla> Does anyone now what these packages are for, and if the repository is trust worthy? http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-security/universe/binary-amd64/
[16:39] <mgedmin> this is the repository for security updates for ubuntu 16.04 lts, which is EOL and therefore no more security updates will show up there
[16:39] <mgedmin> s/16.04/14.04/ augh
[16:40] <anon_vzla> Thank you mgedmin
[16:48] <User-48103> Hi, I am trying to transfer about 6tb of data from one hard-drive to another, about every 5 minutes or so I am asked to enter my linux machine password, How can I turn this feature off so I can let the 6tb of data transfer without stopping every time it wants the password
[16:49] <ioria> Towser the best i found so far is 'GCompris'
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> User-48103: what command are you executing to start the transfer?
[16:51] <User-48103> no command, the two devices I am transferring data to and from is located in the locations area of a file window
[16:51] <User-48103> not transferring through the terminal
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> User-48103: How are the drives mounted?
[16:52] <User-48103> one is plugged in via motherboard cables, and another is a NAS
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> User-48103: I'm asking how are they mounted in the operating system (not the physical connections)
[16:55] <User-48103> sorry about that, I opened a files window, on the left side of that window where it lists, Recent, Home, Desktop..... at the bottom of those options is Other Locations, when I clicked on that I could see the two locations and double clicked on those, then it made a shortcut on the desktop of the computer.
[16:57] <tomreyn> User-48103: "gio mount -l" in a temrinal should tell you how it's mounted
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> User-48103: The password you enter is your local system password, or the password of the remote NAS system?
[17:00] <RadSurfer_> A common issue trying to run FreeBASIC in ubuntu, unable to run the fbc compiler... what do I do?
[17:00] <User-48103> it wants the password for the local system not the NAS
[17:03] <elh> Hello. Every mouse I use starts freezing randomly. What's wrong? Full description here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2429346
[17:03] <lordcirth_> RadSurfer_, What did you download, and what goes wrong when you try to run it?
[17:04] <RadSurfer_> Its Freebasic.gz from sourceforge
[17:04] <lordcirth_> elh, rolling back the kernel seems like a good thing to try
[17:04] <RadSurfer_> is has a folder bin,lib,doc, etc
[17:04] <RadSurfer_> won't let me run compiler.
[17:04] <lordcirth_> elh, just reboot, choose "advanced" in grub, and select the previous kernel
[17:05] <RadSurfer_> compiler has execute permission
[17:05] <ioria> RadSurfer_, file /usr/local/bin/fbc
[17:05] <lordcirth_> RadSurfer_, and when you run the compiler from the command line, does it print anything?
[17:05] <RadSurfer_> "not found"
[17:05] <RadSurfer_> Okay.
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> User-48103: I would recommend a different method to transfer those files. Ideally mounting the remote share and transfering the files using something like rsync. The GUI file transfer dialogs are fine for most transfers, but I believe what is happening is GUI is losing track of it's session credentials and requires them throughout the process
[17:05] <ioria> RadSurfer_,  sudo updatedb && locate -w fbc
[17:06] <RadSurfer_> what does that do?
[17:06] <pragmaticenigma> User-48103: In short, the file transfer is taking to long and the GUI doesn't hold the needed credentials long enough
[17:06] <ioria> RadSurfer_,  you know where the binary is located ?
[17:06] <ioria> RadSurfer_,  the 'fbc' file, i mean
[17:06] <pragmaticenigma> User-48103: There is no method to disable the prompt, a need to use different tools is recommended
[17:07] <User-48103> what program or method would you recommend, keep in mind I am kind of new to linux, I've used it a hand full of times but I am using it now because it has to be a linux machine to recover and transfer the data I need
[17:07] <RadSurfer_> bin/fbc  inside FB folder
[17:07] <elh> lordcirth_: I'll try. thx
[17:07] <ioria> RadSurfer_,  bin in your HOME or /bin ?
[17:07] <RadSurfer_> cp bin/fbc /usr/local/bin   is that ok?
[17:08] <RadSurfer_> I have no /Home/bin
[17:08] <RadSurfer_> Home/Name/bin
[17:08] <ioria> RadSurfer_,  wait .... the full path of thea file ?
[17:08] <RadSurfer_> either
[17:08] <ioria> RadSurfer_,   ok,  run  'file /hom/$USER/bin/fbc'
[17:08] <RadSurfer_> ~/WorkSpace/FreeBASIC-1.07.1-linux-x86/bin/fbc  is compilers path
[17:09] <Kristine86> Hi, I'm trying to execute bash script on different processors to parallelize experiment for different parameters, and experiments are time sensitive. I'm using Taskset but for some reason only one processor is used 100% at a time. Can somebody help?
