[00:59] flocculant: :D [01:01] I mean, I wouldn't exactly agree with that statement. It was more of a duck and cover because I know I was crap at that. Vbox isn't working like it used to. :3 [01:02] bluesabre: Going to discuss anything interesting at this meeting? [01:11] Wow...He *really* didn't like me asking. [01:13] lol [01:14] Unit193: probably discuss blueprints, knome's hats, and... (not sure yet) [01:15] :3 [01:15] Have fun! [01:36] knome: I mean forwards to curremtly, might as well link it directly. [04:55] * smkellat set a couple alarms and will try to make his first meeting back in a few years [04:55] * smkellat shuffles off to get a couple hours sleep [10:15] !team | Reminder: Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes! [10:15] Reminder: Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes!: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [10:23] Have fun! [11:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [11:00] Meeting started Fri Nov 15 11:00:24 2019 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [11:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [11:00] !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go! Anybody around? [11:00] Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go! Anybody around?: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [11:00] Eickmeyer: studio poke [11:01] I'm fixing my pop tart breakfast, so I'll give folks a few minutes to appear [11:04] O/ [11:04] smkellat: hello! Long time, no see :) [11:10] This might be a very short meeting. [11:10] I think so. [11:10] I did a bit of a text dump on the deja-dup bug. [11:11] Which one? [11:11] Hmm. Let me pull up the blueprint [11:12] LP 1746039 [11:12] Launchpad bug 1746039 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu needs a gui backup utility --- deja-dup or somesuch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746039 [11:12] I installed deja-dup on my 20.04 installation. It doesn't play nice. [11:13] Gotcha [11:13] Yeah, for some of the bugs that I linked to the BP, I thought it might be worthwhile to add them to the docs or the wiki, for users that are looking for options. [11:14] In the past, we've done documentation for software we don't ship, like music applications and others. [11:15] Kind of an ack that, yeah, users are looking for this, where can we point them :) [11:16] The weird toggle in the menu bar is one that I am not sure I know what to do with from a documentation standpoint. It doesn't seem to do anything. [11:16] s/menu bar/title bar/ [11:16] Yeah, I remember it being a bit confusing the last time I used it [11:16] It might be wholly dependent on one of the gnome control panel applets now [11:17] Anyway, I think I'll go ahead and reschedule this meeting for later today... probably around 22/23 utc to maybe grab some folks [11:17] Sounds like a plan. I'll try to make sure I am around then. [11:18] #info Rescheduling for later today. [11:18] #endmeeting [11:18] Meeting ended Fri Nov 15 11:18:03 2019 UTC. [11:18] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2019/xubuntu-devel.2019-11-15-11.00.moin.txt [12:17] bluesabre: oh shit, missed the meeting [12:17] really sorry, life got in the way :/ [12:17] lol [12:17] no problemo [12:18] Will just push it to later today [12:18] a meeting in 12hrs from now would work better i guess [12:18] or 11hrs maybe [12:18] then the kids are *surely* asleep [12:18] and the wife too [12:18] Yeah, waiting for the wife to wake up to ensure I'm available then [12:18] and i don't get calls from the office... [12:18] :) [12:18] ok [12:18] gotta run again [12:18] just lemme know what would work [12:19] (on the go a bit this weekend) [12:20] sure thing [13:00] bluesabre: You didn't have fun. :( [17:57] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: exo 0.12.9 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-exo-0-12-9-released-tp56550.html (by Sean Davis-6) [18:12] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: parole 1.0.5 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-parole-1-0-5-released-tp56552.html (by Sean Davis-6) [20:00] huzzah! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ [20:09] Double huzzah! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/eoan/release/ [21:06] krytarik, i figured, i'll try to remember to get it later.. [21:58] knome, I don't suppose you might be available for bit in ~1 hour? [22:12] * smkellat sets alarm for meeting [22:15] !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes! [22:15] Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes!: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [22:16] I'm..Uh...hrm...sleeping? [22:16] Niiiiice on cdimage. [22:47] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.8.11 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-8-11-released-tp56554.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2) [22:59] Aaaaaaand [23:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [23:00] Meeting started Fri Nov 15 23:00:10 2019 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [23:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [23:00] !