 how can I now from which package is a command? I have kscreen-doctor in this computer and I'm wondering how I get it.
 *know
 (and I don't have kscreen installed)
[01:01] <wxl> you could `apt-file search`
 btw
 wxl, someone told me that in i3 the desktop is like another window
[01:03] <wxl> meaning?
 unlike bspwm
 which handles the desktop in the background as a whole
[01:05] <wxl> so you can alt-tab through windows and one of them is the desktop itself?
 don't know
 just saw the piictures
 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bspwm&t=ffab&atb=v191-1&iax=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux.org.ru%2Fimages%2F16879%2Foriginal.png&ia=images
[01:07] <wxl> yeah, tiling window managers are beautiful
[01:07] <wxl> my setup is a little less pretty since i don't define the space around the windows but i don't care that much
[01:08] <wxl> i tend to be a bit of a pragmatist
[01:08] <wxl> (also it maximizes available screen space which is important on a laptop, albeit a 17" one)
[01:14] <kc2bez> I have i3 on my 32bit dinosaur. It handles workspaces a little differently than other tilers but the concept is the same as far as windows.
 @kc2bez D60 not only adds a new icon but also removes post and pre installation scripts which would otherwise fail building of rSEED. The icon will make sure that the hummingbird logo appears even when the option in grub is labelled as "ubuntu" (it currently is)
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/applications/theloudspeaker/
 Endorsements / comments ploxx
 Just remembered, Zorin os lite released recently right? Not a serious competition but a good one when we consider Windows 7 support ends this January.
[06:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2fa3ded6f85c: Spellcheck kde partition manager] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2fa3ded6f85c
[06:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8933c15866dd: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8933c15866dd
[06:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4a639d6caf36: Remove unnesecary whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4a639d6caf36
[06:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL621a926facc3: Update Chapter 2 blurb] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL621a926facc3
 I'm trying to compile pcmanfm-qt and get this error, any idea? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8njgVs69Bh/
[18:23] <wxl> not sure, but i do see that the error is pretty early in the process and starts with a call to libfm-qt, which, as you know, is tightly coupled to pcmanfm-qt. if libfm-qt version doesn't match pcmanfm-qt version, you might run into trouble. try compiling libfm-qt first?
 Maybe this helps: To workaround this issue you can edit CMakeLists.txt and remove the -DQT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII and -DQT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII defines.
 @aptghetto [Maybe this helps: To workaround this issue you can edit CMakeLists.txt and remov …], couldn't find those in CMakeLists.txt
 @wxl [<wxl> not sure, but i do see that the error is pretty early in the process and s …], I think it's easier to try a stable release of pcmanfm-qt instead of git then.
[18:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl fwiw i've done it before and it's not too painful :)
 Should be in pcmanfm/CMakeLists.txt
 @aptghetto [Should be in pcmanfm/CMakeLists.txt], didn't see it https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt
 https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/blob/master/pcmanfm/CMakeLists.txt
 thanks!!
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/20.04.2
 ^ here it says uploaded to focal
 does that mean changes are in latest iso?
[20:15] <wxl> track down the manifest file and `wget -q -O - $manifest | grep lubuntu-`
 I did that. I don't see lubuntu-meta there
[20:16] <wxl> !info src:lubuntu-meta
[20:17] <wxl> note that the lubuntu-meta SOURCE produces a lubuntu-desktop PACKAGE
[20:17] <wxl> this is why i said lubuntu- and not lubuntu-meta. in reality, you probably need to grep for lubuntu-desktop
 @wxl [<wxl> note that the lubuntu-meta SOURCE produces a lubuntu-desktop PACKAGE], I have lubuntu-desktop
[20:18] <wxl> well maybe the manifest only shows source packages
[20:18] <wxl> to be fair i don't remember
[20:18] <wxl> again, why i used lubuntu- :)
 yeah on using lubuntu- I see artwork, desktop,default settings and update notifier
[20:19] <wxl> desktop = meta
 okay.
 so it's there in latest iso.
 same version no
[20:20] <wxl> still .1?
 thought we had those whitespace problems na?
 @wxl [<wxl> still .1?], nope. .2 is there
[20:20] <wxl> oh
[20:20] <wxl> so there you go
[20:20] <wxl> have at it
 running zsync now
[20:20] <wxl> the whitespace issues are minor packaging issues which will not in any way affect functionality
 I thought it would stop from building
[20:21] <wxl> s/whitespace/lintian/ (which included whitespace issues)
[20:21] <wxl> nooooo
[20:21] <wxl> again if you look at lintian, there are different types of tags. error and warning tags are bad. pedantic and info tags (what we had) are not good, but won't really cause any major paint
[20:21] <wxl> s/\(pain\)t/\1/
 gotcha
[20:26] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker crazy idea re: your app: make lubuntu-desktop-tiling with i3 or awesome plus lubuntu-default-settings-tiling or if you're really cool figure out how to make wayland+sway work :)
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker crazy idea re: your app: make lubuntu-desktop-tiling with …], I haven't really tried awesome or i3. But noted. Will add to todo list. And wayland, bhaiya thats too much for me.
