[00:01] <sarnold> gp: bsdtar can do it https://github.com/libarchive/libarchive/wiki/LibarchiveFormats
[00:05] <aleksandrdvorkin> can somebody help me i am trying to setup the Zen Cart at this link https://websiteforstudents.com/install-zen-cart-on-ubuntu-17-04-17-10-with-apache2-mariadb-and-php-support
[00:06] <gp> sarnold: Thanks
[00:06] <OerHeks> more recent  howto .. https://hostadvice.com/how-to/how-to-install-and-configure-zen-cart-on-an-ubuntu-18-04-vps-or-dedicated-server/
[00:07] <OerHeks> your url should be altered to php7.2 ..
[00:08] <OerHeks> !info php7.2 bionic
[00:14] <renata444> Hey since the 19.10 upgrade. I lost the ability to control my volume, in XUBUNTU and its xfce. The controls on my keyboard activate the animation for wolume which moves up and down but the sound is unchanged. Same with using mouse to click speaker. I have to go into the audio mixer_> Output and click "set as fallback" check arrow on my device.
[00:14] <renata444> System is not remembering that setting either and goes away when I reboot. I do not know enough about Linux to solve this. Please point me in the direction
[00:16] <sarnold> renata444: if you don't get any answers here you may wish to try in #xubuntu too
[00:18] <Ascavasaion> Any idea why PCManFM closes (crashes?) when I unmount a device?
[00:20] <sarnold> if you run it from a terminal do you see any error messages printed when it dies?
[00:25] <aleksandrdvorkin> OerHerks thanks actually helped me get by the Database setup not allowing acces to Mysql
[00:46] <KazDax> I am trying to install ubuntu in virtual box but i am having no luck ...It crashes right after the formating scene
[00:46] <KazDax> right now its showing me a blank screen right after i choose to format and install the ubuntu
[00:47] <compdoc> I havent used vb in a long time, but how much ram are you giving?
[00:47] <KazDax> 2 gig i believe
[00:47] <KazDax> its now saying error failed to send host log message
[00:48] <compdoc> do you ahve a choice of type of video hardware?
[00:48] <KazDax> let me check
[00:48] <KazDax> this is a new device ..it is a alienware
[00:48] <KazDax> but ususally i never have luck running ubuntu under virtual box on any system
[00:48] <compdoc> I mean for the guest
[00:49] <compdoc> its the newest version of vb?
[00:49] <KazDax> yes
[00:49] <KazDax> its now saying out fo memory
[00:49] <KazDax> maybe i havnt given 2 gigs
[00:49] <KazDax> let me check
[00:51] <KazDax> i have given 1 gig
[00:51] <KazDax> display is given 16 mb
[00:51] <KazDax> i think that might be a problem
[00:51] <KazDax> graphic controller is called VMSVGA
[00:51] <sarnold> KazDax: try giving closer to three gigs; I think there's a snapd issue that caused it to use somnewhere around 2.5 gigs ram during install
[00:53] <KazDax> now it just hows me a blank screen..when i on the vm
[00:54] <KazDax> hold on a sec
[00:56] <shadoxx_> Hey, anyone have experience with LVM volumes on an ISCSI target on Ubuntu 18.04 server on kernel 5.0.0-32?
[00:57] <shadoxx_> Systemd 237 I believe. ISCSI pv refuses to come back up after a reboot. seems like a common issue with no resolution online. i'm starting to wonder if I set the initial pv/lvm incorrectly
[00:57] <shadoxx_> I did a pvcreate on the raw iscsi lun, with just a simple gpt partition table.
[00:58] <shadoxx_> Should I throw the pv in a huge partition? Though it was my understanding physical volumes can be on raw LUNs
[00:58] <shadoxx_> and this is a 36TB LUN
[00:59] <shadoxx_> i can't even get pvscan pvchange lvchange to recognize the pv exists. but if i go through the creation process again with all default vaules, everything shows up and the data is there
[00:59] <shadoxx_> i would consider myself an expert user, but wow. this has me hitting a wall.
[00:59] <KazDax> its working now
[00:59] <KazDax> so some system process takes more than 2.5 of ram to install the ubuntu ?
[01:00] <KazDax> i also up the ram provided to the vm gpu ..so i dont know which one solved the problem
[01:02] <sarnold> KazDax: yeah, I think it's part of snapd's first boot steps
[01:32] <fleabeard> hello friends, is there any software available for ubuntu that allows me to plot a network? I usually do so in Visio or Cisco Packet Tracer in Windows,but wondered if anything exists for ubuntu that could meet this need?
[01:34] <sarnold> fleabeard: almost too many choices; dia and xfig are ancient, if we still package them at all.. inkscape is much newer and probably nicer but I don't know how well it does for diagram kind of things
[01:34] <sarnold> dot and graphviz and various latex graphing packages may be easier to do programmatically
[01:34] <fleabeard> hey thanks, that gives me a starting point at least :)
[01:34] <flog> I always find visio bulky to create network diagrams.
[01:34] <fleabeard> yeah,it really is!
[01:36] <flog> Creating diagrams from spread sheets/lits would be awesome.
[01:43] <flog> sarnold: thank for the tips
[01:43] <sarnold> flog :)
[01:43] <sarnold> my pleasure
[01:43] <flog> Even though its not strictly ubuntu related.
[02:09] <bryguypgh> I just did "mv /olddrive/myfiles ~/" but I forgot I had a symlink from ~/myfiles to /olddrive/myfiles. Now the original dir seems to be gone
[02:09] <bryguypgh> am i screwed or can this be undone?
[02:10] <bryguypgh> surprised that it silently let me write them out of existence
[02:20] <renata444> Hey since the 19.10 upgrade. I lost the ability to control my volume, in XUBUNTU and its xfce. The controls on my keyboard activate the animation for wolume which moves up and down but the sound is unchanged. Same with using mouse to click speaker. I have to go into the audio mixer_> Output and click "set as fallback" check arrow on my device.
[02:20] <renata444> System is not remembering that setting either and goes away when I reboot. I do not know enough about Linux to solve this. Please point me in the direction
[02:21] <renata444> its like the system does not remember which audio device is default so it assigns none.
[02:22] <renata444> Im assuming there is a file, where I can edit and set my line out s he default audio
[04:16] <warsoul> whats the correct command to update?
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[04:19] <cluelessperson> okay, wth
[04:19] <cluelessperson> I'm randomly getting these events
[04:19] <cluelessperson> Nov 19 20:19:41 ztab acpid: completed netlink event "ibm/hotkey LEN0268:00 00000080 00001311"
[04:19] <cluelessperson> just started today.
[04:40] <bionicpup64_1518> HELP have to install in safe mode then when done wont load
[04:41] <tomreyn> bionicpup64_1518: do you have any more details, such as what you'Re installing, and what you're installing it on?
[04:41] <bionicpup64_1518> ubuntu 19 on dell alienware 51m
[04:41] <bionicpup64_1518> with rtx2080
[04:42] <tomreyn> "safe mode" is a windows term, please describe what you're doing as a result of which error messages and / or unexpected situation
[04:42] <tomreyn> !YY.MM
[04:42] <bionicpup64_1518> ubuntu 19.10
[04:43] <bionicpup64_1518> ubuntu 18.04 wont even load for me
[04:43] <tomreyn> is windows still installed? you should ensure you run the latest bios first of all
[04:43] <bionicpup64_1518> just tring to install it
[04:43] <bionicpup64_1518> i do
[04:43] <bionicpup64_1518> and i have
[04:44] <tomreyn> very well. so what happens when you boot the 19.10 desktop (i assume?) installer normally?
[04:44] <bionicpup64_1518> no wont install normal
[04:45] <bionicpup64_1518> have to pick safe video mode something like that
[04:45] <bionicpup64_1518> it loads installs
[04:45] <tomreyn> okay, so i assume you're saying you get no graphical output when you boot normally
[04:45] <bionicpup64_1518> then when i have top reboot screen dont work at all have weird lines thru it
[04:45] <bionicpup64_1518> yes
[04:45] <bionicpup64_1518> or it get hung up on the purple screen sometimes
[04:47] <tomreyn> so you did an installation in failsafe graphics mode, but you're saying the system won't boot afterwards? did the installation ducceed without errors, though?
[04:47] <bionicpup64_1518> no errors
[04:47] <bionicpup64_1518> nothing
[04:47] <bionicpup64_1518> thats why i am stumped
[04:48] <tomreyn> during installation or during boot?
[04:48] <bionicpup64_1518> durning boot
[04:48] <bionicpup64_1518> and install
[04:48] <bionicpup64_1518> nothing
[04:48] <tomreyn> does grub menu show when you hit escape repeatedly during boot?
[04:49] <bionicpup64_1518> never tried that
[04:49] <bionicpup64_1518> still kinda new to geting linux on my pc and learning it
[04:50] <tomreyn> it would give you access to the recovery menu, so you may want to try this now.
[04:50] <bionicpup64_1518> ok will try
[04:50] <bionicpup64_1518> ty
[04:51] <tomreyn> !recovery
[04:51] <tomreyn> see this link for more info
[04:53] <tomreyn> oh and look for an ethernet wire already, you'll likely need it initially.
[06:34] <flog> Got two usb-sticks connected to my machine but none of them are detected. sudo fdisk -l wont show them.
[06:34] <EdFletcherT137> flog: what does `sudo lsusb` show?
[06:35] <flog> Nothing to do with usb-sticks unfortunately
[06:35] <EdFletcherT137> flog: nothing in dmesg either?
[06:35] <EdFletcherT137> or syslog?
[06:36] <flog> Hav enot tried mounting usbdrives previously. Installed jmtpfs and mtp-tools to transfere files from my android phone.
[06:36] <flog> But when that did not work i was gonna transfer on usb stick instead. but now they dont list either.
[06:41] <flog> Should ubuntu automount usb-drives?
[06:42] <bagira> yep
[06:42] <blue1> pm -- yes they should auto-mount -- sometimes it doesn't get the interrupt, and you have to remove and try again.
[06:43] <blue1> This may/may not help:  http://www.pkill-9.com/mount-usb-micro-sd-card-linux-automount/
[06:43] <flog> I was thinking jmptfs messed with somethnig
[06:51] <tiox> So right fun fact, at least for Ubuntu MATE; if you used symlinks for the big five home directories handled usually by XDG and reinstall the system their directory-specific icons are not preserved in the process, so you'd have to sign out, go into a TTY to delete the links, remake the directories, reassign via XDG the directories, sign in to confirm the icons are restored, then sign out, delete directories, re-make the links and then the
[06:51] <tiox>  links will have the usual icons in your home.
