[00:01] <seanh> I'll try booting a Live USB
[00:02] <seanh> I don't know if it's supposed to but the BIOS menus and stuff don't seem to appear on the external display either
[00:03] <seanh> The LiveUSB isn't detecting it either
[00:04] <seanh> Tried with two different HDMI cables with two displays of the same model, LiveUSB doesn't detect them
[00:05] <seanh> So that seems like either a hardware or firmware issue
[00:05] <ozzzo> if not for the fact that you fixed it once before, I would be thinking that your HDMI port went bad
[00:05] <sarnold> same
[00:07] <Bashing-om> seanh: sarnold :: A bios switch ?
[00:08] <sarnold> Bashing-om: it's worth a look anyway
[00:09] <seanh> It's partially coming back to me: last time I think it was a ThinkPad BIOS/firmware bug not an Ubuntu bug
[00:09] <seanh> I think I did somethingin the BIOS, that I found on a Lenovo support forum, that fixed it
[00:09] <seanh> Can't remember exactly what
[00:10] <jjbuggle> so, my microphone isn
[00:10] <seanh> I think I used a physical BIOS reset button
[00:10] <jjbuggle> My microphone isn't working.  I bought a new gaming headset from amazon, and that has a mic, but now I don't see my normal laptop mic, nor the mic on the headphones
[00:11] <jjbuggle> any tips to get my mics recognized?  Sorry for posting multiple comments
[00:12] <saor> Is it a normal 3.5mm or a USB headset?
[00:12] <jjbuggle> 3.5mm, with a triple connect
[00:13] <jjbuggle> ive never used such a thing with this laptop, but I assumed it would work.  But it is weird that my normal laptop mic isn't being shown either
[00:13] <coz_> jjbuggle, did you check  alsamixer from terminal then press F6 for sound card  check if anything is muted
[00:13] <jjbuggle> ill try rebooting maybe
[00:13] <jjbuggle> no
[00:15] <sarnold> jjbuggle: what's pavucontrol look like?
[00:15] <jjbuggle> im looking at alsmamixer, and checking to see what is there, but i don't know what muted would look like
[00:16] <coz_> jjbuggle, it would have an "M" under the slider
[00:17] <jjbuggle> still nothing showing up in audio input devices
[00:17] <jjbuggle> lemme reboot
[00:17] <coz_> ok
[00:18] <seanh> sarnold: ozzzo Bashing-om Thanks for all your help. Shut down the laptop, used a paper clip to hold down the physical BIOS reset button on the under side for a second, booted up again--external displays are working again
[00:18] <seanh> This is the same thing that happened last time
[00:18] <ozzzo> nice
[00:18] <seanh> Windows users with this laptop (ThinkPad X1 Carbon) are having the same problem
[00:18] <sarnold> seanh: woah owah
[00:18] <sarnold> seanh: where's this button? :)
[00:18] <sarnold> this sounds like something I ought to know
[00:19] <sarnold> seanh: got a label printer hander? "stick something in me when the display stops working" :)
[00:19] <seanh> The funny thing is: it did not start working again immediately on booting up ... *one of my two HDMI cables was also broken* in addition to the BIOS problem
[00:19] <seanh> sarnold: There is a small hole on the under side of the laptop you can fit a paper clip in
[00:19] <sarnold> seanh: be sure to destroy that cable before discarding it
[00:20] <sarnold> seanh: the last thing you need is for someone to salvage it :)
[00:20] <seanh> Answer from Lenovo staff: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X1-Carbon-6th-gen-HDMI-not-working/m-p/4092656/highlight/true#M86235
[00:20] <sarnold> seanh: thanks :)
[00:21] <Bashing-om> seanh: :D
[00:23] <seanh> Ok, I can go to bed now. Had to fix this for my friend so she can work in the morning. It's half past midnight
[00:23] <sarnold> gnight!
[00:23] <sarnold> and good job :)
[00:23] <seanh> :wave:
[00:38] <FurretUber> After I upgraded the kernel to 5.3.0-23 on Bionic, the system is booting to initramfs emergency shell. Is this happening to someone else?
[00:38] <FurretUber> It's something related to mdadm
[00:42] <sarnold> FurretUber: does it say why?
[00:42] <FurretUber> After a spam of /dev/mdadm messages, it says it gave up waiting suspend/resume device
[00:44] <FurretUber> Nothing was saved on syslog and no message about the root being clean appeared, so probably the root file system was never mounted to save logs
[00:47] <sarnold> bummer. without an actual error message it's really hard to know the next step :(
[00:47] <sarnold> can you boot into older kernels okay?
[00:47] <FurretUber> Yes, I'm on 4.15.0-70 now. I can reboot and take some photos
[00:48] <FurretUber> Unfortunately it's on this computer, so I'll have to leave the chat while doing that
[00:53] <FurretUber> OK. I set up another computer and I have the broken one ready to be tested
[00:54] <sarnold> woo
[01:01] <FurretUber> http://i.imgur.com/PlcrAdQ.png
[01:03] <sarnold> FurretUber: hmmm... the missing modules hint makes me wonder, do you have the linux-modules-extra-* packages installed for the new kernel? I think I saw something similar (but without lvm, heh)
[01:03] <FurretUber> Well, there is no sda in /dev, this is super strange
[01:05] <Bashing-om> FurretUber: I no longer have raid experience, but: "there is no sda in /dev" makes me wonder if Bios dees the hard drive ?
[01:06] <FurretUber> Booting 5.0.0-36 was successful, so the computer does detect and use the drive, it's just that specific kernel version
[01:07] <FurretUber> The extra modules aren't installed, but the 5.3.0-19 was working without them
[01:10] <sarnold> FurretUber: stick around a moment I'm going to go lok through some logs
[01:10] <Bashing-om> FurretUber: In any event, the place to start is to know the UUIDs - sudo blkid -c /dev/null - and compare to what the system expects.
[01:11] <sarnold> FurretUber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1852575
[01:12] <FurretUber> Hmm... if I can get the logs from the initramfs shell I can send them
[01:13] <BillD73> is there a specific "mate" channel?
[01:14] <Betal> BillD73: did you try #mate ?
[01:14] <FurretUber> sarnold: I can run that apport-collect from 5.0.0-36, would that help?
[01:14] <sarnold> FurretUber: I think it would, yes
[01:15] <kc2bez> BillD73: #ubuntu-mate for Ubuntu Mate
[01:17] <FurretUber> I can't upload to that bug :/
[01:18] <sarnold> FurretUber: alrighty, a fresh ubuntu-bug linux   ought to do the trick
[01:23] <BillD73> keysthx kc2bez
[01:24] <kc2bez> You're welcome BillD73
[01:30] <cnnx> I want to host a server of some type on a vps or dedicated server but dont have any ideas.. is hosting an ubuntu a possibility?
[01:30] <cnnx> ubuntu mirror that is
[01:31] <cnnx> i wanna host something legal and usefull
[01:31] <FurretUber> sarnold: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-edge/+bug/1852664
[01:33] <FurretUber> Like having your own Ubuntu mirror? It's doable, but be aware a lot of disk space is required (around 200 GB for amd64 Bionic)
[01:33] <sarnold> FurretUber: cool, thanks; could you add a comment to say if you are or aren't using lvm, luks, md, ?
[01:33] <cnnx> FurretUber: thats ok I dont mind paying for that
[01:33] <cnnx> FurretUber: I can shop around for a good deal
[01:33] <cnnx> is there a requirement website i can get more info on this?
[01:33] <sarnold> my ubuntu mirror is 1.3 TB
[01:34] <sarnold> cnnx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/Scripts#Archive_mirrors
[01:34] <cnnx> so I need a dedicated server with 200GB and unlimited bandwith right?
[01:35] <sarnold> you could of course use tc or other controls to ratelimit how much traffic is used
[01:36] <sarnold> 200gb is a partial mirror; it might be useful to you or friends but it's less widely useful; a full mirror is quite a bit larger
[01:36] <cnnx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[01:36] <cnnx> ^ this is what I was looking for
[01:40] <FurretUber> I added the information in the bug report no raid, lvm or md were configure and that is a normal desktop install
[01:42] <FurretUber> Hmm... when I set up my mirror, I used apt-mirror, lxd and a systemd service. I think I overdid the setup :p
[01:47] <sarnold> I did the double-rsync, systemd service, systemd timer, and set up another systemd service to do zfs snapshots. If I were redoing it I might not redo the systemd bits of it, one line in crontab vs two files of half-dozen lines each *and* you still need a script..
[02:27] <MrCrackPotBob> hey can anyone point me in the direction of the file/files that need modifying for systemd-resolved to to send .test to 127.0.0.1 i tried adding test to /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost test but failed then in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf i tried adding search= ~.test and DNS=127.0.0.1 but that didnt work either so im at a loss. with dnsmasq i just created a simple rule and it worked
[02:42] <oxek> my /boot was not mounted during apt upgrade, and a new kernel was downloaded. I now mounted /boot, how can I get the new kernel there?
[02:45] <sarnold> oxek: apt install --reinstall linux-.... is probably the first thing to try
[02:48] <oxek> sarnold: I tried `sudo apt reinstall linux-image-amd64` but that did not what I expected
[02:48] <oxek> I suspect linux-image-amd64 is some placeholder
[02:53] <sarnold> oxek: I haven't heard of linux-image-amd64 -- if you've got one of those installed, you may have to ask whoever gave it to you
[03:41] <outpost> Hi Guys, is there anyone who could help me with a audio issue? I'm trying to get a firewire audio interface to be recognized in ubuntu and nothing that I've been trying for the past two days seems to help.
[03:44] <sarnold> with patience like that..
[04:38] <becool> how do i downgrade python from 2.7.15+ to 2.7.12?
[04:40] <LoRez> that seems like a bad idea.
[04:42] <becool> it was a worse idea upgrading since my app is not compatible with .15+
[04:42] <becool> now it's broken
[04:43] <LoRez> you should probably work on that part.
[04:44] <becool> that's like saying i should rewrite my entire erp during the middle of an emergency because as/400 is old
[04:45] <kxsl> it belongs in a museum!
[04:46] <LoRez> uh, one, don't run updates before you've tested.  two, 2.X is deprecated completely in 45ish days.  three, those are maintenance releases and shouldn't be a breaking change  -- how'd it break?
[04:46] <becool> LoRez: it broke when i did 'do-release-upgrade'
[04:47] <LoRez> yeah, don't do that unless you know your "mission critical app" is going to work when you're done.
[04:47] <LoRez> that should be obvious.
[04:47] <becool> LoRez: i'm not an idiot, this is a test machine specifically for this purpose
[04:48] <becool> prod is still alive
[04:48] <LoRez> then you can fix the app!
[04:48] <kxsl> youre not using virtual environments? i would use them here
[04:48] <becool> no, i need to downgrade python. i'm not going to refactor my code at this time
[04:52] <LoRez> there is no official process to downgrade.
[04:54] <becool> how do i make/point my app to use python3?
[04:56] <LoRez> if it doesn't work with 2.7.15+, it's not likely going to work with 3.  Porting it to 3 is going to take more work.  I'd start with running your tests and see what's broken.
