| ph88 | the new one | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| EriC^ | ph88: can you type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" and see if dirs exist? | 00:00 |
| ph88 | config_table efivars esrt fw_platform_size fw_vendor runtime runtime-map systab vars | 00:00 |
| Polybius- | anybody know if wine is will support MTP over USB? | 00:01 |
| ph88 | grub launches from /dev/nvme0n1 but then when booting windows i get "invalid signature" .. when i use mobo boot menu i can boot /dev/nvme0n1p1 windows without problem | 00:01 |
| pragmaticenigma | Polybius-: what is MTP? | 00:01 |
| Polybius- | pragmaticenigma, Media Transfer Protocol. Androids USB media sharing protocol. | 00:02 |
| Polybius- | pragmaticenigma, using software similer to CDMA-workshop | 00:02 |
| sarnold | ph88: if you don't care about secure boot, you could try disabling secure boot support in your bios interface | 00:03 |
| ph88 | EriC^, i installed an unsigned version of efi onto /dev/nvme0n1 not the signed one | 00:03 |
| jeremy31 | Polybius-: Ubuntu should handle MTP | 00:03 |
| EriC^ | ph88: how come? | 00:03 |
| ph88 | EriC^, because i didn't know which one to choose, so i just picked the unsigned one | 00:03 |
| Polybius- | jeremy31, pragmaticenigma i had a hard time in VM with MTP so i didnt know if this was going to be a universal problem. | 00:04 |
| ph88 | shall i try reinstall grub with secure boot ? | 00:04 |
| sarnold | ph88: oh try the signed one then, heh | 00:04 |
| EriC^ | ph88: it wont hurt to try to reinstall grub and stuff, try sudo apt-get install grub-efi-amd64-signed | 00:04 |
| Polybius- | only on Windows OSes though... | 00:04 |
| ph88 | EriC^, i didn't have that package installed yet | 00:05 |
| EriC^ | ph88: aha | 00:05 |
| ph88 | the previous time i installed grub it was from a live cd where i mounted the grub files of the live cd over the target ubuntu | 00:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | Polybius-: Wine is just an interface allowing windows applications to exist inside a linux environment. Hardware setups like MTP would have to be handled by Ubuntu. There is no pass through. | 00:05 |
| ph88 | sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --uefi-secure-boot Installing for x86_64-efi platform. grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory. | 00:05 |
| tortal | to sumarize: i cannot ssh to server that i previously could. No changes on server side. However i might have messed up stuff on my client ubuntu mahine running with NAT in virtualbox. I can connect to other servers. I used ssh config but switched it off. i checked hosts file. i reinstalled ssh client (purge).. i dont have any funny port thing like | 00:06 |
| tortal | corpoate VPN or so. . No UFW-IP Tables stuff... tried using another user.... what te heck is going on. | 00:06 |
| tortal | putty works fine. | 00:06 |
| EriC^ | ph88: hmm, what does "mokutil --sb-state" give? | 00:06 |
| ph88 | EriC^, /boot/efi is not automatically mounted because the ubuntu installation used to run on an MBR disk before i cloned it to GPT/uefi setup | 00:06 |
| EriC^ | ph88: i see | 00:07 |
| Polybius- | pragmaticenigma, are you saying that the USB port connection couldnt exist inside of the API? | 00:07 |
| ph88 | EriC^, SecureBoot disabled Platform is in Setup Mode | 00:07 |
| EriC^ | ph88: type "sudo blkid; cat /etc/fstab" and pastebin the output please | 00:07 |
| tortal | https://pastebin.com/p3LrdVVc is the -vvv from client | 00:07 |
| tortal | i tried from home as wlel as office... | 00:08 |
| ph88 | EriC^, https://termbin.com/dxe6 | 00:09 |
| ph88 | EriC^, termbin missed lines of stderr .. here are all lines https://bpaste.net/show/Y4Y6E | 00:09 |
| tortal | AND.. filezilla SFTP connects fine from the guest ubuntu machine | 00:09 |
| EriC^ | ph88: type "sudo nano /etc/fstab" | 00:10 |
| butteredpopcorn | How do I view what version of netplan I have? | 00:10 |
| ph88 | https://bpaste.net/show/4X3WQ sorry 3rd paste all together | 00:10 |
| ph88 | ok i'm in nano | 00:11 |
| EriC^ | add the line "UUID=1B9DE-2A2F /boot/efi vfat umask=0077 0 1" | 00:11 |
| ph88 | ok | 00:12 |
| ph88 | done | 00:12 |
| EriC^ | ph88: type "sudo mkdir /boot/efi" | 00:12 |
| ph88 | i did this before already (an hour ago or so) | 00:12 |
| ph88 | it's an empty directory at the moment | 00:12 |
| EriC^ | ph88: alright, type "sudo mount /boot/efi" | 00:12 |
| sarnold | tortal: how about ssh -o KexAlgorithms=diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 root@host | 00:13 |
| ph88 | mount: /boot/efi: can't find UUID=1B9DE-2A2F | 00:13 |
| EriC^ | my bad, thought i switched the uuid | 00:13 |
| tortal | will try sarnold | 00:13 |
| EriC^ | ph88: replace 18B..... with B9DE-2A2F | 00:13 |
| ph88 | oki | 00:13 |
| EriC^ | basically just remove the 1 before the B | 00:13 |
| ph88 | ok done | 00:14 |
| EriC^ | ph88: ok, try sudo mount /boot/efi again | 00:14 |
| ph88 | also done | 00:14 |
| EriC^ | ph88: sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed | 00:14 |
| ph88 | done | 00:14 |
| EriC^ | ph88: how are the grub packages looking btw, can you pastebin "dpkg -l | grep grub" ? | 00:15 |
| EriC^ | ph88: also please "sudo efibootmgr -v" that should cover it all :) | 00:15 |
| ph88 | https://bpaste.net/show/ZD6XG | 00:15 |
| tortal | packet_write_wait: Connection to 85.118.207.39 port 1900: Broken pipe | 00:15 |
| tortal | GODAM | 00:15 |
| tortal | i wrote the IP | 00:15 |
| ph88 | https://bpaste.net/show/XP4TS | 00:16 |
| EriC^ | ph88: ah, type "sudo apt-get remove grub-pc grub-pc-bin" | 00:16 |
| ph88 | should i now proceed with sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --uefi-secure-boot ? | 00:16 |
| sarnold | tortal: broken pipe, interesting, that one's different.. uh. hmm, do you have a ProxyCommand, perhaps in a Match block, in ~/.ssh or /etc/ssh/ssh_config ? | 00:16 |
| EriC^ | ph88: sure | 00:16 |
| ph88 | ok, i guess now i reboot and find out ? | 00:17 |
| EriC^ | 1 sec let me see that efibootmgr paste, | 00:17 |
| EriC^ | ph88: ok, try rebooting | 00:18 |
| ph88 | thanks a lot EriC^ :D | 00:18 |
| EriC^ | also might as well | 00:18 |
| EriC^ | run sudo update-grub | 00:18 |
| tortal | will check | 00:18 |
| ph88 | ok brb for reboot | 00:19 |
| tortal | BIND exploits from 1940 still works on that server | 00:19 |
| ph88 | EriC^, too bad ... still get invalid signature when i try booting windows from grub .. | 00:20 |
| EriC^ | ph88: can you pastebin "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg" in case it has any clues | 00:21 |
| ph88 | one moment plz | 00:21 |
| ph88 | something funny is going on | 00:21 |
| ph88 | i don't see chatlogs from our chat earlier ... indicating that i booted to another ubuntu instance | 00:22 |
| ph88 | it might have been that i applied all those changes to the ubuntu on the other disk | 00:22 |
| EriC^ | ph88: oh | 00:22 |
| EriC^ | what does "df -h /" give? | 00:22 |
| ph88 | /dev/nvme1n1p5 | 00:22 |
| EriC^ | so it's the original currently | 00:23 |
| ph88 | the old one ?? | 00:23 |
| EriC^ | the 250gb one | 00:23 |
| EriC^ | yeah, right? | 00:23 |
| ph88 | ah yes | 00:23 |
| ph88 | ok in that case we applied the changes to the new one, but i booted to the old one now by accident | 00:24 |
| ph88 | brb again | 00:24 |
| ph88 | back | 00:25 |
| tortal | sarnold since it isnt user-specific i dont check home directory. but here is the global config: https://pastebin.com/r3hgJJ81 | 00:26 |
| ph88 | so this mix up made me realize that i'm also trying to boot into the OLD windows. The new one on the same disk is not even listed | 00:26 |
| ph88 | EriC^, in grub i have one entry "ubuntu" which is the new disk. Then one entry for ubuntu /nv.. and windows /nv.. which are on the old disk | 00:26 |
| EriC^ | aha | 00:28 |
| EriC^ | ph88: that makes sense, it's trying to boot the legacy windows | 00:29 |
| tortal | also tried emptying the ~/.ssh/ except for the id_rsa files | 00:29 |
| EriC^ | ph88: i wonder why it's not picking up the new windows though | 00:29 |
| ph88 | ya | 00:29 |
| ph88 | it's also not visible in nautilus | 00:30 |
| ph88 | but old ubuntu and old windows are there | 00:30 |
| EriC^ | ph88: can you pastebin "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg" cause i want to see where it's getting the stuff from | 00:30 |
| EriC^ | it shouldnt have even added the legacy windows | 00:30 |
| EriC^ | (btw did you run sudo update-grub previously?) | 00:30 |
| tortal | so really only default privkey path and GSSAPIAuthentication yes is on | 00:30 |
| ph88 | EriC^, https://termbin.com/alvu0 | 00:30 |
| ph88 | EriC^, yes i ran sudo update-grub | 00:31 |
| EriC^ | ph88: hmm, how come you said that it's trying to load the old windows? | 00:32 |
| ph88 | Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/nvme0n1p1) | 00:32 |
| EriC^ | i mean how'd you arrive at that conclusion, from the actual grub menu at startup or? | 00:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | Polybius-: You're thinking of WINE as being a virtual machines, which it isn't. It's a compatibility layer. You have to setup the resource in Ubuntu. I'm not familiar with MTP to know what features it has or what you are trying to do with it. What I do know is you should be able to access it with Ubuntu ... what are you trying to do that requires a windows application? | 00:33 |
| Tacoder | or windows splash screen EriC^ | 00:33 |
| EriC^ | ph88: isn't that the new windows? | 00:33 |
| ph88 | EriC^, no sorry you are right it's the new windows | 00:33 |
| ph88 | i read easily over the difference of 0 and 1 there :/ | 00:33 |
| EriC^ | hey Tacoder | 00:33 |
| EriC^ | ph88: the menu entry looks right, points to the right file and stuff | 00:34 |
| ph88 | ya | 00:34 |
| EriC^ | ph88: why not try to use the shimx64.efi file maybe? | 00:35 |
| ph88 | i don't know about this file | 00:35 |
| EriC^ | which one did it use currently? "sudo efibootmgr -v" should show it | 00:35 |
| Tacoder | EriC^: remember theres a few computers that requires to add a trusted efi file to boot in BIOS | 00:35 |
| ph88 | EFI variables are not supported on this system. | 00:35 |
| Tacoder | under secure boot | 00:36 |
| EriC^ | Tacoder: yeah, it could be some setting i guess, it is booting ubuntu though, just not happy booting windows from grub specifically | 00:36 |
| EriC^ | ph88: ok that makes sense now | 00:36 |
| EriC^ | ph88: so currently it's not booted in uefi mode | 00:37 |
| ph88 | o_O | 00:37 |
| ph88 | ok let me reboot again .. there is another option in the bios boot menu | 00:37 |
| ph88 | just a sec | 00:37 |
| EriC^ | ph88: "df -h /" gives the n0 or n1? | 00:37 |
| ph88 | /dev/nvme0n1p4 | 00:37 |
| ph88 | in the mobo boot menu i can boot a disk or a partition | 00:37 |
| EriC^ | sorry 0n* but yeah | 00:37 |
| ph88 | i opt to boot the disk .. maybe this is legacy boot and uefi boot is those partitions | 00:38 |
| ph88 | i'll reboot again choosing ubuntu directly from mobo boot menu | 00:38 |
| ph88 | just a sec | 00:38 |
| EriC^ | ph88: ok, my guess is that since the uuid's are the same, sometimes you're booting grub in legacy mode and getting the mismatch, and it's booting the "new ubuntu" | 00:38 |
| Polybius- | pragmaticenigma, trying to unlock a CSIM. for use on another network. there are applications that will flash the software for you but all i've found is for Windows only. i couldnt get my VM to recognize MTP. USB only. So i thought i'd give WINE a try. guess its a no go though. | 00:39 |
| ph88 | EriC^, yes that was it ... ubuntu is booted in eufi mode now | 00:40 |
| EriC^ | ph88: ok, my guess is that since the uuid's are the same, sometimes you're booting grub in legacy mode and getting the mismatch, and it's booting the "new ubuntu", you should probably have separate uuid's for the clone vs new one if you want to keep them on the same pc | 00:40 |
| ph88 | now i will try to boot again to ubuntu in eufi mode but this time in the grub menu i will choose windows | 00:40 |
| EriC^ | ph88: ok, in grub, try to use the command line to see what's going on behind the scenes | 00:40 |
| ph88 | each time i start of with selection something to boot from from the boot menu that my motherboard provides. My suspecion is that if i boot from a drive it's in BIOS mode and when i boot a partition it's UEFI | 00:41 |
| EriC^ | ph88: press "c" to drop to a command line, "echo $prefix" should give you some stuff as to what it's using, also pressing "e" over the windows entry should show which one it's trying to boot, uefi or legacy one | 00:41 |
| pragmaticenigma | Polybius-: it wouldn't be advisable anyways. for flashing/reprogramming hardware... it's best to use the OS the software was written for | 00:41 |
| ph88 | can i change one UUID perhaps ? | 00:41 |
| EriC^ | ph88: yeah you can | 00:42 |
| ph88 | brb | 00:42 |
| tortal | now why would port 1900 suddenly open on my server.. upnp ?! | 00:46 |
| tortal | ran nmap | 00:47 |
| Polybius- | pragmaticenigma, just changing the sim state to 'UNLOCKED' from 'LOCKED' theres a setting for that somewhere in this phone i just have to find a way to access it. This software is the closest thing i've found so far. i have the MSL and SPC is easy on this device. | 00:48 |
| Polybius- | pragmaticenigma, that particular setting resides somewhere in the OS itself somewhere though. probably in NVRAM. | 00:49 |
| Polybius- | pragmaticenigma, this is a surprisingly esoteric subject. so i would like to take a closer look for myself. | 00:50 |
| tortal | sarnold: interesting.. i removed known_hosts and it didnt ask me to add new key... but when using KexAlgorithms=diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 it did | 00:52 |
| sarnold | tortal: this just keeps getting weirder :) | 00:53 |
| tortal | -yes, | 00:54 |
| tortal | very much so | 00:54 |
| bagira | hello. the new TUI in installation is looking really nice. It does not appear to be curses/dialog driven. What's being used there? | 00:58 |
| ph88 | EriC^, i did some more testing. This is the boot menu from the mobo https://imgur.com/a/95WGIUK When i choose the 4rd item 1TB or i choose the last option ubuntu i get this screen in both cases https://imgur.com/a/RK8FUv1 however if i try booting windows and/or ubuntu i get different results. When i choose to boot from 1TB ubuntu runs in bios and windows gives invalid signature. When i choose to boot "Ubuntu" ubuntu runs in eufi but | 01:01 |
| ph88 | the windows boot entry just doesn't work (not message, just flashes for a breef second and then goes back to the main grub menu) | 01:01 |
| sarnold | bagira: I can't recall, and I can't spot it quickly :) I think it's in here somewhere https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity | 01:01 |
| bagira | sarnold: thanks ill check it out. i'd sacrifice a few interns to get away from curses dialogs | 01:02 |
| ph88 | EriC^, win grub i always choose the ubuntu on /dev/nvme0n1p4 ... i think when i choose normal "Ubuntu" in grub it boots the old installation | 01:02 |
| sarnold | bagira: heh, yeah, I understand that :) | 01:02 |
| ph88 | in grub * | 01:02 |
| bagira | wow. 3-column selection dialogs | 01:03 |
| sarnold | bagira: ooh I found an 'urwid' in the sources.. this looks promising http://urwid.org/ | 01:03 |
| ph88 | EriC^, when i choose from the MOBO menu Windows Boot Manager from 1TB windows boots without problem | 01:03 |
| ph88 | afk for 10 minutes .. | 01:04 |
| EriC^ | ph88: fro the grub menu image, it looks like it's booting the legacy grub, cause it mentions ubuntu 19.10 on 0n1p4 | 01:04 |
| EriC^ | that should be the native "ubuntu" one and it shouldnt mention it below | 01:04 |
| bagira | sarnold: yep there it is. too bad it requires a whole python runtime. our environment is pretty stripped down for parts of it. | 01:05 |
| tortal | sarnold: now putty wont connect... this is after posting the IP here..... | 01:05 |
| tortal | :( | 01:06 |
| sarnold | tortal: cripes :( | 01:06 |
| EriC^ | ph88: i'm off to bed, kinda late here, i'd recommend to first change the uuid of one of the installs and edit fstab accordingly, and update-grub again, and maybe zap the bootloader out of the mbr iirc gpt doesnt really use the mbr section of the disk, so you could zap the bootloader from there so grub doesnt boot in legacy for sure, maybe also remove the 250gb temporarily for testing, getting it to work | 01:06 |
| EriC^ | goodluck | 01:06 |
| bagira | i am super impressed with this installation system | 01:07 |
| sarnold | bagira: yeah python's a bit heavy for a lot of uses.. there's other choices if you don't mind funny languages :) https://appliedgo.net/tui/ https://github.com/fdehau/tui-rs | 01:08 |
| bagira | sarnold: some of these look promising. im kind of split on approach as we are compiling a chroot from the inside out from a more instact system in docker. i suppose i could bootstrap after compiling all of the tui dependencies. | 01:09 |
| bagira | at some point it has to hand over to a process inside the chroot and continue from there | 01:10 |
