[00:01] <xubuntu68w> in other words, is will xarchiver show up in the context menus of dolphin since dolphin is a KDE application?
[04:41] <autostart> i just installed xfce via the ubuntu minimal iso. How do I get xfce to start when I boot into my machine instead of having to type "startx" from the ttyl login?
[04:44] <autostart> my intention was to get a more minimal install with just xfce, but I would like xfce to boot on start up like a traditional xubuntu desktop
[04:56] <Bashing-om> autostart: Then you want a login manager: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems .
[04:58] <autostart> bashing-om thanks, I see there are a few listed on that page. Do you know which login manager xubuntu uses?
[04:58] <Unit193> With LightDM, you can even have it autologin.
[04:58] <Unit193> Specifically, lightdm+lightdm-gtk-greeter for Xubuntu.
[05:02] <autostart> unit193, I will install that one
[05:04] <autostart> also, I installed the 18.04 LTS release, so it looks like I ended up with xfce 4.12 and not 4.14. Will the new version of xfce make its way into the main repo so that when I update the xfce4 package it will eventually update to the latest release?
[05:08] <Unit193> 18.04 will not officially see 4.14, no.
[05:10] <autostart> unit193, alright,  so I should install the 19.10 mini iso then
[05:10] <Unit193> If you really want 4.14, then yes.  Though it is available from a PPA, and will be in 20.04 LTS as well.
[05:12] <autostart> unit193, i have 1 more question -- i noticed the hardware buttons (e.g. volume control) on my thinkpad don't work from a basic ubuntu install + xfce but they do work with xubuntu, do you know what package xubuntu would have included to provide hardware button support?
[05:13] <Unit193> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin should handle that, if added to the panel.  Also, you may consider installing the 'xubuntu-core^' task, it should have a more minimal Xubunt set up (but still may be too much for your taste)
[05:13] <Unit193> You can also use xfce4-volumed for the volume buttons.
[05:15] <autostart> looks like the pulse audio plugin took care of it
[05:15] <autostart> thanks
[15:59] <mousedownmike> Hi folks.  I encountered an issue with installing/removing xubuntu-desktop with apt in a Ubuntu 19.10 setup.  I'm curious if I should open a bug for it and where...
[16:00] <mousedownmike> Essentially after "sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop" I got Xubuntu installed and running.  The boot screen/full disk encryption login became Xubuntu branded.
[16:01] <mousedownmike> When I did "sudo apt remove xubuntu-desktop" the boot screen/full disk decrypt screen remained Xubuntu branded.
[16:03] <tomreyn> seems logical to me. you installed a meta package and all of its dependencies. then removed a meta package.
[16:04] <mousedownmike> Ok, I guess I assumed the desktop branding would be removed as part of that removal.
[16:05] <GridCube> no
[16:06] <GridCube> if you want a different "branding" i guess you could reinsatll ubuntu-deskop
[16:06] <GridCube> or maybe change it manually
[16:07] <mousedownmike> Nope, it just struck me as abnormal behavior, and thought I'd open an issue for it if that was the case.  If this is expected, I'll carry on.
[16:08] <brainwash> did you "sudo apt autoremove" to uninstall now unneeded packages?
[16:08] <brainwash> did you run
[16:08] <mousedownmike> I did.
[16:09] <mousedownmike> The disk decryption screen "ecryptfs?" also has a progress screen and a note about "Ctrl-C to cancel disk checks".  I don't recall that being there with my original install.
[16:10] <mousedownmike> That seemed to lead me to think it was more than just branding but it's funny how quickly we can forget what something looks like when we see it every day.
[16:10] <brainwash> plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo
[16:10] <brainwash> plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text
[16:10] <mousedownmike> I don't remember Gnome 19.10 had that progress bara.
[16:11] <brainwash> you still have those two packages installed?
[16:11] <mousedownmike> lemme check
[16:12] <GridCube> i think there is a tool that removes metapackages but i'm not sure
[16:13] <mousedownmike>  Yes those are installed.
[16:14] <mousedownmike> those = plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo and -text
[16:15] <brainwash> I guess the question is why those are still there
[16:16] <mousedownmike> Yes, and if it's worthy of opening an issue for.
