| bluesabre | flocculant: :D | 00:59 |
|---|---|---|
| Unit193 | I mean, I wouldn't exactly agree with that statement. It was more of a duck and cover because I know I was crap at that. Vbox isn't working like it used to. :3 | 01:01 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Going to discuss anything interesting at this meeting? | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | Wow...He *really* didn't like me asking. | 01:11 |
| bluesabre | lol | 01:13 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: probably discuss blueprints, knome's hats, and... (not sure yet) | 01:14 |
| Unit193 | :3 | 01:15 |
| Unit193 | Have fun! | 01:15 |
| krytarik | knome: I mean <https://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct> forwards to <https://ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct> curremtly, might as well link it directly. | 01:36 |
| * smkellat set a couple alarms and will try to make his first meeting back in a few years | 04:55 | |
| * smkellat shuffles off to get a couple hours sleep | 04:55 | |
| bluesabre | !team | Reminder: Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes! | 10:15 |
| ubottu | Reminder: Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes!: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 10:15 |
| Unit193 | Have fun! | 10:23 |
| bluesabre | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 11:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Nov 15 11:00:24 2019 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 11:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go! Anybody around? | 11:00 |
| ubottu | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go! Anybody around?: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | Eickmeyer: studio poke | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | I'm fixing my pop tart breakfast, so I'll give folks a few minutes to appear | 11:01 |
| smkellat | O/ | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | smkellat: hello! Long time, no see :) | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | This might be a very short meeting. | 11:10 |
| smkellat | I think so. | 11:10 |
| smkellat | I did a bit of a text dump on the deja-dup bug. | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | Which one? | 11:11 |
| smkellat | Hmm. Let me pull up the blueprint | 11:11 |
| smkellat | LP 1746039 | 11:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1746039 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu needs a gui backup utility --- deja-dup or somesuch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746039 | 11:12 |
| smkellat | I installed deja-dup on my 20.04 installation. It doesn't play nice. | 11:12 |
| bluesabre | Gotcha | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, for some of the bugs that I linked to the BP, I thought it might be worthwhile to add them to the docs or the wiki, for users that are looking for options. | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | In the past, we've done documentation for software we don't ship, like music applications and others. | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | Kind of an ack that, yeah, users are looking for this, where can we point them :) | 11:15 |
| smkellat | The weird toggle in the menu bar is one that I am not sure I know what to do with from a documentation standpoint. It doesn't seem to do anything. | 11:16 |
| smkellat | s/menu bar/title bar/ | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, I remember it being a bit confusing the last time I used it | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | It might be wholly dependent on one of the gnome control panel applets now | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | Anyway, I think I'll go ahead and reschedule this meeting for later today... probably around 22/23 utc to maybe grab some folks | 11:17 |
| smkellat | Sounds like a plan. I'll try to make sure I am around then. | 11:17 |
| bluesabre | #info Rescheduling for later today. | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | #endmeeting | 11:18 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Nov 15 11:18:03 2019 UTC. | 11:18 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2019/xubuntu-devel.2019-11-15-11.00.moin.txt | 11:18 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: oh shit, missed the meeting | 12:17 |
| ochosi | really sorry, life got in the way :/ | 12:17 |
| bluesabre | lol | 12:17 |
| bluesabre | no problemo | 12:17 |
| bluesabre | Will just push it to later today | 12:18 |
| ochosi | a meeting in 12hrs from now would work better i guess | 12:18 |
| ochosi | or 11hrs maybe | 12:18 |
| ochosi | then the kids are *surely* asleep | 12:18 |
| ochosi | and the wife too | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, waiting for the wife to wake up to ensure I'm available then | 12:18 |
| ochosi | and i don't get calls from the office... | 12:18 |
| ochosi | :) | 12:18 |
| ochosi | ok | 12:18 |
| ochosi | gotta run again | 12:18 |
| ochosi | just lemme know what would work | 12:18 |
| ochosi | (on the go a bit this weekend) | 12:19 |
| bluesabre | sure thing | 12:20 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: You didn't have fun. :( | 13:00 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: exo 0.12.9 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-exo-0-12-9-released-tp56550.html (by Sean Davis-6) | 17:57 | |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: parole 1.0.5 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-parole-1-0-5-released-tp56552.html (by Sean Davis-6) | 18:12 | |
| bluesabre | huzzah! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 20:00 |
| bluesabre | Double huzzah! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/eoan/release/ | 20:09 |
| knome | krytarik, i figured, i'll try to remember to get it later.. | 21:06 |
| bluesabre | knome, I don't suppose you might be available for bit in ~1 hour? | 21:58 |
| * smkellat sets alarm for meeting | 22:12 | |
| bluesabre | !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes! | 22:15 |
| ubottu | Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes!: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 22:15 |
| Unit193 | I'm..Uh...hrm...sleeping? | 22:16 |
| Unit193 | Niiiiice on cdimage. | 22:16 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.8.11 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-8-11-released-tp56554.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2) | 22:47 | |
| bluesabre | Aaaaaaand | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 23:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Nov 15 23:00:10 2019 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 23:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go again! Anybody around? | 23:00 |
| ubottu | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go again! Anybody around?: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | Will give folks a few minutes to show up. | 23:01 |