| bagira | so if the tui changes it creates a continuity issue | 01:10 |
| sarnold | oh yeah; heck I'm bugged by the console font changing 20 seconds into the boot :) | 01:11 |
| sarnold | going from one tui lib to another would be pretty jarring by comparison :) | 01:11 |
| tortal | DDoS.. thanks freenode | 01:11 |
| bagira | just installed ubuntu-server in a vm using that tui, that was one of the best i've seen yet, huge improvement from a few years ago | 01:12 |
| dreemer | tortal: anonymize yourself :) | 01:12 |
| sarnold | bagira: unfortunately I don't think it's hit feature parity yet | 01:12 |
| sarnold | bagira: when it works it's pretty decent but it doesn't hit all use cases yet | 01:13 |
| bagira | sarnold: still, coming from me, who never says nice things about distro installers.... | 01:13 |
| tortal | well. it is my server first of all that is getting hit.. or.. the my company's prod server | 01:13 |
| ph88 | gn EriC^ | 01:16 |
| bagira | sarnold: you know what you guys could do to fix that? build a restful API that orchestrates every aspect of the install process, and then make both the TUI and the GUI only use that for any touch operations | 01:17 |
| pragmaticenigma | bagira: Unfortunately, this channel is run by volunteers trying to support ubuntu... devs are in a different channel | 01:17 |
| bagira | oh | 01:18 |
| sarnold | bagira: you may also enjoy skimming through https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/curtin | 01:20 |
| bagira | sarnold: is there a design doc somewhere | 01:21 |
| sarnold | bagira: not sure, I've never really looked into the installers end of the world | 01:22 |
| sarnold | in my world the systems are already up and running :) | 01:22 |
| bagira | heh. that's always kind of irked me how foss projects never have architecture design docs | 01:22 |
| sarnold | don't take my lack of knowing as proof it doesn't exist | 01:23 |
| sarnold | I'm just one man | 01:23 |
| bagira | sarnold: fair, it's just a thing. ironically most systems design lifecycle concept comes from foss architectural frameworks, yet ends up being almost exclusively an enterprise process for non-foss products | 01:26 |
| tortal | ok, closed SSHD | 01:29 |
| tortal | and shut down ports | 01:29 |
| tortal | 21/tcp open ftp. 25/tcp open smtp. 26/tcp open rsftp. 80/tcp open http. 110/tcp open pop. 143/tcp open imap.443/tcp open https. 465/tcp open smtps. 587/tcp open submission. 993/tcp open imaps. 995/tcp open pop3s. 3306/tcp open mysql | 01:33 |
| tortal | that was a few minutes ago | 01:33 |
| bagira | tortal: im confused about what problem you're trying to solve | 01:34 |
| tortal | Well.. it started out with not being able to SSH into my machine... then i accidentally posted the IP here.. it is super old server with a lot of exploits to play with... few minutes after posting the IP i could not connect, ports were being opened.. and yeah.. | 01:35 |
| tortal | I could SSH with putty... but not with my ubuntu guest | 01:35 |
| bagira | tortal: likely due to available cipher mismatch | 01:35 |
| tortal | now i cant neither.. i have however blocked the SSH port now as well | 01:36 |
| bagira | :/ | 01:36 |
| bagira | you should update your host and then move to a "cattle not pets" server lifecycle | 01:36 |
| bagira | the newest operational models rarely involve troubleshooting a live machine in production anymore outside of diagnosis, and then making the fix in the code that generates and configures the server, then regenerating the server | 01:37 |
| tortal | yeah, we are migrating to the cloud.. this is a 10 year old server | 01:37 |
| bagira | that code is also stored in version control | 01:37 |
| tortal | with php 5.3 running.. crazy | 01:38 |
| tortal | as i mentioned earlier they didnt even have https | 01:38 |
| tortal | on login stuff | 01:38 |
| bagira | even 10 years ago that wasn't acceptable | 01:38 |
| tortal | so i had to fix a lot of stuff like crazy.. just recently joined the company | 01:38 |
| tortal | well... what can i do.... except migrate it to a more secure environment in the cloud.. then port everything to micro-services is my plan | 01:39 |
| tortal | students created this.. and the server has been working since then. without anybody caring about security or changing the code | 01:41 |
| bagira | php5 -> php7 rewrite for a whole platform is daunting but possible, i've had to do it, but good luck. | 01:42 |
| bagira | you might be better off just doing a rewrite in a microservices model first and then retiring the thing | 01:42 |
| bagira | since you'll have to rewrite anyway | 01:42 |
| tortal | well... micro services... so i can do piece by piece | 01:42 |
| tortal | and it will NOT be in PHP :D | 01:42 |
| bagira | that's what i mean | 01:42 |
| tortal | yeah | 01:43 |
| bagira | in order to migrate to cloud you'll have to port it to php7 | 01:43 |
| bagira | so that's two rewrites | 01:43 |
| pragmaticenigma | tortal, bagira: this is an interesting discussion... might be a good time to move it towards #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss ... try to keep the channel focused on support | 01:43 |
| tortal | well sorry.. but this kind of happened here.. since i posted the IP here... but yes you are right | 01:43 |
| bagira | i dont have the attention span to focus on a single topic so ill just drop it | 01:44 |
| tortal | #ubuntu-gothacked | 01:44 |
| tortal | heh | 01:44 |
| tortal | yeha me too.. busy securing the server. closing sshd etc. | 01:44 |
| dreemer | tortal: Well, I do hope you don't ssh into your server using a password. | 01:45 |
| tortal | hell no ^^ | 01:46 |
| dreemer | okay good. *phew* | 01:46 |
| tortal | but how would you know... based on how fragile that server was... however i just joined the company.. and i get this to work with... what bothers me is the intiial problem still whicih was an ubuntu question really..... but i will take it up some other day - seems a bit complicated | 01:47 |
| dreemer | tortal: I have no idea what you're talking about. I just asked since you spoke about ssh and your server. A lot of people (the vast majority sadly) log-into their ssh sessions with passwords. Which is a VERY BAD IDEA. | 01:49 |
| dreemer | Especially on an Enterprise level | 01:50 |
| tatertots | lol enterprise level...you must be new in town | 02:03 |
| dreemer | I'm confused. I'll just pretend I didn't read that. | 02:09 |
| matsaman | dreemer: 'passwords bad' is a very commonly believed falsehood | 02:21 |
| matsaman | the passphrase you store in your head will always be more secure than any key file | 02:22 |
| matsaman | ignorance is bad (for security in particular), passphrases are not, they are merely what they are | 02:22 |
| sarnold | matsaman: brute-forced sshd passwords are believed to be the leading cause of hacked linux boxes | 02:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | matsaman: that isn't what they said at all. and I hope you know that you can password protect the private key file | 02:24 |
| dreemer | ^ | 02:24 |
| matsaman | sarnold: no, that is merely a poor conclusion drawn from people using bad (tiny) passphrases | 02:25 |
| dreemer | Wow... | 02:25 |
| matsaman | pragmaticenigma: then you're typing all day long with little additional security | 02:25 |
| dreemer | matsaman: I wouldn't want you to be securing my server cluster if that's your mindset. | 02:26 |
| matsaman | that's fine, I wouldn't want your keyfiles stored on unencrypted systems with easy physical access | 02:26 |
| matsaman | or even encrypted systems with easy physical access, for that matter | 02:27 |
| matsaman | or even encrypted systems with hard physical access, for that matter | 02:27 |
| matsaman | all of those are less secure than simply keeping it in your head | 02:27 |
| dreemer | So you're just going to walk into a protected Data Center and take all the servers in the server racks? | 02:27 |
| matsaman | if that's what your keyfile allows access to, yup | 02:28 |
| dreemer | "keeping it in your head" is where you fail. Typing your password into your terminal isn't "being kept in your head". It can easily be intercepted or logged. | 02:29 |
| matsaman | not as easily as a keyfile can be | 02:29 |
| matsaman | and not any more easily than an encrypted keyfile can be | 02:30 |
| dreemer | A keyfile (created by a SMART person) is passphrase protected and encrypted. | 02:30 |
| matsaman | well slightly more easily, as you know exactly where to listen with a keyfile, still | 02:30 |
| matsaman | it has all the same problems, and takes even more effort to utilize | 02:30 |
| matsaman | this is really simple if you stop and think about it | 02:30 |
| dreemer | No, it does not. It provides another layer of security. Of course noting is 100% | 02:31 |
| matsaman | what's more secret, a secret you've written down, or one you haven't? | 02:31 |
| matsaman | obviously the one you haven't written down | 02:31 |
| matsaman | you could do that with two passwords if that's all you wanted | 02:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | matsaman: You have moved into an offtopic discussion... let's move on | 02:31 |
| dreemer | But you typing your SSH password into the terminal daily are at a higher risk of attack than someone using a passphrase protected and encrypted key | 02:31 |
| matsaman | but you only need multiple layers of security if you're sloppy in the first place | 02:31 |
| dreemer | that is a FACT | 02:31 |
| matsaman | pragmaticenigma: _I_? =P heh, anyway sure | 02:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | dreemer, same... let's move on | 02:31 |
| dreemer | Ubuntu has SSH | 02:32 |
| dreemer | therefore it's on topic | 02:32 |
| matsaman | he's going to say that this is a support channel, not a plain chat room | 02:32 |
| matsaman | which is true | 02:32 |
| dreemer | Well, we're supporting those that know little of security levels (layers). | 02:33 |
| dreemer | However I do agree, we should move on. | 02:34 |
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| aleksandrdvorkin | is there apps like Dreamweaver in Ubuntu | 03:00 |
| matsaman | aleksandrdvorkin: for HTML? | 03:01 |
| matsaman | you could check out bluegriffon, kompozer, or nvu | 03:01 |
| aleksandrdvorkin | yes for building website | 03:01 |
| matsaman | or aptitude search '-d WYSIWYG' | 03:02 |
| hatsu | omg! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1852720 | 03:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1852720 in snapd (Ubuntu) "docker snap suddenly installed by itself" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 03:05 |
| hatsu | this bug completely ruined my system | 03:05 |
| hatsu | something in systemd completely died | 03:05 |
| hatsu | and whenever i reboot, docker comes alive and just completely wrecks my system | 03:05 |
| matsaman | that sounds amazing | 03:05 |
| hatsu | it is until you realize it caused physical damage to my 3d printer while the service was running :( | 03:07 |
| hatsu | had to go fix it downstairs | 03:07 |
| hatsu | anyways | 03:07 |
| hatsu | can someone help me? systemd has completely borked and snapd isn't coming alive which makes me unable to uninstall docker which makes this issue persistent | 03:07 |
| bagira | go in and disable the service after mounting the media with a rescue disk | 03:08 |
| hatsu | how do i disable the service? i did `systemctl disable docker` and it just says | 03:08 |
| hatsu | docker.service is not a native service, redirecting to systemd-sysv-install. | 03:08 |
| bagira | yeah you can mount the drive on a rescue cd, then chroot into the mount, and run that | 03:08 |
| hatsu | which i thought it would disable it, but it comes back online on reboot for some reason | 03:08 |
| hatsu | do i need to? i still have a degraded machine, and i can ssh into it | 03:09 |
| bagira | i have no way of knowing from here | 03:09 |
| hatsu | bagira, "disable"-ing just makes it so that it doesn't come alive on reboot right | 03:10 |
| hatsu | like, the root cause i think is docker going crazy | 03:13 |
| hatsu | which i want to uninstall, but somehow snap isn't coming online | 03:13 |
| hatsu | running snapd crashes with a segfault | 03:16 |
| hatsu | should i just reinstall | 03:20 |
| hatsu | what the heck... this is so bad. ubuntu just randomly installed malware and destroyed my system | 03:20 |
| bagira | hatsu: ubuntu didn't | 03:21 |
| hatsu | sure did | 03:21 |
| hatsu | i mean, look at the bug reports | 03:21 |
| matsaman | technically docker is in universe | 03:22 |
| matsaman | but why don't we just work on the problem instead | 03:22 |
| hatsu | sure, if anyone has suggestions i'm all ears | 03:22 |
| matsaman | hatsu: what's the problem, you boot up and what happens? | 03:22 |
| matsaman | do you have a live OS? (Ubuntu install image counts) | 03:23 |
| hatsu | yes i do | 03:23 |
| hatsu | docker immediately starts up, starts writing a crap ton of syslog log entries | 03:23 |
| hatsu | as outlined in the bug | 03:23 |
| hatsu | this is despite me systemctl disabling it | 03:23 |
| hatsu | so i just kill dockerd with `sudo killall dockerd` | 03:23 |
| hatsu | now if i look at `systemctl status` | 03:24 |
| hatsu | there are 13 degraded tasks, one of them is snapd | 03:24 |
| hatsu | which makes me unable to uninstall the snap version of docker | 03:24 |
| hatsu | quite incredible how it got deadlocked | 03:24 |
| hatsu | im not knowledgeable enough on systemd to know why snapd is not turing on | 03:24 |
| matsaman | I'd have to look it up myself, but you can just boot your live OS, chroot, and uninstall the things you don't want | 03:25 |
| hatsu | how do i do that? | 03:26 |
| matsaman | or you could try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/332019/replace-file-with-hard-link-to-dev-null | 03:26 |
| matsaman | boot your live OS, hit 'try' (obviously not 'install'), get to a terminal | 03:26 |
| matsaman | run 'lsblk' to see your devices and find your root filesystem | 03:27 |
| hatsu | yeah i've done that actually to rescue my system. the drive was borked so i had to fsck | 03:27 |
| matsaman | mount it ('mount /dev/whatever /mnt' should suffice) | 03:27 |
| matsaman | chroot /mnt /bin/bash | 03:27 |
| matsaman | and then you should probably be able to use apt/etc. commands as usual | 03:28 |
| hatsu | ok | 03:28 |
| hatsu | ill try | 03:28 |
| matsaman | although there's a small chance you might need /sys /proc and other weird things | 03:28 |
| matsaman | hatsu: you can install an IRC client on the live OS if it doesn't come with one | 03:28 |
| matsaman | so just come here once it's booted | 03:28 |
| hatsu | this is my laptop so im good | 03:28 |
| matsaman | word | 03:29 |
| hatsu | the broken box is my server :V | 03:29 |
| matsaman | that's why I only have clients | 03:29 |
| matsaman | boom-tish | 03:29 |
| hatsu | [ 12.230403] SQUASHFS error: xz decompression failed, data probably corrupt | 03:35 |
| hatsu | [ 12.230980] SQUASHFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x40be1b0 | 03:35 |
| hatsu | from dmesg | 03:35 |
| hatsu | matsaman, i haven't gone into install media yet | 03:35 |
| hatsu | matsaman, snap doesn't work while in install media | 03:43 |
| hatsu | what do | 03:43 |
| hatsu | matsaman, :( | 03:45 |
| hatsu | its actually weird | 03:45 |
| hatsu | typing a command that isn't valid like ("d") causes a segfault | 03:45 |
| matsaman | you can't boot the live OS? | 03:45 |
| hatsu | i did boot the live os | 03:45 |
| hatsu | im in the live os atm | 03:45 |
| hatsu | <hatsu> typing a command that isn't valid like ("d") causes a segfault < this happens in the actual OS as well | 03:46 |
| hatsu | and i can't start snap | 03:47 |
| hatsu | snapd runs like a local web server looks like | 03:47 |
| hatsu | it just says an error message that sounds like the web server isn't running | 03:47 |
| hatsu | should i give up | 03:49 |
| matsaman | hatsu: no, this is a small issue after the fact | 03:58 |
| hatsu | ? | 03:58 |
| matsaman | sorry I had to take care of something | 03:58 |
| hatsu | oh i already turned off my computer | 03:58 |
| hatsu | should i go back down | 03:58 |
| matsaman | hatsu: you're in the live OS and commands don't work from the chroot? | 03:58 |
| matsaman | ^ | 03:58 |
| hatsu | yeah, it's really weird | 03:58 |
| hatsu | i can tell you what i found, ask away | 03:58 |
| matsaman | live OS is fine but chroot'd OS won't run commands? | 03:59 |
| hatsu | yeah | 04:00 |
| hatsu | i did | 04:00 |
| hatsu | mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /mnt/a | 04:00 |
| matsaman | but the ordinary system works if you boot it up, briefly, before it fills up and fails? | 04:01 |
| hatsu | and then chroot /mnt/a /bin/bash | 04:01 |
| hatsu | yeah | 04:01 |
| matsaman | okay | 04:01 |
| hatsu | not briefly. there's 200GB of free space and it takes like 3 hours to fill up | 04:01 |
| matsaman | you might try making some space from the mounted system before you chroot | 04:01 |