[06:52] <tiox> Kinda dumb but that's a thing.
[07:43] <Fudge> hi, just plugged in hp wireless keyboard and am not sure how to reverse function keys so they perform as f1-12 without fn key being used. any advice?
[07:59] <linuxperia> Hi all. I need to install AMD Vega 64 GPU Driver for Ubuntu 19.10 but AMD only Provides Driver for 18.04. How can i install the AMD Vega 64 GPU Driver on my Ubuntu 19.10 from official Repository ? Which packages need to be Installed ?
[08:41] <AugustusCaesar24> how do you guys get ready for an update
[08:41] <AugustusCaesar24> i have nginx and ufw
[08:42] <AugustusCaesar24> i told ufw to only allow from my ip address
[08:42] <AugustusCaesar24> do i have to tell nginx too?
[08:59] <rory> AugustusCaesar24: ufw controls traffic that will reach your PC, before it gets to nginx. There is no practical need to do both, apart from security through layers.
[08:59] <rory> AugustusCaesar24: not sure what your question is about an update.
[09:00] <AugustusCaesar24> if youre going to update your project do you block the other ips while updating or do you just do git pull and update?
[09:00] <AugustusCaesar24> are there any steps i should take while im updating and testing the website while someone else might also be on the website
[09:01] <bagira> AugustusCaesar24: what some folks do if they've built an HA solution is a blue/green deployment, where they deploy to one node after pulling it out of rotation, test there, and if it passes, start swapping out with the others
[09:02] <AugustusCaesar24> i only have one server though and i think only one node
[09:02] <sveinse> I'm trying to get my external DP screen working from a Lenovo P51 dock on 19.10. This works with 18.04, and I remember I had to tweak some configs to set it up. However I've forgotten what I did. Any pointers to what I can do?
[09:02] <AugustusCaesar24> i was thinking about stopping everyone else from getting to the website except me and test and then put it back up
[09:02] <sveinse> One notable difference is that gnome screen settings does not show more than one monitor. It shows two in 18.04
[09:03] <bagira> AugustusCaesar24: sure.  you could also have your deployment system turn access off for everyone but it, run some automated tests (python.requests) and verify everything's working, then fix the access to open again
[09:03] <bagira> cuts down on time
[09:04] <AugustusCaesar24> gotcha
[09:04] <bagira> AugustusCaesar24: you really should develop local, test in a non-produciton environment, and then promote to production when it's in good shape, at the very least though
[09:04] <AugustusCaesar24> would i then only open 443 and 80 and 80/tcp and 443/tcp for me and close the rest right?
[09:04] <AugustusCaesar24> yeah thats what im doing currently
[09:05] <bagira> 80/443 is your standard http ports.  i didn't build your app, you did, only you know what ports you need
[09:05] <AugustusCaesar24> im learning currently so chances are im thinking too much or something
[09:05] <AugustusCaesar24> i think if i just git pull and restart nginx it should work correctly
[09:06] <bagira> git is not a deployment component
[09:06] <bagira> never use a pull deployment method
[09:06] <bagira> push, push, push
[09:07] <bagira> what you use to deploy to your lower environment should be what you use to deploy to production
[09:07] <bagira> otherwise your deployments are not consistent
[09:07] <bagira> between environments
[09:07] <AugustusCaesar24> should i not be using git to deploy to production?
[09:07] <bagira> no you should not
[09:07] <AugustusCaesar24> what should i be using then
[09:08] <bagira> anything else that involves a "push" instead of a "pull"
[09:08] <bagira> i recommend jenkins
[09:09] <AugustusCaesar24> thank you ill check it out
[09:09] <bagira> AugustusCaesar24: you can save alot of time if you have your jenkins host watch your repo for pushes to master to automatically kick off a deployment to your lower environment, and then also watch your "PRODUCTION" branch for merges to push to your production environment
[09:10] <bagira> then you can test in lower, merge to production branch to kick off the production deployment
[09:10] <AugustusCaesar24> thats genius!
[09:10] <sveinse> hmm, for some reason xorg on 19.10 is unable to detect my DP monitor, while 18.04 does. Am I missing some components?
[09:10] <AugustusCaesar24> respect to you young sir
[09:10] <AugustusCaesar24> jenkins is cool!
[09:10] <AugustusCaesar24> thats very smart
[09:11] <bagira> it stops being cool the moment you get paid to use it
[09:11] <AugustusCaesar24> im currently just doing everything by hand
[09:11] <AugustusCaesar24> yeah youre right
[09:11] <AugustusCaesar24> im currently not on a job so everything is still cool and fun for me
[09:11] <AugustusCaesar24> i think once i start getting paid for it the fun will go away
[09:12] <bagira> i might recommend after you get a crude deployment job created for each environment that you then rewrite them to package your application using your target server's built in package manager format.  ubuntu is deb.
[09:12] <bagira> and then store the deb in a repository that those servers have access to
[09:12] <bagira> then you can use a configuration management tool like ansible to update, much cleaner
[09:19] <AugustusCaesar24> bagira thank you for telling me about jenkins
[09:19] <AugustusCaesar24> im gonna learn about it
[09:19] <bagira> np
[09:29] <sveinse> I have to give up for now and revert to 18.04 :( I have too much to do to struggle with display and gfx settings right now. I'll have to look at this later
[09:30] <bagira> what have you tried?
[09:31] <bagira> I believe AMD has a generic blob for those chipsets sveinse
[09:31] <sveinse> I've looked at the xorg logs to see if it at all detect my external screen. But it doesn't so I'm not sure what to do next
[09:31] <Ben64> i'd suggest sticking with LTS releases anyway
[09:32] <Ben64> but the xorg logs wouldn't necessarily be the right place to look for it
[09:32] <sveinse> I'm running nvidia drivers and prime-select tells me that it is using nvidia. Running nvidia was the solution to get 18.04 up IIRC
[09:34] <bagira> I'm sorry did you say you're running nvidia drivers for your AMD card?  O_0 I must be tired
[09:34] <sveinse> Who started talking about amd?
[09:35] <sveinse> so, yeah, you're probably tired :D
[09:36] <bagira> i have no idea why i thought you said you had an AMD card now.  please disregard.
[09:36] <sveinse> np
[09:40] <linuxperia> Hi all. I need to install AMD Vega 64 GPU Driver for Ubuntu 19.10 Server but AMD only Provides Driver for 18.04. How can i install the AMD Vega 64 GPU Driver on my Ubuntu 19.10 Server from official Repository ?
[09:42] <Ben64> linuxperia: those should be in the kernel now i'd think
[09:43] <bagira> there it is
[09:44] <linuxperia> Ben64: bagira: hmmm but when i do clinfo my card is not displayed. maybe somehow i removed it becouse when i first installed ubuntu it shoed the card now not anymore
[10:02] <linuxperia> strange. i just maked a query with clinfo but this time using sudo and it show my gpu card details now ! however why do i need to execute it as sudo ? all programms that need access the dies will need sudo access to for the gpu this is bad.
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> linuxperia: some commands need sudo, to show full info
[10:08] <linuxperia> ahh i found out what the problem is. when i dont use ssh then everything works. but when i use ssh and execute clinfo then it does not work. hmm some recomend that i use display export DISPLAY=:0
[10:12] <Apachez> it seems that google chrome and chromium casuses these logs:  "gnome-shell[1824]: [7040:1:1120/110852.723234:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(81)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response."  any hint on how to fix it (googling this doesnt really help because this is included in many logdumps)?
[10:14] <bagira> Apachez: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/content/child/child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc
[10:16] <Apachez> so does my ubuntu installation miss something for that to occur?
[10:16] <Apachez> or is it just that some page requests lets say "Verdana" and that isnt installed?
[10:16] <bagira> Apachez: no it's a benign error
[10:17] <Apachez> shitty logging entry too that doesnt tell me WHICH font it think is missing :(
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> !language | Apachez
[10:17] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: you are hurting my feelings
[10:24] <lalitmee> Anyone has a solution for this issue?  https://askubuntu.com/q/1118446/671649?stw=2
[11:11] <foophi> hi e1-need to test a laptop that just crashes running any os-can anyone recommend a tool to use from terminal to find hardware issues, it crashes during boot gui load or when alot of demand is put on it lol its old, so alot isnt much =)
[11:11] <foophi> sorry crashes during ubuntu D.E GUI
[11:12] <foophi> have booted in the past but crashed later on while loading fire fox and checking for updates
[11:14] <foophi> i know google yeilds results but would like to use something recent and linux based
[11:16] <OerHeks> start a live iso and do a memtest86 run for a start? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FaultyHardware
[11:35] <robertparkerx> how do I use :1,$s/^M//g in vi
[11:36] <foophi> please help me out re hardware fault testing tools (live cd or terminal
[11:38] <foophi> OerHeks, thanks i only just saw your reply
[11:45] <Pricey> robertparkerx: just enter those characters while in command mode.
[11:45] <Pricey> robertparkerx: Be really careful running commands you don't fully understand though.
[11:45] <Pricey> robertparkerx: That one looks like it goes to line 1 then replaces some control characters (been messing with windows/unix line endings?) with nothing, so deleting them.
[11:46] <Pricey> robertparkerx: If you don't know what "command mode" is, then I would recommend a vi tutorial first. (`vi filename`, then type those characters and hit enter, then type `:wq`)
[11:52] <robertparkerx> ok
[12:09] <omega_doom> hello. Can anyone help to solve a problem if nvidia opencl device has missed?
[12:09] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[12:10] <raddy> I am trying diagnose keypair authentication issues in ubuntu
[12:15] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[12:19] <omega_doom> How to check if a video driver is loaded?
[12:19] <omega_doom> Looks like i cannot access nvidia card.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> omega_doom,  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[12:23] <omega_doom> BluesKaj: thanks.
[12:23] <omega_doom> Kernel driver in use: i915
[12:23] <omega_doom> Kernel driver in use: i915
[12:23] <omega_doom> Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[12:24] <omega_doom> But opengl apps are crashing.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> omega_doom,  is this an Optimus equipped hybrid gpu laptop?, seems so
[12:26] <omega_doom> BluesKaj: Probably, yes.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> !optimus
[12:27] <BluesKaj> omega_doom, ^
[12:27] <OerHeks> maybe it helps to disable onboard intel, nvidia only, in your bios
[12:30] <KazDax> i am trying to use sudo
[12:31] <KazDax> i want to install inetsim
[12:31] <KazDax> how do i properly use sudo so i can do this
[12:31] <KazDax> echo .....
