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| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted extrepo [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.2] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notepadqq [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.0.0~beta1-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notepadqq [armhf] (focal-proposed) [2.0.0~beta1-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-portend [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.5-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pyani [arm64] (focal-proposed) [0.2.9-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pyani [i386] (focal-proposed) [0.2.9-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pyani [s390x] (focal-proposed) [0.2.9-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-murmurhash3 [arm64] (focal-proposed) [0.1.6-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-murmurhash3 [i386] (focal-proposed) [0.1.6-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-murmurhash3 [s390x] (focal-proposed) [0.1.6-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kirigami-gallery [sync] (focal-proposed) [19.04.3-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notepadqq [i386] (focal-proposed) [2.0.0~beta1-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pyani [armhf] (focal-proposed) [0.2.9-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-murmurhash3 [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.1.6-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-murmurhash3 [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [0.1.6-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted vtkplotter [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2019.1.2-2] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notepadqq [arm64] (focal-proposed) [2.0.0~beta1-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pyani [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [0.2.9-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted vitrage-dashboard [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.0.0-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pyani [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.2.9-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-murmurhash3 [armhf] (focal-proposed) [0.1.6-1] | 06:28 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: haproxy (bionic-proposed/main) [1.8.8-1ubuntu0.7 => 1.8.8-1ubuntu0.8] (ubuntu-server) | 07:59 | |
| cpaelzer | anyone around to accept https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-focal-spice/+merge/375632 to get this out of proposed migratioN? | 09:39 |
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| Laney | cpaelzer: done, and agreed re: dropping crappy tests | 09:43 |
| cpaelzer | thanks | 09:43 |
| mwhudson | geoalchemy2 has regressed in release: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/geoalchemy2/focal/amd64 | 10:12 |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pycifrw [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.4-2] (no packageset) | 11:11 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pycifrw [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.4-2] (no packageset) | 11:13 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pycifrw [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.4-2] (no packageset) | 11:13 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pycifrw [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.4-2] (no packageset) | 11:13 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pycifrw [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.4-2] (no packageset) | 11:13 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: thawab [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [4.1-2] (no packageset) | 11:13 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pycifrw [armhf] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.4-2] (no packageset) | 11:13 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mmtf-java [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.9-4] (no packageset) | 11:15 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mmtf-java [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.0.9-4] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pycifrw [arm64] (focal-proposed) [4.4-2] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pycifrw [i386] (focal-proposed) [4.4-2] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pycifrw [s390x] (focal-proposed) [4.4-2] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pycifrw [amd64] (focal-proposed) [4.4-2] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pycifrw [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [4.4-2] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pycifrw [armhf] (focal-proposed) [4.4-2] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thawab [amd64] (focal-proposed) [4.1-2] | 11:29 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (bionic-proposed/restricted) [340.107-0ubuntu0.18.04.3 => 340.107-0ubuntu0.18.04.4] (ubuntu-desktop) | 16:09 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-9 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1:9-2~ubuntu18.04.1] | 17:58 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-9 [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [1:9-2~ubuntu18.04.1] | 17:58 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-9 [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [1:9-2~ubuntu18.04.1] | 17:58 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-9 [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [1:9-2~ubuntu18.04.1] | 17:59 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-9 [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [1:9-2~ubuntu18.04.1] | 17:59 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-9 [i386] (bionic-proposed) [1:9-2~ubuntu18.04.1] | 17:59 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libclc (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.2.0+git20190306-1~ubuntu18.04.1 => 0.2.0+git20190827-1~ubuntu18.04.1] (no packageset) | 18:04 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libclc [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.2.0+git20190827-1~ubuntu18.04.1] | 18:17 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (trusty-proposed/main) [19.6~ubuntu14.04.3 => 19.6~ubuntu14.04.4] (no packageset) | 18:30 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (bionic-proposed/main) [19.0.8-0ubuntu0~18.04.3 => 19.2.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] (core, xorg) | 18:32 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 [source] (bionic-proposed) [340.107-0ubuntu0.18.04.4] | 18:37 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ddcci-driver-linux (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.3.1-2 => 0.3.1-2ubuntu0.1] (no packageset) | 18:52 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (bionic-proposed) [19.2.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1] | 19:32 | |
| * infinity raises an eyebrow at texlive-base, tex-common, emacs, and imagemagick (among others) all trying to move to universe... | 19:35 | |
| infinity | Did someone just unseed some stuff they didn't care about? | 19:35 |
| infinity | Not that I'm against emacs being demoted (viva la vim!), but I might be biased. | 19:38 |
| infinity | Ahh, there it is. The latest commit from laney to platform.focal | 19:41 |
| infinity | vorlon: Looks like the desktop team is washing their hands of emacs (and, thus, its dep chain). Do we care enough to pick it up elsewhere, or good riddance? | 19:41 |
| xnox | infinity: given that security team member publishes emacs as a classic snap, i wonder if i should just switch to using that one. | 19:46 |
| xnox | we used to care to build emacs bindings, but thanks to archive reorg we no longer need emacs in main to have a useful emacs-flavour-lisp compiler available as a build-dep. | 19:47 |
| infinity | xnox: I mean, it's not like we've ever had an emacs security update, so I'm not sure demoting to universe changes anything anyway. | 19:47 |
| infinity | The side-effect of dropping texlive-base out of supported is perhaps a bit weirder, but I think that was the desktop team's intent. :) | 19:48 |
| infinity | Laney: You could drop TeX entirely from main if evince didn't depend on it. If maybe that bit could be made an optional plugin or something. | 19:49 |
| infinity | Laney: Not that I'm suggesting you should do that, but yeah, since your emacs change, literally the only thing keeping it in appears to be evince. | 19:49 |
| xnox | imho texlive-base in archive is also simply a -doc packages build-dep. Anyone serious about using texlive installs TeXLive distribution; or any other one. Back in the day, debian/ubuntu-distro packaged texlive distribution was the only conherent thing, but these days upstream TeXLive is fabilous with tested coherent sets of packages. | 19:49 |
| infinity | xnox: I hate that argument every time it's made for Package X. | 19:50 |
| xnox | especially to get all the tikz / luatex / etc | 19:50 |
| xnox | we really don't package enough of texlive =))))) | 19:50 |
| infinity | xnox: If "people serious about X always use upstream's build of X", then we've failed to do it right. | 19:50 |
| xnox | and mix and matching tex used to suck a lot, maybe that got better. | 19:51 |
| infinity | For some things, the answer is "stop doing it entirely" (like, PHP PEAR crap, or literally any webapp, or, or) and sometimes, it's "do it better". | 19:51 |
| xnox | But in practice, people do deploy bundled things using pep, gems, bundler, go vendor, juju charms, etc. | 19:51 |
| mdeslaur | amurray: hey emacs boy, ^ | 19:52 |
| infinity | But yeah, if we don't want to invest Ubuntu time in it, and the Debian stuff is mediocre, that's a solid reason to also avoid supporting it. | 19:52 |
| xnox | we absolutely should/must support the bits of texlive that doxygen et.al.friends need though. | 19:52 |
