[00:15] <roracle> okay i got d/c so i'll ask again:  /etc/skel is where you place the .kde folder, but it doesn't seem to carry over placement of menus and latte-dock and all that.  how do i make it where the desktop i set up carries over for new users?
[00:32] <valorie> roracle: say what now?
[00:32] <valorie> the .kde folder is a holdover from the past, in your $HOME
[00:32] <valorie> users don't put things in skel
[00:33] <roracle> valorie i'm trying to create a way for new users to have all settings i have on my desktop carry over when the new user is created
[00:34] <valorie> ah, you are asking about setting up for others -- in which case I would 1. ask in #kde and 2. check out the modern use of ~/.config ~/.local and maybe ~/.cache
[00:34] <valorie> afaik nobody uses .kde any more
[00:35] <valorie> for that skel might be the right thing to do
[00:35] <roracle> well i was asking in here because a friend of mine said to find out "how your distro does it" because apparently it's different for each, and KDE help says it uses /etc/skel, so i presumed
[00:35] <roracle> and the help docs all say .kde is the folder to use
[00:35] <valorie> wow
[00:35] <valorie> old docs then
[00:36] <valorie> all the old kde4/qt4 stuff is gone
[00:36] <roracle> yeah, software gets updated sooner than help lol.  that's why i came to the irc.
[00:36] <valorie> unless you are on an old LTS
[00:36] <valorie> this upcoming LTS will have zero
[00:36] <roracle> i'm personally on 19.10, but the system i'm setting up for is 18.04.3 LTS
[00:37] <valorie> I'm very much doubting anything uses .kde for configs
[00:37] <roracle> okay
[00:37] <valorie> unless you have Amarok
[00:37] <valorie> which we no longer distribute
[00:37] <valorie> RIP
[00:37] <roracle> https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Modify_KDE_Software_Defaults
[00:38]  * valorie hopes for the re-emergence as KF5
[00:38] <roracle> last updated in 2017 lol
[00:38] <roracle> i just wish people would stop being so snobby and just get KDE looking like Mac, give apple some competition
[00:38] <valorie> ~/.config is most of it
[00:38] <valorie> dunno what mac looks like these days
[00:38] <valorie> I think plasma looks great
[00:39] <roracle> it looks the same it has since the first OSX, but Plasma can have the "surface look" but Linux+Plasma runs and controls so much easier
[00:40] <roracle> there's this thing in Linux that is done better than Win and Mac...and some may laugh, but Linux systems are far more consistent.
[00:41] <roracle> macOS has added so much nonsense, that it's almost impossible to use everything they've added.  They literally have to add an icon to the dock for anything new to let you know it's there
[00:41] <valorie> dunno, it's been years since I used a mac
[00:41] <roracle> because all the nonsense they add doesn't actually give the user anything worth using, and they'll otherwise just keep using it like the desktop it is.
[00:42] <roracle> but anyways, i should ask in #kde?
[00:43] <valorie> yes, although except for changing the name of the folders it should be as the old docs suggest
[00:43] <valorie> it would be good to bring it to the attention of those who know enough to update the wiki as well
[00:43] <valorie> and you can test the fix
[00:43] <valorie> :-)
[00:48] <roracle> okay thank you
[00:49] <valorie> best of luck!
[05:02] <tsarompy> yo yo yo
[05:02] <tsarompy> just a quick question for you guys if youre around
[05:03] <tsarompy> can you run windowmaker dockapps in kde?
[05:03] <tsarompy> im guessing i could with openbox/pekwm but is it possible with kwin as the window manager?