[12:31] <KazDax> etc etc
[12:31] <KazDax> su ?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> KazDax,  sudo apt install inetsim
[12:32] <KazDax> it says could not get a lock
[12:33] <KazDax> /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open
[12:33] <OerHeks> sofwarecenter open, and now terminal too?
[12:33] <OerHeks> use 1 instance, please.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> KazDax,  do you have your package manager open ?
[12:34] <KazDax> only the terminal is open
[12:34] <KazDax> no i never opened it since i booted up the machine
[12:34] <OerHeks> oh, then there are unattended updates running, i guess
[12:34] <OerHeks> hit the update icon and see
[12:35] <KazDax> ya
[12:35] <omega_doom> ubottu: i think i have nvidia-prime installed. I can switch between intel and nvidia. But i have crash if i run an opengl application.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> that usually runs in the background after booting up
[12:36] <KazDax> okay i will get the inetsim running...now i know what to do
[12:36] <KazDax> thanks alot
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hey OerHeks
[12:41] <KazDax> how do you setup a static ip address of an ubuntu machine ?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> KazDax,  there are several tutorials available if you search the 'net
[12:42] <OerHeks> KazDax, just edit network manager, your connection
[12:43] <OerHeks> or do this in your router; macfilter i think
[12:47] <Ben64> best to set it in the router, so it can avoid handing out something that would conflict
[12:50] <Malgorath> Anyone here ever get 2 nvidia cards(different models) working for 3 monitors? (non SLI)
[12:54] <OerHeks> Malgorath, you crosspost, and type different info in ##linux, why?
[12:55] <Malgorath> OerHeks, neither one has conflicting information I just wanted to be more generic in here as most people in here are more on the beginner side
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Malgorath,  uhm, you're mistaken
[12:57] <Malgorath> BluesKaj, I'm going from my experience, I have not taken a survey of knowledge here or there
[12:57] <OerHeks> so, what answers did you get in other channels?
[12:58] <Malgorath> OerHeks, I was told yes it will work and that's about the gist of it. I have no experience doing this I'm just trying to get my work PC to linux and 3 monitors without using the stupid USB video adapter I have currently.
[13:10] <Malgorath> OerHeks, ?
[13:17] <Malgorath> Ah nevermind OerHeks I see your only goal was to be abusive because you feel I shouldn't cross post even though since 1994 when I started on IRC it has never been an issue.
[13:28] <leftyfb> I've been on IRC since 1993. crossposting has always been frowned upon. On other networks, they would just kick/ban the person.
[13:44] <westor> any ETA when ubuntu 19.04 will be LTS ?
[13:45] <leftyfb> westor: that's not how LTS works
[13:45] <OerHeks> 19.04 is not *LTS*, 9 months support, so that would be januari
[13:45] <westor> how LTS works then ?
[13:46] <westor> so the 19.04 will never gonna be LTS ?
[13:46] <OerHeks> 18.04 is, and next 20.04
[13:46] <leftyfb> westor: 19.04 will be completely EOL come January. Every 2 years is an LTS release. 14.04, 16.04, 18.04, 20.04
[13:46] <westor> ah
[13:46] <westor> got it
[13:47] <leftyfb> westor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[13:47] <westor> so 20.04 is in development ?
[13:47] <leftyfb> westor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[13:47] <leftyfb> westor: yes
[13:47] <leftyfb> westor: they just released the development daily images yesterday I think
[13:47] <OerHeks> !fossa
[13:48] <rory> Sounds fiesty.
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> rory: these days devel versions get updates pushed pretty quickly, alot of 20.04 testers already, in #ubuntu+1 that is
[13:53] <rory> the next versions seems to open for development very soon after each release. I get the email, but I don't know what it means to be open for development.
[13:53] <Agneees> good morning
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> welcome Agneees
[13:58] <Agneees> I have an issue with firefox on ubuntu 18.04. when I open a lot of tabs (I'd say more than 8), firefox freezes. In this situation, the mouse pointer moves very slowly, but the click doesn't seem to work, the keyboard is unresponsive
[13:59] <Agneees> So I can't move to a different window, alt+F2 doesn't work. Sometimes after 10 min of efforts I manage to clic on my xterm, and kill firefox, but most of the time, I just end up doing a hard reboot
[14:00] <maharg101> how much ram have you got Agneees ?
[14:01] <Agneees> 3.7 Gio
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> thats a bit on the low side for gnome3 Agneees
[14:02] <OerHeks> at least more than 2 gb
[14:02] <OerHeks> it all depends what tabs you open..
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> 8GB ram and an ssd, very reccomended
[14:03] <Agneees> Oh. Didn't really know that. I got the laptop, and just ran ubuntu on it ;)
[14:03] <Agneees> so what version would be recommended without and ssd and with only 3.8 Gb?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> Agneees: there some things you can do to tweak gnome though..install preload, haveged,bleachbit, tweak startup items, tweak systemd services, disable animations
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> !flavours | Agneees
[14:04] <compdoc> I like ubuntu mate
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> Agneees: just not kubuntu with 4gb ram
[14:05] <KazDax> ya mate i like ubuntu too :P
[14:05] <compdoc> funny
[14:07] <Agneees> wow. I think I started in the linux world with Feisty Fox. Then moved on to arch, and got a windows touchscreen, so I didn't tweak that. I didn't realize the number of flavors had raised that much!! I remember having only ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu !!
[14:08] <KazDax> are touch screens really useful for a debugger and disassembler
[14:08] <KazDax> i mean would it help a reverser to get a touch screen
[14:08] <KazDax> i see it would be cool to make break points by touching code but that might not be the fastest way
[14:08] <KazDax> just sayin
[14:09] <Agneees> I thought I was going to use it as a tablet lol, I totally didn't! it was one of those flip screens
[14:10] <KazDax> ahh i see
[14:18] <friendlyguy> hi there! i am struggeling with some trivial problem here: name resolution. the system is using netplan and on the shell everything works fine. a tool that is supposed to send smtp fails to resolve the dns name of the smtp server though
[14:18] <friendlyguy> "getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution"
[14:18] <friendlyguy> if i use dig, or ping its resolved nicely though
[14:19] <friendlyguy> heck, even telnet to that system on port 25 works nice
[14:19]  * ryuo eavesdrops on friendlyguy's telnet.
[14:19] <ryuo> Oh cool! I got root!
[14:19] <ryuo> >.>
[14:20] <friendlyguy> i have a suspicion that its related to netplan and whats inside resolve.conf... but i might be wrong on that
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> friendlyguy: resolve.conf is not used with systems running systemd-resolved ... it is there only for legacy applications that look there for dns settings
[14:21] <ryuo> "legacy applications". ha. that's pretty much everything that isn't systemd aware.
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> ryuo: Let's focus on support, and less on critisms. That's why we have #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:24] <friendlyguy> :) i tried to add the mx dns name to /etc/hosts... but even that didnt help
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> friendlyguy: What would help is to know what version of Ubuntu you are running, what the name of this "smtp tool" is and what it's version is
[14:24] <compdoc> make sure you remove that hosts.hack
[14:25] <friendlyguy> already did
[14:25] <SleepyHollow> Hey guys can you help me again i'm trying to install software and I get an error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/trRVCmFkTf/
[14:25] <friendlyguy> since it didnt help i removed it right away
[14:25] <friendlyguy> os is Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[14:25] <mguy> friendlyguy: somtehing else has that file open
[14:25] <mguy> find out what it is
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> SleepyHollow: are you installing openvas from the official ubuntu repos?
[14:26] <friendlyguy> and the software is ossec 3.3.0 (https://www.ossec.net/)
[14:26] <friendlyguy> which file?
[14:27] <SleepyHollow> lotuspsychje: i did apt-get install openvas
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> friendlyguy: since ossec is not a software package provided in the Ubuntu respositories, I would suggest you reach out to the developer for support. I don't believe this is an Ubuntu issue or a netplan issue. I believe this is an issue with ossec and not being compatible with Ubuntu
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> SleepyHollow: wuch ubuntu version are you on?
[14:28] <SleepyHollow> 18.04
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> *wich
[14:29] <OerHeks> openvas (1:7.0.0-2) ?? not in our repos https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvas
[14:31] <legreffier> SleepyHollow: according to your pastebin , you just have another dpkg-related action going on.
[14:31] <legreffier> wait for it to finish to try it again
[14:34] <SleepyHollow> legreffier: i dont have any other software installing installing
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> SleepyHollow: It could also be one of the scheduled tasks updating apt in the background. Though it should be done by now, and safe to try installing again
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> SleepyHollow: tell us where you really got your openvas version from?
[14:34] <legreffier> SleepyHollow: maybe some update management stuff , or a stalled/crashed log file
[14:36] <SleepyHollow> give me a min
[14:39] <SleepyHollow> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mrazavi/gvm   https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-use-vulnerability-scanner-linux/?amp
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> SleepyHollow: as we dont support external ppa's we strongly reccomend installing packages from the ubuntu repos
[14:40] <SleepyHollow> alright ill purge it
[14:40] <SleepyHollow> thanx
[15:17] <cursory> does ubuntu 14 have php7 support?
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> cursory: are you paying for ESM?
[15:18] <cursory> no, just confirming that php7 is not available as a package in 14
[15:18] <cursory> was running into an issue with this vagrant stack erroring out and just realized it was using 14
[15:18] <cursory> and can't find the php7 packages it needs
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> cursory: well we cant support 14.04 anymore, as its end of life, im sorry
[15:20] <cursory> no worries, thank you
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> cursory: is this a server youre still on?
[15:21] <cursory> just a vm via vagrant
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> try to install a supported version from the topic, you can lookup their releasenotes to see wich php version they got
[15:23] <OerHeks> use a supported vagrant vm,..
[15:26] <omega_doom> hello. How can i enable intel opencl?
[15:27] <omega_doom> clinfo shows that my cpu has opencl 1.2 but when i try to use it then i get error. nvidia opencl works fine.
[15:29] <slipttees> hi guys
[15:29] <slipttees> i need help ethernet controller intel i217-V
[15:29] <OerHeks> OpenCL 1.2 is only possible on Ubuntu 14.04 (and you must downgrade the Linux kernel to 3.19) .. but 14.04 is EOL
[15:30] <slipttees> OerHeks https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4C5p2c4D89/
[15:31] <chillysurfer> what network service does ubuntu use out-of-the-box? it's not NetworkManager right?
[15:32] <omega_doom> OerHeks: Do you mean icd version?