| xnox | which is a small subset of the whole texlive. | 19:52 |
| infinity | xnox: we don't support doxygen. :P | 19:53 |
| xnox | because being able to compile upstream docs into pdf is a must | 19:53 |
| infinity | xnox: Maybe that should be fixed, which would yank some TeX back in, but right now, it's in universe. | 19:53 |
| xnox | we use it as a build-dep, and put the results into main, i.e. -doc packages | 19:53 |
| infinity | xnox: Yes, I know. I'm saying we don't SUPPORT it. | 19:53 |
| xnox | horum | 19:53 |
| xnox | one can attack using texlive, i.e. make it generate shit that would explode into germs on like windows when pdf is opened. | 19:54 |
| xnox | oh | 19:56 |
| xnox | wait | 19:56 |
| infinity | ... germs? | 19:56 |
| infinity | Did you just go slightly off the rails? | 19:56 |
| xnox | infinity: so many curated deployments, that are firewalled off to access texlive, do deploy tex from distro, because e.g. Ubuntu is locally mirrored. I remember limiting myself to whatever was in Ubuntu, or vendoring packages, because of it. | 19:57 |
| xnox | *that | 19:57 |
| infinity | xnox: Okay... and? | 19:57 |
| xnox | infinity: re:off-the-rails i am jetlagged as timezones go | 19:57 |
| infinity | xnox: No one's removing it from the archive, just from main. | 19:57 |
| xnox | and => i wouldn't want to harakiri it like we are slicing i386. that. | 19:58 |
| infinity | Okay, no one's talking about tearing it out of the archive. :P | 19:58 |
| infinity | I was asking if we cared to keep it in main. | 19:58 |
| infinity | It started as an emacs question. And, looking at history, we don't actually provide security support for emacs anyway. | 19:58 |
| infinity | Either because it has no bugs (hah), or text editor security bugs aren't considered worth anyone's time. | 19:59 |
| infinity | So, main vs universe for emacs makes no practical difference, AFAICT. | 19:59 |
| xnox | infinity: so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/evince/4/backends/libpdfdocument.so is what depends on synctex stuff, which let's one synchronize .tex sources with pdf to click and jump to tex source. Pretty much a must when doing tex stuff. It's really nice that it is built in. No idea, if we can make libpdfdocument gracefully dlopen synctex. | 20:00 |
| infinity | texlive-base has had a security update in trusty/xenial, but while it was clearly a critical CVE in its context, it's less critical in the context of "who actually would trip over this", so... | 20:01 |
| xnox | or like to have alternative build, which is installed / pulled in by texpackages. and if evince is there, it's magically started to be used/available. | 20:01 |
| infinity | xnox: Yeah, I'm not suggesting anyone needs to make a plugin solution that works to remove texlive-bin. Just that if the goal was "get rid of TeX so the desktop team can stop maintaining it", they're one package away from winning. :P | 20:02 |
| sbeattie | infinity: we've had and fixed a few issues in emacs a while ago, but nothing recent. | 20:02 |
| infinity | sbeattie: A long while ago, then, since I'm looking at >= precise. | 20:02 |
| sbeattie | I assume it's just not getting much attention from vulnerability searchers. | 20:02 |
| infinity | Oh, no I'm not. | 20:03 |
| infinity | Cause in trusty and xenial, it was emacs24. | 20:03 |
| infinity | And it did have updates. | 20:03 |
| sbeattie | yep | 20:03 |
| infinity | Okay, fair enough. | 20:03 |
| infinity | So there's some loss of support there, then. | 20:03 |
| infinity | And maybe we should still explicitly support it in some !desktop seed, but I'll let others argue about that. | 20:03 |
| infinity | While I'm a fan of Ubuntu's general policy of "pick one default tool to support and leave the rest in universe", I don't know if 15 years in is when we should be picking a winner in the text editor war. | 20:04 |
| connor_k | the internet would explode | 20:04 |
| * infinity grabs some quick lunch. | 20:05 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-manager [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:16.04.17] | 20:50 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: plyvel [i386] (focal-proposed/none) [1.1.0-2] (no packageset) | 23:14 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: plyvel [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/none) [1.1.0-2] (no packageset) | 23:15 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: plyvel [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [1.1.0-2] (no packageset) | 23:16 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: plyvel [s390x] (focal-proposed/none) [1.1.0-2] (no packageset) | 23:16 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: plyvel [arm64] (focal-proposed/none) [1.1.0-2] (no packageset) | 23:24 | |
| -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: plyvel [armhf] (focal-proposed/none) [1.1.0-2] (no packageset) | 23:24 | |
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