[04:59] <becool> it has to do with import packaging.requirements
[05:00] <becool> it's expecting it but can't find it, and i get an error when i try to import it in python2
[05:06] <becool> how do i reload/rescan for modules in python?
[05:15] <djzn> nmcli device show <interfacename> | grep IP4.DNS         <<< the following command, where does it fetch the DNS IPs from? which file?
[05:35] <Randolf> Lately, /etc/resolv.conf is being overridden with a symbolic link to a file that has an invalid nameserver, and this b0rks my system.  This has been happening since I installed updates yesterday on my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS system.  How can I get my nameserver set to 8.8.8.8 permanently despite the updates?  Thanks.
[05:36] <Randolf> I did find a recommendation in Google to set "PEERDNS=no" in /etc/resolv.conf, but that had no effect.
[07:01] <fairuz> Good day people
[07:02] <fairuz> is it possible to force the group of files in a folder? For example when user abc create a file 123 in folder X, the ownership of the file is abc:www-data instead of abc:abc
[07:02] <fairuz> Thanks
[07:06] <EriC^> fairuz: kind of yeah
[07:06] <EriC^> fairuz: i think it's called setgid, whenever news files/folders are created, the group owner is same as the initial folder owner
[07:13] <fairuz> EriC^ interesting.. I'll read about it first
[07:17] <Ahmed4119> Hi
[08:22] <croraf> hi, first time here
[08:23] <EriC^> welcome croraf
[08:23] <croraf> So you dont support 20.04
[08:23] <EriC^> !+1
[08:23] <EriC^> !ubuntu+1
[08:24] <croraf> I have a very new laptop, at least its wifi card requires 5.1+ kernel, so what is my option.
[08:24] <croraf> 18.04 does not come with that kernel.
[08:24] <croraf> I cannot install nor 18.04 nor 19.10 nor 20.04 daily build
[08:26] <tatertots> why can't you install?
[08:26] <tuxi> hello i have a copy and paste bug in ubuntu 19.10, how can i fix it?
[08:28] <EriC^> !mainline | croraf
[08:28] <tuxi> its not copying one time i have to click twice, why? i had with ubuntu 19.04 no problems, sry for my bad english
[08:32] <croraf> EriC^ so you suggest I install the 18.04 and then update kernel?
[08:33] <EriC^> croraf: sure why not
[08:36] <croraf> Well, I tried that many times, I can install only with specific options set, and then it crashed after 1 min. I had trouble getting in later.
[08:36] <croraf> I tried with 19.10 also, with even less success (not able to install anyhow), and with 20.04 daily build (same as with 19.10)
[08:37] <croraf> You think my chances are greatest with 18.04.3?
[08:37] <croraf> EriC^
[08:45] <croraf> Does 18.04 have a daily build?
[08:45] <croraf> There is something like this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/pending/HEADER.html
[08:46] <croraf> but there is no file list below. Is this just the released 18.04.3?
[08:46] <EdFletcherT137> 18.04 is an LTS release, it does not have active development
[08:47] <fairuz> EriC^ thanks, setting the gid works for my use case
[08:47] <croraf> EdFletcherT137 well it is being updated with patches, so it should have like a development version
[08:48] <EdFletcherT137> croraf: yes true sorry, I took from your use of "daily build" word choice you expected it was in active, daily development
[09:15] <shagna> hi,i am using bionic,fresh install but importing a public pgp key is not working.made an foo.asc file,typed --gpg import foo.asc and return is no valid OpenPGP data found
[09:18] <shagna> sorry,the command was gpg --import foo.asc
[09:30] <guiverc> croraf, you can find the latest 'daily' build of 18.04 via http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds
[09:30] <guiverc> (ie. it's the work that will become 18.04.4)
[09:30] <Habbie> guiverc, that's equivalent to running apt upgrade on an existing 18.04 install, right?
[09:33] <zaggynl> Anyone else run into the docker snap just installing all by itself?
[09:33] <zaggynl> my docker test vm suddenly ran out of space
[09:33] <zaggynl> similar to what is described here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1188908/what-does-this-docker-log-entry-mean
[09:35] <guiverc> Habbie, `apt full-upgrade` yeah..
[09:37] <croraf> guiverc ty a lot
[09:38] <croraf> OK, I managed to start live ubuntu 18.04.3  (released) with nomodeset and blacklist=nouveau
[09:39] <Habbie> guiverc, that one, yes, sorry :)
[11:28] <croraf> guiverc thx
[11:28] <toomanyof> Hey, I'm having trouble setting up my usb wifi adapter. I've installed the rtl8812au kernel modules - I can see they're installed with modinfo. I can also see the id from lsusb of my usb adapter (0846:9052) is listed in the mod info. So it *should* work.
[11:29] <toomanyof> But I don't know where to go from there. When I do "ip link" I don't see any new interfaces. And gnome still isn't showing any way to use a wireless network connection.
[11:30] <toomanyof> I feel like I'm missing a step. Like there's no issue with what I've done so far, I just don't know where to go from here.
[11:31] <guiverc> toomanyof, you may need to restart NetworkManager  (guess, I'm tired)
[11:32] <jeremy31> toomanyof: or try a reboot
[11:32] <tomreyn> or unplug, replug
[11:33] <toomanyof> Hey friends! I've tried all three of those things actually.
[11:33] <jeremy31> toomanyof: in terminal look at>  modprobe -c | grep 0846 | grep 9052
[11:34] <np_complete> Hello, anyone using Matrox DSX (SDI) capturing video cards?
[11:34] <jeremy31> toomanyof: also check>  mokutil --sb-state
[11:38] <tomreyn> np_complete: this seems to be developer only hardware? https://www.matrox.com/video/en/support/developer/
[11:40] <np_complete> didn't know, I am new to the job lol.
[11:40] <toomanyof> Hey jeremy31. the modprobe shows a few, cause I tried to install a few drivers. But yeah, there are definitely drivers there.
[11:40] <toomanyof> The mokutil shows "EFI variables are not supported on this system"
[11:45] <toomanyof> I'm not totally sure what either of those things mean. Anyone have any other suggestions?
[11:52] <Ben64> toomanyof: pastebin the output of 'lshw -C network'
[11:59] <toomanyof> Running it as my normal user gives me this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TK4BSsh6QQ/
[11:59] <toomanyof> Running it as root freezes and gives no output
[11:59] <toomanyof> And I'm still trying to kill those commands... Need to figure out how to do that.
[11:59] <toomanyof> But they're just frozen. I see them sitting there in htop
[11:59] <Ben64> looks like you don't have the right module loaded for your wireless
[12:00] <toomanyof> Well I've tried all the ones I can find that mention my usb adapter
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:04] <toomanyof> Where should I look do you think? Ben64
[12:07] <Ben64> toomanyof: if i were you i'd go buy an adapter that will work out of the box
[12:08] <toomanyof> This was the only one I could find where I live...
[12:08] <Ben64> :(
[12:08] <toomanyof> And it seems like tons of people have gotten it working
[12:09] <toomanyof> There's a bunch of troubleshooting threads where they say they have it working now
[12:10] <Ben64> did you modprobe the module
[12:10] <toomanyof> Why would lshw crash lock up when run as root?
[12:10] <toomanyof> Yeah, what would I be looking for in the modprobe?
[12:10] <Ben64> what's the exact command you typed that crashed?
[12:10] <np_complete> how can I downgrade my kernel to 4.4.167?
[12:10] <Ben64> and you wouldn't look for anything... modprobe inserts the module into the kernel
[12:10] <Ben64> np_complete: you don't
[12:11] <toomanyof> Ah right, sorry I thought you meant modinfo. Yes, it's the module's loaded. The dkms install script for what I've found works.
[12:11] <toomanyof> It says its installed and I can find it listed as being loaded
[12:12] <np_complete> I need to downgrade because some Matrox SDI card drivers work only up to that version of the kernel
[12:12] <Ben64> sounds unlikely
[12:13] <np_complete> one colleague says that after that version the kernel module does not build due to incompatible API
[12:14] <leeijaw> As a multilingual, I really don't like Ubuntu 18. I actually upgraded to 18 one whole year after its initial release. And hoped that patience and waiting can make the transition much more smooth. It didn't.
[12:14] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | leeijaw
[12:14] <Ben64> np_complete: well Ubuntu 16.04 currently has 4.4.0.169.177, so you could install 16.04
[12:15] <toomanyof> Ben64 When I run "lshw -C network" as root, it locks up and the only output shown is "USB
[12:15] <tomreyn> leeijaw: to discuss, please /join #ubuntu (this channel is just about support Q&A)
[12:15] <tomreyn> * #ubuntu-discuss
[12:15] <Ben64> toomanyof: how are you running it as root
[12:15] <toomanyof> sudo
[12:16] <EriC^> toomanyof: maybe try strace on it
[12:16] <Ben64> toomanyof: :|
[12:16] <toomanyof> How so EriC^?
[12:16] <toomanyof> I just tried it switch to the root user. Same result.
[12:16] <leeijaw> I said before here that fcitx doesn't work well under Ubuntu 18 and it used to conflict the system default input mechanism. Namely the hotkey to switch IME. Fine, I just rebind it from 'super+space' to 'alt+space' and things get to work somehow.
[12:16] <EriC^> toomanyof: do "sudo -i" then "strace -o /tmp/log lshw -c network"
[12:17] <toomanyof> And I can't get those processes to die. They just sit there forever no matter how many ways I try to kill them Ben64
[12:17] <EriC^> toomanyof: then check /tmp/log and see whats there
[12:17] <Ben64> leeijaw: there is no Ubuntu 18
[12:17] <leeijaw> But today, I tried to add russian and german keyboard to fcitx, it doesn't work at all. The Chinese works, I guess it is because it uses the same US keyboard layout.
[12:17] <leeijaw> My problem is not about Ubuntu 18 or 16.
[12:18] <leeijaw> My problem is about getting fcitx to work on my current computer.
[12:18] <toomanyof> Alright. What should I be looking for in /tmp/log? EriC^
[12:18] <leeijaw> I just don't bother to re-install my OS just for this.
[12:18] <np_complete> Ben64 why can't I just downgrade kernel version?
[12:19] <Ben64> np_complete: if you need 4.4 16.04 has it
[12:19] <Ben64> until April, at least...
[12:19] <np_complete> Hey, I do not want to reinstall my whole system after all the work I had to do to get it this far
[12:19] <Ben64> what version of ubuntu is on there now
[12:20] <leeijaw> In fact, I have adapted myself to the later Ubuntu quite well and solved many problems of my own with asking any help. But this really annoys me for long.
[12:20] <np_complete> 18.04
[12:20] <Ben64> np_complete: well you could either 1) get it working on 18.04, or 2) install 16.04
[12:20] <np_complete> VERSION="18.04.3 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
[12:21] <leeijaw> Yes, I only used the LTS.
[12:21] <leeijaw> Me too
[12:21] <np_complete> Ben64 get working what?
[12:21] <leeijaw> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[12:21] <Ben64> np_complete: the driver/card/mcguffin
[12:21] <leeijaw> I mean I solved my problems WITHOUT asking any help.