[15:32] <OerHeks> current intel runtime works with opengl 2.1
[15:33] <OerHeks> so i have no clue howto do that older version
[15:33] <omega_doom> OerHeks: Yes, runtime is icd.
[15:35] <omega_doom> I also have 2.1 icd. But it should be possible to use opencl 1.2 even with runime 2.1.
[15:36] <omega_doom> clinfo shows that device supports opencl 1.2 but i cannot use it for some reason.
[15:39] <omega_doom> OerHeks: it is not old version.
[15:39] <slipttees> anyone help me work my ethernet controller intel I217-V?
[15:43] <slipttees> anyone help me work my ethernet controller intel I217-V?
[15:48] <ioria> slipttees, first,  try to disable WOL (Wake on Lan) from bios
[15:48] <slipttees> ioria i disable, no change
[15:48] <slipttees> kernel 4.15.0-70
[15:49] <ioria> slipttees, paste 'sudo lshw -C Network'
[15:51] <slipttees> update e1000e drive
[15:52] <slipttees> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hk2pGft9Ft/
[15:54] <slipttees> brb
[15:54] <ioria> slipttees, what yo umean with 'update e1000e drive ' ?
[15:54] <slipttees> i reboot now
[15:54] <slipttees> 3.5.1 e1000e
[15:54] <roger_padactor_w> so our genius devops team installed ubuntu server with a GUI, there are two processes running under a user that isn't logged in; xorg, floaters (screen saver) whats the best way to terminate these without effecting anything.
[15:55] <slipttees> Downloads/PRO1000/LINUX/e1000e-3.5.1/src$
[15:55] <slipttees> brb
[16:01] <omega_doom> look - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vYJ5tsnVBX/
[16:01] <omega_doom> but intel opencl doesn't work.
[16:14] <tomreyn> roger_padactor_w: is this ubuntu-mate then? the mate-screensaver package contains a screensaver named "floaters".
[16:15] <tomreyn> i guess if this screensaver is running you're probably also running a graphical desktop (in addition to the X server which may also be running when you have no graphical interface).
[16:16] <tomreyn> you could uninstall these packages, this would be the best approach, or you could switch to a non graphical systemd target, or you could manually kill the processes.
[16:17] <tomreyn> omega_doom: what's the command that "does not work", what'S the output it generates, how can you tell it does not work as it should?
[16:17] <roger_padactor_w> we told the dev ops to install ubuntu server I guess they installed ubuntu server with the gui.
[16:19] <tomreyn> roger_padactor_w: ubuntu server comes with no gui. but, yes, you can install additional packages, including a graphical desktop. maybe they started with an existing desktop image and tried to scale it down, removing the graphical user interfaces, but didn't do it completely (this is not easy to achieve).
[16:19] <lordcirth> roger_padactor_w, You should have a standard, automated way of installing Ubuntu Server in future, to reduce human error.
[16:19] <lordcirth> Isn't there a tasksel page during the install that lets you pick a desktop?
[16:20] <bynarie> hello
[16:20] <lordcirth> bynarie, hello
[16:20] <bynarie> how do i remove password restrictions.. i keep getting a message password in dictionary or something
[16:20] <roger_padactor_w> ok just found out they installed a GUI after the fact.
[16:20] <rory> ideally you should follow the advice and pick a better password bynarie
[16:21] <tomreyn> lordcirth: i don't think subiquity offers a desktop installation via tasksel, maybe d-i does.
[16:21] <bynarie> i want to bypass this.. anyone know how
[16:21] <lordcirth> bynarie, why do you want to bypass it?
[16:21] <rory> bynarie: "sudo su" and then "passwd" command can change password of a user
[16:21] <rory> bynarie: but you should pick a better password
[16:22] <bynarie> it still gives me the error, ive tried that but thank you
[16:22] <rory> what's the precise message you're getting?
[16:22] <lordcirth> bynarie, "apt install pwgen; pwgen -1"
[16:22] <bynarie> one sec
[16:23] <bynarie> BAD PASSWORD: it is based on a dictionary word
[16:23] <tomreyn> libpam-cracklib
[16:23] <rory> this is a bad idea but you can remove the word "obscure" from /etc/pam.d/common-password
[16:23] <lordcirth> bynarie, ok, so follow the warning and use a decent password.
[16:25] <bynarie> rory, that word is not in there
[16:25] <bynarie> ill keep working on it.. thanks for the advice
[16:26] <roger_padactor_w> need to uninstall xrdp and all the crap it installed with it. what is the best way to do this?
[16:26] <tomreyn> bynarie: if this is a system you manage (root access) and weakening its security profile is something you are allowed to do, uninstalling cracklib is an option. but this puts all the responsibility on your. and you should not do so on a system that will allow login to this account with passwords from the network, definitely not from the internet.
[16:26] <lordcirth> roger_padactor_w, apt autoremove xrdp
[16:26] <bynarie> its literally a practice VM on my local pc lol
[16:27] <bynarie> i dont need a secure password
[16:27] <tomreyn> roger_padactor_w: there's no simple way to remove anything that's graphical / desktop related. it's best to start with a clean server installation.
[16:27] <omega_doom> tomreyn: i will debug what is going ion wrong. But for now nvidia opencl 1.2 works fine.
[16:27] <tomreyn> very well then
[16:28] <tomreyn> bynarie: how did you install it? which ubuntu version is it?
[16:28] <lordcirth> roger_padactor_w, given it's an enterprise environment, it is best to reinstall and tell them not to mess it up this time.
[16:28] <lordcirth> (more politely than that)
[16:31] <slipttees> ioria no work :-(
[16:31] <slipttees> try update e1000e drive from intel website.
[16:32] <ioria> slipttees, grep again dmesg
[16:33] <slipttees> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k5sYbRTgqw/
[16:33] <ioria> slipttees, export LC_ALL=C ; sudo lshw -C Network
[16:34] <slipttees> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vqR6m3qXqW/
[16:35] <tomreyn> ioria: would LTSE maybe fix this?
[16:36] <ioria> tomreyn, no idea, but go ahead
[16:36] <tomreyn> !ltse | slipttees
[16:36] <ioria> slipttees, did you get any errors building the module ?
[16:36] <slipttees> any error
[16:36] <compdoc> slipttees, sorry I havent been following, but unclaimed means no driver. It might be trying to load the wrong driver, and sometimes you can blacklist the wrong driver so that it loads the correct one
[16:37] <ioria> compdoc, the default one wasnt 'working, so he built one from the Intel website
[16:37] <ioria> slipttees, yes or no ?
[16:37] <tomreyn> slipttees: your easiest solution may be to just try a newer kernel version. but those are only available on LTS releases. which ubuntu version are oyu running there?
[16:37] <tomreyn> looks like 18.04?
[16:37] <slipttees> yes. i try this. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/22283/Intel-Ethernet-Adapter-Complete-Driver-Pack?product=70831
[16:38] <slipttees> tomreyn no. 16.04.5
[16:38] <slipttees> fresh install
[16:38] <compdoc> you can upgrade the kernel to 5.x on 18.04 if its not already
[16:38] <compdoc> oh
[16:38] <slipttees> 4.15.0-70
[16:38] <compdoc> why 16.04?\
[16:39] <slipttees> i can upgrade manual kernel for last 18.04
[16:39] <ioria> slipttees,  sy to repeat myself; did you get errors building the module ?
[16:39] <slipttees> compdoc still have updates and have system work on this version..
[16:40] <slipttees> ioria No erros
[16:40] <ioria> ok
[16:41] <ioria> slipttees,  modinfo e1000e
[16:41] <croraf_> Hi. I bought this laptop and my builtin microphone is not working on Ubuntu https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/omen-by-hp-17-cb0000-laptop-pc/26122176/model/29770675/document/c06411586
[16:41] <croraf_> The microphone is "HP Wide Vision HD Camera with integrated dual array digital microphone"
[16:42] <bynarie> nice pc!
[16:42] <croraf_> What can I do, and who is responsible it is not working (HP laptop manufacturer, HP microphone manufacturer, Ubuntu, Linux....)
[16:42] <slipttees> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m4njKZxRGF/
[16:42] <croraf_> WHere should I file a bug
[16:42] <lordcirth> croraf_, what version of Ubuntu?
[16:42] <croraf_> bynarie: thanks man
[16:42] <croraf_> 19.10
[16:43] <lordcirth> croraf_, and you have done all updates? Can you pastebin the output of "lspci"?
[16:43] <lordcirth> !paste
[16:43] <bynarie> croraf_, for sure.. hows the cpu speed? unfortunately i dont have an answer
[16:43] <ioria> slipttees, sudo modprobe -r e1000e && sudo modprobe -v e1000e
[16:44] <croraf_> lordcirth: https://termbin.com/r8kx
[16:45] <slipttees> ioria insmod /lib/modules/4.15.0-70-generic/kernel/drivers/pps/pps_core.ko insmod /lib/modules/4.15.0-70-generic/kernel/drivers/ptp/ptp.ko insmod /lib/modules/4.15.0-70-generic/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
[16:45] <croraf_> bynarie: it is flying, but dont know exact metrics, on ubuntu the glmark2 is not as expected, but this is probably the wrong benchmark
[16:45] <croraf_> on windows10 all performance show as expected
[16:45] <lordcirth> croraf_, 'lsmod | grep snd', anything loaded?
[16:45] <ioria> slipttees,  dmesg | tail | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:46] <croraf_> lordcirth: https://termbin.com/i5s4
[16:46] <akk> croraf_: Have you googled ubuntu OR linux and your model? I know on my lenovo, the mic doesn't work without kernel changes, but there's hope that it might work in the next ubuntu version.
[16:46] <slipttees> ioria https://termbin.com/hocu
[16:47] <croraf_> my old lenovo was working fluently on Ubuntu 18.04 :)
[16:47] <akk> croraf_: Googling for my model finds lots of discussions of the problem and the (very complicated) workaround.
[16:47] <croraf_> this new HP disaster
[16:47] <bynarie> nice
[16:47] <ioria> slipttees,  ever worked that card on linux ?
[16:47] <bynarie> nah ull get it working
[16:47] <akk> croraf_: Apparently some of the new intel chipsets aren't properly supported by current ubuntus, the kernel config needs to be changed.
[16:47] <croraf_> thx for kind words bynarie
[16:47] <slipttees> No. lol
[16:48] <croraf_> akk: so it is basically ubuntus responsibility to fix this?
[16:48] <akk> I confess I don't entirely grok the details of the problem, I looked at the 15-or-so-step workaround instructions and decided it was easier to buy a microphone.