[05:05] <tsarompy> ill ask kde :P
[05:16] <valorie> just asking the guys, eh
[05:17] <valorie> there is also #kwin btw
[05:35] <tsarompy> naw just a figure of speech valorie
[05:35] <tsarompy> askin everyone ofc
[05:35] <valorie> ok
[05:35] <tsarompy> i already purged em tho :P
[05:35] <tsarompy> trying to not environment-hop
[05:35] <tsarompy> but i only have 4GB ram, so i cant really enjoy kde to the fullest
[05:36] <valorie> plasma is usable without kwin
[05:36] <tsarompy> yzyz
[05:36] <tsarompy> openbox --replace and what not
[05:36] <tsarompy> i just turn off the desktop effects, it runs well
[05:36] <valorie> but I don't know what windowmaker dockapps even are
[05:36] <tsarompy> windowmaker is kinda like the nextstep interface
[05:37] <valorie> dunno what that is either
[05:37] <valorie> I use my computer to do stuff
[05:37] <valorie> and don't jump around much
[05:37] <tsarompy> i just get kinda frustrated cause my browser eats all my ram so i try to optimize my desktop as much as possible
[05:38] <valorie> have you tried falkon?
[05:38] <tsarompy> my computer froze in the middle of a job application today and im still upset about it
[05:38] <valorie> it's pretty light
[05:38] <tsarompy> yeah, falkon is great
[05:38] <tsarompy> but i cant live without being able to sign into google
[05:38] <tsarompy> bookmarks/passwords/netflix etc
[05:38] <valorie> ram isn't expensive....
[05:38] <valorie> and xmas is coming up
[05:38] <tsarompy> yeah.. but my laptop is maxed out :\
[05:38] <valorie> yeah, I know
[05:39] <valorie> laptops aren't so expensive anymore either
[05:39] <tsarompy> they are when youre in between jobs :<
[05:40] <tsarompy> anyways
[05:40] <tsarompy> thanks for helpin me <3
[05:40] <tsarompy> i think ill idle here, maybe i can help someone
[05:40] <valorie> true
[05:40] <valorie> well, #kwin is where the kwin experts hang out, although once europe wakes up you'll have more luck
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[08:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:36] <kab0m> anyone in here who can help me with some QT/QML script problem?
[10:38] <user|26538> could a child learn Kubuntu? Also are there games lol
[12:25] <kab0m> I cant run a qml-script in kde neon. Error "qml: Did not load any objects, exiting." the same script runs fine ob ubuntu 18.04. Anyone knows what to do?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 Hi guys! I just realized that on Kubuntu 19.10 with ppa there seems to be an issue with the shortcuts. @RikMills
 when I switch the standard "Show desktop" widget in the panel to "minimize all" and then assign "meta+D" to "minimize all" it asks me if I want to reassign the shortcut (from "Show desktop" widget to "minimize all". I approve the change, but nothing changes. "Meta+D" still activates the "show desktop" funktionality". Restarting the session does not solve the problem.
 Can anyone confirm?
 Am I doing something obviously wrong?
 And it brings me back to a question I asked before here: Would not "minimize all" be the better default?
 @RikMills
 We did discuss that, and decided not IIRC
 I'll try the shortcut thing in a little while.
 Thanks a lot!
[13:56] <shubham828> There are only 45 bugs on bugzilla with JJ tag , most of them are so old so how do i find my first begginer friendly bug ?
 @Linuxophil, Works for me
 @RikMills, Thanks for looking into it! Do you have any idea where I might have gone wrong?
 Sounds like we did exactly the same thing, so not sure. I assume you clicked apply? What does the shortcut say is asigned if you go back again and check?
 yes on both accounts.
 I send screenshots.
 (Photo, 1261x894) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Cca5h0j6/file_20153.jpg
 (Photo, 1250x1011) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/oGQeGKsl/file_20154.jpg
 that's weird!
 it not says that the widget switched back to Show desktop!
 But the properties of "minimize all" looks exactly the same:
 (Photo, 1250x1011) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0XGoeqB2/file_20155.jpg
 (Photo, 1016x716) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6jt0LsWS/file_20156.jpg
 OK. Solved.
 in contrast to what the dialog said (the dialog that asked me if it should switch "meta+d" from "Show desktop" to "minimize all"), it did assign the shortcut to both, but acted only on the preexisting assigment.
 When I manually deleted "meta+D" for "show desktop" it automatically deleted the shortcut for "minimize all" as well.
 Then I set "meta+D" again for "minimize all" and now it works.
 Odd. Worked 1st time here
 One for the "papercut-list", I guess. 😉
 @RikMills, Yeah. I use the Kubuntu 19.10 image from 3 days after release. Plus backports ppa. Up to date with all updates of right now.