[12:22] <leeijaw> Except for this input method hell
[12:22] <np_complete> Ben64 are you telling me it is not posible to downgrade kernel version? that does not sound true
[12:22] <Ben64> np_complete: it's very true
[12:22] <np_complete> how come?
[12:22] <Ben64> because 18.04 comes with 4.15
[12:24] <toomanyof> EriC^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pvHzzkZD45
[12:24] <toomanyof> This is the contents of the log made with strace
[12:25] <toomanyof> Seems like it terminated mid-message. But I'm not totally sure.
[12:25] <tomreyn> np_complete: and even if it was possible (i bet it is not, systemd and other core system components will probably not work well with the older kernel version), you'd then be running an unsupported and non supportable system. which you don't want, especially if you're trying to develop something usable. what you really need to do is to convince matrox or a third party to provide driver support for newer kernel versions.
[12:26] <Ben64> it might already exist
[12:26] <leeijaw> I never had any problem with sytemd and I quite like it in fact.
[12:26] <Ben64> that's part of option #1 - get it working on 18.04
[12:26] <tomreyn> np_complete: and until then, your best option is to run ubuntu 16.04 LTS (which will get another 5 years of (only) security support via ESM)
[12:26] <Ben64> tomreyn: that's paid, right?
[12:27] <np_complete> but going back to 16.04 does it mean that I get older version of cmak and libs and stuff?
[12:27] <np_complete> but going back to 16.04 does it mean that I get older version of cmake and libs and stuff?
[12:27] <tomreyn> Ben64: there's a free tier
[12:27] <Ben64> you can't have it both ways, either you get old stuff or you get new stuff
[12:27] <tomreyn> np_complete: it sure does
[12:27] <np_complete> that could be a blocker then for me
[12:27] <Ben64> i think option 1 is the way to go
[12:29] <np_complete> get Matrox to make their driver work on newer kernel? challange accepted.... but I do not have the people or business skills, they will ignore me like the rat I am... LOL
[12:30] <Ben64> well the first step would be to find out why it isn't working
[12:31] <np_complete> I have to got there yet because firsts I need to build some old versions of some libs and their deps and I am getting issues with that, then as said, on colleague claims that with newer versions of the kernel than the mentioned it can not build the kernel module
[12:31] <np_complete> I have not got there yet*
[12:31] <toomanyof> I give up
[12:32] <Ben64> the trick is to ignore the colleague
[12:33] <toomanyof> "sudo lshw -C network" is marked as "D" in htop, which apparently means that the only thing you can do is wait or reboot - there's no other way to kill the process. I have no idea what's going on, but I've spend 5 hours today trying to get this wifi adapter to work, and if this is happening now, I'm gonna guess there's something seriously broken.
[12:34] <Ben64> toomanyof: return it and get something better :D
[12:34] <toomanyof> I'll have to order something online... and due to circumstance, that's hardly worth it... What a pain. =(
[12:34] <Ben64> usually stuff that mentions raspberry pi would work well
[12:35] <croraf> tomreyn I managed to install 18.04.3 with some options and some errors
[12:35] <Ben64> probably $5-10
[12:35] <croraf> tomreyn how can i collect stuff for report, i have no network
[12:35] <jeremy31> toomanyof: you need a rtl8821au driver
[12:35] <tomreyn> croraf: get network
[12:35] <croraf> apport-collect fails
[12:35] <croraf> i have to update kernel for that
[12:36] <croraf> and if i restart i might not be able to boot again
[12:36] <tomreyn> croraf: post the journal for now:  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:36] <jeremy31> toomanyof: like https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au
[12:36] <tomreyn> croraf: ah this wont work without network either
[12:37] <croraf> yes, failed command
[12:37] <toomanyof> Thanks jeremy31, but that was the first one I tried.
[12:37] <toomanyof> The install of the module worked apparently.
[12:37] <croraf> 19.10 and 20.04 will work if boot happens
[12:38] <croraf> because kernel needed is 5.1+
[12:38] <tomreyn> croraf: you can write it to a file    journalctl -b &> /tmp/log     and then copy /tmp/log to some removable storage
[12:38] <toomanyof> But like... nothing else happened after that. No new interface. nothing.
[12:38] <tomreyn> croraf: why do you need to upgrade the kernel to use networking?
[12:38] <tomreyn> croraf: is it a "killer" NIC?
[12:38] <jeremy31> toomanyof: you may have to remove any others installed after that one, for some reason I had to reboot twice after install
[12:39] <croraf> wifi driver requires 5.1+
[12:39] <toomanyof> Ok hold up. Help me through this.
[12:39] <tomreyn> croraf: do you not have ethernet?
[12:39] <croraf> https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/omen-by-hp-17-cb0000-laptop-pc/26122176/document/c06411586
[12:40] <toomanyof> First I'm gonna just get rid of the modules I've installed so I can start anew. Is that just modprobe -r?
[12:40] <croraf> i dont have ether unfort, router doesnt provide
[12:40] <croraf> let me check
[12:40] <jeremy31> toomanyof: I have to go into work soon, can you post at ubuntuforums.org or askununtu.com
[12:40] <toomanyof> Ah shit
[12:41] <toomanyof> Ok
[12:41] <toomanyof> Yeah, I'll do that in a little bit. But thanks for the suggestion!
[12:41] <jeremy31> Chilli555 might post before I di
[12:41] <tomreyn> croraf: i have yet to learn about CPE which doesn't provide a single ethernet interface.
[12:43] <np_complete> but wait guys, why don't I try to find other SDI capturing devices that are better supported in Linux? instead of this Matrox stuff?
[12:45] <tomreyn> np_complete: we do not know this, nor is this a support question.
[12:51] <croraf> tomreyn | I think I managed to setup ethernet :)
[12:51] <tomreyn> croraf: congratulations.
[12:51] <croraf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1852636
[12:52] <croraf> the reporting system made a mess
[12:52] <croraf> in the ticket
[12:53] <tomreyn> it's normal to look like this when apport posts logs, that's ok. you should state these logs are from an 18.04.3 system if that's so.
[12:54] <croraf> i put a note at the end. tomreyn but I saw these reports being in a single comment, not in 20 comments
[12:55] <tomreyn> croraf: that's how this software works, don't concern yourself about it. you should probably install linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge and all pending updates now.
[12:55] <croraf> Don't know what should I do now. Should I persist these options I booted with, so I boot with them every time
[12:56] <croraf> what's that?
[12:56] <croraf> I used 18.04.3 which is latest release
[12:56] <croraf> Downloaded a week ago I think
[12:56] <tomreyn> hmm, the log you posted is that of an installer system, so you're on the live / install system now?
[12:57] <tomreyn> i thought you had said you had already installed.
[12:57] <croraf> hmmm, could be it booted the live version
[12:57] <croraf> It kinda installed but error at the end
[12:57] <croraf> it said something like you wont be able to boot - error
[12:57] <croraf> and it entered this screen
[12:58] <tomreyn> if you're trying to solve problems, you will need to collect error messages precisely
[12:58] <tomreyn> [    0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper only-ubiquity quiet splash nomodeset acpi=off modprobe.blacklist=nouveau ---
[12:58] <croraf> I clicked on send error message, but because of no net it said error and closed and booted on desctop
[12:58] <tomreyn> this is how this system booted, it's a live/installer system
[12:59] <croraf> no way, I was selecting where to install
[12:59] <croraf> along windows system
[12:59] <tomreyn> so i suggest you reinstall, capture the exact error message this time.
[13:00] <tomreyn> be it as a text message (post to paste.ubuntu.com) or a screenshot (post to imgur.com)
[13:01] <croraf> Yes, I have a "intall ubuntu 18.04" icon on the top left
[13:01] <tomreyn> it's possible that using acpi=off prevented you from installing properly.
[13:02] <croraf> Without it it probably crashes during install
[13:02] <tomreyn> the installer kernel is experiecing issueus with the nvme storage you have there
[13:03] <croraf> the bot summarized info at the top what is going on, so no need to write the distro version and other stuff
[13:05] <tomreyn> [    5.002570] nvme 0000:3b:00.0: can't find IRQ for PCI INT A; please try using pci=biosirq
[13:05] <tomreyn> you're right in that it captured this information. it did not capture your reasoning in booting 18.04 rather than 20.04 (which you initially reported) about, though.
[13:06] <croraf> you suggest I try live boot with only pci=biosirq | tomreyn
[13:08] <OerHeks> i find this:  blacklist nouveau blacklist ibm-nouveau options nouveau modeset=0 alias nouveau off alias ibm-nouveau off  blacklist acer_wmi   https://jeanbruenn.info/2018/04/01/omen-hp-with-linux/
[13:09] <croraf> OerHeks so I should try install with these options
[13:09] <croraf> ?
[13:12] <tomreyn> croraf: try booting the 18.04.3 installer using     nomodeset modprobe.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=intel-lpss-pci
[13:13] <OerHeks> croraf, worth a try, like the osi line from #ubuntu+1 .. and reading the whole post, it does not set backlight correctly..
[13:13] <OerHeks> so maybe you have a screen, but no backlight?
[13:13] <np_complete> update about my issue with Matrox, I can confirm there is a release of the driver and SDK that works in ubuntu 18.04 (kernel 4.15), have not tried it yet, but the thing exists.
[13:13] <toomanyof> jeremy31: I love you
[13:14] <toomanyof> I guess I just got carried away with something not working. But clearing everything away and reinstalling the first one worked.
[13:14] <toomanyof> Finally. FINALLY.
[13:14] <toomanyof> Thank you thank you <3
[13:16] <croraf> tomreyn I think i tried that
[13:16] <croraf> You want me to install or try live?
[13:17] <tomreyn> croraf: you already booted live, but you were unable to install for reasons we don't exactly know.
[13:17] <croraf> ok, i can click now on install if you want from live boot
[13:17] <toomanyof> Thanks for helping me as well Ben64 <3
[13:18] <croraf> and there is some error which says like something failed, but you can continue but it might fail
[13:19] <croraf> that something id ubi-partman failed exit code 10
[13:19] <croraf> more info in /var/log/syslog
[13:20] <croraf> i can proceed but it worns me the installation can fail or be broken
[13:21] <tomreyn> croraf: i assume the only storage this computer has installed is the NVME. Which, as shown above, this Ubuntu kernel, if booted with the options you booted with this time (including acpi=no) is unable to handle properly. as such, an installation form this system, booted with this kernel and these existing kernel parameters, is likely not going to ever succeed. so try variations.
[13:22] <behelit> hey guys. fresh install of 18.04 ... run apt-get update and install a couple of packages. everything works great. when i try to run apt-get install postgresql i get "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[13:22] <behelit> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[13:22] <behelit> oops, sorry
[13:22] <behelit> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[13:22] <behelit> or been moved out of Incoming."
[13:22] <behelit> anyway, boils down to `ssl-cert` that cannot be installed.
[13:23] <croraf> tomreyn | how should i proceed now. should I try to boot 20.04 live with the same parameters?