| ochosi | o/ | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | #chair ochosi | 23:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi | 23:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | #chair pleia2 | 23:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi pleia2 | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | Very nice :D | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | knome plz :) | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | Well, let's get started :) | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | #topic Open action items | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | ... and there are none. | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | #topic Updates and announcements | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | #info Xubuntu 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" released on 10/17, https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/ | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | #info Xubuntu 20.04 "Focal Fossa" development has started! | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | #info 20.04 draft release schedule up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | Some key dates: | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | 11/28 - Feature Definition Freeze (get your blueprints updated!) | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | 1/9 - Ubuntu Testing Week (let's maybe participate in that) | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | 3/19 - User Interface Freeze | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | 4/2 - Beta | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | 4/16 - Release Candidate | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | 4/23 - Final Release | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | #info 20.04 development tracker up at https://dev.xubuntu.org/ | 23:05 |
| bluesabre | #info Translation templates for xubuntu-default-settings have been updated, so check out https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/+translations and update your native language | 23:05 |
| bluesabre | #info The Xubuntu cdimage page is now Xubuntu-branded! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 23:05 |
| bluesabre | (And that's everything on my list!) Anybody else? | 23:06 |
| pleia2 | nice | 23:06 |
| ochosi | kewl | 23:07 |
| ochosi | regarding general topics and announcements... | 23:07 |
| ochosi | i guess we shouldn't expect too many changes in our xfce stack from 19.10 to 20.04 | 23:07 |
| ochosi | the maximum would be including new patch releases of certain apps, and maybe 4.14 patch releases of certain core components | 23:08 |
| ochosi | but nothing dramatic | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, outside of fixes and some straggler GTK-2 things, Xfce will be pretty quiet this cycle | 23:08 |
| ochosi | afaict there have also been no "terrible" bugreports upstream | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | "Terrible" is pretty bad... any normal bad ones? :) | 23:09 |
| ochosi | not sure if we can already get rid of gtk2 on the default install | 23:09 |
| ochosi | not that i know of :) | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, gimp and pidgin are holding that up (maybe some other things as well) | 23:09 |
| ochosi | meh | 23:10 |
| ochosi | i guess we have little to no alternatives to them | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, so most likely GTK2+3 for the next couple cycles | 23:10 |
| ochosi | mhm | 23:11 |
| bluesabre | Any other updates? Unit193: anything interesting coming from Debian-land? | 23:11 |
| Unit193 | I have no idea. | 23:12 |
| bluesabre | #chair Unit193 | 23:12 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 | 23:12 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:12 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Not sure it matters, but all d/watch files are now broken. | 23:12 |
| ochosi | are we missing much from xfce-gtk3? | 23:12 |
| Unit193 | I *knew* it! | 23:12 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: oh? | 23:12 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: mirrorbrain → mirrorbit literally broke everything. | 23:12 |
| bluesabre | Niiiiiiice | 23:12 |
| Unit193 | (See scrollback in #debian-xfce) | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | !info xfburn focal | 23:13 |
| ubottu | xfburn (source: xfburn): CD-burner application for Xfce Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-2 (focal), package size 373 kB, installed size 2041 kB | 23:13 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: We need to update time-out-plugin, or something. But that's about it. | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: 0.6.x of that ^ will give us gtk3 | 23:13 |
| ochosi | ok | 23:14 |
| ochosi | well at least that would be some kind of achievement, saying that all of xfce is now gtk3 | 23:14 |
| ochosi | other than that we have not much on 19.10 i guess | 23:15 |
| ochosi | unless any of you have anything planned | 23:15 |
| ochosi | but my time/efforts will probably mostly go towards 4.16 | 23:15 |
| ochosi | and maybe preparing greybird a little for more CSD | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | Yeah... I'll probably start sending bug reports your way as I cleanup the lists | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | Trying to tidy up all the trackers for 20.04 :) | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | Basically, test 4.14, get all point releases. | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | mhm | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | Any other updates/announcements? | 23:17 |
| Unit193 | Backport everything to the one PPA for people that want to update, but don't want to update. Nope. | 23:17 |
| ochosi | nope | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | oh yeah | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | I've started helping with the Xubuntu Twitter, so it might be slightly more chatty going forward. | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | thanks bluesabre <3 | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | (let me know if it needs to shut up ;)) | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | Moving on now... | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | # topic Discussion | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | #topic Discussion | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-roadmap | 23:20 |
| bluesabre | #info Feature definition freeze is on 11/28, which is just under 2 weeks away. Be sure to review the blueprints and make any changes needed. | 23:20 |
| bluesabre | Not sure if we want to do some planning or review now... I tried to make sure everything was relevant and up-to-date. | 23:20 |
| ochosi | we can take a look now | 23:21 |