 Thanks
[20:30] <wxl> i'd be incliend to suggest i3 over awesome despite the fact i use the latter since i think it would be easier to make i3 pretty.
[20:30] <wxl> also a lua-based config file might not be totally lovable to your average user :)
 More importantly, we need a proper theme changer/ tweaker like kvantum. Can't we ship kvantum?
[20:32] <wxl> lean a bit on k2bez and lynorian for config suggestions, etc. as they have both used them
[20:32] <wxl> i've been meaning to go i3 but i've also been meaning to go weechat for years... if something works, i usually just let it be
[20:32] <wxl> !info kvantum
[20:32] <wxl> !info kvantum experimental
[20:32] <wxl> !info kvantum unstable
[20:32] <wxl> ^ see the problem?
 Not really a comparison coz desktop is xfce there but zorin lite has very nice options for changing themes. We don't have anything currently and I see zorin lite as competition maxx.
[20:34] <wxl> a slight aside (this relates to i3 indirectly): am i the only one that wants an xcb shirt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCB#/media/File:Xcb_logo.svg
[20:34] <wxl> i don't personally see zorin as much in the way of competition but ok :)
 same minimum requirements but honestly better theming options.
 tho performance is always on our side.
[20:35] <wxl> right, that
[20:35] <wxl> btwwww someone should probably have at the distrowatch page for us as there's some old stuff on there and stuff missing https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lubuntu
 as I said, *someone* won't get updates from january and we can use that for our profit.
 @wxl [<wxl> btwwww someone should probably have at the distrowatch page for us as ther …], Want me to do that?
[20:38] <wxl> there's this lubuntu v windows 7 thing that might be able to expound upon for a blog post https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[20:38] <wxl> THAT would be a very good thing for someone *very* familiar with windows 7 to do (that is not me)
[20:38] <wxl> if you can help there, that's much more valuable than the distrowatch business
 @wxl [<wxl> there's this lubuntu v windows 7 thing that might be able to expound upon …], there obviously is.
[20:39] <wxl> i'm sure someone enthuiastic with nothing to do (@ItzSwirlz?) might be interested in fixing our distrowatch page
 or even @einarmostad: ?
 Have someone palyed with KScreen::Output? I get this errors https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9S2rqq52sC/
[20:46] <wxl> harumph
[20:46] <wxl> @RikMills you have any idea on that ^
[20:47] <kc2bez> !info qt5-style-kvantum
[20:47] <wxl> oh derp
[20:47]  * wxl hangs his head in shame
[20:47] <kc2bez> No worries
[20:47] <kc2bez> It isn't named well
 K
[20:48] <wxl> i would be inclined to ship kvantum as a default, personally. thoughts? @tsimonq2 ?
 I just need to do an install
[20:48] <kc2bez> kvantum is fantastic 
[20:48] <wxl> https://forum.lxqt.org/t/kvantum/726
 @wxl [<wxl> i would be inclined to ship kvantum as a default, personally. thoughts? @t …], What is the impact of that?
 Disk space, system resources
[20:50] <wxl> we'll need to have someone check the footprint but installed size is 1707k
 I'm more concerned about the footprint than the disk space to be honest, but that's still good
[20:51] <wxl> do you know offhand @kc2bez?
[20:52] <kc2bez> offhand no. I can look into it though.
 WXL what needs to be updated on distrowatch and how do I update it
[20:53] <wxl> @ItzSwirlz well like it says we offer 32 bit and it lacks a forum link, plus you can probably find a 19.10 review, etc. not sure how to update it tho :O
 Ok
 @tsimonq2 [Disk space, system resources], there is no issue with system resources, it doesn't run in the back.
 however, some prefer qt5ct I think @N0um3n0 does
 also
 If we ship Kvantum we will need to get update a ton of screenshots
 for the manual
 ! stand-up
[21:10] <kc2bez> I have a start on that lyn
 @lynorian [If we ship Kvantum we will need to get update a ton of screenshots], we will have to do that.
[21:10] <kc2bez> Happy to help
[21:10] <wxl> ooh i didn't knwo about qt5ct. if our goal is to have a nicer default look, that might be something to do
 ! info qt5ct
 !info qt5ct
[21:11] <wxl> however it won't just plug into systemsettings all nice
[21:11] <kc2bez> You can't do that from telegram :D
[21:11] <wxl> !search qt5ct
[21:11] <wxl> :/
[21:11] <wxl> !info qt5ct
 @wxl [<wxl> @RikMills you have any idea on that ^], how on earth has kscreen got anything to do with that????
 @HMollerCl [however, some prefer qt5ct I think @N0um3n0 does], yes, I have configured with qt5ct
 @ubot93 [<ubot93> qt5ct (0.39-1build1, focal): Qt5 Configuration Utility. In component un …], small one only
 @RikMills [how on earth has kscreen got anything to do with that????], Library backend for lxqt-config-monitors?