[13:24] <OerHeks> behelit, run: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # this might need a restart
[13:24] <croraf> dont know what is NVME, i have SSD storage
[13:24] <OerHeks> that would explain dependencie issues
[13:24] <OerHeks> !info postgresql
[13:25] <Cheez> nvme is a more recent form of ssd storage, croraf, it connects directly to the pci-x bus.
 croraf: try booting the 18.04.3 installer using     nomodeset modprobe.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=intel-lpss-pci
[13:26] <behelit> OerHeks: what would explain the dep issue?
[13:26] <behelit> OerHeks: would prefer no restart as i'm building an ami with hashicorp packer
[13:27] <OerHeks> behelit, really? good luck then..
[13:28] <behelit> OerHeks: is it a weird thing to not want a  restart to install something as common as posgres?
[13:29] <OerHeks> if you are not up2date, sure, it is weird.
[13:30] <behelit> OerHeks: it's a vanilla ami from canonical, you'd expect it to be up-to-date already.
[13:30] <behelit> builds on top of
[13:31] <tomreyn> croraf: also check your UEFI configuration screens, make sure that 'AHCI mode' or 'NVME mode' is set to 'SATA', not 'RAID'.
[13:31] <behelit> same problem after full-upgrade btw
[13:31] <OerHeks> AMI is not a fresh install then, i have no experience with those VMs.
[13:32] <ioria> behelit, why don't you post the full error ?
[13:32] <behelit> OerHeks: it's a snapshot of 18.04 built 20191113 by canonical. should be fairly up-to-date
[13:33] <behelit> ioria: sure
[13:33] <tomreyn> !paste | behelit
[13:34] <behelit> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RStGj74BSZ/
[13:34] <behelit> tomreyn: thanks
[13:35] <behelit> full list of commands I've run: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hdV8kv5JJF/
[13:35] <ioria> behelit,  apt-cache policy  postgresql-10
[13:35] <behelit> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j9gxTCg2yy/
[13:36] <behelit> if i keep trying to install the deps that are not installed it comes down to ssl-cert
[13:36] <behelit> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VB3J4csm53/
[13:37] <behelit> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7xHB55zshr/
[13:38] <tomreyn> you're missing bionic/main apt repositories
[13:38] <ioria> behelit,  apt-cache policy  ssl-cert
[13:38] <behelit> ioria: that was my last paste
[13:38] <ioria> yep, sy
[13:39] <ioria> behelit,  paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:39] <salamanderrake> Help! My computer randomly hard locks, the screen goes blank (no source) and I have to shut it off at the PSU. What logs, if any, could give me a clue as to whats going on?
[13:40] <behelit> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rVMctcWhwk/
[13:40] <behelit> tomreyn: hmm, ok
[13:41] <behelit> tomreyn: you'd think it would be this line: deb http://eu-north-1a.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted
[13:41] <tomreyn> behelit: yes, it's there, so my guess is that something fails during    apt-get update
[13:42] <behelit> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xmhk4Qvtxp/
[13:43] <OerHeks> look good
[13:44] <tomreyn> behelit: so we need the output again:   apt-cache policy ssl-cert 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:44] <behelit> ll
[13:44] <behelit> kk
[13:45] <behelit> https://termbin.com/pey8
[13:45] <tomreyn> see, it's different now
[13:45] <behelit> but what the ...
[13:45] <tomreyn> ...which suggests that your earlier    apt-get update   did either not really take place, or returned a warnings / error
[13:46] <ioria> that's weird
[13:46] <tomreyn> network errors happen all the time
[13:46] <ioria> behelit,  little test : apt-cache policy apt-cache policy libdmapsharing-3.0-2
[13:46] <behelit> yeah, but pakcer should not continue building the image if i get a non 0 exit code
[13:46] <ioria> behelit,  little test :  apt-cache policy libdmapsharing-3.0-2
[13:47] <behelit> that works fine ioria
[13:48] <ioria> behelit,  ok, net issue then ?
[13:48] <behelit> ioria: tomreyn was correct
[13:49] <behelit> give me a sec to verify
[13:49] <behelit> ioria, tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jgyjcXrHt7/
[13:49] <ioria> behelit, apt update updates the versions, does not make it disapear
[13:50] <tomreyn> salamanderrake: journalctl --list-boots    to identify the boot when it last happened
[13:50] <behelit> it seems like the update still exists with 0, but some things were not updated properly.
[13:50] <behelit> i'll try to get rid of that message somehow and rebuild the ami
[13:51] <tomreyn> behelit: your automation seems to fail to set environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
[13:51] <behelit> tomreyn: yeah
[13:51] <tomreyn> see debconf(7)
[13:52] <behelit> building now, will report in a min
[13:53] <tomreyn> so you're rebuilding AMIs there, which may suggest you actually modified the canonical provided AMI previously, and are thus using a custom system?
[13:54] <tomreyn> if so, that's something you should point out first of all whern seeking support here in the future, thanks.
[13:55] <behelit> tomreyn: i start a canonical vanilla ami, run the update + install, create a snapshot, create a new ami of the snapshot, then i close the old instance
[13:55] <behelit> i have problems after step 1 so that would fall under using a vanilla canonical ami, right?
[13:56] <tomreyn> yes, most likely
[13:56] <behelit> but as it turns out its not a problem with the image but with the way the command is invoked, or its environment really
[13:57] <tomreyn> btw. ubuntu cloud images are supported in #ubuntu-server, i think.
[13:57] <croraf> Cheez tomreyn where can I check this UEFI configuration is set to SATA
[13:57] <croraf> in the bios settings?
[13:57] <behelit> tomreyn: ah, i see
[13:58] <tomreyn> croraf: yes
[13:58] <tomreyn> croraf: though your really have UEFI, not BIOS
[13:58] <tomreyn> which is why i said "UEFI configuration screens"
[13:59] <FurretUber> Is there any new information about 5.3.0-23 failing to boot because it finds no disks?
[14:01] <croraf> tomreyn I dont have this option in the BIOS screen
[14:01] <tomreyn> croraf: then you can ignore it. it was merely a guess, it's hard to tell from here
[14:02] <croraf> sure
[14:02]  * tomreyn bbl
[14:03] <OerHeks> FurretUber, new information? what is your issue here?
[14:03] <behelit> tomreyn, ioria: thanks a lot for the help. should've spotted that myself.
[14:03] <FurretUber> It's this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-edge/+bug/1852664
[14:04] <croraf> tomreyn | well I know I can boot live with acpi=off nomodeset and modeprob.blacklist.nouveau, that's a start :)
[14:04] <croraf> at least 18.04.3 :D
[14:05] <OerHeks> FurretUber, looks like your bios is switched from AHCI to RAID
[14:06] <OerHeks> therefore it cannot find the md table..
[14:06] <croraf> listen this tomreyn, it says i have windows boot manager and ubuntu 18.04.3 on it
[14:06] <FurretUber> But 5.3.0-19 was booting
[14:06] <croraf> i wanted to install again, it looks like install did succeed
[14:06] <croraf> but with error
[14:06] <OerHeks> FurretUber, check the bios, see if there is such option/chnaged?
[14:06] <croraf> I'm gonna try to boot that installation now
[14:07] <croraf> hmmm it boots in windows10, how to boot in ubuntu
[14:07] <FurretUber> My computer's BIOS do not have this option
[14:10] <FurretUber> It also don't detect USB disks, so there is no /dev/sdb too
[14:11] <shutch> hi all. just wondering how i apply this patch https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/339257/?series=69092&rev=1
[14:31] <tomreyn> behelit: you're welcome!
[14:34] <tomreyn> croraf: once again: if the boot loader installation fails, which it does for you, because the version of the linux kernel coming with ubuntu 18.04.3, when booted with the kernel options you supplied, cannot properly access the nvme storage, then the installaiton effectively fails and is not bootable.
[14:37] <pagios> hello, i have a soft RAID1 using mdadm linux, i want to shutdown the machine, should i turn off the raid before shutting down using shutdown -h now ?
[14:39] <tomreyn> pagios: which ubuntu release is this?
[14:39] <pagios> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[14:40] <tomreyn> install the pending upgrades, then systemctl poweroff
[14:41] <tomreyn> a standard ubuntu installation will stop the raid properly before powering the system down.
[14:43] <tomreyn> pagios: how comes you just asked the same question in #debian, though?
[14:44] <pagios> have many servers
[14:45] <tomreyn> ... and ##linux
[15:17] <interrobangd> nemo and nautilus show the colon inside the date column with additional spaces before and behind... bug?
[15:17] <interrobangd> its annoying
[15:30] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[15:30] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am having problems mountint the share on one of my Linux boxes to another
[15:31] <aleksandrdvorkin> the ip address on one machnine is 192.168.1.5 and on the other is 10.0.2.15
[15:31] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am getting an error Operation in progress error
[15:33] <rory> Those are different private network ranges, is there a route between them? ie. do you know these machines can talk to each other? ping etc?
[15:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> rory i can mount the 192.168.1.5 machine to the machine with ip 10.0.2.15
[15:34] <aleksandrdvorkin> but i cannt mount the 10.2.0.15 on the 192.168.1.5 machine
[15:34] <rory> What command or actions are you running to get the Operation in progress error?
[15:35] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t cifs //10.0.2.15/Downloads/ mnt/projectsmac/
[15:35] <tomreyn> is virtualization involved there by chance? is one of them *maybe* a virtualization host and the other a virtualization guest?
[15:35] <aleksandrdvorkin> yes
[15:35] <rory> apologies i have to leave
[15:35] <tomreyn> should you have told us that at the very start?
[15:35] <aleksandrdvorkin> the one with ip 10.2.0.15 is VirtualBox running Ubuntu on Macbook
[15:36] <tomreyn> 10.2.0.15 or 10.0.2.15?
[15:36] <tomreyn> we have two samples of each so far
[15:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> i dont understand the Ip address on the VirtualBox was 192.168.1.2 till yesterday  in the evening it changed to 10.0.2.15 and now i cannt mount the share from 10.0.2.15
[15:39] <aleksandrdvorkin> did the Virtualbox change the IP from 192.168.1.2 to 10.0.2.15 on its own
[15:39] <tomreyn> unlikely.
[15:39] <aleksandrdvorkin> and how can i change to the same network so that i can mount the 10.0.2.15 which Ubuntu on Virtualbox
[15:40] <rfm> aleksandrdvorkin, no, somebody, probably you, changed the vbox networking mode from bridged to nat.  change it back.
[15:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> yes the Ubuntu-Network says ATTACHED TO :naT
[15:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> S i should change to Bridge?
[15:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> to Bridged Adapter?
[15:42] <rfm> alexandre9099, if you want to get a 192.168.1.x address (from your router) you want bridged
[15:42] <aleksandrdvorkin> well i changed it but the ip from the ifconfig still shows 10.0.2.15
[15:42] <aleksandrdvorkin> do i need to restart virtualbox
[15:44] <OerHeks> mac-virtualbox issue indeed
[15:44] <aleksandrdvorkin> but i am sure i did not change the network setting from Bridge to Nat
[15:45] <aleksandrdvorkin> ok ip back to normal
[15:45] <aleksandrdvorkin> after VB restart
[15:46] <aleksandrdvorkin> rfm thanks
[15:47] <OerHeks> have fun!