[17:09] <ioria> RadSurfer_,   i want to know if is 32 or 64 bit
[17:10] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, you just want to run things in parallel, or you really need specific jobs to run on specific cores?
[17:10] <ioria> RadSurfer_,   file ~/WorkSpace/FreeBASIC-1.07.1-linux-x86/bin/fbc
[17:11] <Kristine86> lordcirth_ exp.sh -param 1 in one core, exp.sh -param 2 in another . Taskset assigns task to the core but it is not happening simultaneously
[17:12] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, exp.sh is your script, and it is calling taskset on what PID?
[17:12] <ioria> RadSurfer_,   paste the output here
[17:13] <RadSurfer_> I tried copying into /usr/local/bin, and fbc still does not work!
[17:14] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, and do you really need job 1 to run on core 1, and 2 on 2, or do you just want them to run in parallel for speed?
[17:15] <Kristine86> lordcirth_ sorry I'm calling java not script, but it should work too. >> taskset -c $coreid java -param $param_id
[17:15] <RadSurfer_> wait...
[17:15] <RadSurfer_> ~/WorkSpace/FreeBASIC-1.07.1-linux-x86$ sudo updatedb && locate -w fbc
[17:15] <RadSurfer_> sudo: updatedb: command not found
[17:16] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, oh, I see. So you are starting 2 of these in parallel, one with $coreid =1 and one with 2?
[17:16] <Kristine86> yes I want to run them in parallel for speed, but I'm also measuring time taken for each param, so one process should effect performance of another process
[17:16] <RadSurfer_> that certainly did not work. :(
[17:16] <thnee> pragmaticenigma: Hmm ok thanks I guess I should try that!
[17:16] <ioria> RadSurfer_, run this command '   file ~/WorkSpace/FreeBASIC-1.07.1-linux-x86/bin/fbc'
[17:17] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, ok, and how are you starting them in parallel? Just '&'?
[17:17] <RadSurfer_> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, not stripped
[17:17] <Kristine86> *one process shouldn't effect performance of another
[17:17] <ioria> RadSurfer_, ELF 32-bit ; are you 32 bit ?
[17:18] <RadSurfer_> dang it. x64 doh
[17:18] <ioria> right
[17:18] <RadSurfer_> fetched wrong conpiler
[17:18] <ioria> yep
[17:18] <Kristine86> lordcirth_ right >> taskset -c $core_id java -param $param_id & and others
[17:19] <tomreyn> RadSurfer_: there are also FreeBASIC builds specifically for ubuntu there if you look more closely.
[17:19] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, and they seem to be running on the same core? Do they both show up in 'top' or 'ps aux', or only one at a time?
[17:20] <RadSurfer_> apt-get install FreeBASIC?
[17:21] <Kristine86> I was running 2 simultaneously, both shows but cpu usage for one 100% and another 0% at a time.
[17:23] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, can you pastebin /proc/cpuinfo ?
[17:23] <lordcirth_> (brb lunch, I'll check back)
[17:24] <tomreyn> RadSurfer_: i was referring to where you apparently downloaded from, https://sourceforge.net/projects/fbc/files/Binaries%20-%20Linux/
[17:25] <RadSurfer_> thanks...
[17:27] <Kristine86> lordcirth_ CPU(s):  8, On-line CPU(s) list: 0-7, Thread(s) per core:  2, Core(s) per socket:  4, Socket(s):           1
[17:29] <RadSurfer_> making progress :: "libtinfo.so.5" missing
[17:32] <RadSurfer_> excellent! I got it working. thanks
[17:32] <tomreyn> Kristine86: so your $core_id range is 0..7 ?
[17:33] <Kristine86> That's right, so it should work.
[17:34] <tomreyn> Kristine86: and your ubuntu version, kernel version and scheduler is?
[17:39] <Kristine86> 18.04
[17:40] <Kristine86> kernel v 4.15.0-66-generic
[17:40] <Kristine86> how do I find scheduler?
[17:41] <tomreyn> Kristine86: actually this question was nonsense, there's only one process scheduler, i mised it up with I/O schedulers
[17:46] <johnjay> how do i change startup parameters for programs in the taskbar?
[17:46] <johnjay> i don't see any way to do it
[17:46] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, like I thought, you have a hyperthreaded CPU. Try using cores 0 and 2 instead of 1 and 2.
