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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:01
didrocksgood morning07:08
jibelsalut didrocks et oSoMoN07:09
didrockssalut jibel07:09
oSoMoNsalut didrocks & jibel07:16
didrockshey oSoMoN07:19
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WimpressMorning desktoppers o/08:03
seb128gooood morning desktopers08:23
marcustomlinsonmorning oSoMoN didrocks jibel Wimpress and seb12808:43
didrockshey marcustomlinson08:43
seb128hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?08:43
seb128didrocks, you were mentioning nautilus/mtp problems?08:43
didrocksso, nautilus has a 50% of chance hanging for me when doing copy over mtp08:43
marcustomlinsonseb128: meh still recovering, you?08:43
didrocksI never got any issue when cp on a terminal08:43
seb128like locking the whole nautilus?08:43
seb128or just the copy hanging?08:44
didrocksyeah, and then, other apps are responsive08:44
didrocksbut not nautilus08:44
didrockscan't even move it08:44
didrocks(move the window)08:44
didrocksor have any other nautilus windows acting08:44
didrocksI don't have a stacktrace for it though reported it seems08:45
seb128looks a bit like bug ##1845302)08:45
seb128bug #184530208:45
ubot5bug 1845302 in mutter (Ubuntu Eoan) "cannot click on others opened applications while the "application not responding" dialog is opened" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184530208:45
didrocksI don't even have the application not responsding dialog08:45
seb128would still be useful to see if the proposed version helps with that pb08:45
seb128even if your segfault was a different one08:45
didrockswell, I can see it when killing the shell, so maybe it's opening on the brackground?08:45
didrocksyeah, let me file some bugs and I'll update later08:46
didrocksthough08:46
didrockswhen it's stuck08:46
didrocksI can still click on the terminal for instance08:46
didrocksand type there08:46
didrocksso, it's not a full X11 hang?08:46
didrocksas I can change focus and type08:46
seb128weird one08:47
seb128also I wish I was able to reproduce the mtp one08:47
seb128I wonder if that's the same as bug #1792085 , it's a frequent complain from some users since bionic but I never could reproduce08:47
ubot5bug 1792085 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "MTP not working/very slow on Bionic" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179208508:47
oSoMoNgood morning Wimpress, marcustomlinson, seb12808:48
didrocksseb128: I don't really know if it started due to some issues on eoan, OR if recent phone is not as good on the mtp side and trigger this…08:49
didrocksseb128: a little bit terse, but opened as bug #185311208:50
ubot5bug 1853112 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Applications are closed when killing the Shell (like on a hang)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185311208:50
seb128didrocks, thx08:50
seb128@mtp, yeah, I doubt the phone does mtp wrong, but maybe it does it a slightly different way that isn't handled well by libmtp or something08:51
seb128hard to tell without proper debugging :/08:51
didrockscould be, I'm switching to full terminal for some days08:51
seb128but we can't debug all the issues today :)08:51
didrocksand will see if I get the same issues08:51
seb128thx08:51
didrocksyeah, it's the one which triggered the 3 of them08:51
didrocksquite annoying to copy podcast on the phone for a run :)08:51
jibelI enabled automated tests of Focal and first builds have been promoted to current09:11
seb128jamesh, weekly summary reminder :-)10:19
Trevinho /reconnect13:47
didrocks-- disconnected13:53
didrocks-- connected13:53
Trevinho:)13:57
hellsworthgood morning desktopers!14:16
didrockshey hellsworth14:16
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth14:16
hellsworthhi yall :)14:16
hellsworthi woke up bright eyed and ready to do all the things at 5am. this is one of the nice things about going to europe for a conference :)14:17
WimpressHi hellsworth14:23
hellsworthhi there14:23
oSoMoNhey hellsworth14:29
hellsworthhi Olivier!14:30
seb128_o/14:30
hellsworth:)14:30
seb128Wimpress, meeting? ;)14:31
didrockshey14:32
Wimpressseb128: Can you drive the IRC bot please?14:33
seb128Wimpress, sure, can do14:33
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-1914:34
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Nov 19 14:34:02 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.14:34
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick14:34