[15:56] <FurretUber> I'm trying to calibrate a touchscreen. I got most of it right, but in the region where X is the middle (around 2048) and Y is above the half (around 2048), some distortion happens
[15:57] <FurretUber> Is there a way to create coordinates specific to that problematic region in the screen
[16:47] <knstn> Hello. 18.04 lts I changed the dns servers in network manager gui, but /etc/resolv.conf remains unchanged. inside there says to check "systemd-resolved --status". that shows me the new dns servers in use, but when i "dig google.com" i get the one in /etc/resolv.conf as in use.
[16:48] <kxsl> toggle the connection off/on
[16:49] <knstn> Hmm, i rebooted. No change.
[16:49] <FurretUber> OerH
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber: can we help you?
[16:50] <FurretUber> OerHeks: by dmesg output, the disk is in AHCI mode (BIOS has no option to change)
[16:50] <FurretUber> It was fat fingers :p my computer can't boot with latest kernel (5.3.0-23)
[16:51] <FurretUber> Because it detects no disks, initramfs shell shows no /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or any of their partitions
[16:57] <FurretUber> I will try to reproduce this on a virtual machine
[16:58] <dcimer> I’m using Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS ... My unity panel, unity files daemon, and other interface items get frozen ... how do I restart just those without killing x and preserving by windows?
[17:19] <croraf> how can I make a bootable fedora usb from iso, on ubuntu?
[17:23] <OerHeks> croraf, really, you cannot find such simple info?
[17:23] <kxsl> how do fedora's instructions say to do it? i can't imagine it's something ubuntu can't do
[17:24] <kxsl> probably use gnome disks or dd
[17:24] <OerHeks> tell us what you have found sofar
[17:24] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:29] <AndikaSagala> croraf: download the ISO files. then in unix terminal console type: "dd if=yourfilesof.iso of=path/to/burn/of/your/USB/drive sync=value of your sysnc,sample 1M
[17:30] <AndikaSagala> croraf: download the ISO files. then in unix terminal console type: "dd if=yourfilesof.iso of=path/to/burn/of/your/USB/drive sync=value of your sysnc,sample 1M"
[17:30] <aHoo> E: Package 'aptitude' has no installation candidate
[17:31] <OerHeks> !info aptitude
[17:31] <aHoo> i'm coming from debian and am wondering there are no packages for aptitude?
[17:31] <OerHeks> sure, but enable universe in your sources
[17:32] <aHoo> branch name only added to existing line ya?
[17:32] <OerHeks> just use the update menu
[17:33] <aHoo> thanks that worked fine
[17:33] <aHoo> may jah bless ya
[17:34] <OerHeks> have fun!
[17:35] <croraf> AndikaSagala | I heard using dd is risky, and can also lead to partially written images
[17:36] <knstn> I checked online for the dns issue. What they have done there??? Network manager, systemd-resolve, netplan.... systemd-resolve --status and NM have the correct dns. /etc/resolv.conf and dig the old one...
[17:36] <OerHeks> not with 'sync' at the end
[17:36] <AndikaSagala> linux provided another tools too. disk manager
[17:37] <OerHeks> standard usb creator works fine too
[17:40] <OerHeks> when people claim 'i heard'.. check your sources
[17:41] <croraf> I made Mageia linux disk with Disks application, with restore image, is this possible with Fedora also?
[17:41] <croraf> OerHeks AndikaSagala
[17:41] <AndikaSagala> then use Windows OS
[17:42] <AndikaSagala> use the virtual machine to virt the Windows OS. then use this software original by fedora https://getfedora.org/fmw/FedoraMediaWriter-win32-4.1.4.exe
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> knstn: While systemd-resolved is running... /etc/rsolv.conf is not used
[17:43] <aHoo> why can't i find a netselect package?
[17:48] <knstn> pragmaticenigma: ok, understood. i read the manual. but when i "dig google.com" my dns isn't "1.1.1.1" from cloudflare, but the one in "/etc/resolv.conf"
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> knstn: what is the ip address that you are seeing?
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> !info speedometer | aHoo, try
[17:50] <croraf> AndikaSagala I tried ubuntu Disks application but didnt go well. I installed Etcher now 100MB, to do that, as per google answers. Seemed innelegant solution
[17:50] <knstn> the one in /etc/resolv.conf --> 127.0.0.53 ... omg, it's a stub?
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> knstn: Not sure what you mean by stub, but yes, it is a loopback
[17:51] <knstn> So i guess, i'm good
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> knstn: Yep, systemd-resolved binds to that address by default for legacy applications that continue to look at /etc/resolv.conf for a dns listing
[18:04] <AndikaSagala> come to #debian
[18:05] <AndikaSagala> ask it over there. if you can't find the solution, come to #linux
[18:06] <OerHeks> AndikaSagala, please don't. thanks
[18:06] <dentalfloss> Hey guys... I'm trying to figure out how GNOME decides which icon to apply by default to the home folders (e.g. when I apply a theme, it automatically applies custom folder icons to ~/Pictures, ~/Documents, etc.). I'd like to be able to have an icon applied by default to ~/Development (not just assigning a custom icon in the current theme)
[18:09] <OerHeks> dentalfloss, open properties of that folder, and click on the icon, just find the icon you want in /usr/share/icons/ ~
[18:11] <dentalfloss> Right, but if I do that and then change the theme, the icon won't change since it has been assigned manually. I'm curious where the list of default home folders is connected with which default theme icon they should get
[18:11] <dentalfloss> :-)
[18:12] <OerHeks> it must be in there too?
[18:12] <OerHeks> 'ordinairy' folder that is
[18:13] <dentalfloss> @OerHeks in where, sorry?
[18:16] <EriC^> dentalfloss: i think that's a function of your filemanager
[18:16] <EriC^> nevermind
[18:18] <OerHeks> dentalfloss, found it, /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places/48
[18:19] <OerHeks> Humanity is used for standard folders and such
[18:23] <dentalfloss> @OerHeks Thanks! Those are the default icons, but it's not clear to me how they are being assigned to the actual folders in the home directory
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> dentalfloss: The Documents, Videos, etc folders are hard coded that way... there is no automatic assingment
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> dentalfloss: If you are looking to set a different folder to be your "videos" folder, you can use the "xdg-user-dirs-update" command to change which folder is registered as the Videos directory
[18:51] <rfm> .300000
[18:52] <EdFletcherT137> 3.14159
[18:55] <Battle> hello all, should i be worried about this: https://pastebin.com/zqUJXmyL
[18:55] <sarnold> Battle: no
[18:55] <Battle> okay good
[18:56] <sarnold> I haven't got a clue why it happens but I've seen it before and never noticed ill consequences :)
[18:58] <Battle> oh okay, thats fine then
[18:58] <Battle> was worried there was some kind of hardware issue for a sec there lol
[19:02] <sarnold> hmm funny, I don't spot it my 'single drive' devices, but my machine with multiple drives has a lot more of it than I expected
[19:02] <sarnold> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PjyWmxTx7N/
[19:02] <sarnold> overlapping between nvme and expander..
[19:02] <sarnold> weird
[19:06] <ioria> dentalfloss, if you are still interested : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_user_directories
[19:23] <sentiment> hi. I need to change the agpmode of the radeon module. I have added the parameter to a newly created radeon.conf file in /etc/modprob.d directory.
[19:23] <sentiment> is that the correct procedure?
[19:26] <OerHeks> sentiment, correct, preferrably in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon.conf
[19:27] <sentiment> thx :-)
[19:27] <OerHeks> ^mind the e in modprobe - typo
[19:28] <sentiment> yeah got it
[19:28] <OerHeks> have fun!
[19:33] <dentalfloss> @ioria and @pragmaticenigma Huge thank you!!
[19:34] <ioria> dentalfloss, no problem
[19:34] <mwo> How/Where do I tell cloud-init of a new hostname for a machine?  Everything I've tried has resulted in cloud-init reverting to the old hostname.  I've found suggestions to set "preserve_hostname" to true in cloud.cfg, and to disable cloud-init completely, but I'm trying to figure out how to do it the "cloud-init way".  Thanks.
[19:34] <sarnold> mwo: are you supplying user data to the instacce?
[19:35] <ioria> mwo, First edit /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and set the parameter "preserve_hostname" from "false" to "true"
[19:35] <ioria> mwo, sorry :þ
[19:36] <mwo> sarnold: I'm not sure.  I just ran the ubuntu installer and now I want to change the hostname on a bunch of clones of that system.  I saw that the hostname ends up in some user-data files.  I tried editing those but they get reverted.
[19:37] <sarnold> mwo: aha so probably ioria's approach is the one to start with
[19:37] <mwo> Isn't that basically sidestepping cloud-init?
[19:39] <sarnold> mwo: yeah, but if you're not providing a unique user-data config to each instance, it's probably less friction to head that way. you could of course start supplying user-data to each instance
[19:56] <mwo> Thanks, I'll run with that for now.
[19:57] <shivaya> hi folks, i am trying to set up MTU on an interface using netplan on latest LTS and it doesn't take it. is there anything else that I need to do apart from editing /etc/netplan/*.yaml file?
[19:57] <BlueProtoman> How can I disable the sound made when my laptop's charger is connected or disconnected?  I don't want to mute all system sounds, just these two in particular.
[19:58] <sarnold> shivaya: did you get any messages from netplan generate or netplan apply? anything in the logs?
[19:59] <shivaya> no messages when I run netplan commands. nothing in syslog or kern.log regarding mtu either
[19:59] <ioria> BlueProtoman, check power-plug.oga in  /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/
[19:59] <shivaya> i tried rebooting as well but mtu is still not applied
[20:00] <ioria> BlueProtoman, and power-unplug.oga obviously
[20:00] <BlueProtoman> ioria: Ah, thank you.  Is there some standard tool I can use to change them, or do I just have to remove the symlinks?
[20:02] <ioria> BlueProtoman, try to symply backup them
[20:02] <BlueProtoman> ioria: What, mv them first then delete them?
[20:02] <BlueProtoman> Or are you referring to a specific program?
[20:03] <ioria> BlueProtoman, nope, just mv power-unplug.oga device-added.oga.back
[20:03] <BlueProtoman> ioria: Gotcha.  Thank you.
[20:03] <ioria> np
[20:06] <ioria> shivaya, have you tried with 'sudo ip link set dev <iface> mtu <value>'  ?
[20:11] <shivaya> ioria: that works but i wanna keep it after reboot
[20:11] <shivaya> ioria: i can also set it with good old ifconfig. but wondering why netplan is not working as intended
[20:12] <ioria> shivaya, it should work (according to this : https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-bionic-netplan )
[20:13] <shivaya> ioria: i know that's why i am here :)
[20:13] <shivaya> ioria: i found https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1807273 but it's from last year
[20:14] <ioria> shivaya, i see, but it's 'FIXED'
[20:16] <sarnold> shivaya: it sounds like you've covered enough of the basics to file a new bug report; ubuntu-bug netplan -- try to provide the same information in your bug report as this one has
[20:16] <sarnold> shivaya: and mention this bug number as possibly related in the description
[20:16] <ioria> shivaya, or use macaddress:
[20:16] <shivaya> https://termbin.com/sypq
[20:16] <shivaya> this is my config
[20:17] <shivaya> very simple
[20:17] <shivaya> i will, wasn't sure if this was bug or i missed something
[20:18] <shivaya> HA that worked ioria. when i added macaddress stanza it works
[20:18] <shivaya> thank you!!