| matsaman | oh okay | 04:01 |
| hatsu | it was | 04:01 |
| hatsu | there wasl ike 200gb free | 04:01 |
| matsaman | I'm sorry, 3 hours, we can just fix this from your ordinary system then | 04:01 |
| hatsu | and yeah so if i ssh in and killall dockerd in that 3 hour or so window | 04:01 |
| hatsu | yeahhhhh thats what i thought | 04:01 |
| matsaman | sorry =) | 04:01 |
| hatsu | <hatsu> and yeah so if i ssh in and killall dockerd in that 3 hour or so window it will be mostly stable indefinitely | 04:02 |
| matsaman | how long if you don't killall dockerd? | 04:02 |
| hatsu | haven't tested, but not too long. | 04:02 |
| hatsu | i mean i could just delete the syslog if it gets too long and it will go on indefinitely again | 04:02 |
| matsaman | hatsu: did you see this one?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1852720/comments/4 | 04:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1852720 in snapd (Ubuntu) "docker snap suddenly installed by itself" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 04:04 |
| hatsu | matsaman, i removed the apt one | 04:05 |
| hatsu | still causes issues | 04:05 |
| hatsu | can't remove the snap one because snap is borked | 04:05 |
| matsaman | hatsu: so there should be some files in /var/lib/snapd/snaps pertaining to whatever this package is | 04:06 |
| matsaman | I would imagine simply moving those files elsewhere would make it not work | 04:06 |
| matsaman | possibly also just renaming them, but not necessarily | 04:07 |
| hatsu | ill try that | 04:10 |
| hatsu | matsaman, ok i moved it, rebooting | 04:28 |
| hatsu | also bhujay got into a loop | 04:28 |
| hatsu | matsaman, ok the docker doesn't go crazy, but snap is still not working | 04:30 |
| hatsu | cloud-init and co failed, libvirtd failed, dockerd failed, snapd failed | 04:30 |
| matsaman | hatsu: but is it filling up your log? | 04:41 |
| hatsu | it is not | 04:42 |
| hatsu | but like, the server is still kinda messed up | 04:42 |
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| hatsu | hatsu@mkdr:~$ d | 04:42 |
| hatsu | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 04:42 |
| matsaman | hatsu: do you disk space? | 04:49 |
| matsaman | free space, that is | 04:49 |
| hatsu | it has disk space | 04:49 |
| hatsu | lots | 04:49 |
| matsaman | so you reboot, and all commands segfault? | 04:50 |
| bagira | hatsu: please pastebin the output of `df -h` | 04:50 |
| hatsu | matsaman, yes | 04:51 |
| matsaman | you might want to double-check from your live OS, and/or just free up some space | 04:51 |
| hatsu | https://pastebin.com/e03aPcfv | 04:51 |
| hatsu | falling asleep... might tackle it tomorrow | 05:01 |
| matsaman | sorry I'm distracted | 05:05 |
| === Disconsented_ is now known as Disconsented | ||
| === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 | ||
| cluelessperson | So, ubuntu just crashed for me | 07:52 |
| cluelessperson | I navigated to a new web page | 07:52 |
| cluelessperson | and suddenly my mouse slowed to a craw across the screen. | 07:53 |
| cluelessperson | Hard freeze, couldn't even switch out of gnome to another terminal. | 07:53 |
| cluelessperson | Reviewing logs. | 07:53 |
| cluelessperson | Not apparent logs from it | 07:54 |
| cluelessperson | I think it has to do with display drivers. | 07:54 |
| cluelessperson | I get crashes usually when I'm opening videos. | 07:55 |
| bagira | what logs did you review | 07:55 |
| cluelessperson | syslog.1 | 07:55 |
| bagira | what did journald report | 07:55 |
| cluelessperson | is there an exact command you'd like me to examine? | 07:56 |
| bagira | `sudo journalctl -f > reproduction.txt` and then make it happen again | 07:56 |
| cluelessperson | chrome is crashing over and over and over again | 08:01 |
| bagira | ok, so, are we troubleshooting the issue with your chrome crashing or are we troubleshooting the issue with your machine freezing | 08:02 |
| EriC^ | cluelessperson: which driver are you using and video card? | 08:02 |
| cluelessperson | EriC^, how can I tell? | 08:04 |
| bagira | ^ `lspci | grep PCI; lshw -c video | grep driver` | 08:04 |
| EriC^ | cluelessperson: sudo lshw -c video | 08:04 |
| bagira | oh cool lshw shows the same stuff as lspci now | 08:05 |
| cluelessperson | description: VGA compatible controller | 08:06 |
| EriC^ | !paste | 08:06 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 08:06 |
| EriC^ | cluelessperson: put the whole output of lshw -c video please | 08:06 |
| bagira | oi. in any case, after you give us the line that starts with "configuration" in your output, you'll still want to check the system journal in your repro from that command i gave you earlier if its a driver issue you're exploring | 08:07 |
| cluelessperson | EriC^, bagira https://termbin.com/zu0p | 08:08 |
| EriC^ | cluelessperson: seems intel driver and intel | 08:08 |
| cluelessperson | Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8265U CPU @ 1.60GHz | 08:09 |
| EriC^ | cluelessperson: try starting chrome from a terminal and when it crashes see the output | 08:09 |
| EriC^ | cluelessperson: also maybe look in /var/log/kern.log for previous crashes info | 08:10 |
| EriC^ | or /var/log/syslog | 08:10 |
| bagira | EriC^: kern.log and syslog both go to system journal in ubuntu | 08:11 |
| bagira | he's also saying this sometimes results in a hard lock. that, and there will be errors anyway in those files that will be unrelated and he's going to run into trouble. Might suggest using a redirect on tail to system journal to a file and reproducing to keep it clean | 08:13 |
| bagira | that way you get a good clean, isolated capture of multiple logs in one repro timeframe | 08:14 |
| bagira | file also provides persistence in event of hardlock without him having to search around | 08:15 |
| cluelessperson | bagira, I'm finding it extremely difficult to reproduce | 08:17 |
| cluelessperson | Crashes occur for different reasons. | 08:17 |
| cluelessperson | Sometimes, it's clicking a link. | 08:17 |
| cluelessperson | Sometimes it's opening VLC | 08:17 |
| cluelessperson | Sometimes it's opening youtube. | 08:17 |
| cluelessperson | etc | 08:17 |
| bagira | does anyone know who i talk to about having these k8s advertisements removed upstream? http://paste.silogroup.org/sadagosube (lines 8-10) -- this is a vanilla install with only openssh installed | 08:18 |
| Ben64 | bagira: you can disable it | 08:21 |
| bagira | i know i can disable it, i just can't suggest a server distro in the office that spams kubernetes adverts out of box | 08:21 |
| bagira | in the system log | 08:22 |
| Ben64 | ok | 08:22 |
| pennyfortheguy | hey guys, any idea why cn.mirrors.ubuntu.com points to us.mirrors.ubuntu.com? This is quite useless inside China and takes hours to download anything, have to always change to a local mirror (Aliyun, Chongqing etc) | 08:23 |
| pennyfortheguy | or who I'd report that to? | 08:23 |
| pennyfortheguy | There are like 13 China mirrors that could be used instead... : ] [ steven ] [ ztane ] | 08:25 |
| bagira | cn.mirrors.ubuntu.com doesn't resolve for me | 08:25 |
| Ben64 | neither cn.mirrors.ubuntu.com nor us.mirrors.ubuntu.com seem to exist | 08:25 |
| pennyfortheguy | sorry wrong address | 08:25 |
| pennyfortheguy | cn.archive.ubuntu.com | 08:26 |
| pennyfortheguy | that's the default one... and it points to us.archive.ubuntu.com | 08:26 |
| bagira | http://paste.silogroup.org/inohoxevah yep it does have a cname in there | 08:26 |
| bagira | to us.* | 08:26 |
| pennyfortheguy | any way to get that pointed at Aliyun's mirror or something? It's killing me here in China | 08:27 |
| pennyfortheguy | just walked into a place with 200 default ubuntu installs and had to change each one :) | 08:27 |
| bagira | that's rough lol | 08:27 |
| pennyfortheguy | "Why is this download taking 5 hours?!" "It's pointing at CN, right" "Ah... wait, why's the ping over 300?" | 08:28 |
| Ben64 | maybe none of the mirrors wanted to be the country mirror | 08:29 |
| bagira | you could set up an override zone on a local dns server for that lan and have your machines use that | 08:29 |
| pennyfortheguy | Yeah I need to get some config management in here anyway, so I should just be able to override the mirror | 08:30 |
| pennyfortheguy | but still, sucks for 1.4 billion people! | 08:30 |
| bagira | https://serverfault.com/questions/18748/overriding-some-dns-entries-in-bind-for-internal-networks | 08:30 |
| bagira | pennyfortheguy: ^ might be useful | 08:30 |
| bagira | pennyfortheguy: also you shouldn't use root to run an irc client lol | 08:31 |
| pennyfortheguy | bagira: The joys of Docker only creating root :') | 08:32 |
| pennyfortheguy | it was just a quick machine, it's fine | 08:32 |
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| dpfeiffer | Heya, I need some help. I am having issues logging in via gdm3. My password is 100% correct but under the the password box it says "that didn't work" like it does when a wrong password is entered. This is not login-loop. it is just telling me my password is wrong when i've typed it correctly. I'm currently on 19.10 Pop_os. anyone know what to do? | 10:04 |
| sftnk | Hi. I'm trying to install and run a script : https://gist.github.com/plugnburn/5b2582be521944f739e1. It says I need: Dependencies: stty, grep, iconv, od, sed, tr, cut. But some of them are not in the repos. How can I get them? | 10:11 |
| EriC^^ | sftnk: such as what | 10:12 |
| sftnk | EriC^^, stty od tr cut | 10:13 |
| sftnk | 'can't find packages' | 10:13 |
| sftnk | I ran sudo apt update. | 10:13 |
| EriC^^ | sftnk: cut is part of "coreutils" | 10:13 |
| sftnk | EriC^^, Ah. | 10:14 |
| EriC^^ | all 4 actually | 10:14 |
| sftnk | EriC^^, So I should already have them all then? | 10:14 |
| EriC^^ | yup | 10:14 |
| EriC^^ | what does "which cut" give? | 10:14 |
| sftnk | EriC^^, /usr/bin/cut | 10:15 |
| EriC^^ | all good | 10:15 |
| sftnk | EriC^^, Cool. Thanks. I need to run the script. I made it executable, but can't seem to get it to run... | 10:16 |
| sftnk | EriC^^, Oh, I just learned I need ./script! | 10:17 |
| EriC^^ | ah, great | 10:18 |
| sftnk | I'm trying to mount my Nokia phone via microusb. When I plug it in, turned on, lsusb gives Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0421:069a Nokia Mobile Phones 130 [RM-1035] (Charging only). How can I find where to mount it in /dev ? | 10:21 |
| sftnk | Okay. I think that it just mounted automatically... | 10:23 |
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| cluelessperson | :) | 10:49 |
| mexen | anyone here? | 10:51 |
| mexen | I would like to discuss snaps | 10:51 |
| mexen | I am curious how you feel about them | 10:51 |
| * sftnk doesn't know much about them aside from the fact that the servers are not opensource... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snappy_(package_manager)#Criticism Slightly dumbfounding... | 10:53 | |
| chull | ’m getting an error when I try to connect to google with firefox. It says I don’t have Javascript enabled. Is that a Ubuntu thing and what can I do to fix it? | 10:54 |
| chalcedony | hi | 10:56 |
| matsaman | hi | 11:02 |
| matsaman | mexen: I have zero interest | 11:02 |
| === chihchun_ is now known as chihchun | ||
| elh | Hello. Every mouse I use starts freezing randomly and kernel swap to older version brakes other things. How to fix it? Full description here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2429346 | 12:38 |
| mamalos | hey all, I have this strange problem on an 14.04-LTS: yesterday I dist-upgraded it (it hadn't been upgraded for a couple of years). After the upgrade, for some reason, mariadb-server was removed, and when I saw it I tried reinstalling it but I'm getting these "held broken packages" error which doesn't make much sense. | 12:44 |
| mamalos | here's the commands I'm running and the currently installed packages in my system (related to mariadb): | 12:44 |
| OerHeks | 14.04 LTS is eol, dead. | 12:45 |
| OerHeks | !trusty | 12:45 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) was the 20th release of Ubuntu. !End-of-life was April 25th, 2019. Paid support (ESM) is available. See also !esm, !eol, !eolupgrade | 12:45 |
| mamalos | here's the pastebin: https://pastebin.com/ak3X7NC0 | 12:47 |
| mamalos | You are right, I know it's out of support, but currently I have to resolve this issue, so any help would be appreciated. | 12:47 |
| mamalos | I can install mysql-server and it seems to work just fine, I was just curious why mariadb installation fails with these error messages (all required versions seem to be installed) | 12:49 |
| mamalos | *packages + versions | 12:50 |
| OerHeks | mamalos, but we do not support this anymore, good luck ! try updating lists first, but you need to do some stuff to make old repos work | 13:00 |
| OerHeks | i think you better save the db files and reinstall a supported ubuntu version | 13:01 |
| coxxman | how do you guys get updated softwere in ubuntu, the softweres are a very old | 13:02 |
| OerHeks | for waht version coxxman ? | 13:03 |
| OerHeks | c/what | 13:03 |
| coxxman | 18.04 | 13:04 |
| OerHeks | LTS gives not the latest packages, but security fixes are backported, just not new functions | 13:04 |
| OerHeks | you might want to look for PPAs, or upgrade to 19.10 with latest (tested) packages | 13:04 |
| coxxman | apt install gets many things, but most are old, snap is bulky, flatpak seems prmising thoigh | 13:04 |
| OerHeks | most are old.. just explained that, good oldies | 13:05 |
| OerHeks | LTS = stable. | 13:05 |
| mamalos | OerHeks: OK, thanks, I've installed mysql-server which seems to work just fine. It's not for a production system, it's for a university lab. | 13:05 |
| coxxman | yeah, that is probably right but stable .neq. old | 13:06 |
| OerHeks | mamalos, without the latest kernel patches, do not hang that machine on the internet | 13:06 |
| mamalos | OerHeks: no, don't worry, they're university lab PCs behind two firewalls (and NAT) and nothing is port-forwarded. | 13:07 |
| mamalos | I was just asking out of curiosity how one overcomes these problems, since they seem a bit odd. But since this is "normal" behaviour now that 14.04 is unsupported, I guess there's no point in digging any deeper. | 13:08 |
| OerHeks | no clue why it did get removed.. | 13:09 |
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| === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje | ||
| croraf | hi. i'm using XChat, why I have to identify every time and join channel | 13:25 |
| croraf | cannot i automatize that somehow | 13:26 |
| lotuspsychje | !xchat | croraf | 13:26 |
| ubottu | croraf: xchat and xchat-gnome are old IRC clients which are not actively maintained outside of Ubuntu/Debian. Some versions of Ubuntu do not include them. Please strongly consider using hexchat instead, which has good upstream support and is widely recommended by the IRC community over xchat and xchat-gnome. | 13:26 |
| croraf | thx | 13:26 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: on hexchat use the SASL method to identify | 13:27 |
| croraf | lotuspsychje hmm hexchat looks exactly the same as xchat | 13:30 |
| croraf | and on ubuntu it suggests to use nickserv to identify | 13:30 |
| ioria | croraf, XChat -> Network List -> Edit | 13:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | croraf: Hexchat is a fork of the Xchat application. Xchat isn't actively developed anymore and I don't believe it was ever patched against a rather large vulnerability 2 years ago | 13:37 |
| croraf | I cannot login with my user on freenode with Nickserv | 13:42 |
| croraf | why should this be so hard | 13:42 |
| croraf | Why doesnt ubuntu have a discord channel rather or something like that | 13:42 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: for freenode connect problems you can try #freenode | 13:43 |
| croraf | to install ubuntu I need to spend 2 days. I even cannot install it on my new pc, i cannot find latest development | 13:43 |
| croraf | it is hard to make packages for ubuntu | 13:43 |
| croraf | and now even this | 13:43 |
| ioria | croraf, disable 'global user information' ; are you here to rant or to solve a problem ? | 13:43 |
| croraf | You suggest me XChat or HexChat ioria? | 13:44 |
| croraf | ok should i select chat.feenode.net or irc.freenode.net | 13:45 |
| ioria | croraf, basically the same | 13:45 |
| croraf | ok, i see i can put a global user | 13:46 |
| croraf | ok cool i joined | 13:47 |
| ioria | good | 13:48 |
| croraf | thx | 13:48 |
| croraf | let me see if my channel list persists after quiting | 13:48 |
| croraf | OK, my channel list does not persist | 13:50 |
| croraf | How can I make my channel list, ubuntu and ubuntu+1 currenlty be on when i enter freenode | 13:50 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: thats not really the scope of this channel, here we focus on ubuntu issues | 13:51 |