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seb128Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out iirc?), laney (out), marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)14:34
hellswortho/14:34
seb128#topic rls-bb-bugs14:34
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marcustomlinson\o14:34
jibel\o14:34
Trevinhoo/14:34
seb128Wimpress, you handle those or do you want me to just drive while you get used to the way we usually roll?14:35
WimpressKen is visiting a customer.14:35
Wimpressseb128: Please run this one, I making note :-)14:35
seb128k, what I though, but since we didn't get that "start of week" email :p14:35
seb128Wimpress,14:35
seb128k14:35
seb128so bionic bugs!14:35
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:35
seb128desktop section empty14:35
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:36
seb128(looking for unassigned bugs which aren't fix commited)14:36
seb128bug #183697914:36
ubot5bug 1836979 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Kodi crashes with “nouveau_vp3_video_buffer_create: Assertion `templat->interlaced' failed”" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183697914:36
seb128that's incomplete so we can skip until it gets enough info14:36
seb128bug #185231514:37
ubot5bug 1852315 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-435 (Ubuntu Eoan) "CVE‑2019‑5696 5697 5698" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185231514:37
seb128seems like that one makes sense to track and should be assigned to tseliot_ / security14:37
seb128tseliot_, you handle it? can you assign the different lines as appropriate?14:37
seb128and that's it for bionic14:38
seb128#topic rls-dd-bugs14:38
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:38
seb128desktop section empty14:38
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:38
seb128nothing unassigned14:38
seb128#topic rls-ee-bugs14:38
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:39
seb128bug #185069614:39
ubot5bug 1850696 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Regression: cannot close notifications" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185069614:39
seb128L_aney nominated it14:39
seb128I do agree it's annoying, I don't know if I consider it annoy enough to be rls tracked though14:40
seb128what do others think?14:40
hellsworthLaney's rational makes sense to me14:40
hellswortha regression is bad14:40
WimpressI agree.14:40
WimpressIf we don't track it in ee we may lose it for ff.14:40
oSoMoN+114:41
seb128k, I'm overuled, fine :)14:41
* Trevinho gets it then...14:41
seb128Trevinho, sorry man!14:41
seb128Daniel is not around atm, we need to get you more gnome-shell hackers to help in the team14:41
* Trevinho waits for some other upstream to arrive :-D14:41
seb128next14:42
seb128bug #185218314:42
ubot5bug 1852183 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[X11] copy/paste (clipboard) is broken in Ubuntu 19.10" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185218314:42
seb128poor Trevinho14:42
seb128I consider that one more problematic than the notifications which are only cosmetic14:43
marcustomlinsonright so this is upstream in both mutter and libreoffice it seems14:43
seb128so if we gave +1 to the previous one I vote +1 for that one14:43
seb128marcustomlinson, did you test if the mutter mp to prefer the text type was enough to fix the issue in libreoffice?14:43
Trevinhoseb128: is not14:43
marcustomlinsonseb128: I have not14:44
TrevinhoI mean, well. for LO it could be enough in some scenarios14:44
WimpressYep, this one needs rls tracking.14:44
Trevinhobut....14:44
TrevinhoLO is also broken14:44
marcustomlinsonTrevinho said that was not the way to go though14:44
seb128k, anyway, we shouldn' t discuss technically details14:44
seb128+1 for nomination14:44
TrevinhoI'+114:44
oSoMoN+1 as well14:44
seb128Trevinho, gets the shell side, marcustomlinson the libreoffice one14:44
marcustomlinsonyeah14:44
seb128Trevinho, marcustomlinson, k?14:44
seb128thx14:44
seb128done14:45
Trevinhok14:45
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:45
seb128same nvidia one we talked about earlier14:46
seb128the other ones are either owned or incomplete or fix commited14:46
seb128#topic rls-ff-incoming14:46
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seb128#topic rls-ff-bugs14:46
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:46
seb128the first one is assigned I just forgot to untag, doing that now14:46