[20:19] <ioria> shivaya, good job
[20:19] <sarnold> waaaaaaat
[20:19] <shivaya> not sure if this is "bug" though :)
[20:19] <sarnold> I think it's still worth a bug report :)
[20:20] <sarnold> it might be closed as "works as intened" or "apparently not a big deal" but it at least deserves a look ;)
[20:20] <shivaya> true that. ok will submit it for others
[20:20] <shivaya> thanks again folks!
[20:21] <ioria> np
[20:24] <diverdude> Hi, I am trying to install sendmail but getting this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMQxYkbX2M/   Why is this error coming?
[20:25] <sarnold> diverdude: do you have universe configured in your apt sources?
[20:26] <diverdude> sarnold: im not sure. how do i see that?
[20:26] <sarnold> diverdude: apt policy | grep universe   is a decent start point
[20:27] <willc> I'm not sure if this is an ubuntu or mysql problem; I'm inclined to think Ubuntu. Someone contacted me to tell me the fubarred their server config and that mysql wouldn't boot. Running journalctl -xe shows that apparmor wouldn't boot.
[20:28] <diverdude> sarnold: that gives me this output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8Jy8RTjKGP/
[20:29] <willc> looking at permissions /var/lib/mysql had the wrong user associated
[20:30] <sarnold> diverdude: try add-apt-repository universe
[20:31] <willc> it appears they ran chown on the entire /var/lib dir
[20:32] <diverdude> sarnold: bash: add-apt-repository: command not found
[20:33] <sarnold> willc: that can certainly be someone's first initial response if they don't understand what they are seeing
[20:33] <sarnold> diverdude: dang. I thought that one was installed everywhere by default..
[20:33] <ioria> diverdude, what ubuntu are you running ?
[20:34] <diverdude> ioria: hmm im not sure actually. i thought it was ubuntu but maybe i am wron
[20:34] <sarnold> diverdude: the 'easy way to keep going is apt install software-properties-common then try again; or you could add universe pocket to your apt sources by hand in /etc/apt/
[20:35] <OerHeks> add-apt-repository is standard..
[20:36] <EdFletcherT137> ~.~.
[20:38] <diverdude> ioria: its ubuntu 16.04. i just confirmed that using cat /etc/*release
[20:40] <leeijaw> I removed fcitx and hoped ibus can save me. But to no avail, ibus has a lot of its own problems.
[20:41] <leeijaw> Even worse than a broken fcitx.
[20:42] <leeijaw> And I am losing sleep for this. Spend 12 hours for nothing.
[20:42] <OerHeks> leeijaw, didn't i gave you a howto lately??
[20:42] <OerHeks> oh
[20:43] <ioria> diverdude, you need to enable  the 'universe' repo; we don't know why it's not already enabled, i suggest you check your sources.list
[21:08] <coffeecow> Hey does anyone know if deja-dup uses your SSH key for backups even locally?
[21:12] <coffeecow> another question: is there any reason to use keepassxc over gnome keyring (seahorse)?
[21:14] <ytf0rd> hello
[21:14] <ytf0rd> I have this problem what do I do
[21:15] <ytf0rd> my apt is messed up
[21:15] <ytf0rd> ?
[21:15] <ytf0rd> ?
[21:15] <ytf0rd> ?
[21:15] <ytf0rd> ?
[21:16] <ytf0rd> hello
[21:16] <ytf0rd> I need help
[21:17] <bprompt> ytf0rd:  "my apt is messed up" is not quite very descriptive though
[21:17] <Stevwills> true that
[21:17] <Stevwills> does it say something to the likes of broken package or something??
[21:18] <ytf0rd> my apt says not found
[21:18] <ytf0rd> and it says something in vim
[21:18] <ytf0rd> this is what it looks like https://imgur.com/a/lJA47HV
[21:18] <ytf0rd> help me
[21:18] <lordcirth> !paste | ytf0rd
[21:19] <ytf0rd> its only a few lines like this https://imgur.com/a/lJA47HV
[21:19] <lordcirth> !ops NSFW link by ytf0rd
[21:19] <lordcirth> !ops | NSFW link by ytf0rd
[21:20] <ytf0rd> what do I do help me
[21:24] <ph88> what's the go-to recommended filesystem for ubuntu ?
[21:25] <lordcirth> ph88, ext4 is standard for the root fs.
[21:25] <ph88> ok
[21:26] <smev81> Ubuntu 19.10 replaced my Windows-Bootloader (UeFI).. I wanted to install Ubuntu and start from a usb drive, but the installer went ahead and changed EFI entries in the EFI partition of my harddrive. Easy Fix and is that supposed to happen? I think I experiendced this with the last installer as well..
[21:42] <lordcirth> smev81, if you choose the automatic install, it will normally set the bootloader to be grub, and autodetect Windows to add it to grub. Do you not have a Windows boot entry?
[21:43] <ph88> how can i get /dev/nvme0n1p4 to show up ask partition in nautilus ?
[21:44] <lordcirth> ph88, did you format it with ext4?
[21:44] <ph88> yes
[21:45] <smev81> I have a windows boot entry. I wanted grub on the usb stick and that the windows boot manager remains untouched. For me this is what an insallation on a stick is suppused to do. To boot from the stick not from the harddisk
[21:45] <lordcirth> smev81, then you probably should have selected the stick as the bootloader device.
[21:46] <smev81> There was not choice. I choose to replace my whole usb stick and install ubuntu there.
[21:46] <ph88> oh i see it now .. i have another question though ... i have a new SSD with 256 MB efi partition and windows installed onto it. Then for the remaining space i cloned my existing ubuntu installation. How can i install GRUB onto my new drive? Atm when i boot this drive it goes automatically to windows
[21:47] <lordcirth> smev81, and it installed Ubuntu to the USB stick, and Grub to the hard drive? Are you sure you didn't install to the hard drive?
[21:47] <lordcirth> Hmm, perhaps it autodetects the boot device now
[21:47] <smev81> I am very sure.
[21:49] <smev81> Without my usb drive plugged in I can no longer boot my Laptop. (Grub "CMD"). But Ubuntu is installed on the USB and Grub is installed to the harddrive
[21:50] <lordcirth> smev81, Ok, so I think that the installer now autodetects what drive is set as the boot device, and puts Grub there. Anyway, your Grub works, right? It is probably not worth trying to change it, but if you want, you should be able to get Windows to repair it's bootloader, then install to the USB, not using the automatic installer, and pick the USB for grub.
[21:50] <lordcirth> Ah, it no longer boots without the stick, ok
[21:51] <smev81> I think I can fix all of it in the long run. But this is a very nasty bug for a beginner who wants to try out ubuntu installed onto a stick
[21:52] <lordcirth> I suppose so. I have not used the automatic installer in a long time, as I haven't had a simple drive setup in a long time. Except in VMs
[22:01] <smev81> ph88 No wiki page to repair grub?
[22:03] <smev81> This might do it, but I normally fiddel with archlinux: https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition
[22:03] <Gallomimia> i really really need to figure out why my audio freezes every 10 seconds while playing a youtube video
[22:03] <Gallomimia> and also sometimes when playing songs in rhythm box
[22:04] <Gallomimia> that's just not acceptable. the 1990's called. they want their problems back
[22:05] <Gallomimia> i've tried renicing the firefox and webcontent processes to -2 but it doesn't help
[22:07] <smev81> What about logs Gallominia? start firefox from terminal? Is dmesg helpful?
[22:08] <Gallomimia> hmmm dmesg shows a ton of DENIED by apparmor for discord
[22:09] <Gallomimia> so, helpful to me? no... but could be a hint at some other issue
[22:09] <smev81> because discord is a snap. <- wild guess
[22:09] <Gallomimia> yes well
[22:09] <Gallomimia> everyone says its in the repos but
[22:09] <Gallomimia> i don't see it
[22:10] <smev81> Nothing besides apparmor? And what happens when you start firefox from terminal and play videos? Have you tried reading logs with journalctl?
[22:12] <Gallomimia> i did try reading logs awhile ago with journalctl. got to 5500 lines and quit
[22:12] <Gallomimia> i've never found "reading logs" to be useful because i never know where to look. there's just too many
[22:12] <Gallomimia> i will run ffx thru terminal now
[22:12] <smev81> Yeah. I found it useful to filter dmesg and journalctl for errors and warnings
[22:13] <Gallomimia> and uh... what would i type to do so?
[22:14] <smev81> journalctl -p err -b <- for example "err" for errors and -b for last boot
[22:14] <smev81> There is also "-p crit"
[22:15] <smev81> "-p warning"
[22:15] <Gallomimia> hm...
[22:15] <Gallomimia> about 10 lines, not sure if any of that is relevant
[22:16] <Gallomimia> can't find sendmail.... i wonder
[22:16] <smev81> you can even set a "time slice" for the log output: --since "2015-01-10" --until "2015-01-11 03:00"
[22:17] <Gallomimia> https://pastebin.com/M9vhTd62
[22:17] <Gallomimia> alright does that make any sense?
[22:17] <Gallomimia> also. what can i do about such things?
[22:17] <Gallomimia> it's very possible my system is limping along, and this is just a symptom
[22:18] <ph88> smev81, grub was never installed on the new disk
[22:19] <smev81> As far as I understand the commands, it will install it regardless if it has been installed or not..
[22:19] <smev81> *ph88
[22:19] <Gallomimia> i also find it rather frustrating that netflix plays fine but put on a music video and it skips like a broken CD
[22:20] <ph88> smev81, when will it be installed ?
[22:20] <Gallomimia> what disc are you installing grub on?
[22:20] <smev81> ph88 if you follow the instructions in the link I provided (to my understanding)
[22:20] <ph88> oh didn't see your link
[22:21] <smev81> https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition
[22:21] <Gallomimia> installing grub is one of the things i struggle with
[22:21] <Gallomimia> ahhhh i might need this
[22:21] <smev81> be careful
[22:21] <smev81> You can damage efi I was warned when I did stuff like that
[22:21] <Gallomimia> the last time i repaired my boot process, i goofed up and put the EFI where the grub should be. i have two small partitions reserved at the start of my disk, and can't move the raid member
[22:22] <Gallomimia> at the very least you should keep a liveUSB bootable handy
[22:22] <smev81> Grub was easier on mbr/bios..
[22:23] <Gallomimia> yes well, old technology that can't support tb disks
[22:23] <Gallomimia>  >> /dev/null
[22:23] <ph88> smev81, in this step `sudo mount /dev/sdXX /mnt/boot/efi`  what should be /dev/sdXX ?
[22:23] <smev81> That depends on your partition layout
[22:23] <Gallomimia> a letter and a number. the one that your efi partition is
[22:23] <Gallomimia> easy to find out in the Disks app
[22:23] <ph88> should it be the  efi partition or the ubuntu partition ?
[22:23] <smev81> it should be the partition where efi is in
[22:23] <ph88> oh efi partition ok
[22:24] <smev81> Does music stuter as well, Gallomimia?