| ochosi | as i said, not sure i have much planned (apart from maybe fixing some bugs, so no features i guess) | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | One of the bigger ones (maybe big-ish?) will be the wallpaper contest... though knome already made that pretty easy from what I remember | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | yeah, we'll need to check that the site is in good shape, but as long as it still works, it should be fine | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | then we just need to promote and such | 23:23 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:23 |
| ochosi | since g+ is dead i'm pretty much out of the social media loop | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | yeah, so blog, twitter, fb, probably reddit now too | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | (also, if anyone wants to be a mod on reddit, lmk) | 23:24 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: https://a.thumbs.redditmedia.com/qW9AP-SMY75Xq-RRyPsg-u2zLMvSAT9m9vMXMLW6ux8.png | 23:24 |
| ochosi | Unit193: lol | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | I linked a bunch of bugs to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-bugs, not all to be fixed or included necessarily, but maybe a chance for extended documentation | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | Or even just for closing out if they're just outside of our scope | 23:27 |
| ochosi | ok, i'll take a look | 23:28 |
| ochosi | humm, how can one test plymouth again... | 23:29 |
| bluesabre | I actually don't know where the flyer exists from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-documentation, is that somewhere in LP? | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#line-162 :) | 23:30 |
| pleia2 | yeah, the flyer is in lp | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | under https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-marketing | 23:32 |
| bluesabre | pleia2: awesome, thanks! | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | Anything else to discuss regarding the blueprints for now? ochosi pleia2 Unit193 | 23:36 |
| ochosi | nope, unfortunately not | 23:36 |
| ochosi | apart from "i'll try to fix a bug or two" | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:37 |
| bluesabre | Next up | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Xubuntu QA Discussion | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | So, we're still without a QA lead. Kev left us in pretty good shape, but we probably need to start figuring things out. | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | At the same time, the Ubuntu Mate QA folks really gave us a boost in 19.10, so we should thank them for stepping up and helping out. Thanks Wimpress, franksmsb, and all the other Mate lurkers! :-) | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | *franksmcb | 23:40 |
| * smkellat is late due to a system hang | 23:41 | |
| bluesabre | I should probably send a mail out to the testers team to see who we still have around | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | hey smkellat! | 23:41 |
| ochosi | do you have any concrete suggestions apart from "emailing the testers" as to what we could do? | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | Not yet... In generally, folks only become leads if they're interested and have sustained contribution | 23:42 |
| bluesabre | Brought it to the meeting of the minds for more ideas ;) | 23:42 |
| smkellat | Term limits and rotation out help prevent burnout | 23:43 |
| smkellat | i.e. No more than 3 releases in a row leading QA | 23:44 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, pretty sure we burned Kev out | 23:46 |
| bluesabre | But that was also with others taking up the QA mantle, but ultimately having to step down due to life. The small team makes it hard to have a backup plan. :) | 23:47 |
| Unit193 | I mean, we couldn't even get someone to be team lead.. | 23:47 |
| smkellat | And I’m only wandering back in after six years of Uncle Sam... | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | So yeah, I think the first step is just opening up the communication channel with our testers and warm them up to the idea of keeping QA going :) | 23:49 |
| Unit193 | Might as well send to -devel too. | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | yup | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | Alrighty, on to the next topic so I don't keep everybody too long :) | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic The many hats of knome | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | knome shared this with the team, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-October/011850.html, in case anybody wants to step up and take some of the responsibilities off his shoulders. | 23:50 |
| ochosi | maybe we could call for a new web lead | 23:51 |
| ochosi | could be a good way to get someone into the project | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | I'm good with helping with Twitter and ML, and can help with server items as needed. | 23:52 |
| ochosi | there just seem to be so many web devs out there | 23:52 |
| Unit193 | I'd say I'd help with server stuff, but I'm already listed there I guess. I go through the moderation queue too, but there's something in -users crashing listadmin. :3 | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, that's a good thought | 23:52 |
| Unit193 | ...Spass? :P | 23:52 |
| ochosi | :) | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | oooh | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | Spass indeed | 23:52 |
| Unit193 | I'm entirely crap with websites. | 23:53 |
| aaronfranke | So what's involved with the web lead position? I've been doing web dev for several years, mostly with simple HTML/CSS/JS. | 23:53 |
| ochosi | oh hi - a new face is always welcome! :) | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:54 |
| smkellat | The most I can do with a website is use either ikiwiki or MkDocs at this point. | 23:54 |
| Unit193 | We use wordpress (with our plugins), and some php for the tracker. | 23:55 |
| ochosi | i think getting familiar with our current setup would be step 1 | 23:56 |
| ochosi | then reviewing if there are obvious bugs could be step 2 | 23:56 |
| ochosi | improvements, suggestions, new ideas would be step 3 or so | 23:56 |
| aaronfranke | Oh, I hate wordpress... :P | 23:56 |
| ochosi | heh | 23:56 |
| bluesabre | I don't know anybody that loves wordpress | 23:56 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:57 |
| smkellat | LaTeXML is easier to wrangle | 23:57 |
| aaronfranke | The current website looks really nice already, though I can think of a few things to improve. | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | knome has done a lot of work in wordpress to automate things like release tasks | 23:58 |
| pleia2 | so it's decent to use from an admin perspective too | 23:58 |
| Unit193 | And the contest is in wp. | 23:58 |
| pleia2 | yeah, a whole separate instance | 23:58 |
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