[00:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: :D
[01:01] <Unit193> I mean, I wouldn't exactly agree with that statement.  It was more of a duck and cover because I know I was crap at that.  Vbox isn't working like it used to. :3
[01:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: Going to discuss anything interesting at this meeting?
[01:11] <Unit193> Wow...He *really* didn't like me asking.
[01:13] <bluesabre> lol
[01:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: probably discuss blueprints, knome's hats, and... (not sure yet)
[01:15] <Unit193> :3
[01:15] <Unit193> Have fun!
[01:36] <krytarik> knome: I mean <https://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct> forwards to <https://ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct> curremtly, might as well link it directly.
[04:55]  * smkellat set a couple alarms and will try to make his first meeting back in a few years
[04:55]  * smkellat shuffles off to get a couple hours sleep
[10:15] <bluesabre> !team | Reminder: Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes!
[10:23] <Unit193> Have fun!
[11:00] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[11:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Nov 15 11:00:24 2019 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[11:00] <bluesabre> !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go! Anybody around?
[11:00] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer: studio poke
[11:01] <bluesabre> I'm fixing my pop tart breakfast, so I'll give folks a few minutes to appear
[11:04] <smkellat> O/
[11:04] <bluesabre> smkellat: hello! Long time, no see :)
[11:10] <bluesabre> This might be a very short meeting.
[11:10] <smkellat> I think so. 
[11:10] <smkellat> I did a bit of a text dump on the deja-dup bug.
[11:11] <bluesabre> Which one?
[11:11] <smkellat> Hmm.  Let me pull up the blueprint
[11:12] <smkellat> LP 1746039
[11:12] <smkellat> I installed deja-dup on my 20.04 installation.  It doesn't play nice.
[11:13] <bluesabre> Gotcha
[11:13] <bluesabre> Yeah, for some of the bugs that I linked to the BP, I thought it might be worthwhile to add them to the docs or the wiki, for users that are looking for options.
[11:14] <bluesabre> In the past, we've done documentation for software we don't ship, like music applications and others.
[11:15] <bluesabre> Kind of an ack that, yeah, users are looking for this, where can we point them :)
[11:16] <smkellat> The weird toggle in the menu bar is one that I am not sure I know what to do with from a documentation standpoint.  It doesn't seem to do anything.
[11:16] <smkellat> s/menu bar/title bar/
[11:16] <bluesabre> Yeah, I remember it being a bit confusing the last time I used it
[11:16] <bluesabre> It might be wholly dependent on one of the gnome control panel applets now
[11:17] <bluesabre> Anyway, I think I'll go ahead and reschedule this meeting for later today... probably around 22/23 utc to maybe grab some folks
[11:17] <smkellat> Sounds like a plan.  I'll try to make sure I am around then.
[11:18] <bluesabre> #info Rescheduling for later today.
[11:18] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[11:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Nov 15 11:18:03 2019 UTC.  
[11:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2019/xubuntu-devel.2019-11-15-11.00.moin.txt
[12:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh shit, missed the meeting
[12:17] <ochosi> really sorry, life got in the way :/
[12:17] <bluesabre> lol
[12:17] <bluesabre> no problemo
[12:18] <bluesabre> Will just push it to later today
[12:18] <ochosi> a meeting in 12hrs from now would work better i guess
[12:18] <ochosi> or 11hrs maybe
[12:18] <ochosi> then the kids are *surely* asleep
[12:18] <ochosi> and the wife too
[12:18] <bluesabre> Yeah, waiting for the wife to wake up to ensure I'm available then
[12:18] <ochosi> and i don't get calls from the office...
[12:18] <ochosi> :)
[12:18] <ochosi> ok
[12:18] <ochosi> gotta run again
[12:18] <ochosi> just lemme know what would work
[12:19] <ochosi> (on the go a bit this weekend)
[12:20] <bluesabre> sure thing
[13:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: You didn't have fun. :(
[17:57] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: exo 0.12.9 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-exo-0-12-9-released-tp56550.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[18:12] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: parole 1.0.5 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-parole-1-0-5-released-tp56552.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[20:00] <bluesabre> huzzah! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[20:09] <bluesabre> Double huzzah! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/eoan/release/
[21:06] <knome> krytarik, i figured, i'll try to remember to get it later..