[22:24] <smev81> *stutter
[22:24] <ph88> i get   mount: /mnt/boot/efi: mount point does not exist
[22:25] <smev81> These instructions seem to be for booting from live usb
[22:25] <Gallomimia> sometimes, in rhytmbox it stutters... but that's usually when there's something else going on in the system
[22:25] <Gallomimia> a renice tends to fix that
[22:25] <ph88> smev81, i'm booting from ubuntu from another disk
[22:26] <Gallomimia> another strange thing... the stuttering seems to settle down a little
[22:26] <Gallomimia> as tiem goes on
[22:26] <smev81> so you are in another ubuntu, but you want to install grub from the ubuntu on the other disk, ph88?
[22:26] <Gallomimia> i smell a chroot coming
[22:27] <ph88> i have two disks, the old one has windows + ubuntu (where i'm booted now). The new one also has windows +  ubuntu but needs grub
[22:27] <smev81> Ok. You either have to use grub to boot into the "new" ubuntu manually once or use chroot for all that I know
[22:27] <ph88> the windows installation was fresh installed. The ubuntu installation i cloned with clonezilla
[22:28] <ph88> i already mounted the new ubuntu partition from the old one .. i can use chroot i think
[22:28] <ph88> just the second mount command for the efi partition doesn't work
[22:28] <Gallomimia> well, you might be able to just grub-install /dev/sdb
[22:29] <Gallomimia> but it's very likely better to start with a chroot
[22:29] <ph88> i'm trying to follow this here  https://askubuntu.com/a/831241/231084
[22:29] <Gallomimia> inside the chroot, grub-install will pick files and details from your new drive
[22:30] <ph88> new drive ubuntu was never booted before .. stuff on there is from old drive cloned
[22:30] <smev81> Is there a folder on your "new" ubuntu /boot/efi?
[22:30] <ph88> no
[22:30] <Gallomimia> maybe you should clone that partition too
[22:30] <smev81> Your old system was with bios not efi?
[22:30] <ph88> i think old drive was without efi
[22:31] <smev81> So the old installation was an installation on a "non-efi" system
[22:31] <ph88> the system hardware supported efi, but i think i didn't use efi but legacy bios
[22:31] <smev81> I see
[22:31] <ph88> for new drive i started making an efi partition of 256MB myself and then installed windows, then cloned ubuntu from old disk
[22:32] <smev81> This is why there probably is no folder..
[22:32] <ph88> yes
[22:32] <smev81> The installer install grub-bios and now you need grub-efi
[22:32] <ph88> yes
[22:32] <Gallomimia> on that subject, what is a 256mb efi partion.. er, what filesystem should it be?
[22:32] <Gallomimia> i have to twiddle with mine rn
[22:32] <ph88> FAT32 afaik
[22:33] <ph88> with esp and boot flag
[22:33] <Gallomimia> i thought it was more like... fat16
[22:33] <smev81> I am unsure which way to go. Either 1. chroot 2. install bios and efibootmgr 3. mount efi partition
[22:33] <ph88> why is mounting efi partition not succeeding ?
[22:33] <smev81> or 1. mkdir /mnt/boot/efi 2. chroot 3. intall gruf-efi and efibootmgr
[22:34] <smev81> I thought there was no folder to mount to
[22:34] <ph88> oh i take second alternative then  .. sounds much better than that step "install bios"
[22:34] <ph88> didn't know i had to make a folder before mounting ..
[22:34] <smev81> if you do an ls /mnt/boot, is there efi in there?
[22:34] <ph88> no
[22:34] <smev81> sorry 2. install grub-efi not install bios
[22:34] <smev81> getting late in my time zone
[22:35] <smev81> then as root mkdir /mnt/boot/efi and repeat the mount command
[22:35] <ph88> maybe first make dir, then mount efi partition, then install grub-efi ??
[22:35] <smev81> yeah. Thats my guess as well
[22:35] <ph88> maybe first make dir, then mount efi partition, then chroot, then install grub-efi ??
[22:36] <smev81> oh yeah chrooting of course before installing grub-efi
[22:36] <ph88> what's this step for?   for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[22:36] <smev81> it might fail because you will probably not have booted in EFI-Mode
[22:37] <ph88> true
[22:38] <smev81> You can test this : mount | grep efivars
[22:38] <smev81> efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs (ro,relatime)
[22:38] <smev81> should be output
[22:38] <jeremy31> ph88: or you can check>  mokutil --sb-state
[22:38] <ph88> nothing when i do     mount | grep efivars
[22:39] <smev81> If it is not, you have to boot in Efi-Mode from live-usb and mount, chroot, install
[22:39] <ph88> zsh: command not found: mokutil
[22:39] <ph88> so only ubuntu installation that has booted of efi can install efi grub on another disk ..
[22:39] <smev81> unfortunatly: live-usb
[22:40] <ph88> ok i'll go boot from live cd then
[22:40] <smev81> To my knowledge, it has to be efi mode. But I am not an expert. I just made some experiences with gentoo and archlinux
[22:40] <Gallomimia> i'm no expert either but it sounds about right
[22:41] <ph88> thanks guys
[22:41] <ph88> see ya later
[22:42] <jeremy31> ph88: when booting do you see a text screen with Grub or more of a graphical screen that says Ubuntu will boot in 10 seconds?
[22:42] <smev81> yw bye
[22:42] <ph88> i see grub when i boot from old disk
[22:42] <ph88> new disk doesn't have grub
[22:42] <jeremy31> ph88: what about Live?
[22:42] <ph88> Live i'm going to try now ;)
[22:43] <smev81> Gallomimia. Good luck with your sound. I have to do some rebooting and installing as well.
[22:43] <Gallomimia> i think it's something deeper than that
[22:43] <Stevwills> might be other bootloader???
[22:43] <Gallomimia> not just the sound, but the whole program hangs. very annoying when listening to loud music videos
[22:44] <Stevwills> sudo grub-install dev/whatever
[22:44] <smev81> For me it always was gnome and graphic drivers
[22:44] <smev81> on nvidia it sucked and it does on my amdgpu
[22:45] <smev81> Desktop is very slow and unresponsive or even freezes
[22:45] <smev81> But who knows..
[22:45] <Gallomimia> yes. i need to update to new nvidia drivers, but i must fix my swapped EFI and /boot partitions. can't install new kernels because /boot is 255mb and not the 1gb i set aside originally
[22:46] <Gallomimia> meanwhile EFI is swimming in a 1gb partition
[22:46] <smev81> If you want to mess around, install xfce or xubuntu on stick and look if it makes a difference
[22:46] <sarnold> oww
[22:46] <smev81> Messy enough i suppose
[22:47] <Stevwills> nvidia cards are usually fine in linux as long as you install the nvidia driver from nvidia.
[22:47] <Stevwills> same with amd.
[22:48] <sarnold> and your card is new enough that they still support it
[22:48] <sarnold> I've heard they are fairly agressive about ending support
[22:49] <Stevwills> dunno to be honest.
[22:49] <Gallomimia> when i had an AMD card, it was not the case
[22:49] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: Unless you have a source directly from the manufacture, it isn't true. People say a lot of things to anyone that will listen
[22:49] <sarnold> pragmaticenigma: just what I've picked up from irc
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> far as drivers go, yes, at a certain point the proprietary drivers aren't tuned to older cards. Usually that happens when the features of the older card are covered by the open source driver set
[22:50] <Stevwills> well amd cards have 2 drivers that work well. the amd open source amd driver and the more complete closed sourced one from amd
[22:51] <Stevwills> of course there is nouveau, i have not tried it with amd though i have an nvidia card and never had any issues with it in linux gtx970
[22:52] <Stevwills> but nouveau with nvidia leaves a lot to be desired. if you want performance with amd  you are better off with the closed source drivers
[22:53] <MrGizmo757> I have a problem with my AMD GPU.  it an RX570.  Ubuntu 18.04 will boot and run just fine from a Live CD. But the moment i install it to real hardware is wont boot. I just get a blank screen with a blinking cursor. I've tried other versions of Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, And Manjaro. All of them do the same thing. Any ideas?
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: When installing, are you checking the box to install the proprietary drivers? Can you load grub by holding down the shift key on boot?
[22:59] <pragmaticenigma> Stevwills: If you like, you can find me in the #ubuntu-discuss channel to keep talking about graphics drivers
[23:02] <tortal> cannot ssh into a particular machine.. probably some configuraiton i have messed up. but i dont know here.. .ssh/config i outcommented... i have checked my /etc/hosts.... where more to check ? especially if i type the full ssh command ($ ssh uname@hostname -p xxxx)) ... also reinstalled with purge ssh client
[23:03] <sarnold> what error do you get?
[23:03] <tortal> thing is this is guest machine with NAT.. so putty works fine in the host machine... also filezilla works in the _guest_ machine.
[23:03] <tortal> connection reset.. after som 10 seconds
[23:04] <tortal> reset by (IP ADDR)
[23:04] <tortal> correct Ip as well
[23:04] <sarnold> can you ping it the IP?
[23:04] <sarnold> sigh. I can't english any more
[23:05] <sarnold> if you use nc ip 22  do you see the ssh banner?
[23:05] <tortal> yup
[23:07] <tortal> ---SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3
[23:07] <tortal> so yes
[23:07] <tortal> it is not on port 22
[23:07] <tortal> and filezila works fine
[23:07] <tortal> SFTP that is
[23:08] <tortal> it uses identity file.. but shouldnt be relevant
[23:09] <tortal> $ host IP. resolves correctly
[23:09] <sarnold> openssh 5.3? are you sure that's the right system? that's over ten years old
[23:10] <tortal> yeah i know...
[23:10] <tortal> it is the correct one :D
[23:10] <sarnold> well, at least that's one way to be sure .. heh
[23:10] <sarnold> can you read logs on that system? I wonder if it's too old for the crypto supported by the new stuff, and the new stuff refuses to use crypto old enough for the old one..
[23:11] <tortal> we are migrating to the cloud... and it is running php 5.2 stuff... my task is to micro-service the whole code base into kubernetes. LOL
[23:11] <sarnold> try increasing verbosity on your ssh command
[23:11] <tortal> well.. i COULD ssh into this system some weeks ago
[23:11] <tortal> i fokked up ssh somehow
[23:11] <tortal> smart
[23:11] <sarnold> the client can only dump out so much about what goes wrong though :(
[23:12] <sarnold> the server logs can be far more useful but if that's the thing you can't get into except via ssh... that's not fun
[23:12] <ph88> hello
[23:13] <Greenfrog> after a resent update my sound immediatly became choppy i have searched the internet and found no answers can you help? no help can upi
[23:14] <Greenfrog> you help?
[23:14] <ph88> hello
[23:14] <ph88> i'm trying to install grub efi from live cd. I get some error can somebody help ?  https://bpaste.net/show/ARTRS
[23:17] <tortal> there we go: https://pastebin.com/p3LrdVVc
[23:18] <tortal> well i can get in.. through the host machine, putty
[23:18] <tortal> so i could se server logs
[23:18] <tortal> see*... i just messsed my config files somehow.. for that particular host
[23:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi just a question if i am trying to mount the Ubuntu drive to my Macbook
[23:19] <pragmaticenigma> considering such a difference in versions for SSH... did you by chance restrict which ciphers/ssh protocols that are enabled/disabled?