[16:17] <brainwash> my understanding is that installing xubuntu-desktop will pull in all needed packages, but they will be marked as automatic installed
[16:18] <brainwash> removing xubuntu-desktop and cleaning up packages which were marked as auto installed should do the job
[16:18] <brainwash> sudo apt autoremove does that
[16:20] <mousedownmike> I'm currently getting : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove
[16:20] <brainwash> mousedownmike: I would only open a report after verifying it's an issue with another system
[16:20] <brainwash> or using the Ubuntu live session (booting from the ISO)
[16:21] <mousedownmike> I think it will require more than a live session since it occurs with the encrypted file system screen.
[16:21] <mousedownmike> But... I may have the opportunity to try again in a couple weeks and will give it a go.
[18:33] <rud0lf> hello.. i have this problem with Dell Precision M4800 with xubuntu 18.04 - i have set up in power management "blank screen after 15 minutes" but when 15 minutes passes, the screen stays on, until i move mouse or press a keyboard key, then it blanks
[18:33] <rud0lf> any idea how i could troubleshoot it?
[18:34] <rototillerman> Hi, occasional linux user here... I just set up a used Lenovo T431s with Ubuntu 18.04.  Seems to work quite logically, except for one thing: captive portal wifi.  Have googled around and tried various suggestions: try navigating to a non-https site, try connecting directly to access point gateway address, no joy.  A lot of what comes up in Google
[18:34] <rototillerman> is Ubuntu specific, so I wonder if this is a common problem with a standard approach in Xubuntu?
[18:41] <brainwash> rototillerman: I don't think there is any difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu in this regard
[18:42] <brainwash> same network tools and services are used
[18:47] <brainwash> rud0lf: maybe it is caused by the compositor
[18:47] <rud0lf> what is compositor? :>
[18:47] <brainwash> xfce settings > windows manager tweaks > last tab
[18:47] <brainwash> xfwm4's builtin one
[18:47] <rud0lf> i'm a nerd but i hear this name for the first time
[18:48] <brainwash> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager
[18:49] <brainwash> usually, the actual issue is the graphics driver or some bug in Xorg
[18:53] <rud0lf> wow
[18:53] <rud0lf> oh sorry, wrong window
[19:07] <rototillerman> brainwash: here is the failure sequence... I can select the wireless network using the icon in the lower right (I've relocated the panel, btw).  This succeeds, and I get a notice that I'm connected successfully.
[19:09] <rototillerman> I open Firefox.  It gives me a little notice at the top of the window, saying that it is necessary to log into the network in order to access the Internet.  I click on that bar, and expect to see the login page.
[19:09] <hansh_> gnrp, seems to be a bug/limitation, xubuntu 18.04 panels does not handle this situation correctly in VMWare: the primary display is disconnected, and the panel should now move to an extant display (it doesn't, it keeps trying to "display" on the now no-longer-existing display)
[19:11] <hansh_> but telling it manually to move to an existing display, that solves the problem (but has to be done manually)
[19:11] <rototillerman> Instead of the login page, I get a "Secure Connection Failed" notice, with a PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR.  It suggests that I contact the owner of the network.  It's quite possible that the network is configured weirdly, but I've connected with Mac and Windows clients without issue, so it can't be totally wrong.
[19:12] <hansh_> wifi? vpn? what
[19:13] <hansh_> rototillerman, what are you trying to connect to?
[19:13] <brainwash> rototillerman: you mentioned that you got search results for Ubuntu, so why not try to apply/test them?
[19:18] <rototillerman> Trying to connect to a public wifi at a workplace.  The Ubuntu results refer to settings that don't seem to exist in the XFCE interface.
[19:20] <brainwash> like?
[19:20] <brainwash> both run network-manager
[19:20] <rototillerman> In particular, one suggestion for Ubuntu was to turn off Connectivity Checking, ie. Settings > Privacy > Connectivity Checking > Off
[19:22] <brainwash> https://askubuntu.com/a/1094558
[19:24] <brainwash> but I think this is something that only Ubuntu does
[19:24] <brainwash> checking the connectivity
[19:24] <rototillerman> Hey, I'll give it a go, though!
[19:25] <brainwash> by pinging their own servers(?)