| croraf | where can i ask these questions? | 13:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | crayon: You can add them to the auto join channels section in the network settings. You can also right click on the channel name in your the left side bar (or bottom tabs if that is your setup) and click "Autojoin" | 13:52 |
| pragmaticenigma | !freenode | croraf | 13:52 |
| ubottu | croraf: freenode is the IRC network that you're on! - See http://freenode.net/project - - freenode has policies that govern how people should use the network which can be read at http://freenode.net/policies - The Ubuntuchannels on freenode also have their own !Guidelines | 13:52 |
| pragmaticenigma | croraf: If you need help with freenode, /join #freenode | 13:52 |
| ioria | croraf, as before go to XChat -> Network List -> Edit -> Favotite Channel and set #ubuntu,#kubuntu+1 | 13:53 |
| ioria | croraf, Favorite Channel and set #ubuntu,#ubuntu+1 | 13:54 |
| croraf | ioria thx, i found out already | 13:54 |
| ioria | croraf, ok | 13:54 |
| croraf | its actually autojoin channels option, but lets not discuss any more so i dont get banned first day :) | 13:55 |
| croraf | ok, i continue hoping to be able to use ubuntu on my new laptop | 14:04 |
| croraf | the current status is I manage to start Try out Ubuntu with nomodeset acpi=off and modprobe.blacklist=nouveau | 14:04 |
| croraf | But unable to install it even with these flags. | 14:05 |
| croraf | and that goes to 18.04.3. 19.10 and 20.04 daily build cannot be started anyhow | 14:06 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 14:24 |
| croraf | This is my reported bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1852636 | 14:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1852636 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot install any release on HP Omen 17-cb0013nm " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:27 |
| croraf | But I should focus maybe only on why 18.04.3 cannot install while it can be used in try it out mode with the above flags | 14:27 |
| ryuo | croraf: latest BIOS? | 14:28 |
| ryuo | Ok. | 14:29 |
| croraf | yes, latest F16 from HP | 14:30 |
| ryuo | croraf: so what's wrong? | 14:30 |
| ryuo | you can't boot the installer? | 14:30 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: did you try pci=biosirq | 14:31 |
| croraf | What does it mean boot? | 14:31 |
| ryuo | uh... boot into the livecd? | 14:31 |
| ryuo | you say you can't install, but that doesn't tell us how far you get. | 14:32 |
| croraf | It was my first bug, and I had much less info when I opened it. | 14:32 |
| croraf | I should update my findings. | 14:32 |
| croraf | Yes, I have to focus on the breaking part. | 14:32 |
| ryuo | if it's just the installer that's going goofy, another method may exist if you can still boot a linux live CD. | 14:32 |
| croraf | The situation is the following now: I can "try it live" with nomodeset modprobe.blacklist=nouveau acpi=off | 14:33 |
| ryuo | what happens if you leave ACPI on? | 14:33 |
| croraf | When I boot like that (if boot is correct term) I have the option to install | 14:33 |
| croraf | I can do that and click on Install and report back | 14:33 |
| croraf | Or, I can try the same option in GRUB install? | 14:34 |
| ryuo | but, the #1 red flag I see is the nvidia GPU. in laptops these are usually dual GPUs which are not well supported in Linux to date. | 14:34 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: In BIOS settings, is it set to RAID and not AHCI? | 14:34 |
| croraf | I dont have that option jeremy31 | 14:34 |
| croraf | in BIOS | 14:34 |
| croraf | or as one guy said it is the "UEFI configurer" | 14:35 |
| croraf | It is latest Nvidia 2080 RTX | 14:35 |
| croraf | Btw guys, you can check much more details here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1852636 | 14:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1852636 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot install any release on HP Omen 17-cb0013nm " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:35 |
| croraf | the problem now I have is I have windows on, so I don't know how to install Ubuntu allong, for them to be separate | 14:36 |
| ryuo | croraf: maybe we can help you, but my advice is to do your homework. you're taking a shot in the dark if you just buy any old windows laptop and assume you can get Linux working 100%. | 14:36 |
| croraf | I managed to make 3 partitions. | 14:36 |
| ryuo | anyway. | 14:36 |
| ryuo | let's see what we have here. | 14:37 |
| croraf | ryuo sorry I don't understand your last sentence "you're taking a shot in the dark if you just buy any old windows laptop and assume you can get Linux working 100%." | 14:37 |
| croraf | It is not an old windows laptop | 14:37 |
| croraf | it is newest HP laptop | 14:37 |
| ryuo | irrelevant; my point was you can't expect any random windows laptop to just work flawlessly under Linux. it's very model specific what experience you'll have. | 14:38 |
| croraf | I dont need some cool features and installed applications on Ubuntu, they should focus on making all laptops work :) | 14:38 |
| croraf | but what means windows laptop? | 14:38 |
| ryuo | pretty much every laptop made these days. they're usually only built with windows in mind. | 14:38 |
| croraf | that is true | 14:38 |
| ryuo | some hardware may not work at all or so. | 14:39 |
| jeremy31 | And HP is known to do weird things | 14:39 |
| ryuo | you may have issues like this. | 14:39 |
| ryuo | i've had best luck when i avoid laptops with discrete GPUs. | 14:39 |
| ryuo | they're more likely to work without issue under Linux. | 14:39 |
| croraf | but what can be a problem, the motherboard, the SSD, the graphics card, the processor, the memory | 14:39 |
| croraf | the wifi card, what? | 14:39 |
| ryuo | uh... | 14:39 |
| ryuo | wifi card, sound, GPU support... | 14:39 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: Your wifi card looks to be unsupported so I doubt it would cause issues | 14:39 |
| ryuo | ethernet in rare cases. | 14:40 |
| lotuspsychje | my bet is on the RTX card | 14:40 |
| lotuspsychje | those cards need latest nvidia drivers | 14:40 |
| croraf | Yes, wifi card needs 5.1+ kernel, and 18.04 is 5.0 :( | 14:40 |
| croraf | but guys, it boots without installing :) | 14:40 |
| ryuo | i don't call that a win... | 14:40 |
| croraf | (and with a lot of options :D ) | 14:40 |
| ryuo | having to turn off ACPI is a big problem. | 14:41 |
| croraf | but that should point us to the problem | 14:41 |
| croraf | ryuo true that :( | 14:41 |
| ryuo | it should not be ap ermanent fix. | 14:41 |
| ryuo | maybe enough to get it installed and setup though. | 14:41 |
| ryuo | i wouldn't worry about wifi if you can use ethernet for now. | 14:41 |
| croraf | I can | 14:41 |
| croraf | Let me tell you this | 14:41 |
| croraf | I once in my 1000 tries managed to start 19.10 | 14:41 |
| croraf | But I cannot reproduce | 14:42 |
| croraf | And wifi worked | 14:42 |
| croraf | DOnt remember, but I think was Try it out with safe graphics and other options | 14:42 |
| ryuo | your best bet is to try to force it to start with VESA graphics for now. | 14:42 |
| croraf | My hope is at least in februrary ti will work on 18.04.4 | 14:42 |
| ryuo | uh... you may want to wait until 20.04 | 14:43 |
| croraf | Or in april on 20.04 | 14:43 |
| ryuo | even then | 14:43 |
| croraf | OK, but thats why I'm taking actions now | 14:43 |
| croraf | So perhaps the dev team focuses on the problem and fixes it until 20.04 | 14:43 |
| ryuo | hm. i have an idea. | 14:43 |
| croraf | otherwise would be disaster, the laptop costs 3500 USD | 14:44 |
| ryuo | but it's a long shot. | 14:44 |
| ryuo | an expert option I use from time to time. | 14:44 |
| croraf | There was a suggestion someone gave me, where it said I should install with -b option or something like that | 14:44 |
| ryuo | problem #1 is figuring out how to get it to boot. | 14:44 |
| croraf | which installs without bootloader or something. | 14:44 |
| croraf | what do you mean by "boot" | 14:45 |
| ryuo | "boot" is the term used for starting an OS. | 14:45 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: did you try booting legacy yet? | 14:45 |
| croraf | (btw no need to solve it today, just pinpoint the problems a bit better, and define further actions) | 14:45 |
| ryuo | is legacy even available on a machine this new? | 14:45 |
| croraf | lotuspsychje I think not | 14:45 |
| ryuo | i've had some newer UEFI machines with no CSM. | 14:45 |
| croraf | I do have legacy option in BIOS | 14:45 |
| ryuo | croraf: ok. can you try booting the ubuntu server live cd? | 14:46 |
| croraf | (again this IRC is disaster, I cannot find my yesterdays chat with the guy who had expert knowledge and ideas) | 14:46 |
| ryuo | if you can boot to that, then maybe we can actually get somewhere. | 14:46 |
| croraf | ryuo how will ubuntu server help | 14:47 |
| croraf | I'm a bit tired of booting, if you trust me I tried booting 40 times in 3 days :D | 14:47 |
| ryuo | croraf: it'll help us test some things, like how you can get booted into a linux environment. | 14:47 |
| ryuo | it has no X server. | 14:47 |
| croraf | Mageia linux, Fedora31, Debian11, Ubuntu 18.04 19.10 20.04 | 14:47 |
| ryuo | so it's good for troubleshooting issues. | 14:47 |
| ryuo | sometimes a system will boot but locks up trying to start X. | 14:48 |
| croraf | ryuo, what do you say I try install 18.04.3 now, and tell you the exact error where it breaks | 14:48 |
| ryuo | croraf: i guess that works. i'm just thinking how I would investigate if i had physical access. | 14:49 |
| croraf | ok | 14:49 |
| croraf | sure | 14:49 |
| ryuo | ubuntu server is a good POR because it's a minimal cd. | 14:49 |
| ryuo | if the regular live environment isn't working, it might be possible to do this all from a CLI one. | 14:50 |
| croraf | ok, im downloading it | 14:51 |
| croraf | When I try to install ubuntu, it tells me I already have ubuntu installed | 14:51 |
| ryuo | i see. | 14:51 |
| croraf | So something got through, just when I try to boot | 14:51 |
| croraf | It enters in windows | 14:52 |
| ryuo | are you intending to dual boot? | 14:52 |
| croraf | When I installed I didnt know to select the correct partition | 14:52 |
| croraf | So I installed with the option like "Use Windows bootloader" | 14:52 |
| croraf | I wanted to have separate partitions, one with Windows one with Ubuntu, and select OS on laptop start | 14:53 |
| lotuspsychje | ryuo: his bug #1852636 | 14:53 |
| ubottu | bug 1852636 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot install any release on HP Omen 17-cb0013nm " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1852636 | 14:53 |
| ryuo | ok... given the issues, maybe it would be best to start from scratch. | 14:53 |
| croraf | but this is not happening. I tried F2 on laptop start, and it showed me like Windows Bootloader, Ubuntu Bootloader | 14:53 |
| ryuo | truth is, afaik, the installer doesn't include any special parameters you used to boot the installer environment. | 14:54 |
| croraf | When I installed I used nomodeset modeprob.blacklist=nouveau and acpi=off | 14:54 |
| ryuo | so... that may be why it's not booting now. | 14:54 |
| croraf | could be | 14:55 |
| croraf | But I expected for it to at least ask me do I want to boot Windows or Ubuntu | 14:55 |
| croraf | And when I select Ubuntu to crash | 14:55 |
| croraf | But it enters windows immediately | 14:55 |
| ryuo | it may be easier to blank the drive and reinstall both to a preallocated partition scheme... | 14:56 |
| ryuo | that's what i normally do for dual booting arrangements. | 14:56 |
| croraf | But I see strange partitions there | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | croraf, so no grub bootloader shows at boot | 14:56 |
| croraf | I named partitions like there was the windows one, and i named the rest like ubuntu, ubuntu2 | 14:56 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: for an HP go into BIOS settings, system configuration, OS boot loade and put ubuntu on top of the list then press F10 twice | 14:57 |
| croraf | BluesKaj, when I start without the Ubuntu USB it enters in windows | 14:57 |
| croraf | When I havfe Ubuntu bootable USB it enters the GRUB | 14:57 |
| croraf | ok, i downloaded server | 14:58 |
| ryuo | croraf: have you ever installed windows before? | 14:58 |
| croraf | I installed it on this machine | 14:58 |
| croraf | it was free dos | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: from your dmesg= can't find IRQ for PCI INT A; please try using pci=biosirq | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | did you try that? | 14:58 |
| croraf | this machine = themachine we talk about | 14:58 |
| ryuo | Ok, so you have. | 14:58 |
| ryuo | croraf: first let's see what we can do about your booting situation. | 14:59 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: you got all sorts of those IRQ warnings | 14:59 |
| croraf | lotuspsychje I tried something similar, maybe even you suggested yesterday that, but I dont remember exactly | 14:59 |
| croraf | I can try | 14:59 |
| croraf | I have 1000000000 of warnings :( | 14:59 |
| ryuo | croraf: but quick question, why do you want to dual boot these? | 15:00 |
| BluesKaj | croraf, try what jeremy31 suggested above | 15:00 |
| lotuspsychje | nvidia-gpu 0000:01:00.3: can't find IRQ for PCI INT D; please try using pci=biosirq | 15:00 |
| ryuo | if you just want a ubuntu environment for development it may be easier just to use a VM from windows. | 15:00 |
| croraf | well, I only want ubuntu, but its not possible, so i installed windows to at least try the laptop | 15:00 |
| croraf | and it helped me to upgrade bios | 15:00 |
| ryuo | Ok. | 15:00 |
| jeremy31 | HP wont allow ubuntu to change the EFI boot order | 15:00 |
| ryuo | that's weird. my ProBook didn't have that issue. | 15:01 |
| ryuo | I got it last year. | 15:01 |
| ryuo | then again it's not a consumer HP. | 15:01 |
| croraf | OK, I entered the GRUB for 18.04.3 | 15:04 |
| croraf | One thing to note, it doesnt even say what am I installing.... | 15:04 |
| croraf | Why not show there, the GRUB is for Ubuntu 18.04.3 ...detailed version... | 15:04 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: try to avoid describing every step here please, and only ask, where you are stuck | 15:04 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: so the channel keeps free for other users that need help as well, tnx | 15:05 |
| croraf | ok, how do you suggest me to boot it out now, from what you know? | 15:05 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: if you noticed, volunteers have asked/adviced you several things now to answer and try | 15:06 |
| croraf | lotuspsychje | i cannot try 10 things in parallel | 15:10 |
| croraf | i appreciate help | 15:10 |
| croraf | but im confused | 15:10 |
| croraf | you want me to try with which specific options, you said pci=biosirq | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: work systematic, try 1 thing at a time | 15:11 |
| croraf | Try it out, Install or what, any other options | 15:11 |
| croraf | options = flags | 15:11 |
| croraf | (in parallel Ill burn server ISO on usb) | 15:11 |
| croraf | (ryuo | i made 18.04.3 server startup disk) I managed to boot "Try it out" with only "nomodeset acpi=off" | 15:19 |
| OerHeks | acpi=off is a bad idea, how are your fans doing? | 15:21 |
| croraf | They are on max | 15:23 |
| croraf | medium actually | 15:24 |
| croraf | I would like to update the bug with this new configuration I used to start (without the modprobe.blacklist=nouveau flag). Cann I do another "apport-collect ID"? | 15:25 |
| ioria | croraf, have you tried 19.10 desktop iso ? | 15:25 |
| croraf | I did, much worse than 19.10, cannot even enter in try out mode. | 15:25 |
| croraf | OK now my pc crashed | 15:25 |
| croraf | like it overheated | 15:25 |
| ioria | croraf, if you have trx i'd try again with 19.10; how did you make the media ? | 15:26 |
| ioria | *rtx | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje | croraf: just add a new comment, dont spam your bug with new apport-collect | 15:27 |
| croraf | ioria I have RTX. I tried with 19.10 several times. With very bad results (cannot boot anyhow). I made the media with Ubuntus Startup Disk Creator | 15:28 |
| ioria | croraf, so you have ubuntu already installed ? | 15:29 |
| lotuspsychje | ioria: bug #1852636 | 15:30 |
| ubottu | bug 1852636 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot install any release on HP Omen 17-cb0013nm " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1852636 | 15:30 |
| ioria | lotuspsychje, tx | 15:30 |
| lotuspsychje | ioria: check the IRQ issues in his dmesg | 15:30 |
| croraf | Just to say, the bug suddenly got 250 heat-points in the last hour. Like it is a security issue, which doesnt seem like :/ | 15:31 |
| ioria | croraf, so you have ubuntu already installed ? | 15:31 |
| croraf | ioria | i kinda managed to install it yesterday, but with error at the end, saying like it wont be able to boot. And as I have windows installed on it also, it immediately enters the Windows OS | 15:32 |