[23:20] <aleksandrdvorkin> i issue the command from Macbook console
[23:20] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.5/Downloads /System/Volumes/Data/mnt
[23:20] <tortal> from server-side ? hmmm... really dont think so.. especially since i dont know how
[23:21] <pragmaticenigma> tortal: can be done client side too
[23:21] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | aleksandrdvorkin
[23:21] <tortal> well... still. i purged ssh client installation
[23:22] <genii> aleksandrdvorkin: Since both your machines are running *nix I'm not sure why you don't use NFS instead
[23:22] <sarnold> tortal: you get the reset instantly after sending a 3072 bit long DH key; I wonder how you can select something like 1024 bit dh or use an rsa kex or similar.. I really haven't fiddled with this much, all my machines are always about the same age :/
[23:22] <tortal> also it would show in https://pastebin.com/p3LrdVVc wouldnt it ?
[23:22] <aleksandrdvorkin> i get an error mount: exec  /Library/Filesystems/cifs.fs/Content/Resources/mount_cifs for /System/Volumes/Data/mnt: No such file or directory
[23:23] <sarnold> aleksandrdvorkin: does /System/Volumes/Data/mnt exist?
[23:23] <aleksandrdvorkin> i can change to it directory by directory
[23:23] <tortal> what is wrong with a 3072 but DH ?
[23:23] <tortal> also, putty works
[23:23] <tortal> and it worked before on the same ubuntu machine
[23:24] <sarnold> tortal: 1024bits was the usual standard for DH until this https://weakdh.org/
[23:24] <Greenfrog> hello? did anyone see my post?
[23:25] <sarnold> Greenfrog: yes, I just have no idea about sound things, sorry
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: Basic *nix computing means you should check that you have the directory at that mount path, and that your user has permissions to access that folder. Unfortunately that's all the help this channel can really offer. MacOS is not supported here. you should seek out a Macintosh forum for further assistance with mount remote file shares
[23:25] <tortal> old server.. very old....
[23:25] <Greenfrog> ok thanks for the response
[23:25] <tortal> i could change that.. but we are moving away from it anyway
[23:25] <aleksandrdvorkin> ok
[23:26] <tortal> until i joined the company they didnt have https, not even for hte login prompt at the web portal
[23:26] <tortal> can you imagine ?
[23:27] <tortal> and the number of attack vectors were insanse
[23:27] <tortal> insane*--- sql injections for kids... mysql port open and free etc.
[23:27] <sarnold> tortal: oof :) good thing someone is tending to this poor ancient machine
[23:27] <tortal> thx ^^
[23:28] <MrGizmo757> Pragmaticenigma:  Sorry. I steped away for a min. Yes to the first question, and No to the second
[23:28] <tortal> techincally you could block the whole system,,, a kind of DdoS with ONE computer
[23:28] <sarnold> tortal: hmm this suggests there should be pretty error messages on mismatching options https://www.openssh.com/legacy.html
[23:29] <tortal> since anybody could block ports.. which then IoT needed to connect to
[23:29] <tortal> the*
[23:29] <sarnold> tortal: so.. I guess that means stop guessing ;) if you're in to the system, probably best to check the sshd logs
[23:29] <MrGizmo757> That's not just an Ubuntu problem either. Seems to be happening on every distro i try on this GPU. Ubuntu is what i want to run though so i'm trying to find a solution
[23:29] <tortal> ok.. good ide
[23:29] <tortal> a
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: try installing without the proprietary drivers. I have found installing the drivers after I have a confirmed worked machine works out better in the end
[23:30] <MrGizmo757> The Drivers are built into the kernel. the AMDGPU drivers. The only thing i can do, is block the non-free firmware files.
[23:31] <MrGizmo757> Or blacklist them in favor of radeon but it's not supported on this GPU
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: that's what I'm suggesting... let the default kernel drivers install... avoid the amdgpu-pro installation until you know you have a working system
[23:32] <MrGizmo757> it's not the AMDGPU-pro. the stock out of the box drivers aren't booting either.
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: If you can access the grub boot file, I was going to suggest adding the boot option nomodeset to see if that works
[23:33] <MrGizmo757> the normal open source AMDGPU driver is pre-loaded in the kernel. but there are extra componenents that get installed with the non-free packages. which automatically install the first time you run updates.
[23:33] <MrGizmo757> They have to be blacklisted. But i can't get that far to even try that.
[23:33] <MrGizmo757> :(
[23:35] <tortal> ok you will find this funny:
[23:35] <tortal> Nov 16 00:34:38 host sshd[2035022]: fatal: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer                       That is the ONLY entr
[23:35] <tortal> entry
[23:35] <ph88> bbl
[23:36] <tortal> since it uses cpanel (stupid) .. the logs are located at /var/logs/secure instead
[23:37] <jacoby> hey guys
[23:37] <jacoby> how bad do you think putting the 18.04 repos into 13 and upgrade will break it
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: I wish I knew more on what to help with. Any chance you setup to install OpenSSH to see if the machine boots to a working state, just no display?
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> jacoby: What is "13"
[23:38] <jacoby> pragmaticenigma, maya
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> jacoby: Not recommended... safer to back up your data, and install fresh
[23:38] <MrGizmo757> I have a display. It just wont boot all the way. I can't boot it far enough to get into the system
[23:38] <MrGizmo757> But what's weird. Is the live CD works perfectly.
[23:38] <MrGizmo757> Once i install it to hardware. Dosen't work.
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: It's a common thing I've seen people come to this channel for... in the past people have been able to at least get the grub boot screen to load and can add nomodeset and get the machine far enough along to run updates
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> or at least set nomodeset permanently on the boot config
[23:41] <MrGizmo757> Unforchanatly, i can't get that far. Also just as a test. I also tried this with Manjaro. for two main reasons. They ship with the newer kernel that's supposed to have better AMD support. And also because i can boot up with the free or non-free drivers pre-loaded through the custom bootloader they have.
[23:41] <MrGizmo757> I did that just to see if i could pin down where the problem was.
[23:41] <sarnold> tortal: just ONE log entry??
[23:41] <tortal> YEP
[23:41] <MrGizmo757> But same situation there too.  Live CD runs fine. But once it's installed to hardware. Nothing.
[23:41] <MrGizmo757> It's very strange.
[23:42] <tortal> YEP
[23:42] <sarnold> tortal: both sides are seeing a RESET. I'm starting to wonder if you've got a new NIDS system running that's shooting connections in the head.
[23:42] <tortal> why isnt it shooting putty then
[23:42] <MrGizmo757> I also tried Debian. But i couldn't get the Live CD to boot. It just gets stock on the boot screen of the live CD.
[23:42] <tortal> and nothing is new in that server
[23:42] <MrGizmo757> I'm really out of ideas.
[23:43] <sarnold> tortal: the putty connection may be coming from an allowed address range..
[23:43] <tortal> and why did it work before? .... adress range? the ubuntu machine is running through NAT in virtualbox
[23:43] <tortal> i must have messed something client side
[23:44] <tortal> lemme try connecting with another user...
[23:44] <MrGizmo757> I did find a forum post of the same problem with a diffrent AMD GPU. But there was no solution. It's an ongoing thread. It sounds like the same problem though. Whatever it is.
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: it's a common issue I see here regularly... but each case seems to have a different solution
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: My ideas run out with not being able to edit grub
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: you should be able to modify the /boot directory from a live disk and add the boot parameters
[23:46] <pragmaticenigma> I know that nomodeset option often gets things working
[23:46] <tortal> same prolem ... i specified right identity key etc.
[23:47] <sarnold> tortal: dang :( my next thoughts aren't fun -- tcpdump on both hosts, strace or perf trace on both hosts
[23:47] <tortal> well... that would be messy
[23:47] <tortal> i guess i could filter out the port
[23:47] <sarnold> lol perf trace.. I forgot you've got a ten year old machine here
[23:47] <tortal> well i could always install new stuff }}
[23:48] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: shot in the dark, but the mini.iso installation might work better... it installs all the packages from the online repos, which means all the latest and patched updates are taken during installation
[23:48] <sarnold> perf trace is a bit of a big ask though :) step one, new kernel, step two, reboot..
[23:48] <tortal> oh... no thanks
[23:48] <tortal> >D
[23:49] <tortal> system is so fragile.. and it is still production server.. so cant do that
[23:49] <rfm> tortal, if you're getting desparate enough to do packet tracing, the virtualbox network tracing might help Idon't have to insetall wireshark, etc.) https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Network_tips
[23:49] <MrGizmo757> Yeah. I thought about that. But if Manjaro being a rolling release, and also failing on a reasonably new ISO. I have doubts that it would work.
[23:50] <ph88> hello
[23:50] <tortal> ok thanks for the help
[23:51] <sarnold> rfm: oh nice
[23:51] <ph88> i have a disk with both windows and ubuntu. My mobo firmware can boot from both OS from the boot menu. But when i boot the disk and it goes into grub, grub can not load windows saying it has an invalid signature. How can i fix this ?
[23:51] <MrGizmo757> I know the GPU is an rx570, But it still uses the 470 chipset. I'm curious if it's identified correctly in the kernel or not. That might be something to look at. And maybe manually blacklisting everything that dosen't apply to eliminate any conflict.
[23:51] <tortal> but... from client side... /etc/hosts/ and reinstalling ssh client... is there anywhere else i could look for ssh client behavior
[23:51] <MrGizmo757> That's my shot in the dark. But who knows.
[23:51] <tortal> apart from ip tables/ufw
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> MrGizmo757: can't hurt  to try
[23:53] <MrGizmo757> hmmm.....   i just found an interesting article.
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: Just use the boot menu from the bios/motherboard firmware. I'm guessing it's an EFI issue, and if you have something that works, it's better to use what already works than to possibly break it to get something else to work
[23:53] <MrGizmo757> https://community.amd.com/thread/233856
[23:53] <MrGizmo757> Looks like even with nomodeset, This GPU is a problem.
[23:53] <MrGizmo757> Maybe i'm just unlucky and got a GPU that isn't well supported.
[23:53] <ph88> pragmaticenigma, that boot menu requires me to press F11 at a very specific time, which is not practical when using the computer normally
[23:55] <EriC^> ph88: can you paste "sudo parted -ls" in a pastebin?
[23:55] <ph88> EriC^, ok just a moment i will boot back into ubuntu. i'm on windows atm
[23:58] <ph88> EriC^, https://bpaste.net/show/3B7XO
[23:58] <EriC^> ph88: is ubuntu on the 250gb ssd?
[23:59] <ph88> i have 2x ubuntu because i cloned it from old/small disk to new/big disk
[23:59] <ph88> i need to get the new one working
[23:59] <ph88> it's nr 4 on the 1TB disk
[23:59] <ph88> i mean ubuntu works, but i need grub working on /dev/nvme0n1
[23:59] <EriC^> which are you booting currently?
[23:59] <ph88> i'm booting /dev/nvme0n1p4