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go again! Anybody around? [23:00] Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go again! Anybody around?: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [23:01] Will give folks a few minutes to show up. [23:01] o/ [23:01] #chair ochosi [23:01] Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi [23:01] o/ [23:01] #chair pleia2 [23:01] Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi pleia2 [23:01] Very nice :D [23:02] knome plz :) [23:03] Well, let's get started :) [23:03] #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [23:04] #topic Open action items [23:04] ... and there are none. [23:04] #topic Updates and announcements [23:04] #info Xubuntu 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" released on 10/17, https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/ [23:04] #info Xubuntu 20.04 "Focal Fossa" development has started! [23:04] #info 20.04 draft release schedule up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule [23:04] Some key dates: [23:04] 11/28 - Feature Definition Freeze (get your blueprints updated!) [23:04] 1/9 - Ubuntu Testing Week (let's maybe participate in that) [23:04] 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze [23:04] 3/19 - User Interface Freeze [23:04] 4/2 - Beta [23:04] 4/16 - Release Candidate [23:04] 4/23 - Final Release [23:05] #info 20.04 development tracker up at https://dev.xubuntu.org/ [23:05] #info Translation templates for xubuntu-default-settings have been updated, so check out https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/+translations and update your native language [23:05] #info The Xubuntu cdimage page is now Xubuntu-branded! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ [23:06] (And that's everything on my list!) Anybody else? [23:06] nice [23:07] kewl [23:07] regarding general topics and announcements... [23:07] i guess we shouldn't expect too many changes in our xfce stack from 19.10 to 20.04 [23:08] the maximum would be including new patch releases of certain apps, and maybe 4.14 patch releases of certain core components [23:08] but nothing dramatic [23:08] Yeah, outside of fixes and some straggler GTK-2 things, Xfce will be pretty quiet this cycle [23:08] afaict there have also been no "terrible" bugreports upstream [23:09] "Terrible" is pretty bad... any normal bad ones? :) [23:09] not sure if we can already get rid of gtk2 on the default install [23:09] not that i know of :) [23:09] Yeah, gimp and pidgin are holding that up (maybe some other things as well) [23:10] meh [23:10] i guess we have little to no alternatives to them [23:10] Yeah, so most likely GTK2+3 for the next couple cycles [23:11] mhm [23:11] Any other updates? Unit193: anything interesting coming from Debian-land? [23:12] I have no idea. [23:12] #chair Unit193 [23:12] Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 [23:12] :D [23:12] bluesabre: Not sure it matters, but all d/watch files are now broken. [23:12] are we missing much from xfce-gtk3? [23:12] I *knew* it! [23:12] Unit193: oh? [23:12] bluesabre: mirrorbrain → mirrorbit literally broke everything. [23:12] Niiiiiiice [23:13] (See scrollback in #debian-xfce) [23:13] !info xfburn focal [23:13] xfburn (source: xfburn): CD-burner application for Xfce Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-2 (focal), package size 373 kB, installed size 2041 kB [23:13] ochosi: We need to update time-out-plugin, or something. But that's about it. [23:13] ochosi: 0.6.x of that ^ will give us gtk3 [23:14] ok [23:14] well at least that would be some kind of achievement, saying that all of xfce is now gtk3 [23:15] other than that we have not much on 19.10 i guess [23:15] unless any of you have anything planned [23:15] but my time/efforts will probably mostly go towards 4.16 [23:15] and maybe preparing greybird a little for more CSD [23:16] Yeah... I'll probably start sending bug reports your way as I cleanup the lists [23:16] Trying to tidy up all the trackers for 20.04 :) [23:17] Basically, test 4.14, get all point releases. [23:17] mhm [23:17] Any other updates/announcements? [23:17] Backport everything to the one PPA for people that want to update, but don't want to update. Nope. [23:18] nope [23:18] oh yeah [23:18] I've started helping with the Xubuntu Twitter, so it might be slightly more chatty going forward. [23:19] thanks bluesabre <3 [23:19] (let me know if it needs to shut up ;)) [23:19] Moving on now... [23:19] # topic Discussion [23:19] #topic Discussion [23:19] #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning [23:20] #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-roadmap [23:20] #info Feature definition freeze is on 11/28, which is just under 2 weeks away. Be sure to review the blueprints and make any changes needed. [23:20] Not sure if we want to do some planning or review now... I tried to make sure everything was relevant and up-to-date. [23:21] we can take a look now [23:21] as