| ioria | croraf, the first thing i'd suggest and make a new bootable media with 'dd' on linux or etcher or rufus on windows (usb must bigger than 2 giga) | 15:33 |
| freq | run i2p join the ircd | 15:34 |
| ioria | croraf, using a 19.10 iso | 15:34 |
| croraf | Why do you think that would help? | 15:34 |
| lotuspsychje | freq: can we help you? | 15:34 |
| freq | yeah, how do i install i2p in ubuntu | 15:34 |
| ioria | croraf, honestly, 'casue i don't trust Startup Disk Creator | 15:34 |
| OerHeks | freq, and in what ubuntu version? | 15:35 |
| freq | 19 | 15:35 |
| OerHeks | i think you need the i2p ppa -- https://launchpad.net/~i2p-maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/i2p | 15:36 |
| freq | nice! thanks! | 15:36 |
| lotuspsychje | !info i2p | 15:36 |
| ubottu | i2p (source: i2p): Invisible Internet Project (I2P) - anonymous network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.41-2 (eoan), package size 65 kB, installed size 371 kB | 15:36 |
| OerHeks | and 'i2prouter start' starts the browsing | 15:37 |
| freq | does the irc work instantly | 15:37 |
| ioria | croraf, ok (please, keep it in the public channel) | 15:38 |
| ioria | croraf, try this parameter : pci=nommconf | 15:39 |
| croraf | with try it out (safe graphics)? | 15:39 |
| freq | ok i found it. connect to 127.0.0.1 port 6668 | 15:40 |
| freq | it's already running | 15:40 |
| ioria | croraf, yeah | 15:40 |
| freq | ty | 15:40 |
| croraf | (ok good news is that my laptop didnt overheat when running 18.04 with nomodeset acpi=off, but the charger wasnt connected so it run out of battery :/ ) | 15:47 |
| croraf | ioria it managed to start | 15:47 |
| croraf | :)))))))))))))))) | 15:47 |
| ioria | ok | 15:47 |
| croraf | with nomodeset and pci=nommconf | 15:47 |
| croraf | Some ACPI errors at the beggining | 15:47 |
| croraf | I have an image, should I update the bug | 15:47 |
| ioria | croraf, you should try to install | 15:48 |
| croraf | ioria | if you wish to see the image with the errors when booting "Try it out" as you suggested please check the update to my bug | 15:53 |
| croraf | Now I have the question. As I said I do have windows on, and the install of 18.04.3 did partially succeed. So now it asks me "The comuter has Windows Boot Manager and Ubuntu 18 on it". Should I "Erase Ubuntu and reinstall" or something else. Note I did create 3 partitions. | 15:55 |
| croraf | "Something else" otpion says I can resize partitions or choose multiple partitions for Ubuntu | ioria | 15:55 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: can you run this in terminal and post URL> efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999 | 15:56 |
| croraf | b7u2 | jeremy31 | 15:58 |
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| jeremy31 | croraf: I think you can change that in BIOS/system config/OS boot settings, put ubuntu on top of the list and press F10 twice | 16:00 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: or try in terminal> sudo efibootmgr -O 0000,0003 | 16:03 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: But I don't think HP will accept the change and just boot Windows and the change has to be done in BIOS | 16:04 |
| croraf | jeremy31 when I boot PC I can press F10 to enter BIOS and F2 to enter some other boot options | 16:05 |
| croraf | In BIOS (UEFI configuration) I can reorder to boot USB hard_disk USB_flash and so | 16:06 |
| croraf | But I have to go into F2 stuff | 16:06 |
| croraf | F2 is something like this: https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/129370i08322F222E5DD146?v=1.0 | 16:07 |
| uldics | Hi! I have a problem of a command of wallpaper changing not working correctly from a launcher (and automatic start after desktop login). The command works when I open a terminal and execute it there. But when run from a launcher (icon) it just makes my wallpaper light blue, like not finding the file. I am on Mate DE, but I think the problem might not be Mate related. The command is: gsettings set org.mate.background picture-filename "$(f | 16:08 |
| uldics | ind ~/Pictures/Wallpapers -type f | shuf -n1)" | 16:08 |
| uldics | Need some advice, what I am missing. Can it not find the session, does it need to preload something? | 16:08 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: do you have a screen like this in BIOS https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/80932i7B581C94E24EC986?v=1.0 | 16:09 |
| ioria | croraf, of course you have to replace the old 18.04 with the new 19.10 install | 16:09 |
| OerHeks | !info wallch | 16:11 |
| ubottu | wallch (source: wallch): wallpaper changer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.0-0ubuntu5 (eoan), package size 581 kB, installed size 1444 kB | 16:11 |
| OerHeks | easy tool for your task, uldics | 16:11 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: you need to use OS boot manager under the UEFI boot order to give ubuntu priority | 16:11 |
| croraf | jeremy31 In HP Setup Utility (F10) under Boot Options->Boot Order I see UEFI boot order (highlighted) and Legacy boot order. | 16:12 |
| croraf | On UEFI Boot order I have USB, USB, OS Boot Manager (with only Windows Boot Manager) | 16:13 |
| croraf | I think during 18.04.3 install it said something with that failed, and I wont be able to boot Ubuntu. | 16:13 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: grub-amd64-efi can not be installed to /target? | 16:14 |
| croraf | I think, yes. But cannot be sure. | 16:15 |
| croraf | Let me try to install fresh 19.10 with only nomodeset and pci=nommconf | 16:15 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: install without internet connection, that should allow grub to install | 16:15 |
| uldics | OerHeks, Yes, there probably is such a program, but I would like to understand, what I am missing and avoid installing something when I can do without :) | 16:16 |
| croraf | jeremy31 yes, that was the error, i even googled it https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028703/the-grub-efi-amd64-signed-package-failed-to-install-target | 16:17 |
| Shinobi_ | Are the new Ryzen 3000 series chips working well with the new linux kernels now? I had heard there were issues with RNGs and booting. | 16:17 |
| ioria | uldics, i used that cmd before, but it was gsettings set org.<your_de>.desktop.background picture-uri file:///home/$USER/Pictures ; idk if it helps | 16:20 |
| uldics | ioria: Yes, that worked for me some years ago, but not now | 16:24 |
| croraf | jeremy31 ioria | i'm doing 19.10 installation with "nomodeset pci=nommconf". I selected "minimal installation" and without "third party drivers" and without "download updates during install" | 16:26 |
| croraf | Installation completed without errors. I have to restart now. | 16:26 |
| ioria | croraf, if you have black screen, bott with 'nomodeset' | 16:26 |
| jeremy31 | croraf: check the BIOS OS boot manager, to see if ubuntu is present | 16:26 |
| croraf | I removed media and restarted. I'm in GRUB now, I can select "Ubuntu" "Windows Buut Manager" "Advanced options for Ubuntu" | 16:27 |
| croraf | lets try ubuntu | 16:28 |
| croraf | screen crashed | 16:28 |
| croraf | I entered with nomodeset. Maybe there were some errors at the beggining but I'm in :) | 16:29 |
| ioria | croraf, cat /proc/cmdline | 16:30 |
| croraf | it kinda crashed now, after 20 sec, when I pressed to show the first startup report | 16:31 |
| ioria | croraf, in terminal, typ cat /proc/cmdline | 16:31 |
| croraf | i cannot enter the terminal, it kinda went black screen and is now on ubuntu loading screen, stuck | 16:32 |
| ioria | croraf, swith to a console ctrl+alt+f3 | 16:32 |
| croraf | i repeated, it crashes after 10 sec of being on desktop. In ctrl+alt+F3 it infinitely outpiuts No handler or method for GPE 10, disabling event... | 16:35 |
| ioria | croraf, boot again with nomodest and pci=nommconf | 16:37 |
| croraf | seems to work ok with that |ioria | 16:41 |
| ioria | croraf, open terminal; cat /proc/cmdline | 16:41 |
| pedrow | cr4gn: huhu | 16:42 |
| pedrow | raver2: huhu | 16:42 |
| croraf | ioria | http://termbin.com/64se (I learned something ;) ) | 16:44 |
| ioria | croraf, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade | 16:44 |
| croraf | done (it even offered me itself software updates) ioria | 16:48 |
| renata444 | hey I have a drive at /media/norman/c8515d79-68c2-4da1-9e85-b6aadd2a9575/ and I would like to rename it to something easier and more descriptive, like "1TBdrive". what is the best , easiest way to do this please? | 16:48 |
| ioria | croraf, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:48 |
| croraf | (ioria just to say I even have wifi on 19.10 now, didnt check if prior to update I had it) | 16:50 |
| ioria | croraf, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:50 |
| croraf | empty response | 16:51 |
| ioria | croraf, ubuntu-drivers list | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:51 |
| croraf | empty | 16:52 |
| croraf | i have to sudo | 16:52 |
| ioria | croraf, simply run 'ubuntu-drivers list' and paste the output | 16:53 |
| ioria | brb | 16:53 |
| === raver2 is now known as raver | ||
| croraf | nvidia-driver-430, nvidia-driver-435 backport-iwlwifi-dkms | 16:53 |
| OerHeks | add the fix to your own bugreport | 16:54 |
| croraf | 440.31 is recoomended on nvidia page for my system | 16:54 |
| croraf | OerHeks, you think it is fixed? | 16:55 |
| OerHeks | no, 410 and up https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/138279/en-us | 16:55 |
| OerHeks | croraf, you have booted succesfully, so do you think it is fixed? | 16:56 |
| croraf | https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us if you go here it shows 440 when you enter | 16:56 |
| aleksandrdvorkin | hi guys | 16:56 |
| croraf | well, i booted with nomodeset and that other option nommconf | 16:56 |
| OerHeks | that url is the latest, but your card is supported from 410 and up | 16:56 |
| croraf | + | 16:56 |
| croraf | nomodeset could be solved now, lets see what about nommconf | 16:56 |
| OerHeks | so, 430 or 435 would do | 16:57 |
| croraf | when I play my first Dota2 game on highest settings I will call it solved :D | 16:57 |
| aleksandrdvorkin | what Graphic Design software does Ubuntu has compared to DreamWeaver for instance | 16:57 |
| croraf | If this is solved, I'll have to transfer some bitcoins to ioria | 16:58 |
| ioria | croraf, yep, try to install 435 , if it fails we'll install 440 from ppa | 16:58 |
| croraf | 435 is isntalled, isnt it | 16:59 |
| croraf | <ioria> croraf, simply run 'ubuntu-drivers list' and paste the output | 17:00 |
| croraf | <ioria> brb | 17:00 |
| croraf | * raver2 is now known as raver | 17:00 |
| croraf | <croraf> nvidia-driver-430, nvidia-driver-435 backport-iwlwifi-dkms | 17:00 |
| ioria | croraf, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 | 17:02 |
| OerHeks | i think you should add to your own bugreport now, as you can boot properly. | 17:02 |
| aleksandrdvorkin | what is the software that you would recommend for Web Design in Ubuntu? | 17:03 |
| OerHeks | else volunteers work for nothing, you see | 17:03 |
| ArthurStrong | Hi all. Any cmus users? How to set a directory from command line? | 17:03 |
| croraf | ioria that gives blank output as i already said | 17:03 |
| ioria | croraf, so, nvidia-driver-435 is NOT installed | 17:04 |
| ioria | croraf, try 'drivers' in Activities and open it, then go to Additional Drivers | 17:05 |
| raver | cr4gn: ✌️🙂 | 17:05 |
| OerHeks | aleksandrdvorkin, libreoffice can do that, else see the snapstore https://snapcraft.io/store | 17:05 |
| apawl | Having issues with an ubuntu desktop that previously booted fine, but after powering down won't start up the OS anymore | 17:06 |
| OerHeks | there is no good dreamweaver alternative AFAIK | 17:06 |
| apawl | The eror is "Invalid IPMI type 0" | 17:06 |
| apawl | Can anybody help me interpret what that means? | 17:07 |
| aleksandrdvorkin | like LibreOffice impress? | 17:07 |
| croraf | ioria yes nouvau is selected | 17:07 |
| croraf | i can select others | 17:07 |
| ioria | croraf, select 435 driver, when is done DO NOT reboot | 17:07 |
| croraf | i will, just let me tell you that below Nvidia I also have "Intel Corporation Unknown" section with remark "This device is not working" | 17:09 |
| ioria | croraf, don't worry about it now | 17:10 |
| croraf | ok, I did, it automatically ran the pass "applying changes..." | 17:12 |
| croraf | the 435 is in use, and it didnt ask me a restart | 17:12 |
| ioria | croraf, ok, cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999 | 17:12 |
| croraf | http://termbin.com/awht2 | 17:13 |
| croraf | ioria | 17:13 |
| ioria | croraf, ok, change this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=nommconf" | 17:13 |
| ioria | croraf, sudo nano /etc/default/grub and add pci=nommconf after quiet splash | 17:15 |
| croraf | did, should i restart now? | 17:16 |
| croraf | ioria | 17:16 |
| ioria | croraf, sudo update-grub | 17:16 |
| croraf | did ioria | 17:17 |
| ioria | croraf, cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999 | 17:17 |
| croraf | termbin.com/ef4y | 17:18 |
| croraf | ioria | 17:18 |
| ioria | croraf, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 | 17:18 |
| croraf | i checked this, a lot of drivers shown | 17:19 |
| croraf | now, after install | 17:19 |
| ioria | croraf, ok, then reboot | 17:19 |
| croraf | termbin.com rmy4 ioria | 17:19 |
| ioria | croraf, try a reboot | 17:20 |
| croraf | i cannot login | 17:21 |
| croraf | when i enter password and click unlock it returns me to user selection ioria | 17:22 |
| croraf | but everything seems to be working fine | 17:22 |
| croraf | it is the correct password, because when incorrect it shows "sorry, try again" | 17:23 |
| croraf | but when i input correct password it just returns me to user selection | 17:23 |
| ioria | croraf, so 435 not working, you need to open a console purge 435 and try 440 from ppa; i have to go away from keyborad for 1 hour, sorry ; i'll be back | 17:23 |
| croraf | ok, i can add 440 my own | 17:24 |
| croraf | see you later | 17:24 |
| ryuo | croraf: so it's booting now? | 17:30 |
| croraf | no, i tried with nomodeset and nothing | 17:33 |
| croraf | I mean it booted but my mouse and keyboard not working | 17:33 |
| croraf | ryuo | 17:34 |
| croraf | I thought you ioria. | 17:34 |
| croraf | It worked with "nomodeset pci=nommconf" | 17:34 |
| croraf | With Nouveau drivers, but now when I installed 435 Nvidia drivers it doesnt boot properly. | 17:34 |
| croraf | I have to somehow return the drivers to Nouveau now | 17:35 |
| croraf | do you know how | ryuo | 17:35 |
| SimonNL | same way you made it use Nvidia I'm thinking | 17:36 |
| ryuo | croraf: yes, but it's very involved. it may be easier just to reinstall and try a newer version. | 17:36 |
| croraf | SimonNL I did that after I booted, now I cannot boot | 17:37 |
| ryuo | recovery from a livecd is one option but it's not easy to explain to a novice. | 17:37 |
| SimonNL | nomodeset should be possible again | 17:39 |
| croraf | i tried that, it passes the login screen (actually ignores it I think) but my mouse and keyboard not working | 17:39 |
| ryuo | do you have an external device you can try? | 17:40 |
| croraf | I can enter Ubuntu (recovery mode) where it has Repair broken packages | 17:40 |
| croraf | I do have live boot cd | 17:41 |
| ryuo | i meant external input devices | 17:41 |
| croraf | mouse is external input device, isnt it? | 17:42 |
| ryuo | well, some people call the touchpad a mouse. | 17:42 |
| croraf | aha. i meant normal mouse usb connected | 17:43 |
| croraf | not workin, touch i think also not workin, keyboard neither | 17:43 |
| ryuo | does caps lock LED do anything? | 17:43 |
| ryuo | if not, then the whole system is likely locked up. | 17:43 |
| croraf | locked completly, it didnt went through login screen also | 17:44 |
| ryuo | croraf: did you try booting without nomodeset with these drivers active? | 17:49 |
| apawl | I've got my root filesystem open from a livecd, I've made a modification to `/etc/default/grub`. How do I commit this change? If I run `update-grub`, that will be the live usb's grub, right? | 17:49 |
| apawl | Not the grub from the machine whose fs I've mounted? | 17:49 |
| ryuo | apawl: that requires a chroot to properly work. | 17:50 |
| ryuo | mount root somewhere and mount the other vital FS. | 17:50 |
| ryuo | dev, devpts, sys, proc | 17:50 |
| ryuo | any /boot partitions as well need to be mounted. | 17:51 |
| ryuo | if using EFI or a separate boot partition | 17:51 |
| apawl | Ok, so here's what I see for mounting: | 17:51 |
| apawl | sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev sudo mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/ptssudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/procsudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/syssudo chroot /mnt | 17:51 |