[16:48] <slipttees> Windows work
[16:48] <croraf_> so I fill bug on ubuntu, and they hopefully address on 18.04.4 or 20.04
[16:48] <croraf_> akk: yes I will probably buy microphone
[16:49] <ioria> slipttees,  lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:49] <akk> croraf_: Basically. The kernel folks have incorporated the fix, and it's in the kernel ubuntu is currently shipping, but ubuntu hasn't incorporated the configuration changes.
[16:49] <croraf_> I have Marshall headphones, a gift, but also mic not working on Ubuntu :D
[16:49] <bynarie> croraf_, your welcome.. i always stick with the LTS version. not that that will solve your problem, just saying
[16:49] <bynarie> =]
[16:49] <slipttees> ioria https://termbin.com/hocu
[16:49] <akk> croraf_: But of course, I don't know that your HP's mic is the same issue as my Lenovo's.
[16:49] <slipttees> ioria https://termbin.com/6xrh
[16:50] <croraf_> The laptop has 2 jacks, 1 for output/input 1 for input, but when I input my Marshall intou output/input the mic not working
[16:50] <croraf_> thankfully it is a bluetooth, but also hard to connect :(
[16:50] <croraf_> SO million sound issues
[16:50] <croraf_> I'm afraid to buy expensive keyboard, that might not work at the end :(
[16:51] <croraf_> or mouse, or anything :( :( :(
[16:51] <ioria> slipttees, it's a dual boot with windows ?
[16:51] <croraf_> what is funny, the camera which has integrated mic works ok :D
[16:51] <slipttees> no more. Kill windows :-)
[16:51] <slipttees> ndiswrapper?
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> !hardware | croraf_
[16:52] <akk> croraf_: I ordered a mic for mine, and then discovered that it can only use mics with the 4-conductor plug like integrated headset/mics
[16:52] <croraf_> pragmaticenigma: thanks
[16:52] <akk> croraf_: so I ordered an adapter plug, but the mic doesn't work through that either, so probably I'm not the one to give advice. :)
[16:52] <croraf_> akk disaster :(
[16:53] <akk> croraf_: I did discover that the earbud/mic that came with my samsung phone works fine, though, so if I really need a mic (which I seldom do) I can use that.
[16:53] <bynarie> croraf_, time to find a better OS
[16:53] <bynarie> haha
[16:53] <bynarie> jk
[16:53] <croraf_> 20.04 *_*
[16:53] <ioria> slipttees,  i think you can cd in the src directory and sudo make uninstall; then remove and relaod the stock module
[16:55] <slipttees> ioria done
[16:56] <ioria> slipttees,  modinfo e1000e | grep version
[16:57] <slipttees> no module found
[16:57] <ioria> slipttees,
[16:57] <ioria> slipttees, sudo modprobe -r e1000e && sudo modprobe e1000e
[16:58] <slipttees> not found
[16:58] <slipttees> modprobe: FATAL: Module e1000e not found.
[16:58] <ioria> slipttees,  modinfo e1000e
[16:59] <slipttees> modinfo e1000emodinfo: ERROR: Module e1000e not found.
[16:59] <ioria> that thing removed the original module
[16:59] <slipttees> sudo make unistall in src directory
[16:59] <ioria> slipttees,  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic
[16:59] <slipttees> intel e1000e module
[17:00] <SleepyHollow90> hey guys im having this problem now any idea how to fix it? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z9rHG4zV3x/
[17:01] <OerHeks> SleepyHollow90, run sudo apt update # as some unattended updates seems to be holding apt
[17:02] <OerHeks> else see the #openvas channel?
[17:03] <SleepyHollow90> OerHeks: it didnt fix the apt upgrade so want me to go to #openvas?
[17:03] <OerHeks> try update, not upgrade, and see
[17:03] <JaredCE> hey all, i'm using Docker to build a ubuntu:bionic container, when i do a: RUN apt-get update && apt-get -qq install openssl,  then a RUN ld -lssl --verbose, it fails to open any libssl.so files
[17:04] <OerHeks> openvas (1:7.0.0-2) anyway, we told you that the openvas (1:7.0.0-2)  is not on our repos. so no support
[17:04] <SleepyHollow90> yea the update works but not the upgrade
[17:04] <dStruct> hey all, did something weird happen to dns in the last few release updates?  I'm having major issues all of a sudden with LTS 18.04.3 relating to DNS and an IKEv2 VPN
[17:05] <OerHeks> so, install openvas from our repos, that would be v9
[17:05] <SleepyHollow90> it wont install i get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:06] <tomreyn> chances are that's for the same reason "/var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process"
[17:07] <SleepyHollow90> tomreyn: how do I unlock it? I dont have anything else running.
[17:07] <OerHeks> sudo fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[17:07] <OerHeks> Will show you what process is holding the lock:
[17:07] <SleepyHollow90> htop?
[17:07] <OerHeks> sudo kill PID # and it should be gone
[17:10] <bynarie> anyone in here got a LFCS cert? just wondering if any good
[17:12] <OerHeks> bynarie, that is beyound the topic of this channel, try ##linux ?
[17:13] <slipttees> ioria back
[17:14] <slipttees> sorry... lost wifi connection
[17:14] <ioria> slipttees,  modinfo e1000e
[17:14] <SleepyHollow90> 9 is kill right
[17:14] <slipttees> reinstall kernel
[17:14] <ioria> yep
[17:15] <slipttees> reboot again
[17:19] <SleepyHollow90> it seemed to fix it thanks guys am i going to have to do that every time i reboot?
[17:19] <OerHeks> dunno, that openvas is old..
[17:20] <slipttees> modinfo e1000efilename:       /lib/modules/4.15.0-70-generic/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.koversion:        3.2.6-k
[17:20] <slipttees> ioria
[17:21] <ioria> good
[17:21] <SleepyHollow90> whos a admin on here?
[17:21] <ioria> slipttees, sudo modprobe -r e1000e && sudo modprobe e1000e | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:22] <slipttees> no term output
[17:22] <slipttees> termbin
[17:22] <OerHeks> SleepyHollow90, why ? if you have issues with spam or something like that, join #ubuntu-ops please
[17:23] <SleepyHollow90> OerKeks: no its just about my login name thats all
[17:23] <ioria> slipttees, sudo lshw -C Network | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:24] <OerHeks> SleepyHollow90, oh oke, then #freenode is the pace to be
[17:24] <OerHeks> c/place
[17:24] <slipttees> https://termbin.com/7wej
[17:25] <SleepyHollow90> OerHeks: so the ch is #freenode
[17:25] <ioria> slipttees, can we try another kernel ?
[17:25] <OerHeks> yes, for account Q/A
[17:25] <SleepyHollow90> OerHeks: ok thank you :)
[17:26] <slipttees> ioria try install 18.04 kernel
[17:26] <ioria> slipttees, you already have that
[17:27] <ioria> slipttees, you have 4.15.0.70, i would try   5.0.0-36 or even 5.3.0-23
[17:27] <slipttees> okay
[17:28] <ioria> slipttees, is this possible or you need for some reason  4.15.x ?
[17:29] <slipttees> last kernel on 16.04.5
[17:29] <ioria> slipttees, 16.04  ?  cat /etc/issue
[17:29] <OerHeks> !info linux-firmware
[17:30] <ioria> slipttees, are you on xenial ?
[17:30] <slipttees>  cat /etc/issueUbuntu 16.04.6 LTS \n \l
[17:31] <ioria> slipttees, i was sure you were on 18.04 bionic
[17:31] <ioria> slipttees, you can't upgrade the kernel (at least from the official repo)
[17:32] <slipttees> kernel.org stable
[17:32] <ioria> slipttees, i can't recommend that
[17:33] <slipttees> only test
[17:33] <tomreyn> !mainline
[17:33] <Crell> Hi folks. I upgraded from 19.04 to 19.10 recently. Almost everything went smoothly, but I am now getting periodic lockups.  The whole system just freezes.  It can last anywhere from a few seconds to seemingly permanent.  It doesn't matter what application I have running or am using, it happens seemingly random.  The longer the machine has been running the more likely it is to happen.  Has anyone seen an issue like this? Any suggestions on debugging it?
[17:34] <tomreyn> Crell: see what's logged during boot, as well as during these freeze periods. journalctl -b
[17:35] <ioria> slipttees, what you can safely do, is burn a 18.04.3 iso and test it live
[17:35] <ioria> brb
[17:35] <slipttees> okay i will try both
[17:35] <Crell> tomreyn: Hm, a whole lot of output there.  I'll have to try it after the next time it locks on me.  What am I looking for, exactly?
[17:36] <Crell> By far the most common entry appears to be APPARMOR denying things, mostly to Discord or Slack.
[17:36] <tomreyn> Crell: hard to tell. if the kernel becomes inoperable for a while it should state so after the fact.
[17:37] <tomreyn> those apparmor denies wont be the cause
[17:37] <Crell> So just wait for a freeze up, run journalctl, skip to the end, and look for red things?
[17:37] <slipttees> tomreyn thanks
[17:37] <Crell> Didn't think so; it's weird that it's so frequent, though.  Like, a hundred times per second!
[17:37] <Crell> What does Discord thing it's doing?
[17:37] <tomreyn> Crell: you can just run    journalctl -f   in a temrinal window and keep it running
[17:38] <Crell> Ah, even better.  And yeah, Discord keeps getting denied for ptrace, like, dozens of times a second.  It's drowning out anything else.
[17:38] <tomreyn> Crell: 100s of apparmor messages per second sounds wrong, yes, you should investigate this.
[17:39] <tomreyn> but this should still not cause the entire system to freeze
[17:42] <slipttees> ioria upgrade kernel. Not work :-(
[17:42] <slipttees> 5.3.11-050311-generic #201911121635 SMP Tue Nov 12 21:37:23 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:43] <slipttees> same e1000e version:  3.2.6-k
[17:44] <compdoc> slipttee, in the logs, does it show trying to load that driver?
[17:44] <Crell> tomreyn: Looks like it's a known issue with the Snap/Discord package.  It tries to scan other running apps rather aggressively for "now playing" and such, and the default config tells it no, so it keeps asking.  No one seems able to fix it other than upstream Discord devs; I'm just finding workarounds. :-/
[17:45] <OerHeks> this mint post gives something extra ..
[17:45] <OerHeks> sudo rmmod e1000e  && sudo modprobe e1000e EEE=0
[17:46] <OerHeks> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=292357
[17:46] <OerHeks> mind the EEE=0
[17:47] <tomreyn> Crell: i don't do snap support, so cant help there.