[17:47] <Kristine86> lordcirth_ how hyperthreaded affects cores selection? Does core 0 and 1 go in one socket?
[17:48] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, you have 4 actual cores, 8 threads. So probably 0,1 are on the same core, etc
[17:48] <lordcirth_> Not sure exactly how it's laid out, but you should be running 4 max if you don't want them interfering
[17:49] <Kristine86> ok I'm doing this for now $ taskset -c 0 stress > /dev/null & taskset -c 2 stress > /dev/null &
[17:50] <Kristine86> sorry I mean taskset -c 0 yes > /dev/null & taskset -c 2 yes > /dev/null &
[17:51] <Kristine86> oh it works, both processors are using 100% now
[17:51] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, great. So in your script, I would set cpuid to be 1,3,5,7
[17:52] <lordcirth_> And see how that works
[17:52] <Kristine86> its strange though, with "yes > /dev/null" command it even works with -c 0 and -c 1
[17:53] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, hmm, perhaps something to do with forking
[17:53] <lordcirth_> Kristine86, if you don't absolutely need cpu pinning, I would just use 'parallel' from moreutils, it will be easier.
[17:54] <Kristine86> maybe something is wrong with java program that conflicts with eachother. ok lemme see
[17:55] <Kristine86> I need to use this in server machine eventually and they don't have parallel at the moment
[18:02] <xealits> Kristine86, sorry to barge in, but why do you need parallel? I thought if it is only to parallelize some commands, then you can do it with xargs.
[18:03] <Kristine86> I closed the window, so can't see previous conversation. Somebody suggested parallel command because it's probably easy to use
[18:03] <tomreyn> also, if those servers have irqbalance installed, they'll just spread busy processes across those cores automatically.
[18:04] <xealits> yeah, parallel should be easier, but xargs is OK, if it is not a too specific situation
[18:05] <xealits> for example, say you have a number of commands in a file "commands_file" -- each command is writen in 1 line
[18:05] <Kristine86> I tested it with another command and it worked. I need to test with my java program now. taskset -c 0 yes > /dev/null & taskset -c 1 yes > /dev/null &
[18:07] <xealits> cat commands_file | xargs -P <number of concurrent processes> -I COMMAND sh -c "COMMAND" -- would run them in parallel, each line is substituted in COMMAND
[18:07] <tomreyn> doesn't set cpu affinity, though
[18:07] <xealits> yep
[18:09] <tomreyn> Kristine86: shouldn't there be a semicolon after & in your example command line above?
[18:12] <RadSurfer_> is there anyone in here that uses FreeBASIC? I have a strange error I can not resolve!
[18:13] <RadSurfer_> this compiles just fine under Windows Freebasic, but refuses in Ubuntu.
[18:13] <RadSurfer_> I do have the required libraries installed!
[18:14] <tomreyn> https://sourceforge.net/projects/fbc/support
[18:16] <RadSurfer_> LOL wish there was such a thing, on freenode
[18:18] <erle-> Why was Seahorse not upgraded to 3.34?
[18:28] <RadSurfer_> all good now, thanks guys!
[19:36] <TAFB> Ubuntu 19.10 live, I'm getting "E: Package 'python3-wxgtk4.0' has no installation candidate", need help :(
[19:38] <lordcirth_> TAFB, what are you trying to do?
[19:39] <TAFB> I'm trying to "sudo apt-get install python3-wxgtk4.0"
[19:39] <TAFB> (for ddrescue-gui)
[19:45] <tomreyn> TAFB: it's in the "universe" section, maybe this isn't enabled by default. or you just forgot to run "sudo apt-get update" beforehand
[19:45] <tomreyn> !universe
[19:48] <TAFB>  still get "no installation candidate" even after sudo apt-get update :(
[19:50] <ioria> TAFB, apt-cache policy python3-wxgtk4.0
[19:52] <TAFB> https://pastebin.com/W2XGCvDW
[19:52] <ioria> TAFB, universe is not enabled; check Software sour
[19:52] <ioria> *sources
[19:55] <ioria> TAFB, run in terminal  'software-properties-gtk'
[19:56] <TAFB> worked, woot
[19:56] <TAFB> thanks guys, let the data recovery begin!
[19:56] <ioria> ok
[20:12] <Guest60932> Hi,
[20:14] <Guest60932> Got a grub problem. Just installed ubuntu / on ssd ( /dev/sdb ) and some stuff on hdd ( /dev/sda ). Alongside there is windows 10 installed. I can see that there is grub in sdb's mbr however when grub is not initialized - instead windows is.