| croraf | ryuo I did. Now I cannot pass the login screen even with nomodeset. | 17:51 |
| apawl | gross, sorry for formatting | 17:51 |
| ryuo | bind mounts, ugly and unnecesary. | 17:52 |
| ryuo | mount -t devtmpfs none <root>/dev | 17:52 |
| ryuo | mount -t sysfs none <root>/dev | 17:52 |
| ryuo | err | 17:52 |
| ryuo | mount -t sysfs none <root>/sys | 17:52 |
| ryuo | mount -t proc none <root>/proc | 17:52 |
| ryuo | mount -t devpts none <root>/dev/pts | 17:52 |
| ryuo | and that's the bare minimum. you may also need to mount other partitions depending on what your installation is. | 17:53 |
| apawl | Ok. So devtmpfs, sysfc, proc, and devpts? You mentioned boot as well? | 17:53 |
| ryuo | depends. | 17:53 |
| ryuo | if you have any other root directories on separate partitions | 17:54 |
| ryuo | you need to mount those too | 17:54 |
| apawl | Nope, all on the same partition. | 17:54 |
| ryuo | how do you boot? | 17:54 |
| ryuo | Legacy? | 17:54 |
| ryuo | if UEFI, you should have a /boot/efi directory under your root. | 17:55 |
| ryuo | you need to mount this as well if so. | 17:55 |
| apawl | I'm not sure how to answer that. I just use grub. | 17:55 |
| ryuo | see if the root directory has an efi directory under boot | 17:55 |
| apawl | I'm trying to turn on verbose logging from grub, so I can see what happens leading up to a kernel error re: IPMI | 17:55 |
| ryuo | not the live cd, the installation. | 17:55 |
| apawl | Ok checking | 17:55 |
| ryuo | if there's no EFI directory then you obviously are not using it currently. | 17:56 |
| ryuo | ubuntu creates this directory during installation if it's installing an EFI bootloader. it mounts the ESP there. | 17:57 |
| apawl | Oh, it looks like boot is a separate partition.. I guess it would have to be since the installation is encrypted. | 17:57 |
| apawl | Need to mount that and check.. | 17:57 |
| ryuo | not necessarily. it depends. | 17:57 |
| ryuo | it's possible to have /boot on an encrypted partition but it requires some work. it doesn't work with the official installer. | 17:57 |
| apawl | This is just from the official installer | 17:58 |
| ryuo | ok then it's separate. | 17:58 |
| apawl | Ok, I've got the installation root fs mounted to /mnt | 17:58 |
| ryuo | you'll need to mount /boot then too. | 17:58 |
| apawl | Do I want to mount the boot partition in /mnt/boot, or a separate /mnt2? | 17:58 |
| ryuo | it has to be mounted under the same mount point. | 17:58 |
| ryuo | there's no choice in the matter. | 17:58 |
| apawl | Ok. | 17:59 |
| ryuo | so /mnt/boot | 17:59 |
| apawl | ok, I don't see anything EFI in /mnt/boot | 17:59 |
| ryuo | ok then it's probably using legacy mode. | 17:59 |
| ryuo | nothing else to deal with there. | 17:59 |
| apawl | System.map-4.15.0-65-generic grub memtest86+.elfSystem.map-4.15.0-69-generic initrd.img-4.15.0-65-generic memtest86+_multiboot.binSystem.map-4.15.0-70-generic initrd.img-4.15.0-69-generic vmlinuz-4.15.0-65-genericconfig-4.15.0-65-generic initrd.img-4.15.0-70-generic | 17:59 |
| apawl | vmlinuz-4.15.0-69-genericconfig-4.15.0-69-generic lost+found vmlinuz-4.15.0-70-genericconfig-4.15.0-70-generic memtest86+.bin | 17:59 |
| apawl | Gross. Sorry about formatting.. I'm on a web client. | 18:00 |
| ryuo | mount that and the runtime FS i mentioned | 18:00 |
| ryuo | then you're ready for anything you need to do in the chroot. | 18:00 |
| ryuo | running apt or w/e | 18:00 |
| ryuo | chroot /mnt update-grub | 18:00 |
| apawl | Ok so for dir in devtmpfs sysfc proc devpts and boot, I want to run `mount -t $dir none mnt/$dir`, then chroot /mnt update-grub? | 18:02 |
| ryuo | no... | 18:02 |
| ryuo | not all of the special FS names are the same as the directory where they go. | 18:02 |
| ryuo | devtmpfs -> /dev | 18:02 |
| ryuo | sysfs -> /sys | 18:02 |
| ryuo | proc -> /proc | 18:02 |
| ryuo | devpts -> /dev/pts | 18:03 |
| ryuo | as for boot it's dependent on your local setup | 18:04 |
| ryuo | /dev/sda1 pr we | 18:04 |
| ryuo | or w/e | 18:04 |
| apawl | I've got boot mounted at /mnt/boot (it is /dev/sda1 though). Is there a mount -t for that? | 18:06 |
| ryuo | no, -t is mainly used when the filesystem cannot be inferred. | 18:07 |
| ryuo | for physical devices the filesystem can usually be detected automatically | 18:08 |
| apawl | I think I'm having trouble connecting the last dot.. Here's what I'm preparing to run: | 18:09 |
| apawl | mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sysmount -t devtmpfs none /mnt/devmount -t proc none /mnt/procmount -t devpts none /mnt/dev/pts# mount boot somehow?chroot /mnt update-grub | 18:09 |
| ioria | croraf, how are you doing ? | 18:09 |
| ryuo | apawl: so what's the issue? | 18:09 |
| apawl | That # mount boot somehow? is what I'm not understanding yet | 18:09 |
| ryuo | apawl: if it's already mounted at /mnt/boot then you've already done it. | 18:09 |
| ryuo | once done you should do umount -R /mnt | 18:10 |
| apawl | Ah, so once I mount those special dirs above, chroot will use them? | 18:10 |
| ryuo | yes... it runs a command under a different root. | 18:10 |
| apawl | Ok, got it. That's clever. Running now.. | 18:11 |
| ryuo | so /mnt becomes / for the purposes of running update-grub | 18:11 |
| apawl | Ok, it seemed to run. (btw one output line was "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration") | 18:12 |
| ryuo | ... uh | 18:13 |
| ryuo | it sounds like you booted under EFI then | 18:13 |
| ryuo | that's only something efi grub does. | 18:13 |
| apawl | I'm a little out of my depth there. I installed with the standard installer, on the same machine I've booted from the live usb with now. Normally grub just takes the wheel and I get to my booted OS. | 18:15 |
| apawl | I didn't see anything related to EFI in /mnt/boot | 18:16 |
| ryuo | one way to find out... check if efifb is in your dmesg. | 18:17 |
| ryuo | dmesg | grep efifb | 18:17 |
| apawl | Yup, I see some entries there | 18:18 |
| ryuo | ok... | 18:18 |
| apawl | e.g. `[ 7.532227] efifb: mode is 800x600x32, linelength=3200, pages=1` | 18:18 |
| ryuo | it could be you originally installed under legacy... | 18:19 |
| ryuo | ugh. | 18:19 |
| ryuo | i'd have to see your partition table. | 18:19 |
| apawl | I'm 99% sure I installed with the same USB I'm live booting from now, if that's an indication of which was used? | 18:19 |
| ryuo | no it isn't; they support both. | 18:19 |
| apawl | Ok. | 18:19 |
| ryuo | which gets used is dependent on the machine. | 18:19 |
| ryuo | anyway | 18:20 |
| ryuo | can you give us the output of fdisk -l on your disk? | 18:20 |
| ryuo | to a paste | 18:21 |
| ryuo | !past | 18:21 |
| ryuo | !paste | 18:21 |
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| apawl | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8vG766KxPY/ | 18:21 |
| ryuo | that's definitely legacy setup... | 18:22 |
| ryuo | ok... | 18:22 |
| ryuo | let's just hope it works OK then. | 18:22 |
| ryuo | apawl: unmount it all and try rebooting then. | 18:22 |
| ryuo | update-grub is mostly for writing the configuration it reads. | 18:22 |
| ryuo | this might be an issue if you were having to reinstall grub. | 18:22 |
| apawl | Ok, giving it a shot.. | 18:23 |
| pgpfox | Hi guys.. ive fucked my computer up :( dont know how. I rebooted my computer and got booted in to initramfs (busybox) | 18:24 |
| pgpfox | searched the internet for solutions.. told me to type exit and fsck /dev/sdb3 | 18:25 |
| jeremy31 | apawl: did boot work until you deleted/changed partitions? | 18:25 |
| pgpfox | but i couldnt type anything at all. | 18:25 |
| ryuo | jeremy31: they mentioned IPMI; i suspect it stopped booting correctly so they felt the need to modify grub for troubleshooting. | 18:26 |
| pgpfox | I booted to recoverymode and tried chroot and alot of other things.. gave up, tried to reinstall and now i get stuck and cant install the OS because of initramfs | 18:26 |
| ryuo | IPMI is mostly used for servers. | 18:26 |
| apawl | Exactly. This is all just trying to get to the debug step for this "Invalid IPMI type" error I get on boot. jeremy31 ryuo | 18:26 |
| ryuo | sometimes errors are harmless. | 18:27 |
| ryuo | was it still booting? | 18:27 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: so you can still boot from external media? | 18:28 |
| apawl | It wasn't giving any output besides that, and if it was booting, it was so slow that it was hard to tell if it was frozen. (e.g. 15 minutes) | 18:28 |
| ryuo | so how are you examining it? IPMI serial port? | 18:28 |
| jeremy31 | Sometimes changes to grub using the grub screen at boot, press e to edit grub command line | 18:28 |
| pgpfox | ryuo Im novice at linux but i guess you mean if i can boot from USB live stick? Yes i can, but when i try to install it gets stuck | 18:29 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: define stuck. | 18:29 |
| apawl | Honestly, I didn't know where to start re: examining it. I figured verbose logging on what's happening during boot would be a start. | 18:29 |
| ryuo | apawl: at the minimum removing quiet is a good first step. the rest is largely tied to systemd flags. | 18:30 |
| ryuo | assuming you have access to the boot output via serial port or so. | 18:30 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: how does it get stuck? you're not being specific enough. | 18:31 |
| pgpfox | im coming back with output soon | 18:32 |
| pgpfox | Maby its working now with the install | 18:32 |
| pgpfox | not sure | 18:32 |
| pgpfox | brb | 18:32 |
| ryuo | well, if it locks up, that's one thing. | 18:33 |
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| ryuo | as in the system no longer responds to input devices. | 18:33 |
| ryuo | if that's the issue then you have some kind of hardware issue. | 18:33 |
| ryuo | most likely | 18:33 |
| ryuo | in some cases it's actually a kernel issue. | 18:33 |
| pgpfox | before i got this output "Could not install (Installing Pop_OS 19.04 failed, possibly due to a hardware error" | 18:34 |
| ryuo | hm. | 18:34 |
| ryuo | i'd want to inspect the internal storage. | 18:34 |
| pgpfox | "rsync: write failed on "/recovery/casper-48FD-647C/initrd.gz" | 18:35 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: can you paste dmesg? | 18:35 |
| ryuo | !paste | pgpfox | 18:35 |
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| apawl | Ok, so it's still frozen, but I don't see the IPMI error. (This is just standard out from my video card, btw). Last line is "Block layer SCSI generic (bsg) drive version 0.4 loaded," which seems nominal. But I'm also wondering if the output isn't scrolling. As in there are more messages, but they're being displayed "past" the screen I see now.. | 18:35 |
| apawl | But it did find grub and grub did kick off the boot, so hopefully EFI concerns are gone | 18:36 |
| ryuo | apawl: if boot was successful you should be able to reach it over the network. | 18:36 |
| ryuo | one possibility is the interface you're using (video/serial) doesn't have a console provided to it by the installation. | 18:36 |
| ryuo | but that's hard to know for sure. | 18:36 |
| apawl | ping: sendto: Host is down | 18:37 |
| ryuo | ok... | 18:37 |
| pgpfox | seems i was able to install the OS now.. | 18:37 |
| ryuo | can you physically access it? | 18:37 |
| apawl | Yeah let me try the output on the motherboard. | 18:37 |
| pgpfox | how can i check that everything in my system is in order? | 18:37 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: hardware wise? | 18:38 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: diagnostics, more or less. | 18:38 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: software wise is a different story. | 18:38 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: honestly if you get IO errors, it's a red flag. you should inspect your storage devices at the minimum. | 18:39 |
| ryuo | that means checking dmesg for clues as well as SMART. | 18:39 |
| ryuo | apawl: oh, good. you should prefer physical access if it's an option. remote diagnostics are a real hasle. | 18:40 |
| pgpfox | nope, i cant boot. I got to the point were i inserted my encryption password and it said it was fine , and then nothing happend. got stuck there, so i did a cold reboot. Now i only get a black screen | 18:41 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: but you can boot from USB? | 18:41 |
| ryuo | i would suggest running smartctl on your drives to see if there's something up with your devices. | 18:42 |
| ryuo | it could mean they're on the brink of death. | 18:42 |
| croraf | From the login I managed to enter the console with CTRL+ALT+F3 and login through there | 18:43 |
| croraf | ryuo, to uninstall nvidia and switch back to nouveau | 18:44 |
| ioria | croraf, what you did in meanwhile ? the last thing i said was to purge nvidia | 18:44 |
| ryuo | oh goodie. i think ioria is back. | 18:44 |
| croraf | i didnt do anything | 18:44 |
| croraf | didnt know how | ioria | 18:44 |
| croraf | yes, thank god he back | 18:44 |
| ioria | croraf, are you in console at the moment ? | 18:44 |
| croraf | i tried enter with nomodeset | 18:45 |
| croraf | but it stayed at login | 18:45 |
| croraf | once it even entered the desktop screen, but frozen | 18:45 |
| ioria | croraf, can you open a console ? | 18:45 |
| croraf | im in the console now | 18:45 |
| croraf | but it kinda crashed | 18:45 |
| croraf | i didnt use nomodeset now | 18:45 |
| pgpfox | well that blackscreen eventually got me to the encryptionspassword again so ive inserted it and "Cryptsetup: cryptdata: set up successfully" and now im stuck here. | 18:46 |
| ioria | croraf, the console is crashing ? | 18:46 |
| croraf | i dont see a thing, although i managed to list files | 18:46 |
| pgpfox | everything was fine untill today. | 18:46 |
| croraf | im at the console | 18:46 |
| ioria | croraf, the console is crashing ? | 18:46 |
| croraf | but the screen is turning blank after some time of inactivity | 18:46 |
| ioria | croraf, the console is crashing ? | 18:46 |
| croraf | im at the console now | 18:46 |
| ioria | croraf, the console is crashing ? | 18:46 |
| croraf | not the console, the screen | 18:46 |
| croraf | am now at CTRL+ALT+F3 screen after login screen. | 18:47 |
| ioria | croraf, stay in t console then: cat /proc/cmdline | 18:47 |
| croraf | ro quiet splash pci=nommconf vt.handoff=? | 18:47 |
| croraf | ioria | 18:47 |
| ioria | croraf, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 | 18:48 |
| pgpfox | now i got a screenmessage "You are in emergency mode. After loggin in, type "journalctl -x" to view system logs. etc etc | 18:48 |
| croraf | termbin.com/28o8 ioria | 18:49 |
| ioria | croraf, sudo apt purge nvidia-driver-435 | 18:49 |
| ioria | croraf, after that, run sudo apt autoremove --purge | 18:50 |
| croraf | did, also check this maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/624966/cant-login-after-nvidia-driver-install-v-14-04 ioria | 18:51 |
| ioria | croraf, maybe a bit outdated | 18:52 |
| croraf | sure, it suggests even to enter console with CTRL+ALT+F1 | 18:52 |
| croraf | ok, i repeated grep nvidia and it shows nothing | ioria | 18:53 |
| croraf | should i try to reboot now? | 18:53 |
| ioria | croraf, reboot yes, but if you got a blank screen use 'nomodeset' | 18:53 |
| apawl | So this was an interesting turn of events.. I unplugged my video card (so that I would get stdout from the on-board VGA).. Everything booted fine. | 18:54 |
| apawl | Grub was verbose, but just kept going | 18:54 |
| pgpfox | ryuo how do i solve this | 18:55 |
| croraf | ioria, without nomodeset screen crashed, now i booted with nomodeset | 18:58 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: did you try booting an older kernel? | 18:58 |
| ioria | croraf, ok, ls /etc/modprobe.d | nc termbin.com 9999 | 18:58 |
| croraf | should i add sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa | 18:58 |
| croraf | sudo apt-get update ? | 18:58 |
| pgpfox | ryuo no i have not tried that | 18:58 |
| ioria | croraf, ls /etc/modprobe.d | nc termbin.com 9999 | 18:59 |
| croraf | termbin.com/3gln | 18:59 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: well, boot failure after a kernel upgrade is something that happens. you should see if you can choose another kernel from grub. | 18:59 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: though honestly you give us little to go on. | 18:59 |
| ioria | croraf, yes, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update | 19:00 |
| croraf | ioria, can i install hexchat now there, would be easier and faster? | 19:00 |
| ioria | croraf, sure you can | 19:00 |
| pgpfox | ryuo all i get is a blackscreen with a blinking cursor | 19:01 |
| ioria | croraf, after the update, paste ubuntu-drivers list | 19:01 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: sometimes it just needs more time to do stuff. | 19:01 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: does it still do that after waiting 5 minutes? | 19:02 |