i said, not sure i have much planned (apart from maybe fixing some bugs, so no features i guess) [23:23] One of the bigger ones (maybe big-ish?) will be the wallpaper contest... though knome already made that pretty easy from what I remember [23:23] yeah, we'll need to check that the site is in good shape, but as long as it still works, it should be fine [23:23] then we just need to promote and such [23:23] yeah [23:24] since g+ is dead i'm pretty much out of the social media loop [23:24] yeah, so blog, twitter, fb, probably reddit now too [23:24] (also, if anyone wants to be a mod on reddit, lmk) [23:24] ochosi: https://a.thumbs.redditmedia.com/qW9AP-SMY75Xq-RRyPsg-u2zLMvSAT9m9vMXMLW6ux8.png [23:24] Unit193: lol [23:26] I linked a bunch of bugs to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-bugs, not all to be fixed or included necessarily, but maybe a chance for extended documentation [23:27] Or even just for closing out if they're just outside of our scope [23:28] ok, i'll take a look [23:29] humm, how can one test plymouth again... [23:30] I actually don't know where the flyer exists from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-documentation, is that somewhere in LP? [23:30] ochosi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#line-162 :) [23:32] yeah, the flyer is in lp [23:32] under https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-marketing [23:33] pleia2: awesome, thanks! [23:36] Anything else to discuss regarding the blueprints for now? ochosi pleia2 Unit193 [23:36] nope, unfortunately not [23:36] apart from "i'll try to fix a bug or two" [23:37] :) [23:39] Next up [23:39] #subtopic Xubuntu QA Discussion [23:39] So, we're still without a QA lead. Kev left us in pretty good shape, but we probably need to start figuring things out. [23:40] At the same time, the Ubuntu Mate QA folks really gave us a boost in 19.10, so we should thank them for stepping up and helping out. Thanks Wimpress, franksmsb, and all the other Mate lurkers! :-) [23:40] *franksmcb [23:41] * smkellat is late due to a system hang [23:41] I should probably send a mail out to the testers team to see who we still have around [23:41] hey smkellat! [23:41] do you have any concrete suggestions apart from "emailing the testers" as to what we could do? [23:42] Not yet... In generally, folks only become leads if they're interested and have sustained contribution [23:42] Brought it to the meeting of the minds for more ideas ;) [23:43] Term limits and rotation out help prevent burnout [23:44] i.e. No more than 3 releases in a row leading QA [23:46] Yeah, pretty sure we burned Kev out [23:47] But that was also with others taking up the QA mantle, but ultimately having to step down due to life. The small team makes it hard to have a backup plan. :) [23:47] I mean, we couldn't even get someone to be team lead.. [23:48] And I’m only wandering back in after six years of Uncle Sam... [23:49] So yeah, I think the first step is just opening up the communication channel with our testers and warm them up to the idea of keeping QA going :) [23:49] Might as well send to -devel too. [23:49] yup [23:50] Alrighty, on to the next topic so I don't keep everybody too long :) [23:50] #subtopic The many hats of knome [23:50] knome shared this with the team, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-October/011850.html, in case anybody wants to step up and take some of the responsibilities off his shoulders. [23:51] maybe we could call for a new web lead [23:52] could be a good way to get someone into the project [23:52] I'm good with helping with Twitter and ML, and can help with server items as needed. [23:52] there just seem to be so many web devs out there [23:52] I'd say I'd help with server stuff, but I'm already listed there I guess. I go through the moderation queue too, but there's something in -users crashing listadmin. :3 [23:52] Yeah, that's a good thought [23:52] ...Spass? :P [23:52] :) [23:52] oooh [23:52] Spass indeed [23:53] I'm entirely crap with websites. [23:53] So what's involved with the web lead position? I've been doing web dev for several years, mostly with simple HTML/CSS/JS. [23:54] oh hi - a new face is always welcome! :) [23:54] :) [23:54] The most I can do with a website is use either ikiwiki or MkDocs at this point. [23:55] We use wordpress (with our plugins), and some php for the tracker. [23:56] i think getting familiar with our current setup would be step 1 [23:56] then reviewing if there are obvious bugs could be step 2 [23:56] improvements, suggestions, new ideas would be step 3 or so [23:56] Oh, I hate wordpress... :P [23:56] heh [23:56] I don't know anybody that loves wordpress [23:57] hehe [23:57] LaTeXML is easier to wrangle [23:57] The current website looks really nice already, though I can think of a few things to improve. [23:58] knome has done a lot of work in wordpress to automate things like release tasks [23:58] so it's decent to use from an admin perspective too [23:58] And the contest is in wp. [23:58] yeah, a whole separate instance