[19:25] <brainwash> sure
[19:26] <rototillerman> I think the point of the connectivity checking is that it is expressly trying to connect to a known non-https site, so that the access point can do the re-direct to the splash screen.  I don't know why turning it off would improve the situation, but that is what was suggested here:
[19:26] <rototillerman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1046321/cannot-reach-public-wifi-login-page-in-ubuntu-18-04-captive-portal-issue
[19:31] <brainwash> not sure if anyone here can help with that problem
[19:31] <brainwash> seems to be very specific
[19:33] <brainwash> personally, I would do a quick test with Fedora or any other distribution
[19:33] <brainwash> by booting the live session
[19:33] <rototillerman> OK, thank you for your time, much appreciated.  Yes, I'll give that a go, too.
[19:34] <brainwash> if it ends up working there, I'd try to compare the network setups (configs, logs,..)
[19:34] <brainwash> also possible that it works in a newer Ubuntu release
[19:35] <brainwash> 19.10
[19:40] <rototillerman> OK, discovered that it was actually a Firefox setting!  This time I searched for PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR, and it led me to this page: https://cheapsslsecurity.com/blog/troubleshoot-secure-connection-failed-error-firefox/
[19:41] <rototillerman> changed the setting of security.ssl.enable_ocsp_stapling to false, and voila! splash screen, connection, confetti!
[19:49] <rototillerman> Thanks for your patience.
[20:23] <Noboru55> brainwash chromium still works very good
[20:24] <Noboru55> keep walking
[20:24] <Noboru55> brainwash thanks for the hint, sugestion, advice... even i do not know the reason its ok now
[20:29] <Noboru55> i would like to see good themes for xubuntu, if someone here like this kind of thing, please show me...  thanks
[20:33] <Noboru55> i was thinking about study html css and php... what software would be a good option in linux?
[20:36] <Noboru55> rud0lf hello, did u solve that blank window problem?
[20:37] <rud0lf> Noboru55: no i haven't
[20:37] <Noboru55> rud0lf nice ^ ^ i had the same problme
[20:37] <Noboru55> problem*
[20:37] <rud0lf> you mean the one "wait for keystroke to blank screen"?
[20:37] <Noboru55> yes
[20:37] <rud0lf> i got disoriented when you used "window" name
[20:37] <Noboru55> ah sorry, i am not english speaker
[20:38] <rud0lf> no problem, i can read you quite well
[20:39] <Noboru55> rud0lf can i ask if u installed some screensaver?
[20:40] <rud0lf> no
[20:40] <Noboru55> to me it was the problem, had no screensaver software installed
[20:40] <rud0lf> it's just deafult one
[20:40] <Noboru55> rud0lf i see ^^
[20:40] <Noboru55> i had this problem of blank screen...  now its ok...
[20:40] <rud0lf> Noboru55: do you also have Dell laptop?
[20:41] <Noboru55> rud0lf no, but i think it happens to any laptop. not sure
[20:42] <Noboru55> as i said, i just installed the xscreensaver and when the screen gets blank, a screensaver up and u can move mouse or press a key to back to the X
[20:42] <Noboru55> hope i am not saying a bullshit.. sorry
[20:46] <rud0lf> my problem is different
[20:46] <rud0lf> when i wait 15 minutes for screen to go blank, it does not
[20:46] <rud0lf> until i move mouse, then it runs screensaver
[20:46] <rud0lf> and i want to save my monitor
[20:46] <Noboru55> i see, the presentation mode is on?
[20:46] <rud0lf> nope
[20:49] <Noboru55> mmm.. i can't help because these problems of screen i did the upgrade of xfce
[20:49] <Noboru55> so i use the xfce4-screensaver and i disable the energy control
[20:49] <Noboru55> so here it works in other way
[20:50] <Noboru55> hope someone can help u... anyway i guess you would not have this problem in xubuntu 19.10
[22:38] <xubuntu50w> hello everyone
[22:39] <xubuntu50w> i have problem with installation Wine or PlayonLinux on my Asus 1225c netbook (with xubuntu 19.04)
[22:40] <xubuntu50w> there is error:
[22:40] <xubuntu50w> Wine could not be installedE: failed to get lock / var / lib / dpkg / lock-frontend - open (11: resources temporarily unavailable)
[22:41] <xubuntu50w> (with PlayonLinux problem also occurs)
[22:42] <xubuntu50w> could you please give me some hint how to handle with that?
[22:57] <genii> xubuntu50w: Usually in these cases it is some automatic update which is running in the background and has locked the file. The solution is to try later after it has finished
[23:03] <xubuntu50w> ok, i will try later. thank you.