[17:47] <slipttees> Intel Ethernet Controller I217-V
[17:48] <slipttees> OerHeks https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VNRBD8Rgvb/
[17:48] <slipttees> same error
[17:49] <FailBacon> hello
[17:50] <OerHeks> slipttees, i have no clue then to hellp you, does a live session work with that e1000e?
[17:50] <slipttees> acpi_sci=low what do you do?
[17:51] <FailBacon> can someone maybe help me
[17:51] <OerHeks> acpi_sci=low ?? as boot option?
[17:51] <slipttees> Yes. See something in bugzilla
[17:52] <tomreyn> !ask | FailBacon
[17:52] <OerHeks> don't know about that command
[17:52] <FailBacon> !patience
[17:52] <FailBacon> ok will do
[17:52] <FailBacon> Hello im trying to dualboot kubuntu with windows 7 im pretty new to this where do i need to install the boot loader in?
[17:52] <slipttees> OerHeks https://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_kernel/kernel_configuration/re73.html
[17:53] <mintux> Hi i have a pc that it doesn't have internet and i have a local server with internet connection that i want to make ftp connection from my pc through local server to FTP server. how can i do that? maybe port forward or something like that on local server. i draw it here: https://i.imgur.com/bJ86F7L.jpg
[17:53] <slipttees> brb. meeting
[18:00] <slipttees> back...
[18:00] <slipttees> i try acpi_sci=low
[18:05] <ioria> slipttees, have you tried the 18.04.3 iso ?
[18:06] <OerHeks> i guess it works fine in a live session
[18:13] <webstrand> I need the /usr/bin/sendmail binary, and ubuntu suggests a whole bunch of different packages. Any recommendations? I just need to send mail to an email address, and nothing else.
[18:13] <slipttees> still won't work :-)
[18:14] <ioria> slipttees, have you tried the 18.04.3 iso ?
[18:14] <slipttees> Nope yet
[18:14] <slipttees> uname -aLinux 23142332-lei34 5.3.11-050311-generic #201911121635 SMP Tue Nov 12 21:37:23 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:15] <ioria> slipttees, try to set  pcie_aspm=off  as kernel parameter
[18:17] <slipttees> back other pc
[18:17] <rbasak> webstrand: where are you sending from? Do you have an SMTP server available to avoid issues being filtered as spam?
[18:17] <slipttees> rsrs
[18:18] <slipttees> ioria same error
[18:19] <webstrand> rbasak: Nope, no SMTP server available. I'm sending logging messages from a server to my own email. I'm leaning toward exim or postfix. I don't want to deal with m4
[18:19] <rbasak> webstrand: then I'd advise exim or postfix. Those two are in main and have security support from Canonical
[18:20] <rbasak> I use exim with a minimal configuration I wrote just for getting messages sent to root redirected to an email address and nothing else
[18:21] <webstrand> rbasak: great, thanks, I'll look into exim
[18:21] <ioria> slipttees, try the 18.04.3 in live mode
[18:21] <slipttees> https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/
[18:22] <rbasak> webstrand: here's what I use: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/THrTSYqGQR/
[18:23] <rbasak> webstrand: all local mail gets redirected to myself@example.com (note lines 22, 23, 29)
[18:23] <rbasak> webstrand: that's with the exim4-daemon-light package
[18:24] <croraf_> lordcirth:
[18:24] <croraf_> you have any idea whats going on with my mic
[18:25] <lordcirth> croraf_, no, sorry. Most likely a kernel update will fix it eventually.
[18:25] <croraf_> thx
[18:25] <webstrand> rbasak: it looks like I can use `catchall:` instead of `system_mail:` to redirect all email, regardless of destination, to my own email?
[18:26] <rbasak> webstrand: IIRC, that's what my configuration already does
[18:26] <rbasak> webstrand: and the name of the router is arbitrary and doesn't affect exim's behaviour - it's just a label
[18:26] <webstrand> rbasak: then it's perfect, thanks
[18:28] <rbasak> Ah, I said the opposite earlier, sorry.
[18:28] <rbasak> I had forgotten exactly what I'd done and hadn't looked at my configuration again at that point.
[18:37] <ioria> slipttees, and maybe update your BIOS too
[19:00] <slipttees> ioria try last e1000e driver 3.6.0 same error
[19:01] <slipttees> PCI INT A: Failed to register GSI
[19:01] <ioria> slipttees, did you burn a 18.04.3 iso ?
[19:01] <slipttees> No. Download...
[19:02] <ioria> slipttees, i think might be a bios/hw problem
[19:02] <slipttees> Windows work ethernet
[19:02] <slipttees> rsrs
[19:03] <slipttees> check manufacture website doesnt have bios update
[19:06] <ioria> slipttees, then (when you have burned the iso), you can try a full power cycle
[19:06] <ioria> slipttees,  maybe reseat the card too
[19:06] <linux_dr_arcules> I come and go in the Ubuntu ecosystem, so I'm not exactly a noob, but why are there two Thunderbird applications in the snap store? Which one is which?
[19:07] <slipttees> ioria https://pasteboard.co/IHBmoQ9.jpg
[19:07] <slipttees> Windows 10 Live
[19:08] <ioria> slipttees,  i know, but this is linux
[19:08] <slipttees> hw is ok
[19:09] <ioria> slipttees,  the problem here is probably the interrupt
[19:09] <slipttees> yes
[19:10] <ioria> slipttees,  so something in between  hw/sw/firmware
[19:14] <slipttees> :-(
[19:17] <linux_dr_arcules> I'm seeing "Thunderbird Mail 1:60.9.0+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1" and "Thunderbird 60.3.0" and am somewhat confused why there are both there. The first one appears to have a higher version number, but unsure if it's a stable build. Any advice?
[19:20] <ioria> linux_dr_arcules, the second is the  snap  version
[19:21] <leftyfb> linux_dr_arcules: there aren't. The snap repo has 60.3.0. The apt repo on Ubuntu 18.04 has 68.2.1+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1. I'm going to assume your version of ubuntu is older, maybe 16.04.
[19:22] <OerHeks> 1 snap and one deb package, https://snapcraft.io/thunderbird gives an 'edge' 68 version too
[19:22] <linux_dr_arcules> leftyfb, I'm on Bionic
[19:22] <ioria> !info thunderbird bionic
[19:23] <leftyfb> linux_dr_arcules: ah right, I have the proposed repo enabled
[19:23] <slipttees> ioria https://www.feeditout.com/debian-sid-217-v-not-working/ i will try
[19:23] <ioria> linux_dr_arcules, you have the correct one ; 68 is in proposed
[19:24] <linux_dr_arcules> So, just uninstall the snap version?
[19:24] <ioria> slipttees,  you said you are not dual boot
[19:25] <slipttees> ioria live windows 10 rsrs
[19:25] <slipttees> usb stick
[19:25] <ioria> slipttees,  not clear to me, but ok
[19:26] <slipttees> only test ethernet hw is ok
[19:26] <slipttees> back linux...
[19:26] <ioria> slipttees,  and that link refers to a dual boot issue
[19:26] <slipttees> humm
[19:27] <ioria> slipttees,  'Rebooting from windows into Linux renders the NIC unusable.' , but maybe it's the same with the live usb, idk
[19:27] <slipttees> i only try all option to fix this
[19:28] <ioria> i see
[19:35] <ioria> slipttees,  you could have tested that script with a power cycle, btw
[19:51] <samlamamma> Running Kubuntu 19.04. Updated to nvidia-driver-440. nvidia-smi returns reasonable output on TTY (recognises driver version and GPU correctly). Login screen appears but when I login the whole screen locks up. Does anyone know what options I have? Rolling back is one
[19:52] <samlamamma> Hm, driver was 440.26 (this was the recommended driver in ubuntu-drivers) which is beta, so probably this is a bad idea.
[19:55] <samlamamma> Well crap. Using 430.50 and it's still borked on login :-/
[19:56] <slipttees> ioria try live 18.04.3
[19:56] <ioria> ok
[19:57] <slipttees> same problem
[19:57] <slipttees> rsrs
[19:59] <slipttees> script doens work PCIPATH command failed
[20:01] <ioria> slipttees,  poweroff the pc , turn off the switch and unplug the cable ; press the start  button for a minute; replug and turn on
[20:02] <slipttees> ioria ok
[20:03] <samlamamma> Jesus, trying recovery mode
[20:03] <ioria> slipttees,  you can also disable the nic in bios and renable it
[20:04] <slipttees> i will try
[20:05] <xSlendiX> Hello everyone. I am using Ubuntu 19.04 and I have a problem with my SD Card reader from Realtek
[20:06] <xSlendiX> I have tried sudo apt-get install --reinstall udisks2 and rebooted but it seems it doesn't do the trick
[20:06] <xSlendiX> and ideas on how to fix this issue?
[20:07] <samlamamma> xSlendiX: What is the issue?
[20:07] <xSlendiX> When i insert the SD Card into my laptop, it isn't detected by balena etcher. I have checked disks but still nothing
[20:08] <sarnold> does dmesg show it?
[20:08] <xSlendiX> doesn't seem so
[20:08] <xSlendiX> no
[20:09] <samlamamma> Alright. I've botched my system, gonna go do the recycling instead.
[20:10] <OerHeks> xSlendiX, what filesystem is on it? or what cardreader and how big is that sdcard?
[20:10] <xSlendiX> It's a micro sd adapter
[20:10] <sarnold> xSlendiX: did this thing work previously?
[20:10] <xSlendiX> yes
[20:11] <akk> xSlendiX: I assume you've tried a couple times? I find occasionally usb sticks and SD readers don't show up, and I have to unplug/replug.
[20:12] <OerHeks> usb2 or usb3 port ( blue) ??
[20:12] <xSlendiX> None. I use a realtek sd card reader
[20:12] <xSlendiX> Full dmesg output: https://pastebin.com/bxBHA3kp Might be helpful
[20:15] <akk> Looks like it's not seeing anything at all, rather than seeing a device and not handling it right
[20:15] <akk> which is what I see in the "randomly doesn't show up" problem.
[20:17] <OerHeks> nothing to see about a sd card .. but your bios: LENOVO 20354/Lancer 5A5, BIOS 9BCN26WW 07/31/2014  gives an update https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/nl/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-z-series-laptops/lenovo-z50-70/downloads/DS100528
[20:18] <xSlendiX> only windows is available
[20:19] <afidegnum> if i m in /this/current/directiry    what files will be affected by rm *.* ? files in the current directory or parent directory included?