[21:58] <bluesabre> knome, I don't suppose you might be available for bit in ~1 hour?
[22:12]  * smkellat sets alarm for meeting
[22:15] <bluesabre> !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting in 45 minutes!
[22:16] <Unit193> I'm..Uh...hrm...sleeping?
[22:16] <Unit193> Niiiiice on cdimage.
[22:47] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.8.11 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-8-11-released-tp56554.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2)
[22:59] <bluesabre> Aaaaaaand
[23:00] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[23:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Nov 15 23:00:10 2019 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[23:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[23:00] <bluesabre> !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting is a-go again! Anybody around?
[23:01] <bluesabre> Will give folks a few minutes to show up.
[23:01] <ochosi> o/
[23:01] <bluesabre> #chair ochosi
[23:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi
[23:01] <pleia2> o/
[23:01] <bluesabre> #chair pleia2
[23:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi pleia2
[23:01] <bluesabre> Very nice :D
[23:02] <bluesabre> knome plz :)
[23:03] <bluesabre> Well, let's get started :)
[23:03] <bluesabre> #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[23:04] <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
[23:04] <bluesabre> ... and there are none.
[23:04] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and announcements
[23:04] <bluesabre> #info Xubuntu 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" released on 10/17, https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/
[23:04] <bluesabre> #info Xubuntu 20.04 "Focal Fossa" development has started!
[23:04] <bluesabre> #info 20.04 draft release schedule up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[23:04] <bluesabre> Some key dates:
[23:04] <bluesabre> 11/28 - Feature Definition Freeze (get your blueprints updated!)
[23:04] <bluesabre> 1/9 - Ubuntu Testing Week (let's maybe participate in that)
[23:04] <bluesabre> 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze
[23:04] <bluesabre> 3/19 - User Interface Freeze
[23:04] <bluesabre> 4/2 - Beta
[23:04] <bluesabre> 4/16 - Release Candidate
[23:04] <bluesabre> 4/23 - Final Release
[23:05] <bluesabre> #info 20.04 development tracker up at https://dev.xubuntu.org/
[23:05] <bluesabre> #info Translation templates for xubuntu-default-settings have been updated, so check out https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/+translations and update your native language
[23:05] <bluesabre> #info The Xubuntu cdimage page is now Xubuntu-branded! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[23:06] <bluesabre> (And that's everything on my list!) Anybody else?
[23:06] <pleia2> nice
[23:07] <ochosi> kewl
[23:07] <ochosi> regarding general topics and announcements...
[23:07] <ochosi> i guess we shouldn't expect too many changes in our xfce stack from 19.10 to 20.04
[23:08] <ochosi> the maximum would be including new patch releases of certain apps, and maybe 4.14 patch releases of certain core components
[23:08] <ochosi> but nothing dramatic
[23:08] <bluesabre> Yeah, outside of fixes and some straggler GTK-2 things, Xfce will be pretty quiet this cycle
[23:08] <ochosi> afaict there have also been no "terrible" bugreports upstream
[23:09] <bluesabre> "Terrible" is pretty bad... any normal bad ones? :)
[23:09] <ochosi> not sure if we can already get rid of gtk2 on the default install
[23:09] <ochosi> not that i know of :)
[23:09] <bluesabre> Yeah, gimp and pidgin are holding that up (maybe some other things as well)
[23:10] <ochosi> meh
[23:10] <ochosi> i guess we have little to no alternatives to them
[23:10] <bluesabre> Yeah, so most likely GTK2+3 for the next couple cycles
[23:11] <ochosi> mhm
[23:11] <bluesabre> Any other updates? Unit193: anything interesting coming from Debian-land?
[23:12] <Unit193> I have no idea.
[23:12] <bluesabre> #chair Unit193 
[23:12] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2
[23:12] <bluesabre> :D
[23:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not sure it matters, but all d/watch files are now broken.
[23:12] <ochosi> are we missing much from xfce-gtk3?