[20:14] <Guest60932> Any tips?
[20:15] <skr> yes
[20:15] <skr> bios is booting from first disk
[20:15] <Guest60932> skr: windows is also on sdb.
[20:15] <skr> change in bios or install grub to sda
[20:15] <skr> bios is efi?
[20:16] <Guest60932> skr: uefi I belive.
[20:16] <skr> my bet is: your windows boot partition is on sda
[20:16] <skr> and bios is booting from sda. check bios
[20:17] <skr> or install grub to sda
[20:17] <Guest60932> skr: higly unliekely: I installed windows directly to sdb and formated sda from ubuntu live before install.
[20:25] <skr> Guest60932, check bios. bios is booting directly to windows
[20:26] <ioria> Guest60932, maybe if you paste 'sudo parted -l' we  might help
[20:28] <Antonyb> i dont know if this question applies here, but  im using ubuntu 19.10 , if i was to install  xfce desktop enviroment could i then delete the default gnome enviroment  and use it similar to xubuntu or am i best off just reinstalling a different flavour of ubuntu?
[20:29] <ioria> Antonyb, the second
[20:30] <Antonyb> ioria, alright thanks  i might do that then
[20:30] <ioria> Antonyb, no problem
[20:38] <Guest60932> ioria: https://pastebin.com/s21bbrXL
[20:39] <ioria> Guest60932, and what you have on sda ?
[20:40] <Guest60932> ioria: encrypted lv for var/home & swap.
[20:41] <ioria> Guest60932, and are yuo booting off  sdb from bios ?
[20:41] <tomreyn> 2x msdos, 1x gpt partition table, 1 efi system partition, hmm.
[20:41] <Guest60932> ioria: Yes, windows as well as grub are both installed on sdb.
[20:42] <ioria> Guest60932, and what happens exactly when you boot the pc ?
[20:44] <Guest60932> ioria: dreduflu windows boot log.
[20:44] <ioria> Guest60932, can you elaborate that ?
[20:46] <Guest60932> ioria: windows boots up. Grub isn't considered. Someone told me windows may have installed it's bootloader on sda. Perhaps. I whiped the drive thou ( not mbr ).
[20:46] <ioria> Guest60932, i don't think there's nothing on sda
[20:47] <ioria> Guest60932, are you booting in efi mode ?
[20:48] <Guest60932> Not sure to be honest. I thought uefi, but I am not sure at this point. Guess I will reboot and check.
[20:48] <Guest60932> Thanks for the input.
[20:59] <mahavishvarupa> Hello there, which iso do I need for a network install?
[20:59] <tomreyn> what kind of network installation?
[21:00] <tomreyn> booting from network or just installing packages from the network?
[21:00] <mahavishvarupa> just the packages tomreyn
[21:00] <tomreyn> then any of the isos should work fine
[21:01] <mahavishvarupa> I want a smaller image as  my usb stick is small.  Something  < 1G
[21:01] <tomreyn> server, alternative server or mini.iso then. that's unless when you need to use wireless, the server + mini ones may not work then.
[21:02] <mahavishvarupa> tomreyn: that sounds like what I'm after.  Do you have a link to them please?
[21:02] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version do you intend to install?
[21:03] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/download/server links to the server and alternative server isos
[21:04] <mahavishvarupa> Thanks tomreyn
[21:06] <tomreyn> mini.iso should be somewhere below http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[21:31] <ebeyer> Is there a resource, post or person who could direct me to ways I can contribute to the ubuntu project in the absence of significant technical skills?  I can't program but have been using Ubuntu since Warty.  Maybe proofreading or testing end-user desktop applications?
[21:32] <tomreyn> !participate | ebeyer
[21:33] <ebeyer> Wow.  That wiki is quite detailed.  Thanks for that.
[21:34] <tomreyn> you're welcome ;)
[21:38] <ebeyer> Does anyone know / does anyone have experience running Ubuntu MATE on the Pi4 with a 4k display?
[21:40] <apop1> is there a unix tool which can extract the value of "N" between tokens M2 and M3 and return just "v3" (without quotes), given this expression: `printf %b 'M1\n\tN:  v1  ,\n\tP: v2,\nM2\n\tN:  v3  ,\n\tP:v4,\nM3\n\tN:v5,\n\tP:v6\n`  (with an without %b)
[21:40] <lordcirth_> apop1, are you *quite sure* you need to do it that way?