| pgpfox | yeah got me to the encryption password now | 19:02 |
| pgpfox | lets see if it boots .. | 19:02 |
| pgpfox | dont think so | 19:02 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: if the boot is just slow, that's just something that happens sometimes. | 19:02 |
| ryuo | though it could suggest a hardware issue. | 19:02 |
| ioria | croraf_, after the update, paste ubuntu-drivers list | 19:03 |
| pgpfox | ryuo can we do this in Private message? and then post the solution in here if we find one.. ? | 19:04 |
| croraf_ | nvidia-driver-430 | 19:04 |
| croraf_ | nvidia-driver-435 | 19:04 |
| croraf_ | nvidia-driver-440 | 19:04 |
| croraf_ | backport-iwlwifi-dkms | 19:04 |
| ioria | not here | 19:04 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: they advise against that here. | 19:04 |
| croraf_ | ioria there was no 440 before i think | 19:04 |
| ryuo | !pm | 19:04 |
| ubottu | Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. | 19:04 |
| ioria | croraf_, i know, please don't poaste multiline here or you'll be muted | 19:05 |
| pgpfox | what is "multiline" ? | 19:05 |
| ryuo | this | 19:05 |
| ryuo | is | 19:05 |
| ryuo | multiline | 19:05 |
| pgpfox | aha ok | 19:05 |
| ioria | croraf_, sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440 | 19:05 |
| pgpfox | Ryuo im stuck at this encryption password accepted shit again.. | 19:05 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: did you try waiting after it accepted the password? | 19:06 |
| pgpfox | yeah thats what i did before and eventually i get in to emergency mode | 19:06 |
| ryuo | well, without anything from dmesg or so i can't really advise anything. | 19:07 |
| pgpfox | i will soon get directed there again, i think. | 19:07 |
| pgpfox | yep | 19:07 |
| pgpfox | back in emergency mode | 19:07 |
| ryuo | is pastebinit available in that mode? | 19:08 |
| ryuo | hm. | 19:08 |
| pgpfox | dont know what pastbinit is | 19:08 |
| ioria | croraf_, installed ? | 19:08 |
| ryuo | !paste | pgpfox | 19:08 |
| ubottu | pgpfox: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 19:08 |
| croraf_ | apt install finished | 19:08 |
| ryuo | !pastebinit | pgpfox | 19:08 |
| ubottu | pgpfox: pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit | 19:08 |
| ioria | croraf_, any errors ? | 19:09 |
| croraf_ | ioria, no | 19:09 |
| pgpfox | aha,, dont think so.. im not in GUI | 19:09 |
| croraf_ | hm yess | 19:09 |
| ioria | croraf_, ok, reboot :þ | 19:09 |
| croraf_ | wait a sec | 19:09 |
| ioria | yes, what ? | 19:09 |
| croraf_ | log runned very fast | 19:09 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: ok... try running dmesg. | 19:09 |
| ioria | yeah | 19:09 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: anything at the end of it | 19:09 |
| ryuo | maybe something about errors | 19:09 |
| croraf_ | no errors at the end but before there were couple of modinfo: ERROR: missing module or filename | 19:09 |
| ioria | croraf_, do you have secure boot enabled ? | 19:10 |
| pgpfox | I cant run any commands.. | 19:10 |
| ioria | croraf_, mokutil --sb-state | 19:10 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: you should be able to do so from emergency mode | 19:10 |
| croraf_ | not sure about secure boot. errors were at nvidia.ko nvidia-modeset.ko nvidia-drm.ko | 19:11 |
| ioria | croraf_, mokutil --sb-state | 19:11 |
| croraf_ | disabled, platofm is in setup mode | 19:11 |
| croraf_ | SecureBoot disabled | 19:11 |
| ioria | croraf_, sorry, we need to see those errors; please past them | 19:11 |
| ioria | croraf_, select, copy and paste on paste.ubuntu.com | 19:12 |
| pgpfox | all i get is a black screen with text "You are in emergency mode. After loggin in, type "journalctl -x" to ciew system logs, "systemctö reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot info default mode. Press Enter for maintenance (or press Control-D to continue): | 19:12 |
| croraf_ | https://textbin.net/x9WIMZJqCc | 19:12 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: so enter maintenance. | 19:12 |
| pgpfox | when i press enter it doesnt do shit.. | 19:13 |
| pgpfox | only moves down a line | 19:13 |
| croraf_ | the dots at the end and beggining were added by me | ioria | 19:13 |
| ioria | croraf_, let's try a reboot ... | 19:13 |
| croraf_ | without nomodeset? | 19:13 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: so try booting from usb. | 19:14 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: maybe can find something there. | 19:14 |
| ioria | croraf_, yes | 19:14 |
| pgpfox | ok illl try that | 19:14 |
| croraf | it enterend desktop but input devices not working :( | 19:14 |
| pgpfox | now i got info in the emergency screen | 19:15 |
| croraf | the same was with 435 i think, the one time it didnt stuck on login screen | ioria | 19:15 |
| ioria | croraf, not a win, but better | 19:15 |
| ioria | croraf, the keyboard works ? | 19:15 |
| croraf | i managed to get this with 435, with nomodeset i think, but couldnt reproduce | 19:15 |
| croraf | no it does not | ioria | 19:15 |
| ioria | croraf, ctrl+alt+f3 | 19:16 |
| croraf | Now Authentication required screen popped saying auth is required to refresh the system repositories | 19:16 |
| pgpfox | INFO: task grub-editenv: 940 blocked for more than 846.909 INFO: task grub editenv: 940 blocked for more than 120 seconds. | 19:16 |
| croraf | cannot input anything ioria | 19:16 |
| pgpfox | now im root@pop-os | 19:16 |
| ioria | yep | 19:16 |
| OerHeks | all guides for rtx2080 say: turn off secureboot | 19:16 |
| ioria | OerHeks, already is | 19:16 |
| pgpfox | but i cant type | 19:16 |
| croraf | I can check again in the boot screen | 19:16 |
| OerHeks | pgpfox, pop os .. has its own issues | 19:17 |
| croraf | hahahah is pgpfox having the same issue i do :D | 19:17 |
| ioria | croraf, reboot with nomodeset | 19:17 |
| croraf | ioria, ok, just the same was with 435. couldnt boot with nomdeset then | 19:17 |
| pgpfox | we have same problems? | 19:17 |
| croraf | i also have 2080RTX | 19:17 |
| OerHeks | pgpfox, no, he is on ubuntu, not pop-os | 19:18 |
| croraf | ioria im stuck at login screen now | 19:18 |
| ryuo | sounds like pop-os is where he needs to go then. | 19:18 |
| ioria | croraf, are you using nomodeset ? | 19:18 |
| ryuo | this is for official ubuntu stuff. | 19:18 |
| OerHeks | ryuo, he has been told many times | 19:18 |
| OerHeks | grinn | 19:18 |
| pgpfox | yeah ive tried getting help at pop os community | 19:18 |
| ryuo | well first i'm aware of it. | 19:18 |
| pgpfox | noone answers | 19:18 |
| croraf | ioria, yes i inputed password, and now inputs not working again | 19:18 |
| croraf | but didnt pass login screen | 19:18 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: was this a system76 machine? | 19:19 |
| croraf | am stuck at login screen without input devices ioria | 19:19 |
| pgpfox | no | 19:19 |
| ryuo | I see. | 19:19 |
| ioria | croraf, don't enter password, just open a console the next time you reboot | 19:19 |
| croraf | let me try once more without nomodeset | 19:19 |
| croraf | the same, login screen now | 19:19 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: so it was working and stopped working after what? a system update? | 19:20 |
| croraf | am in console now ioria | 19:20 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: it sounds like the system is unable to boot your encrypted install, for whatever reason. | 19:20 |
| ioria | croraf, keyboard is working , right ? | 19:20 |
| pgpfox | yeah ive been using it for weeks without any problems, untill today.. did update some packages in Pop-shop.. rebooted and then it was goodbye sanity | 19:21 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: but i can't really help you with what little information you have provided... | 19:21 |
| croraf | there is some scren trouble but it is working now | 19:22 |
| ioria | croraf, paste lsmod | nc termbin.com 9999 | 19:22 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: if i was at a loss i'd try checking the drive SMART output... and/or ram tests. | 19:22 |
| ryuo | hardware flaws can create a lot of weird issues. | 19:22 |
| ryuo | and can emerge at any time. | 19:22 |
| pgpfox | What is the "drive SMART output" ? | 19:22 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. | 19:23 |
| croraf | termbin.com/0o1v | 19:23 |
| croraf | ioria, I kinda see through the terminal into desktop | 19:23 |
| ioria | croraf, what ? | 19:24 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: from live cd you could check it via smartctl after installing smartmontools | 19:24 |
| croraf | the terminal screen and desktop screen are kinda merging, the terminal is kinda semitransparent | 19:24 |
| ioria | croraf, are you in console or in desktop ? | 19:25 |
| croraf | I can in the console | 19:25 |
| OerHeks | sounds like a backlight issue, but weird | 19:25 |
| croraf | but it is not rendering perfectily | 19:25 |
| croraf | for example now my desktop went into screensaver kind of mode, and it turned black, covering my terminal | 19:25 |
| croraf | i had to type again, to see the terminal, and previous parts are covered in black | 19:26 |
| croraf | and i still see the mouse icon which is immovable | 19:26 |
| pgpfox | ok so now im in live mode | 19:26 |
| ioria | croraf, you see the mouse icon ? | 19:26 |
| pgpfox | walk me through this | 19:26 |
| croraf | the desktop and terminal are kinda mergin ioria, | 19:26 |
| croraf | i see the mouse | 19:26 |
| ioria | croraf, that' weird | 19:26 |
| croraf | yes, indeed | 19:27 |
| ioria | croraf, sudo systemctl restart gdm3 | 19:27 |
| croraf | but i'm in the terminal, these are just like relicts of the desktop, not important i think ioria | 19:27 |
| croraf | when i did that, the desktop did show | 19:27 |
| croraf | i entered desktop now | 19:28 |
| croraf | after that command | 19:28 |
| croraf | ioria, | 19:28 |
| ioria | croraf, the inputs ? | 19:28 |
| croraf | work | 19:28 |
| ioria | croraf, weird | 19:28 |
| croraf | even the keyboard backlight works | 19:28 |
| pgpfox | ok have installed smartmontools now | 19:28 |
| ioria | croraf, lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999 | 19:29 |
| croraf_ | ioria, https://termbin.com/eu7w | 19:30 |
| ioria | croraf, dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 | 19:31 |
| ioria | croraf_, dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 | 19:33 |
| croraf | 5 min please ioria , brb | 19:34 |
| ioria | ok | 19:34 |
| pgpfox | ryuo https://pastebin.com/hBzfARYD | 19:35 |
| pedrocr | how can I make the computer suspend instead of shutting off when in low power? I'm using a custom sway setup so it has to be some kind of system setting and not a GNOME or other GUI | 19:35 |
| pgpfox | this is from dmesg | 19:35 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: no red flags there. smart? | 19:37 |
| ryuo | pedrocr: perhaps something with ACPI? | 19:38 |
| pgpfox | ryuo what command should i type to get the output you want from smartmontools | 19:39 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: did you install the package already? | 19:39 |
| OerHeks | pedrocr, suspend takes power too, so that would conflict with low power settings | 19:40 |
| pgpfox | yeah | 19:40 |
| OerHeks | pedrocr, for a gui, laptopmodetools | 19:40 |
| croraf_ | ioria, https://termbin.com/pq7d | 19:40 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: seems there's 3 devices. is sdc the usb device? | 19:40 |
| pgpfox | i think so | 19:41 |
| pgpfox | sdb3 i think is my linux drive | 19:41 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: first: smartctl -a /dev/sda | 19:41 |
| croraf_ | ioria, on additional drivers 440 is selected as used | 19:41 |
| ioria | croraf_, it's ok | 19:42 |
| ryuo | heh. 440... the magic number for MBR. | 19:42 |
| croraf_ | ryuo, whats MBR? | 19:43 |
| croraf_ | ioria, should we try another reboot? | 19:43 |
| ryuo | croraf_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record | 19:43 |
| croraf_ | ryuo, oh, ok | 19:43 |
| ioria | croraf_, wait, i'am reading your dmesg | 19:43 |
| pgpfox | ryuo https://pastebin.com/hBzfARYD | 19:45 |
| ioria | croraf_, i have never seen so many acpi errors/warnings .... | 19:45 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: that's what you already gave me. | 19:45 |
| croraf_ | ioria, :(((( | 19:45 |
| pgpfox | oh,, doh.. | 19:46 |
| croraf_ | perhaps trying 20.04 daily build? | 19:46 |
| croraf_ | or 19.10 daily build? | 19:46 |
| pgpfox | https://pastebin.com/i4f8NCGq | 19:46 |
| ioria | croraf_, nope; journalctl -b 0 | nc termbin.com 9999 | 19:47 |
| croraf_ | https://termbin.com/g2ib ioria | 19:47 |
| OerHeks | strange, you have old microcode,2019-08-14 .. new is 2018-05-08 | 19:48 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: SSD, eh? No obvious red flags. Try the next one. | 19:48 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: smartctl -a /dev/sdb | 19:48 |
| ioria | croraf_, it will take a while, be patient | 19:49 |
| croraf_ | np | 19:49 |
| croraf_ | im installing steam ioria | 19:49 |
| croraf_ | then dota, then i go gank some :D | 19:50 |
| pgpfox | ryuo https://pastebin.com/d8AbXxFm | 19:50 |
| ryuo | ... Holy **** | 19:51 |
| ryuo | All these errors. | 19:51 |
| ryuo | This drive should probably be replaced. | 19:51 |
| ryuo | 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 086 086 006 Pre-fail Always - 89490400 | 19:52 |
| ryuo | 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 078 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 60173147 | 19:52 |
| ryuo | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 096 096 010 Pre-fail Always - 5488 | 19:52 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: we may have found your problem. | 19:52 |
| croraf_ | ryuo, what do you say who has worse situation me or poor pgpfox :D | 19:52 |
| pgpfox | Care to explain what all this shit means ?:S | 19:52 |
| ryuo | croraf_: you? this we at least have an answer for now. | 19:53 |
| OerHeks | reallocated.. ai | 19:53 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: basically, the drive is in a failure state. it's only a matter of time before it's totally dead. | 19:53 |
| OerHeks | and with encryption, you are toast | 19:53 |
| pgpfox | holy shit.. how did this happend | 19:53 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: was there anything important on the drive? | 19:54 |
| pgpfox | no not really | 19:54 |
| pgpfox | got all important stuff on backup | 19:54 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: ok, then consider yourself fortunate. | 19:54 |
| ryuo | drives randomly fail as they age. it's a good reason to not buy refurbished storage. | 19:54 |
| ryuo | they're even more likely to fail. | 19:54 |
| ryuo | what kind of machine is this? | 19:55 |
| ryuo | Desktop? | 19:55 |
| ryuo | Laptop? | 19:55 |
| pgpfox | yeah its a desktop | 19:55 |
| ryuo | Do you feel comfortable replacing a hard drive? | 19:55 |
| pgpfox | intel i7, nvidia 1080, 16 gb ram etc etc | 19:56 |
| ryuo | Oh, and it's a seagate. Why am I not surprised? | 19:56 |
| pgpfox | cant be that difficult i guess? | 19:56 |
| ryuo | It's probably a 3.5" drive. You have some options... | 19:56 |
| ryuo | If you don't need the whole capacity, you can reinstall to the SSD and use it for everything. | 19:57 |
| ryuo | Otherwise you'll need to replace that failing drive. | 19:57 |
| ryuo | SSDs have fallen a lot in cost.... | 19:57 |
| ryuo | 1TB drives are around $100 USD or less. | 19:57 |
| pgpfox | do i have 2 drives in my computer? haha | 19:58 |
| ryuo | yes you do. | 19:58 |
| ryuo | assuming you don't have | 19:58 |
| ryuo | any external ones? | 19:58 |
| ryuo | other than the usb here. | 19:58 |
| pgpfox | yeah one 500 gb WD | 19:58 |
| grawity | what version of samba is currently available on Ubuntu? (that is in latest and latest LTS) | 19:58 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: well the system only detects a 120G SSD and this 1TB HDD. | 19:58 |
| ryuo | i'm assuming the SSD is internal. | 19:59 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: at the very least you should probably remove the old HDD and dispose of it. | 19:59 |
| pgpfox | okey so i can try reinstall the OS on the 120GB SSD | 19:59 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: as for whether you need to replace it, that's up to you. you could get by with the SSD alone if you don't need the capacity. | 19:59 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: 120G is more than enough for basic use. | 20:00 |
| pgpfox | i can install it on the SSD and then go buy a new HDD for storage later on? | 20:00 |
| ioria | croraf_, steam works ? | 20:00 |
| ryuo | Yes, you could. | 20:00 |
| ryuo | but your home directory wouldn't be on it. | 20:00 |
| croraf_ | yes, its installing dota2 pc game | 20:00 |
| ryuo | up to you what you wish to do. | 20:00 |
| pgpfox | Why is that? | 20:00 |