[20:19] <OerHeks> yeah, lenovo wants a windows install, or maybe your bios can handle live update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate
[20:20] <OerHeks> afidegnum, only working directory
[20:20] <afidegnum> ok, thanks
[20:20] <akk> At least some recent lenovos can install bios updates from Linux.
[20:21] <akk> (but sadly, not for device firmware updates; I've spent the last 4 hours working toward finding a way to install a lenovo trackpad firmware update, still working on it ...)
[20:22] <OerHeks> maybe a freedos environment?
[20:23] <sarnold> xSlendiX: fwupd can speak lenovo updates
[20:24] <akk> OerHeks: I wondered about that, but I assume installers all have guis now; can freedos handle that?
[20:24] <Stevwills> does ubuntu have cock and ball torture options in kernel
[20:24] <samlamamma> Stevwills: Emacs has a major mode for that
[20:24] <sarnold> Stevwills: that's bluetooth support, right?
[20:24] <OerHeks> !ot | Stevwills
[20:25] <Stevwills> ill be investigating that thanks
[20:25] <xSlendiX> i tried installing the drivers from realtek directly but they won't compile
[20:25] <OerHeks> keep this channel family friendly, thanks
[20:26] <xSlendiX> it's a meme going around the internet what Stevwills said
[20:26] <dax> they can meme elsewhere, we're all boring support talk
[20:26] <xSlendiX> anyways, so any ideas on what to do?
[20:27] <OerHeks> why a driver? how did you tell the cardreader is not recognized?
[20:27] <sarnold> [    0.293207] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged
[20:27] <sarnold> xSlendiX: do you have rasdaemon kind of thing installed that'll tell you what this error is?
[20:28] <xSlendiX> no
[20:28] <xSlendiX> i don't think so
[20:28] <ioria> xSlendiX, would be easier using an usb adapter
[20:29] <xSlendiX> Yeah the problem is that I don't even have one
[20:29] <ioria> buy one, please
[20:29] <sarnold> xSlendiX: apt install rasdaemon, then ras-mc-ctl --errors to see if it reports anything
[20:29] <xSlendiX> alright one second
[20:30] <ioria> that stuff is higly proprietary
[20:31] <xSlendiX> DBD::SQLite::db prepare failed: no such table: mc_event at /usr/sbin/ras-mc-ctl line 1137.
[20:31] <sarnold> o_O
[20:32] <xSlendiX> Got it working. This is the output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gjfGHb9ZJH/
[20:37] <xSlendiX> not the sd card
[20:37] <xSlendiX> the command
[20:45] <sarnold> xSlendiX: well, hmm. I wish i knew if that was cause for even more concern or not. oh well... so my next guess is to try fwupdmgr to install firmware updates, reboot, and try again; if that doesn't do it, then I'm not sure what the next step would be
[20:46] <xSlendiX> Failed to connect to daemon: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.fwupd: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.fwupd': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
[20:46] <Crell> tomreyn: OK, I just had another momentary freeze.  This one was short.  The recent journalctl output is here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zFFsDCgk4N/
[20:46] <Crell> And as I was typing this I had another, briefer freeze, which had NO new journalctl output.
[20:47] <OerHeks>  temperature above threshold... dirty fan ?
[20:51] <sarnold> xSlendiX: oof :( there's just a crazy never-ending supply of "what?" here, heh ;(
[20:53] <Crell> OerHeks: Not impossible, but it's a Thinkpad X1 Carbon.  They tend to run hot.
[20:55] <samlamamma> Crell: I limited my CPU frequency manually because it ran too hot w/ Intel's "turbo" mode on
[20:57] <tiox> What happened between last year and the last six months which broke installation of libpng12-0?
[20:58] <tiox> I was able to install libpng12-0:i386 in Ubuntu wirthout having to do wacky equivs workarounds but not today, that's fo'sho.
[20:59] <OerHeks> libpng v1.2 will likely never return to the repos... it has been superseded by libpng v1.6
[21:07] <Crell> Aaaand there was a total lockup that required a reboot.
[21:08] <Crell> OerHeks: Did you or anyone else say something to me after I said it was a Thinkpad?  I wouldn't have gotten it.
[21:28] <davu> Crell, only this which might be important: <samlamamma> Crell: I limited my CPU frequency manually because it ran too hot w/ Intel's "turbo" mode on
[21:34] <jamie_1> hey, how do i turn off palm rejection?
[21:35] <jamie_1> while gaming if i use the keyboard i cannot use the mouse
[21:47] <ajvermillion> Hey guys, I just upgraded
[21:47] <gordonjcp> hello, I've got Ubuntu 19.10 installed, and it's given me the option to sign into Google, and indeed I can mount Google Drive
[21:47] <gordonjcp> how do I actually get at the files?
[21:48] <gordonjcp> do I need to copy them down locally before I can do anything with them?
[21:48] <gordonjcp> and if so, how do I actually do that?
[21:48] <ajvermillion> ... my 16.04 install yesterday, ans it looks like I may have a corrupt BIOS now, is anyone aware of this problem?
[21:48] <gordonjcp> ajvermillion: "corrupt BIOS"?  What exactly do you mean?
[21:48] <ajvermillion> I apologize for any typing errors, for obvious reasons, I am using my phone now instead of my laptop
[21:49] <compdoc> ajvermillion, meaning you cant access the bios, or what?
[21:49] <ajvermillion> Numerous BIOS problems that seem similar to problems I found reported in Jan 2019
[21:49] <ajvermillion> No, it opens and I can run all diagnostics (on my Thinkpad x270)
[21:50] <ajvermillion> They all pass, but will _USUALLY_ hang if I press any keys while they run
[21:50] <ajvermillion> (This is not intended behavior)
[21:50] <ajvermillion> I wouldn't attribute this to the upgrade if not for reports of a 17.?? install messing with bios
[21:51] <gordonjcp> so if I've mounted my Google Drive in the Ubuntu desktop, where is that actually mounted *to*?
[21:51] <ajvermillion> I assume from your response this is not a problem amyone else has had?
[21:51] <gordonjcp> ajvermillion: sounds like you have hardware issues
[21:52] <ajvermillion> I would be on that train of thought if the issues had manifest at any other time than IMMEDIATELY after the restart followong the update
[21:53] <ajvermillion> I'm not really looking to ask for help or fo complain, just trying to feel around for whether they're actually connected or not
[21:53] <ajvermillion> And warn in case they are
[21:54] <gordonjcp> this is pretty frustrating
[21:54] <akk> gordonjcp: I don't mount google drive, guess no one else here does either, and I couldn't find anything specific to 19.04, but does this older page help? https://vitux.com/how-to-access-your-google-drive-account-in-ubuntu/
[21:54] <gordonjcp> akk: not really, I could already do that
[21:55] <gordonjcp> akk: there's a nice pointy-clicky thing that looks like it ought to all Just Work, but the files aren't mounted anywhere
[21:55] <gordonjcp> akk: also, it appears that I can't drag them out of the file manager window, they just spring back
[21:56] <akk> If it doesn't show up in the file manager the way that page describes, I guess I'd try mount | grep google
[21:56] <gordonjcp> akk: yup, it's not there, that's the first thing I tried
[21:56] <akk> and if that didn't list anything, then just mount and go through all the (ridiculously too long) list line by line.
[21:56] <gordonjcp> akk: yes, that's the second thing I tried
[21:56] <gordonjcp> it is not listed *at all* in the output of mount
[21:57] <gordonjcp> so, I'm not sure what it's doing
[21:57] <akk> gordonjcp: That page I found says it's not mounted by default, you have to mount it explicitly in the file manager, so maybe that's the issue.
[21:57] <gordonjcp> akk: I've done that bit, I've got a file manager window that shows the files
[21:57] <gordonjcp> akk: I can't do anything with them, although I can open PDFs
[21:57] <gordonjcp> akk: I can't copy them locally
[21:58] <ajvermillion> Can you not use the file manager to find the path to one of the files?
[21:58] <gordonjcp> or, at least, I can't see a way to copy them down locally, if I try to drag them to the desktop it doesn't work
[21:58] <gordonjcp> ajvermillion: it doesn't give anything useful
[21:58] <ajvermillion> Like in a "details" or "properties" menu on any file
[21:58] <gordonjcp> "google-drive://gordonjcp@gmail.com/"
[21:58] <gordonjcp> is what it gives as "Parent folder"
[21:59] <gordonjcp> I guess "folder" here is another word for directory
[21:59] <ajvermillion> Oh, so it's not even just a remote mount, it's a whole different protocol
[21:59] <akk> I suspect most people who use google drive tend to be more comfortable with "folder" than unix terms like "directory".
[22:00] <gordonjcp> akk: yeah, Ubuntu uses "folder" everywhere, not sure why, it makes me think they're talking about office stationery
[22:00] <akk> I'm sure they think it'll make mac/win people feel all warm and fuzzy and less scared.
[22:01] <gordonjcp> this is utterly stupid
[22:01] <gordonjcp> the whole reason I was trying to copy off google drive is that's where my phone backs up to
[22:01] <gordonjcp> I can't copy files off my phone for the same reason, there's no mountpoint
[22:01] <gordonjcp> and I can get that showing up in a File Manager window, but I can't copy files out of it
[22:02] <akk> Google makes it ridiculously difficult to back up/copy from android.
[22:02] <gordonjcp> it's not, you just use something that'll mount mtp
[22:02] <ajvermillion> My phone mounts to a subfolder under Media for me, if that's worth anything
[22:02] <akk> I use adb for regular files but there's no way to back up things like contacts.
[22:02] <gordonjcp> this is actually showing me the photos
[22:02] <gordonjcp> I can click on them and open them up
[22:02] <gordonjcp> but I can't copy them to the laptop
[22:02] <gordonjcp> what the hell am I missing here?
[22:03] <akk> I assume you've tried right-clicking and looking for some option like Copy?
[22:03] <akk> (I don't use file managers, but I always try right-clicking in unfamiliar gui apps)
[22:03] <gordonjcp> it's got an option to "Copy" but I can't find any way to paste it back out
[22:04] <ajvermillion> Right click into whitespace in a different window of the same GUI?
[22:07] <bonsairoot> Hi. I have an ubuntu 16.04 install which I would like to replace with the latest kubuntu. My home has a separate partition so I guess I can keep all the data. Am I gonna encounter issues for example with the dotfiles (some assume that binaries are installed)? Any other gotchas to watch out for?
[22:07] <gordonjcp> ajvermillion: that causes my laptop to kernel panic
[22:08] <gordonjcp> okay, so Gnome 3 is fundamentally broken and unusable
[22:08] <ajvermillion> What??