[23:12] <Unit193> I *knew* it!
[23:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh?
[23:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: mirrorbrain → mirrorbit literally broke everything.
[23:12] <bluesabre> Niiiiiiice
[23:13] <Unit193> (See scrollback in #debian-xfce)
[23:13] <bluesabre> !info xfburn focal
[23:13] <Unit193> ochosi: We need to update time-out-plugin, or something.  But that's about it.
[23:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: 0.6.x of that ^ will give us gtk3
[23:14] <ochosi> ok
[23:14] <ochosi> well at least that would be some kind of achievement, saying that all of xfce is now gtk3
[23:15] <ochosi> other than that we have not much on 19.10 i guess
[23:15] <ochosi> unless any of you have anything planned
[23:15] <ochosi> but my time/efforts will probably mostly go towards 4.16
[23:15] <ochosi> and maybe preparing greybird a little for more CSD
[23:16] <bluesabre> Yeah... I'll probably start sending bug reports your way as I cleanup the lists
[23:16] <bluesabre> Trying to tidy up all the trackers for 20.04 :)
[23:17] <Unit193> Basically, test 4.14, get all point releases.
[23:17] <bluesabre> mhm
[23:17] <bluesabre> Any other updates/announcements?
[23:17] <Unit193> Backport everything to the one PPA for people that want to update, but don't want to update.  Nope.
[23:18] <ochosi> nope
[23:18] <bluesabre> oh yeah
[23:18] <bluesabre> I've started helping with the Xubuntu Twitter, so it might be slightly more chatty going forward.
[23:19] <pleia2> thanks bluesabre <3
[23:19] <bluesabre> (let me know if it needs to shut up ;))
[23:19] <bluesabre> Moving on now...
[23:19] <bluesabre> # topic Discussion
[23:19] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[23:19] <bluesabre> #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning
[23:20] <bluesabre> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-roadmap
[23:20] <bluesabre> #info Feature definition freeze is on 11/28, which is just under 2 weeks away. Be sure to review the blueprints and make any changes needed.
[23:20] <bluesabre> Not sure if we want to do some planning or review now... I tried to make sure everything was relevant and up-to-date.
[23:21] <ochosi> we can take a look now
[23:21] <ochosi> as i said, not sure i have much planned (apart from maybe fixing some bugs, so no features i guess)
[23:23] <bluesabre> One of the bigger ones (maybe big-ish?) will be the wallpaper contest... though knome already made that pretty easy from what I remember
[23:23] <pleia2> yeah, we'll need to check that the site is in good shape, but as long as it still works, it should be fine
[23:23] <pleia2> then we just need to promote and such
[23:23] <ochosi> yeah
[23:24] <ochosi> since g+ is dead i'm pretty much out of the social media loop
[23:24] <pleia2> yeah, so blog, twitter, fb, probably reddit now too
[23:24] <pleia2> (also, if anyone wants to be a mod on reddit, lmk)
[23:24] <Unit193> ochosi: https://a.thumbs.redditmedia.com/qW9AP-SMY75Xq-RRyPsg-u2zLMvSAT9m9vMXMLW6ux8.png
[23:24] <ochosi> Unit193: lol
[23:26] <bluesabre> I linked a bunch of bugs to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-bugs, not all to be fixed or included necessarily, but maybe a chance for extended documentation
[23:27] <bluesabre> Or even just for closing out if they're just outside of our scope
[23:28] <ochosi> ok, i'll take a look
[23:29] <ochosi> humm, how can one test plymouth again...
[23:30] <bluesabre> I actually don't know where the flyer exists from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-f-documentation, is that somewhere in LP?
[23:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#line-162 :)
[23:32] <pleia2> yeah, the flyer is in lp
[23:32] <pleia2> under https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-marketing
[23:33] <bluesabre> pleia2: awesome, thanks!
[23:36] <bluesabre> Anything else to discuss regarding the blueprints for now? ochosi pleia2 Unit193 
[23:36] <ochosi> nope, unfortunately not
[23:36] <ochosi> apart from "i'll try to fix a bug or two"
[23:37] <bluesabre> :)
[23:39] <bluesabre> Next up
[23:39] <bluesabre> #subtopic Xubuntu QA Discussion
[23:39] <bluesabre> So, we're still without a QA lead. Kev left us in pretty good shape, but we probably need to start figuring things out.