| ioria | croraf_, good | 20:01 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: it has to be configured to store your files on the other drive. | 20:01 |
| croraf_ | visual studio code also works, for programming | 20:01 |
| ryuo | that won't happen automatically. | 20:01 |
| pgpfox | ahaa | 20:01 |
| pgpfox | i think i get it. | 20:01 |
| ioria | croraf_, when you're done, we'll try another reboot | 20:01 |
| croraf_ | i can pause steam download | 20:01 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: your options? a new HDD, comparable to this one. i personally prefer WD black drives for HDD. | 20:01 |
| croraf_ | a simple reboot? | 20:01 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: 5 year warranty and pretty reliable. | 20:02 |
| ioria | croraf_, don't worry, dod what have to do | 20:02 |
| pgpfox | should i purchase SSD? | 20:02 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: otherwise you could try a faster SSD option. WD Blue SSD iirc has 5 years as well. | 20:02 |
| croraf_ | im fine, i proceed when you say as you say | 20:02 |
| croraf_ | ioria, | 20:02 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: they're more economical than they used to be. You can fine 1TBs for around 100 USD. | 20:02 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: but you get far more capacity per dollar with a HDD. | 20:03 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: and the SSD will need to be in 2.5" form factor and require an adapter plate to install in a 3.5" bay. | 20:03 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: they don't make 3.5" SSDs. | 20:03 |
| ioria | croraf_, i mean, where you have finished installing stuff, you can try another reboot | 20:04 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: if you're uncomfortable with all this stuff, i'd suggest just getting the direct replacement. | 20:04 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: which is a 3.5" HDD. | 20:04 |
| croraf_ | ioria, you know what is funny, when i go to restart it says other users are logged in "croraf" | 20:04 |
| pgpfox | nah its better i learn | 20:04 |
| ioria | croraf_, it's the console ctrl+alt+f3 | 20:05 |
| ioria | croraf_, type exit there | 20:05 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: ok. i don't know if you can find the adapter locally. you may have to order online. but it's a 2.5" drive to 3.5" adapter. they come in various options. | 20:05 |
| ryuo | pgpfox: good luck. feel free to ask if anything is unclear. | 20:05 |
| ioria | croraf_, and switch back to gui ctrl+alt+f2 | 20:05 |
| croraf_ | ioria, ok yes, i found out | 20:05 |
| croraf_ | these are the workspaces | 20:06 |
| croraf_ | or how are they called | 20:06 |
| pgpfox | Thank you for your help and your time. | 20:06 |
| Apachez | anyone else who noticed that red color seems to get more saturated when you login with wayland in ubuntu 19.10 compared to x11? Even if the same monitor profile is being used according to settings and the monitor settings themselfs isnt changed? | 20:06 |
| ioria | croraf_, they are tty | 20:06 |
| croraf | i rebooted, now its the locked desktop situation again ioria | 20:07 |
| ioria | croraf, ctrl+alt+f3 | 20:07 |
| croraf | cannot, i think i have to wait | 20:07 |
| croraf | ill have to reboot again | 20:08 |
| LLIypuk | evening, i've got some =weird= question regarding ubuntu 19.10. Where do i find those nvidia driver bundled with/inside iso image? | 20:09 |
| ioria | croraf, ok, don't enter pasword, just ctrl+alt+f3 | 20:09 |
| croraf | i didnt, it immediately entered the desktop | 20:09 |
| croraf | now it entered the password screen | 20:09 |
| croraf | but im locked | 20:09 |
| croraf | i mean inputs not working | 20:09 |
| ioria | croraf, yes, i got it | 20:10 |
| croraf | should i repeat or should i try nomodeset | 20:11 |
| ioria | croraf, from grub remove pci=nommconf | 20:11 |
| croraf | ACPI errors, a lot ioria | 20:15 |
| EriC^^ | LLIypuk: possibly in /pool | 20:15 |
| ioria | croraf, don't you get the login screen neither ? | 20:15 |
| LLIypuk | EriC^^, xubuntu@xubuntu:~$ find /cdrom/pool/ -iname *nv* | 20:16 |
| LLIypuk | no output | 20:16 |
| croraf | ioria, no, just the ubuntu install colors, and when i press something (i pressed ctrl+alt+f3) it shows console with running ACPI errors | 20:17 |
| ioria | croraf, reboot | 20:17 |
| croraf | did, lockec on desktop now | 20:17 |
| croraf | locked* with pci=nommconf | 20:18 |
| ioria | croraf, you mean, you enter the desktop without a password ? | 20:18 |
| croraf | xrd | 20:18 |
| croraf | ye | 20:18 |
| LLIypuk | EriC^^, mind if i ask you to show me you output of that command? (if you are on *buntu) | 20:18 |
| EriC^^ | LLIypuk: find needs '' for iname btw, or else bash expands it first | 20:18 |
| ioria | croraf, is that a 'yes' ? | 20:18 |
| croraf | now it turned semiblack and it shows Authentication reqired "to refresh the system repositories | 20:18 |
| croraf | yes | 20:19 |
| croraf | so the desktop is shown locked, than after 10 sec that screen is shown | 20:19 |
| LLIypuk | EriC^^, same with quoting | 20:19 |
| ioria | croraf, so, you are in desktop , without issued a password, and the keyboard and mouse are dead ? | 20:20 |
| croraf | yes | 20:20 |
| ioria | good | 20:21 |
| croraf | but the desktop now turned transparent black with Authentication required screen | 20:21 |
| ioria | croraf, boot with nomodeset | 20:23 |
| EriC^^ | LLIypuk: 1 sec ill see my io | 20:23 |
| EriC^^ | iso | 20:23 |
| LLIypuk | sure | 20:24 |
| croraf | ioria, just to show what i mean https://pasteboard.co/IH08Qm4.jpg | 20:24 |
| croraf | you can see the mouse in the right bottom | 20:24 |
| croraf | and the black is kinda a bit transparend | 20:24 |
| LLIypuk | EriC^^, don't bother | 20:25 |
| ioria | croraf, honestly, never seen | 20:25 |
| croraf | ioria, still locked | 20:25 |
| croraf | event with nomodeset | 20:25 |
| LLIypuk | i was able to <grep nv> from pub/ubuntu-releases/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.list file | 20:26 |
| croraf | im in desktop but locked | 20:26 |
| ioria | croraf, boot in recovery mode; and enable networking | 20:27 |
| LLIypuk | EriC^^, conclusion: no nv* packages bundled with Xubuntu iso, thanks for guidance | 20:27 |
| croraf | ioria it doesnt let me | 20:28 |
| ioria | croraf, what you mean ? | 20:28 |
| croraf | i enter advanced options -> recovery -> in menu i select network | 20:29 |
| croraf | something happens and im still at the menu | 20:29 |
| ioria | yes ... | 20:29 |
| ioria | croraf, select root shell | 20:29 |
| EriC^^ | LLIypuk: ah i see, np | 20:30 |
| croraf | press enter for mainenance of press CTRL-D to continiue | 20:30 |
| croraf | ioria, | 20:30 |
| ioria | croraf, enter | 20:30 |
| croraf | ok i have some terminal | 20:30 |
| ioria | croraf, mount -o remount,rw / | 20:31 |
| croraf | empty return | 20:31 |
| croraf | ioria, | 20:32 |
| ioria | croraf, apt purge nvidia-driver-440 | 20:32 |
| LLIypuk | EriC^^, ubuntu is 2350MB while Xubuntu is 1571M. That's it :) | 20:32 |
| croraf | ioria, hmmm reacehd target Power-off | 20:32 |
| croraf | not sure that succeeded | 20:33 |
| ioria | croraf, do you still have a prompt ? | 20:33 |
| croraf | no | 20:33 |
| croraf | i couldnt type anything | 20:33 |
| croraf | i saw that thing several times | 20:33 |
| croraf | its like a shutdown | 20:33 |
| croraf | like 50 lines ending with Power-off line | 20:34 |
| ioria | croraf, wait a bit | 20:34 |
| croraf | i mean, kinda see that cursor _ blinking but cannot type | 20:34 |
| croraf | it kinda run the apt purge but then entered that shutdown line sequence | 20:35 |
| ioria | croraf, wait | 20:35 |
| ioria | croraf, still running ? | 20:37 |
| croraf | nono, it stopped on Power-off line | 20:37 |
| ioria | croraf, ctrl+c | 20:38 |
| croraf | and then after 10 sec it turned black, with only currsor at the top | 20:38 |
| pedrocr | ryuo: the reaction to low power is already happening, I just want to change the action to suspend instead of power down | 20:38 |
| ryuo | too bad it's not a convenient platform specific bug we can blame like the baytrail issues. | 20:38 |
| croraf | ioria, i rebooted, i entered root@croraf prompt again | 20:39 |
| ryuo | pedrocr: if it just shuts off abruptly, that's not a software response. it's likely due to power loss. | 20:39 |
| pedrocr | OerHeks: suspend is just a way to let me know I really need to plug in, powering down is useless might as well crash | 20:39 |
| ioria | croraf, mount -o remount,rw / | 20:39 |
| croraf | empty return | 20:39 |
| pedrocr | ryuo: no, it's actually going through the shutdown process with the splash screen and everything | 20:39 |
| croraf | ioria, | 20:39 |
| ioria | croraf, apt purge nvidia-driver-440 | 20:39 |
| ryuo | Ok. | 20:39 |
| ryuo | pedrocr: well, maybe you can figure out what's responding to this situation from ACPI and adjust it. | 20:40 |
| croraf | Ok it asks me 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 1 to remove 0 not upgraded | 20:40 |
| croraf | 1.1 kB will be freed ioria | 20:40 |
| croraf | Y/N | 20:40 |
| ioria | croraf, | 20:40 |
| ryuo | pedrocr: could be a desktop power setting or a systemd one. | 20:40 |
| croraf | Use apt autoremove to remove then | 20:40 |
| croraf | a number of nvidia packages were autinstalled and no longer required | 20:41 |
| pedrocr | ryuo: I'm using the default session, run by gdm but launching sway instead of gnome | 20:41 |
| croraf | now it passed ok | 20:41 |
| pedrocr | ryuo: I was hoping to figure out what part of that is doing the shutdown | 20:41 |
| croraf | i mean it said actually Reading database 160... files intalled | 20:41 |
| ioria | croraf, apt autoremoe --purge | 20:41 |
| croraf | removing nvidia-driver | 20:41 |
| croraf | and thats it | 20:41 |
| ryuo | pedrocr: no idea myself. i don't normally mess with that stuff, but i do know systemd has some settings related to power management. | 20:41 |
| croraf | only 1 line happened with prevous command | 20:41 |
| ioria | croraf, apt autoremove --purge | 20:42 |
| pedrocr | ryuo: thanks | 20:42 |
| croraf | ioria, done | 20:42 |
| ryuo | pedrocr: upower specifically? | 20:42 |
| ioria | croraf, reboot | 20:43 |
| ryuo | pedrocr: https://www.lambdacurry.com/2015/10/suspending-low-battery/ | 20:43 |
| croraf | i did sudo reboot and it showed the same sequence as first time with that apt remove | 20:43 |
| croraf | just ending with reboot | 20:43 |
| croraf | now the screen broke | 20:44 |
| croraf | as before without nomodeset | 20:44 |
| ioria | croraf, use nomodeset | 20:44 |
| croraf | booted | 20:45 |
| pedrocr | ryuo: that's almost certainly it, thanks! | 20:45 |
| croraf | ioria, | 20:45 |
| ioria | croraf, log in | 20:46 |
| croraf | i wasnt asked to log in | 20:46 |
| croraf | i see additional drivers Nouveau | 20:46 |
| ioria | croraf, did you set autologin ? | 20:46 |
| croraf | i think so, yes | 20:46 |
| ioria | omg | 20:46 |
| croraf | during install | 20:46 |
| croraf | :D | 20:46 |
| ioria | croraf, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE | 20:47 |
| croraf | x11 | 20:47 |
| ioria | croraf, cat /proc/cmdline | 20:48 |
| ioria | croraf_, cat /proc/cmdline | 20:49 |
| croraf_ | https://textbin.net/P6xBpmBbgI | 20:49 |
| ioria | croraf_, ok, can you please, try to enable password login again ; in Activities type Users , press Unlock and disable autologin | 20:51 |
| croraf_ | done | 20:52 |
| croraf_ | ioria, | 20:52 |
| ioria | croraf_, logout , login | 20:52 |
| croraf | ioria, | 20:53 |
| croraf | something strange happened | 20:53 |
| ioria | croraf, what ? | 20:53 |
| croraf | like it turned black, and then i pressed ctrl-alt-F3 and now am in this tty | 20:54 |
| croraf | cannot return to f2 | 20:54 |
| croraf | i logged in here in f3 | 20:54 |
| ioria | croraf, sudo systemctl restart gdm3 | 20:54 |
| croraf | black screen with cursor _ i can type | 20:55 |
| croraf | I think that was when i logged out ioria | 20:55 |
| croraf | before i pressed ctrl-alt-f3 | 20:55 |
| croraf | i can type, but have no prompt | 20:56 |
| croraf | should i ctrl-c | 20:56 |
| ioria | yes | 20:56 |
| croraf | it cleared screen and now i cannot type | 20:56 |
| croraf | i can enter f3 though | 20:57 |
| ioria | croraf, sudo reboot | 20:57 |
| croraf | should i boot now? | 20:58 |
| croraf | with nomodeset | 20:58 |
| ioria | croraf, yeah | 20:59 |
| croraf | oh, that black screen where i can type anything | 20:59 |
| croraf | as if i logged out | 20:59 |
| croraf | ioria, | 21:00 |
| ioria | croraf, clearly, it's not working | 21:00 |
| croraf | yea | 21:00 |
| croraf | maybe i can use it with nomodeset | 21:00 |
| croraf | it seemed to work somewhat | 21:01 |
| ioria | croraf, and looks anyhow very unstable | 21:01 |
| ioria | croraf, i have to go now, but keep asking here, maybe come back tomorrow. good luck | 21:02 |
| croraf | ok, ty | 21:02 |
| croraf | ty very much | 21:02 |
| croraf | i appreciate | 21:02 |
| croraf | if you wish you can update the bug aslo on launchpad | 21:02 |
| croraf | have a good night ioria | 21:03 |
| adrian15 | Hi. It seems that inxi is a natural replacement for bootinfoscript. I was wondering if any of you used it to ask supported users here to provide you their computer info. How do you usually ask inxi to be called? I want to include it as an additional option to Rescapp/Rescatux. Thank you. | 21:03 |
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| chieta | when I exit a terminal/bash after launching jobs in background, the jobs are not terminated, they take a parent process as their parent... | 21:56 |
| bagira | chieta: expected behaviour | 21:56 |
| callipygous | hey. I have a "Slate" PC | 22:44 |
| callipygous | after a while the touchscreen becomes unresponsive | 22:44 |
| callipygous | to touch... | 22:44 |
| callipygous | ...I think it also happens in other Linux distros and Windows 7 too | 22:44 |
| woenx | Hi. I have a little problem with grub. I had configured it to show a dual boot with Ubuntu and Windows 10. However, today I realized that the boot scree no longer appears, and the computer boots directly into Ubuntu | 22:54 |
| woenx | More specifically, if I press ESC when the grub menu was supposed to appear, it actually appears and lets me select between ubuntu and windows (and works just fine). But if I don't press anything, it's just a purple screen during the duration of the timeout (10 seconds) until the default SO loads (ubuntu) | 22:55 |
| woenx | any idea what could be happening? | 22:55 |
| callipygous | no timeout? | 22:59 |
| callipygous | timeout set to 0? | 22:59 |
| woenx | no, timeout is 10 seconds | 23:00 |
| callipygous | oh | 23:00 |
| woenx | I see 10 seconds of Purple. If I press ESC during these 10 seconds, I can see the grub menu | 23:00 |
| callipygous | some kind of splash option enabled? | 23:00 |
| woenx | that is what I am suspecting. I have a theme installed, but it has been working just fine until now... | 23:00 |
| woenx | (and it displays correctly if I press ESC) | 23:01 |
| woenx | I'm going to try something, brb | 23:02 |
| LunaLovegood | How do I keep my laptop from losing wifi connection whenever I shut the lid? note: I don't have Xorg installed. | 23:10 |
| LunaLovegood | I don't think it goes into sleep mode, it just loses network connectivity. | 23:11 |
| jeremy31 | LunaLovegood: Do you have to reboot or restart Network Manager to get connection back? | 23:14 |
| LunaLovegood | I do "/etc/init.d/network-manager restart" | 23:16 |
| LunaLovegood | I don't want it to come back on its own when I open the lid, I just don't want it to go down at all. | 23:17 |
| LunaLovegood | Idealy my laptop wouldn't do anything (other than turning off the backlight) when I close the lid. | 23:18 |
| LunaLovegood | I don't have anything to play audio so I'm not sure if the sound card goes down too. | 23:18 |
| jeremy31 | LunaLovegood: try> sudo sed -i 's/3/2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/* | 23:20 |
| LunaLovegood | Could purging pm-utils help? | 23:20 |
| jeremy31 | That will keep Network Manager from enabling wifi power management | 23:21 |
| croraf | pci=nommconf | 23:39 |
| croraf | hi. I add this to my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default | 23:40 |
| aleksandrdvorkin | when trying to save files to /var/www/html from LibreOffice i get Permission denied and i already changed the permission for the /var to the user not root | 23:40 |
| croraf | and it is not set in the grub | 23:41 |
| aleksandrdvorkin | when trying to save a file from LibreOffice Writer/Web i get error Could not Read the contents ov var Error opening directory '/var :Permission denied | 23:45 |
| PeGaSuS | sorry for the stupid question: Ubuntu bionic has as latest version Apache/2.4.29, but the latest official release is Apache/2.4.41. is there an easy way to force that version to be installed? thanks in advance | 23:48 |
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