[22:08] <ajvermillion> That's awful
[22:08] <gordonjcp> ajvermillion: consistent, repeatable
[22:08] <akk> Yeah, that's pretty bad.
[22:08] <gordonjcp> ajvermillion: time to upgrade to 18.04
[22:08] <gordonjcp> bloody Haiku isn't as crashy as this steaming pile
[22:09] <gordonjcp> all I want to do is copy a .mobi file from my Google drive to my Kindle
[22:09] <akk> Looks like gordonjcp isn't the only person having problems with it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1185665/ubuntu-19-10-gnome-online-accounts-google-account-works-extremely-glitchy
[22:09] <gordonjcp> it's taken me 45 minutes now to discover various ways to crassh Gnome 3 and a cnsistent way to kill my laptop
[22:09] <gordonjcp> now
[22:09] <gordonjcp> not to get into a Beard Length War but I've been using Linux for about 25 years at this point
[22:09] <ajvermillion> What file manager is this? Is a default doing this?
[22:09] <gordonjcp> I feel like I ought to know my way around stuff
[22:10] <gordonjcp> I'm amazed no-one's actually tried to use this stuff
[22:10] <akk> Beard length doesn't help much with gnome gooey stuff, I find.
[22:12] <tomreyn> bonsairoot: you should be able to install kubuntu while reusing /home. as always, you should have current and complete backups.
[22:12] <ajvermillion> You may be able to create install scripts usinf your current info
[22:13] <ajvermillion> Make sure stuff like bash config files (if using them) test to see if directories exist before using them to avoid lots of errors
[22:13] <ajvermillion> I reinstalled ubuntu once and that's the only problem I had when keeping my home
[22:13] <bonsairoot> tomreyn, Yes that one is clear to me. But my dotfiles have env vars which are set to non existing directories for example (in a fresh install)
[22:13] <ajvermillion> Give them a reasonable default
[22:13] <bonsairoot> or emacs layers that require binaries
[22:14] <bonsairoot> ajvermillion, so you would go through all of them manually before installing?
[22:15] <tomreyn> bonsairoot: create a new administrative user account then before you upgrade
[22:15] <ajvermillion> I have all my dotfiles symlinked from a .dotfiles repo in my homefolder with an install script, so it's easy for me to do that
[22:15] <ajvermillion> Do your best and note what errors appear afterwards and try to fix them
[22:16] <akk> I tend to have a dummy user I use when installing new OSes; then once everything is up and running, I create my own user and set the directories and dotfiles and all.
[22:17] <bonsairoot> Hmm a dummy user sounds like a good idea...I'll try that. Thanks
[22:18] <tomreyn> bonsairoot: ensure it has sudo access
[22:19] <akk> If it's the user created by the installer, it will. Then you just have to remember to add sudo when you add your real user.
[22:20] <bonsairoot> yea. I have a repo with the dotfiles as well but I guess I should really take this opportunity to clean up my stuff
[22:21] <ajvermillion> If it's not too much work, I set up an install script for my stuff
[22:22] <ajvermillion> Did not take half as long as you'd think, but it gives you a lot of freedom
[22:24] <bonsairoot> just a bash script which installs all the apt packages/snaps?
[22:24] <ajvermillion> Or at least the ones you want right away
[22:24] <ajvermillion> I'd share snippets, but cannot get to mine right now
[22:24] <ajvermillion> Because of my ... issues
[22:25] <bonsairoot> yea sounds reasonable
[22:27] <croraf_> Hi. I watch a bit linux kernels now.
[22:27] <croraf_> 5.4 will get out soon, and 5.3.11 got out last week
[22:27] <bonsairoot> my 16.04 is completely broken atm getting glib errors that freeze the desktop every once in a while. I have not used or upgraded that install in a long time and then did all at once. Still... never had any issue like that before with ubuntu. Always great experiences.
[22:28] <ajvermillion> Can you recovery boot?
[22:28] <croraf_> and my 19.10 linux has 5.3.0-23-generic
[22:31] <Ben64> croraf_: yes, 19.10 will always have 5.3
[22:32] <bonsairoot> ajvermillion, probably... it's running fine for a while until it doesn't . Then you need to kill processes to unfreeze the active windows. Probably fixable but since I wanted to switch to kubuntu anyway I'm just taking the opportunity to clean up and fresh install.
[22:35] <ajvermillion> Aw, I was hoping your thing was going to guve me insight into my mystery
[22:38] <bonsairoot> I can post the error from journalctl if you want
[22:38] <ajvermillion> It's fine, if you can kill processes, it's not my stupid thing
[22:42] <andee2233> Hi, is this the right place to ask for tech support regarding firewire cards?
[22:43] <gigirock> andee2233:if the card is in a ubuntu system .... yes
[22:43] <Bashing-om> andee2233: If you are running a'buntu releae, it is indeed :D
[22:44] <jeremy31> Bashing-om: Fix your keyboard
[22:45] <Bashing-om> jeremy31: :) .. Yup On my todo list .
[22:45] <andee2233> Yes it is. I can't get my Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) to show up in 1394 devices
[22:45] <andee2233> I'm currently running Kubuntu with Ubuntu studio applied to it.
[22:45] <andee2233> latest low latency kernel.
[22:47] <gigirock> andee2233:did the board worked with previous kernel and kubuntu/studio ?
[22:48] <andee2233> This board even worked with the current kernel. What happened was the following: didn't get detected after install, however going through multiple tutorials and fixes online at some point it got detected and working, just while trying to get my audio interface to also get detected I messed something up in grub and it wouldn't start anymore so I had
[22:48] <andee2233> to reinstall.
[23:09] <andee2233> Hi, sorry, I had to restart. Tried booting with generic kernel instead of the low latency one and the firewire card still doesn't show up in 1394 devices.
[23:23] <croraf_> Ben64: You mean it will always have 5.3.0?
[23:23] <croraf_> How does it relate to upstream 5.3.11?
[23:27] <Ben64> croraf_: it doesn't?
[23:29] <croraf_> Well, lets say 5.3.0 gets a number of important security patches up to 5.3.11, so they won't finish in the Ubuntu?
[23:29] <croraf_> Ben64:
[23:30] <Ben64> ubuntu kernels get security patches through their lifetime, but the version stays the same
[23:31] <croraf_> So 5.3.0 stays the same always as an indication from which upstream version it was created?
[23:31] <croraf_> Ben64:
[23:32] <croraf_> And after the patch is included the ...-23-generic is updated?
[23:32] <Ben64> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[23:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[23:34] <aleksandrdvorkin> i just got a free domain name but when i access it it opens my Modem config page
[23:35] <Ben64> you might want ##networking
[23:36] <genii> aleksandrdvorkin: So you should probably turn off remote administration option of the modem, and then port forward 80 and whatever other services to an internal box running those services
[23:37] <genii> So that the config can only be accessed by LAN machines and not by the internet at large using your external IP
[23:37] <sarnold> top tip to disable remote administration
[23:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> the thing is i can run ngrok as my DNS and it displays the webpage of my webstore but when i click on the items in the webstore is shows page not found 404 so i thought maybe it has to do with Domain name so i got a free domain name
[23:39] <flog> If you need remote access, set up a vpn server on your network or set up ssh.
[23:39] <genii> ( I am making somewhat of an assumption here that the service is using something like ddns and just points at your IP )
[23:40] <flog> Need to figure out why my usb drives dont show up when I plug them in.
[23:41] <tomreyn> flog: is anything logged about them when you run   dmesg -w    then plug them in?
[23:42] <flog> tomreyn: no new entries when i plug/unplug
[23:42] <tomreyn> flog: try a different usb port, ideally far away from the original one
[23:42] <flog> same thing.
[23:42] <genii> Maybe you're using a charging-only cable and not a data cable
[23:42] <flog> genii: usb pen drive.
[23:43] <tomreyn> flog: unplug all other usb devices, then try again
[23:43] <genii> flog: Maybe check then if it's USB3 and plugged into an USB2 port
[23:43] <flog> THats the only device i had pluged in.
[23:44] <flog> Got two usb ports and two usb c prots.
[23:44] <genii> Some of them are not backward compatible
[23:44] <flog> I did install jmtpfs and mtp-tools yesterday and managed to mount my phone once.
[23:44] <tomreyn> did it ever work? which ubuntu release and kernel are you running now? if it worked before, what were you running then?
[23:45] <croraf_> Ben64: ty for the link
[23:45] <flog> To be honest i have not used any usb pen drives before trying mounting my phone.
[23:45] <flog> But after monuting the phone it wouldnt mount again and I started trying mounting usb drives instead.
[23:46] <flog> suspecting that jmtpfs and mtp-tools has done something.
[23:46] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release and kernel are you running now?
[23:46] <flog> 19.04 and 5.0.0-36-generic on amd ryzen
[23:47] <tomreyn> and it's new hardware?
[23:47] <flog> Farily new laptop. a couple month old.
[23:47] <sarnold> flog: do either of those packages suggest ways to temporarily undo whatever it is they did?
[23:47] <tomreyn> how did you install ubuntu if not using a usb drive?
[23:48] <flog> tomreyn: that is true. i did install via usb drives. Actually with one of the ones i just tried mounting. It still has the ubuntu installer on it.
[23:49] <tomreyn> see if you can still boot off the usb
[23:50] <genii> tomreyn: Yeah, that is probably the fastest way to differentiate if it's a hardware or software issue
[23:50] <flog> Still have wintendo installed on the laptop so i could try mounting the usb drive under wintendo too.
[23:50] <tomreyn> yes. if it used to work, it should still work, unless the hardware / firmware changed
[23:51] <flog> brb rebooting ty try
[23:51] <tomreyn> i was referring to booting ubuntu off the usb
[23:53] <tomreyn> if this is zen 2 you may actually want to make sure you have the latest firmware and upgrade to 19.10 soon.
[23:54] <tomreyn> 19.04 only has two more months of support anyways
[23:55] <flog> tomreyn: the usb drives mounts just fine under windows which should suggest there is no issues with the hardware.
[23:56] <flog> I do intend upgrading to 19.10, cant do it just yet though since I dont have the bandwidth at work to do so.
[23:56] <tomreyn> yes, this makes hardware unlikely. it doesn't rule out firmware issues.
[23:57] <flog> So next step would be to boot the ubuntu installer and try monuting another usb drive?
[23:57] <tomreyn> sounds like a good idea to me, if you have another. but then it'd already boot off an usb storage this way.
[23:59] <flog> I guess there might still be issues with amd ryzen since it is fairly new.