[23:40] <bluesabre> At the same time, the Ubuntu Mate QA folks really gave us a boost in 19.10, so we should thank them for stepping up and helping out. Thanks Wimpress, franksmsb, and all the other Mate lurkers! :-)
[23:40] <bluesabre> *franksmcb
[23:41]  * smkellat is late due to a system hang
[23:41] <bluesabre> I should probably send a mail out to the testers team to see who we still have around
[23:41] <bluesabre> hey smkellat!
[23:41] <ochosi> do you have any concrete suggestions apart from "emailing the testers" as to what we could do?
[23:42] <bluesabre> Not yet... In generally, folks only become leads if they're interested and have sustained contribution
[23:42] <bluesabre> Brought it to the meeting of the minds for more ideas ;)
[23:43] <smkellat> Term limits and rotation out help prevent burnout
[23:44] <smkellat> i.e. No more than 3 releases in a row leading QA
[23:46] <bluesabre> Yeah, pretty sure we burned Kev out
[23:47] <bluesabre> But that was also with others taking up the QA mantle, but ultimately having to step down due to life. The small team makes it hard to have a backup plan. :)
[23:47] <Unit193> I mean, we couldn't even get someone to be team lead..
[23:48] <smkellat> And I’m only wandering back in after six years of Uncle Sam...
[23:49] <bluesabre> So yeah, I think the first step is just opening up the communication channel with our testers and warm them up to the idea of keeping QA going :)
[23:49] <Unit193> Might as well send to -devel too.
[23:49] <bluesabre> yup
[23:50] <bluesabre> Alrighty, on to the next topic so I don't keep everybody too long :)
[23:50] <bluesabre> #subtopic The many hats of knome
[23:50] <bluesabre> knome shared this with the team, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-October/011850.html, in case anybody wants to step up and take some of the responsibilities off his shoulders.
[23:51] <ochosi> maybe we could call for a new web lead
[23:52] <ochosi> could be a good way to get someone into the project
[23:52] <bluesabre> I'm good with helping with Twitter and ML, and can help with server items as needed.
[23:52] <ochosi> there just seem to be so many web devs out there
[23:52] <Unit193> I'd say I'd help with server stuff, but I'm already listed there I guess.  I go through the moderation queue too, but there's something in -users crashing listadmin. :3
[23:52] <bluesabre> Yeah, that's a good thought
[23:52] <Unit193> ...Spass? :P
[23:52] <ochosi> :)
[23:52] <bluesabre> oooh
[23:52] <bluesabre> Spass indeed
[23:53] <Unit193> I'm entirely crap with websites.
[23:53] <aaronfranke> So what's involved with the web lead position? I've been doing web dev for several years, mostly with simple HTML/CSS/JS.
[23:54] <ochosi> oh hi - a new face is always welcome! :)
[23:54] <bluesabre> :)
[23:54] <smkellat> The most I can do with a website is use either ikiwiki or MkDocs at this point.
[23:55] <Unit193> We use wordpress (with our plugins), and some php for the tracker.
[23:56] <ochosi> i think getting familiar with our current setup would be step 1
[23:56] <ochosi> then reviewing if there are obvious bugs could be step 2
[23:56] <ochosi> improvements, suggestions, new ideas would be step 3 or so
[23:56] <aaronfranke> Oh, I hate wordpress... :P
[23:56] <ochosi> heh
[23:56] <bluesabre> I don't know anybody that loves wordpress
[23:57] <pleia2> hehe
[23:57] <smkellat> LaTeXML is easier to wrangle
[23:57] <aaronfranke> The current website looks really nice already, though I can think of a few things to improve.
[23:58] <pleia2> knome has done a lot of work in wordpress to automate things like release tasks
[23:58] <pleia2> so it's decent to use from an admin perspective too
[23:58] <Unit193> And the contest is in wp.
[23:58] <pleia2> yeah, a whole separate instance