seb128the other 2 we just discussed14:46
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:47
seb128that's in shape14:47
seb128</bug>14:47
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:47
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seb128https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:47
seb128L_aney asked me to take care of that one since14:47
seb128- he's off today14:47
seb128- asking for volunteer 2 weeks ago didn't get us much tractions14:48
seb128sooo14:48
hellsworthi'll volunteer for harfbuzz and pango14:48
seb128we have some easy MIRs (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess) to file from that list14:49
hellsworthi haven't done this before so i don't really know what i'm signed up for so i'll ask for hand holding :)14:49
oSoMoNI haven't sorted out the librsvg one due to lack of time but I'll look into it this week14:49
seb128I would suggest that as part of sharing the knownledge on how to do MIR, we would ask people who never filed on to volunteer maybe?14:49
seb128I'm fine helping/working with you to explain the process and get the bugs filed14:50
hellsworthyep i volunteer14:50
seb128thx hellsworth!14:50
seb128need a second one14:50
didrocksI'm happy to tutor hellsworth on filing a MIR (and do the review at the same time then)14:50
hellsworthi picked two random ones though14:50
seb128marcustomlinson, did you ever do one?14:50
marcustomlinsonyes but I'll do another14:50
seb128k, thanks14:50
hellsworthsweet! didrocks i'll ping you afterwords on how to get started14:50
didrockssame for marcustomlinson :)14:50
didrocksthat way, we tackle the reviewing side of MIR-team14:50
seb128hellsworth, didrocks, bug #185139514:51
ubot5bug 1851395 in libmail-authenticationresults-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-authenticationresults-perl, dependency of libmaildekim-perl" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185139514:51
seb128hellsworth, that's yours then14:51
hellsworthokey dokey14:51
seb128thx14:52
seb128hellsworth, I will help you for harfbuzz/pango, let's have a look together when you want14:52
hellsworthperfect sounds good14:52
seb128marcustomlinson, I though we had a second MIR, but the first in the list might go away by demoting emacs components14:53
seb128if others want to volunteer for something please let me know in /query | /msg14:53
seb128I will add trello cards and we will find assignees otherwise14:53
seb128just as a FYI I think fixing issue for "un-owned" components should be a shared effort and asking for volunteers doesn't work great from past cycles experience14:54
seb128so I'm going to propose we just start doing equal assingement to team members for those items14:54
seb128but that doesn't need to be discussed/sorted out here&today14:54
seb128#topic AOB14:55
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seb128ok, any other topic?14:55
seb128one from me, I will start updating the trello for new cycles14:55
didrocksnothing for me14:55
seb128adding cards for the work I know about, in one column sorted by importance/priority14:56
seb128we said in Paris we would try that, so let's see how it goes14:56
Wimpressseb128: We can work on that together a little later if you lie?14:56
Wimpress*like14:56
seb128if you have work you plan to do feel free to card it as well14:56
seb128Wimpress, sure, let's chat about it after the meeting14:57
seb128any other topic?14:57
WimpressNot right now.14:57
seb128k, let's wrap then14:58
seb128thanks team!14:58
seb128#endmeeting14:58
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Nov 19 14:58:32 2019 UTC.14:58
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hellsworththank you!14:58
WimpressThanks seb12814:58
oSoMoNthanks14:58
hellsworthoSoMoN: since you helped me take a look at cherrytree, i wonder if you have any thoughts on why theming isn't working: https://github.com/hellsworth/cherrytree15:13
hellsworth(the add-snap branch)15:15
oSoMoNhellsworth, I'm too busy to have a look right now, but I'll see if I can later today15:19
hellsworthah ok no problem. if you can't get to it at all that's ok and I'll bug kenvandine :)15:19
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: how many snaps have you managed to get working with the gnome-3-34 extension so far?16:01
marcustomlinsonI mean theming working any all16:02
marcustomlinson*and16:02
hellsworthall but cherrytree. i haven't had any themeing issues16:02
hellsworthwhich makes troubleshooting hard because all of my examples dont' do anything special to make themeing work16:03