 That is what I was testing with.
 All in all, I am very happy with Kubuntu 19.10. I have it on a test SSD parallel to my Kubuntu 18.04. Only thing I have not tested is Gaming.
 I have to say that usability in terms of making things more easy to find if you don't already know where they are has very much improved since 5.12!
 Yeah, it is looking good for 5.18 LTS Plasma :)
 @RikMills, I have to say that can hardly wait!
 Also, for 20.04 we are not going to face the same problem with the ppa as in 18.04, right?
 The problem of being stuck on one Plasma release if we do not want to leave the LTS.
 That could well be the case.
 Sup folks
 @RikMills , another question entirely: I have tried working with the PIM suit on 19.10 again. Do you know if there are plans in the forseeable future to get more syncing functionality into KDE connect? Like contacts and calendar?
 I don't think so, but could be wrong. There seems to be phone contact work going on via vcard, but that is not PIM contacts AFAIK
[15:12] <BluesKaj> .
 @RikMills, Hm... seemless integration here would be a great value add to KDE and the PIM suit. It would actually make me use it.
[16:16] <MrMinemeet> Hi,
[16:18] <MrMinemeet> I'm trying to install Kubuntu on my main PC but I always get stuck at installation after selecting my drive. It tells "Errno 5: Input/Output error" and that I should check my cd(I use a USB) and my drive. I tried multiple USB sticks and destination drives but always get stuck at this
 @MrMinemeet, Maybe this article can help you  … https://askubuntu.com/questions/65830/errno-5-input-output-error-when-trying-to-install
[16:19] <R_Aravind-M> Try Downloading the iso again..
[16:19] <R_Aravind-M> Use the torrent mirror
[16:20] <MrMinemeet> @R_Aravind-M already downloaded it from a few different servers. Checksum was always OK
[16:22] <R_Aravind-M> <MrMinemeet "@R_Aravind-M already downloaded "> I had the same issue..
[16:23] <R_Aravind-M> It got solved when I redownloaded
[16:26] <MrMinemeet> @R_Aravind-M ok I'll try redownloading so often until it works
[16:26] <oerheks> !md5sum
[16:27] <MrMinemeet> I know. Always did it when downloaded and it always matched
[16:28] <MrMinemeet> might it be because of the programm to copy it on my usb? I'm using "Startup Disk Creator"
[16:29] <R_Aravind-M> Then also do check if there are any bad sectors in your drive
[16:29] <R_Aravind-M> <MrMinemeet "might it be because of the progr"> I dont think that might be the problem..
 @R_Aravind-M> <MrMinemeet "might it be because of the progr", maybe try etcher. It always works for me. No matter the hardware or operating system.
 https://etcher.download/
[16:43] <R_Aravind-M> <IrcsomeBot "<Linuxophil> @R_Aravind-M> <MrMi"> I usually use Rufus and it works fine
[16:45] <MrMinemeet> @R_Aravid-M I uses it too and a few weeks ago it worked fine but not anymore.
[16:45] <MrMinemeet> Drive check doesn't work as  it tells mit "is in use"
[16:46] <MrMinemeet> Etcher just gives me a error that the iso is corrupted (even though the SHA256 is correct)
[21:12] <roman_> ???
[21:14] <roman> asd
[22:13] <derek-shnosh> Is there any way to achieve a wallpaper "span" across multiple monitors? Similarly to the feature in Windows? I love the 19.10 wallpaper and it looks great spanned! https://i.imgur.com/I1YoIfG.jpg
[22:16] <genii> derek-shnosh: There is currently not a way to do this from the settings available. But if you're set on having it look like this, you can just split the picture into sections and have each section on each separate monitor
[22:19] <derek-shnosh> genii: thanks for the response. I'll hold off until this is a built-in supported feature, if it becomes one. Having the dissimilar resolutions and orientations as shown in the picture makes that cumbersome.
[23:43] <BlueBomber> anyone here use espeak
[23:48] <valorie> BlueBomber: you might ask in #ubuntu which is a much larger channel