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[09:39] <cpaelzer> anyone around to accept https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-focal-spice/+merge/375632 to get this out of proposed migratioN?
[09:43] <Laney> cpaelzer: done, and agreed re: dropping crappy tests
[09:43] <cpaelzer> thanks
[10:12] <mwhudson> geoalchemy2 has regressed in release: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/geoalchemy2/focal/amd64
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[19:35]  * infinity raises an eyebrow at texlive-base, tex-common, emacs, and imagemagick (among others) all trying to move to universe...
[19:35] <infinity> Did someone just unseed some stuff they didn't care about?
[19:38] <infinity> Not that I'm against emacs being demoted (viva la vim!), but I might be biased.
[19:41] <infinity> Ahh, there it is.  The latest commit from laney to platform.focal
[19:41] <infinity> vorlon: Looks like the desktop team is washing their hands of emacs (and, thus, its dep chain).  Do we care enough to pick it up elsewhere, or good riddance?
[19:46] <xnox> infinity:  given that security team member publishes emacs as a classic snap, i wonder if i should just switch to using that one.
[19:47] <xnox> we used to care to build emacs bindings, but thanks to archive reorg we no longer need emacs in main to have a useful emacs-flavour-lisp compiler available as a build-dep.
[19:47] <infinity> xnox: I mean, it's not like we've ever had an emacs security update, so I'm not sure demoting to universe changes anything anyway.
[19:48] <infinity> The side-effect of dropping texlive-base out of supported is perhaps a bit weirder, but I think that was the desktop team's intent. :)
[19:49] <infinity> Laney: You could drop TeX entirely from main if evince didn't depend on it.  If maybe that bit could be made an optional plugin or something.
[19:49] <infinity> Laney: Not that I'm suggesting you should do that, but yeah, since your emacs change, literally the only thing keeping it in appears to be evince.
[19:49] <xnox> imho texlive-base in archive is also simply a -doc packages build-dep. Anyone serious about using texlive installs TeXLive distribution; or any other one. Back in the day, debian/ubuntu-distro packaged texlive distribution was the only conherent thing, but these days upstream TeXLive is fabilous with tested coherent sets of packages.
[19:50] <infinity> xnox: I hate that argument every time it's made for Package X.
[19:50] <xnox> especially to get all the tikz / luatex / etc
[19:50] <xnox> we really don't package enough of texlive =)))))
[19:50] <infinity> xnox: If "people serious about X always use upstream's build of X", then we've failed to do it right.
[19:51] <xnox> and mix and matching tex used to suck a lot, maybe that got better.
[19:51] <infinity> For some things, the answer is "stop doing it entirely" (like, PHP PEAR crap, or literally any webapp, or, or) and sometimes, it's "do it better".
[19:51] <xnox> But in practice, people do deploy bundled things using pep, gems, bundler, go vendor, juju charms, etc.
[19:52] <mdeslaur> amurray: hey emacs boy, ^
[19:52] <infinity> But yeah, if we don't want to invest Ubuntu time in it, and the Debian stuff is mediocre, that's a solid reason to also avoid supporting it.
[19:52] <xnox> we absolutely should/must support the bits of texlive that doxygen et.al.friends need though.
[19:52] <xnox> which is a small subset of the whole texlive.
[19:53] <infinity> xnox: we don't support doxygen. :P
[19:53] <xnox> because being able to compile upstream docs into pdf is a must
[19:53] <infinity> xnox: Maybe that should be fixed, which would yank some TeX back in, but right now, it's in universe.
[19:53] <xnox> we use it as a build-dep, and put the results into main, i.e. -doc packages
[19:53] <infinity> xnox: Yes, I know.  I'm saying we don't SUPPORT it.
[19:53] <xnox> horum
[19:54] <xnox> one can attack using texlive, i.e. make it generate shit that would explode into germs on like windows when pdf is opened.
[19:56] <xnox> oh
[19:56] <xnox> wait
[19:56] <infinity> ... germs?
[19:56] <infinity> Did you just go slightly off the rails?
[19:57] <xnox> infinity:  so many curated deployments, that are firewalled off to access texlive, do deploy tex from distro, because e.g. Ubuntu is locally mirrored. I remember limiting myself to whatever was in Ubuntu, or vendoring packages, because of it.
[19:57] <xnox> *that
[19:57] <infinity> xnox: Okay... and?
[19:57] <xnox> infinity:  re:off-the-rails i am jetlagged as timezones go
[19:57] <infinity> xnox: No one's removing it from the archive, just from main.
[19:58] <xnox> and => i wouldn't want to harakiri it like we are slicing i386. that.
[19:58] <infinity> Okay, no one's talking about tearing it out of the archive. :P
[19:58] <infinity> I was asking if we cared to keep it in main.
[19:58] <infinity> It started as an emacs question.  And, looking at history, we don't actually provide security support for emacs anyway.
[19:59] <infinity> Either because it has no bugs (hah), or text editor security bugs aren't considered worth anyone's time.
[19:59] <infinity> So, main vs universe for emacs makes no practical difference, AFAICT.
[20:00] <xnox> infinity:  so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/evince/4/backends/libpdfdocument.so is what depends on synctex stuff, which let's one synchronize .tex sources with pdf to click and jump to tex source. Pretty much a must when doing tex stuff. It's really nice that it is built in. No idea, if we can make libpdfdocument gracefully dlopen synctex.
[20:01] <infinity> texlive-base has had a security update in trusty/xenial, but while it was clearly a critical CVE in its context, it's less critical in the context of "who actually would trip over this", so...
[20:01] <xnox> or like to have alternative build, which is installed / pulled in by texpackages. and if evince is there, it's magically started to be used/available.
[20:02] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, I'm not suggesting anyone needs to make a plugin solution that works to remove texlive-bin.  Just that if the goal was "get rid of TeX so the desktop team can stop maintaining it", they're one package away from winning. :P
[20:02] <sbeattie> infinity: we've had and fixed a few issues in emacs a while ago, but nothing recent.
[20:02] <infinity> sbeattie: A long while ago, then, since I'm looking at >= precise.
[20:02] <sbeattie> I assume it's just not getting much attention from vulnerability searchers.
[20:03] <infinity> Oh, no I'm not.
[20:03] <infinity> Cause in trusty and xenial, it was emacs24.
[20:03] <infinity> And it did have updates.
[20:03] <sbeattie> yep
[20:03] <infinity> Okay, fair enough.
[20:03] <infinity> So there's some loss of support there, then.
[20:03] <infinity> And maybe we should still explicitly support it in some !desktop seed, but I'll let others argue about that.
[20:04] <infinity> While I'm a fan of Ubuntu's general policy of "pick one default tool to support and leave the rest in universe", I don't know if 15 years in is when we should be picking a winner in the text editor war.
[20:04] <connor_k> the internet would explode
[20:05]  * infinity grabs some quick lunch.
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