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2fqq4Jg69R/16:03
marcustomlinsonyou only see this ^ on first launch though. you can `rm -rf ~/snap/cherrytree` to simulate again16:03
hellsworthbut snaps working with the gnome-3-34 extension are: evince, calculator, simple-scan16:04
marcustomlinsonI fear there's some clashing going on between gtk2 and gtk3 here16:04
marcustomlinsonlike the application is expecting gtk2 symbols and gtk3 is being provided16:05
hellsworthah i should have looked more closely at my build output16:05
hellsworthi could add gtk2 stuff - and no extension - like gimp/glimpse does and see if that looks nicer16:06
marcustomlinsonquite possible yeah16:07
hellsworthbut the cherrytree deb looks nice and seems to use gtk316:07
hellsworthso it shouldn't need gtk216:07
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: where do you see that it uses gtk3?16:09
hellsworthjust eyeballing it16:10
hellsworthi pasted a screenshot in telegram16:10
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: I'm almost certain the problem is these: python-gtk2, python-gtksourceview216:19
hellsworthhmm16:19
hellsworthcan python2.7 not use gtk3?16:19
hellsworthi had assumed this was true but maybe not16:20
hellsworthso yeah i'll try with gimp/glimpse method then16:20
marcustomlinsoncan but you'll have some duplicated libs in the snap and platform16:20
hellsworthyeah makes sense16:24
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: it may work just to stage those two packages in gnome-3-34-180416:28
marcustomlinsonbut it's a big _may_16:29
hellsworthwell maybe but that would be a pretty heavy-handed solution, no?16:29
marcustomlinsonif it's what's needed in the platform to support python gtk apps then I'd say necessary16:30
hellsworthi don't think we should accommodate gtk2 apps with the gnome-3-34 extension though. the apps should move to gtk3. heck, they should be getting ready for gtk416:30
hellsworthi mean using the extension is an alternative method of building snaps. they don't have to use it16:31
marcustomlinsonoh sorry16:31
hellsworthactually, i wonder what is in freedesktop-sdk16:31
marcustomlinsonI read python2-gtk not python-gtk216:31
marcustomlinsonright, back to the gtk2 problem then16:31
hellsworth:)16:31
hellsworthalso i think python2.7 is soon to be deprecated16:31
hellsworthi only wanted to snap cherrytree because i can't live without it :)16:32
hellsworthso really we shouldn't go out of our way with the extension to support python2.7 or gtk216:32
marcustomlinsonright, I think we're simply facing a gtk2 app (square shape) trying to use a gtk3 runtime (circle hole)16:33
hellsworthmarcustomlinson: thanks for pointing out that it's a gtk2 app so i have something else to try :)16:33
marcustomlinsonit only runs because of the packages you staged16:34
hellsworthyep16:34
hellsworthi didn't put two and two together16:34
marcustomlinsonno, you put two and three together16:37
marcustomlinsonba dum tss!16:38
hellsworthhaha yes good one. i am actually laughing over here :)16:42
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seb128marcustomlinson, turns out libmail-authenticationresults-perl has a depends on another perl component which is currently in universe, so we get to do another one for libscalar-list-utils-perl20:40
seb128marcustomlinson, can you handle that one?20:40
seb128marcustomlinson, you can use the one hellsworth just did as an example, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmail-dkim-perl/+bug/185317520:40
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1853175 in libmail-dkim-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-authenticationresults-perl" [Undecided,New]20:40
seb128(not for today, no hurry)20:40
hellsworthmarcustomlinson: seb128 i'd like to open that MIR too since it is a cascading issue from the libmail-authenticationresults-perl depends issue.20:42
seb128hellsworth, sorry I should have asked you first, that sounds good to me!20:43
seb128marcustomlinson, unping, you get to wait until the next one, lucky you ;)20:43
hellsworthfyi i'm going to do it later (maybe tomorrow) though since i want to keep on what i'm doing with troubleshooting a snapcraft extension issue20:43
seb128hellsworth, no hurry, those packages are not blocking any important work and MIR team usually takes some time to do reviews anyway20:44
seb128so tomorrow/later in the week is fine20:44

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