[21:42] <lordcirth_> If those colons are literal (I'm not very familiar with printf) you might be able to use 'cut' or 'awk', splitting on :
[21:42] <TAFB> ebayer, I'm running a Pi4 on a 4k tv (4k60), I can't believe how well it plays 4k movies! nuts. Not running Ubuntu tho :(
[21:43] <TAFB> Only issue I have is that if I don't use it for a few days I lose display and have to power cycle the Pi to get it back (LibreELEC)
[21:45] <apop1> lordcirth_, in general, it is: given a string, take a substring between two fixed markers (M2 and M3 in this case), then select an interesting "line" if there were linebreaks (\tN: v3 ,) and extract the value, "v3" in my case.
[21:46] <lordcirth_> apop1, will this only occur once per invocation, or does it need to match many examples in the text?
[21:47] <lordcirth_> apop1, are those \n's newlines in the actual text, or literal '\n'?
[21:48] <lordcirth_> I think awk can do this.
[21:48] <apop1> those are, with printf %b, it makes the literal \ns as new lines, without %b, they remain literal.
[21:48] <apop1> ah i found it:      sed -nEe '/M2/,/M3/s/.*N: *([^ ]*).*/\1/p'
[21:49] <apop1> works on BSD and Linux OSes :)
[22:23] <pedahzur> Howdy all! What would be the best way to trouble shoot why my Ubuntu 18 (server) box appears to not be running the scripts in /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/*, and by extension, not running /sbin/dhclient-script?
[22:25] <sarnold> depending upon how things are set up you may be use systemd-networkd to manage networks now, see what networkctl reports
[22:32] <Intelo> Hi
[22:33] <bprompt> allo
[22:33] <Intelo> Which settings in kubuntu hides the password chars visible to on login screen?  I want to hide so no one can even count how many chars of password I have?
[22:33] <bprompt> ohh is Intelo, hide the silver!!
[22:33] <pedahzur> sarnold: Hmm...that's possible. But why would /sbin/dhclient and /sbin/dhclient-script even be installed if that's the case?
[22:34] <pedahzur> sarnold: Hmm...yeah, it says eth0 is "configured" so I assume it has a hold on that.  Okie dokie...time to dig in to systemd networking. Blargh.
[22:35] <Bashing-om> !netplan | pedahzur
[22:37] <pedahzur> Bashing-om: Thanks. Still makes me wonder why /sbin/dhclient and /sbin/dhclient-script are installed if they are not used.
[22:37] <apop1> hi
[22:41] <EriC^^> hello apop1
[22:41] <Bashing-om> pedahzur: Would have to read the script to understand - maybe because netplan is not the only game in town.
[22:42] <pedahzur> Bashing-om: Yeah, not sure what's going on. It's very apparent the dhclient-scripts doesn't invoke any of the hooks it should, so I'm assuming it's not running.
[22:46] <Bashing-om> pedahzur: My goto when in doubt is to include an echo statement in the script:)
[22:47] <pedahzur> Yeah, my hook scripts echo out to a log in /tmp/. The file never shows up. :)
[23:25] <daftjack> Just installed xubuntu on ubuntu 18.04 (was curious how it performed) and switched to lightdm during the process. On boot my keyboard works as I can enter the drive encryption password. On the LightDM screen though only my touch pad works, laptop keyboard no longer works and no peripherals plugged in via usb work. Wondering if I can perhaps simply switch back the DM but not finding a clear answer
[23:25] <daftjack> to this.
[23:27] <Bashing-om> daftjack: At the pass word screen - lower right corner of the sign-in box is there a gear icon ? If so there is a deop down for the desired DE,
[23:27] <Bashing-om> drop down*
[23:29] <daftjack> Bashing-om:no gear icon. Just a single box with username, dropdown for other users, password entry and a "Log In" button in its bottom right.
[23:30] <daftjack> Numerous icons, as expected in top right such as sessions switch, language, date, power.
[23:39] <daftjack> Not sure but looks like Im going to have to force a boot into a terminal and install xserver-xorg-input-all according to at least on post I found. Seems like a pretty serious bug if so. heh
[23:55] <flog> I removed boot splash and during boot I see something that fails loading. where do I find what it is?
[23:56] <daftjack> Bashing-om: I used the accessibility on the DM for onscreen kbd. Logged in then used on screen there and installed xserver-xorg-input-all.  Seems to be working. What a pain. LOL
[23:57] <Bashing-om> flog: Maybe ' journalctl -b -0 ' . shows messages from the current boot.
[23:57] <flog> Bashing-om: will check that out
[23:58] <Bashing-om> daftjack: Surprised that xserver-xorg-input-all was not installed as a dependency :(