 I know he's working on something relevant to that right now
[21:12] <wxl> https://www.pcsuggest.com/qt5ct-change-qt5-application-style/
 @wxl [<wxl> https://www.pcsuggest.com/qt5ct-change-qt5-application-style/], it does look very nice and easier to use than kvantum
 https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/screenshot-thread/221/8
 kvantum confused me
 @tsimonq2 [Library backend for lxqt-config-monitors?], @HMollerCl I guess look at the latest changes in 5.17? … https://cgit.kde.org/kscreen.git/log/?h=Plasma/5.17
[21:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> !stand-up
[21:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> !standup
[21:17] <wxl> o/
[21:17] <lynorian> \o
 o/
[21:18] <kc2bez> o/
[21:18] <guiverc> o/
 Opting out.
[21:18] <wxl> oooooooooooooook
 @RikMills [how on earth has kscreen got anything to do with that????], the errors in pastebinit are from output.h like … /usr/include/KF5/KScreen/kscreen/output.h:86:13: error: expected identifier before numeric constant …    86 |             None = 1,
 I have done mostly just editing things for how I word things and grammar and spelling and added one feature to rename a printer
 that is what I have done this week
 me next?
[21:21] <wxl> well let me sneak in
 yup
[21:21] <wxl> all i did was help raman along;
 go on
[21:21] <wxl> (the semicolon indicating the end of the statement) :)
 hahahaha
 nice
[21:22] <wxl> ((in cpp manual style))
 yeah
 I have just pinged you again and again to sponsor xscreensaver changes
[21:22] <wxl> X'D
[21:22] <wxl> kind of like:
 and created a new SRU task for grub theme
 @HMollerCl [the errors in pastebinit are from output.h like … /usr/include/KF5/KScreen/kscreen …], Not seen anything like that building plasma itself
[21:23] <wxl>  * via telegram: hey sponsor me
[21:23] <wxl>  * via IRC: hey sponsor me
[21:23] <wxl>  * via PM on IRC: hey you available? sponsor me
[21:23] <kc2bez> ^
 more like: … wxl bhaiya check D61 ploxxx :)
 You know how I'd respond: "what's a sponsor?"
 "What's a D61?"
 XD
 XD
 I would send a link then
 of D61
[21:24] <wxl> oh my preferred response is either "ask dan" or "get your developer application in"
[21:24] <wxl> at least one of those hit home :)
[21:24] <kc2bez> Orrr your application ;)
[21:24] <wxl> for those that didn't see (endorsements and comments wanted!) https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/applications/theloudspeaker/
 ^^
 anyway, checkout https://phab.lubuntu.me/T133 whe free.
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] lubuntu-grub-theme into eoan.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T133
 @RikMills [Not seen anything like that building plasma itself], @HMollerCl Seems that is all new in Plasma 5.17 though.
[21:25] <wxl> oh the answer to that: no-op the failure
 also, yeah comments on the application required.  I will be applying later only tho.
 Ooo, do we have two civil engineers on the team? @HMollerCl @The_LoudSpeaker
 @wxl [<wxl> oh the answer to that: no-op the failure], ?
[21:25] <wxl> meaning don't make the failure fail the script
 @tsimonq2 [Ooo, do we have two civil engineers on the team? @HMollerCl @The_LoudSpeaker], oooh! I didn't know about that
[21:25] <wxl> exit 0, or whatever. 
[21:26] <wxl> for your edification tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOP_(code)
 @RikMills [@HMollerCl Seems that is all new in Plasma 5.17 though.], I'm using libkf5screen-dev/focal,now 4:5.17.3-0ubuntu1 amd64 [installed], the output.h of the lib is teh one that's in kded in the git tree?
 @wxl [<wxl> exit 0, or whatever.], no it won't exit zero. script was made in keeping mind that theme will be installed on a already good running eoan system and it does its job rightly
 @HMollerCl [I'm using libkf5screen-dev/focal,now 4:5.17.3-0ubuntu1 amd64 [installed], the ou …], In the 5.17 branch, I assume so.
[21:27] <wxl> i have to say 0xfd****** is way cooler than : 
 XD
 @tsimonq2 [Ooo, do we have two civil engineers on the team? @HMollerCl @The_LoudSpeaker], for what?
 "Can we please switch to IPv6 already?"
[21:28] <wxl> that's the problem, though.. it will ALSO be used when building the iso, where it will fail because there's no grub
 thats all from me.
[21:28] <wxl> so just let it be dumb
 @wxl [<wxl> that's the problem, though.. it will ALSO be used when building the iso, w …], SRU one will be used to build iso?
[21:28] <wxl> ALL will be
 ughhh!
 then I will have to change it for eoan also. that means cloning rART and checking out ubuntu/eoan ?
[21:30] <wxl> well i mean i guess we could just not SRU it
 @HMollerCl Also. Eoan will have 5.18 not 5.17 when that gets released, so things could change much more before Febuary
[21:31] <wxl> i guess for eoan we shouldn't get a new iso..... but we could. stranger things have happened
 @wxl [<wxl> well i mean i guess we could just not SRU it], then give me another SRU task before I apply for dev.
[21:31] <wxl> screensaver?
 @wxl [<wxl> i guess for eoan we shouldn't get a new iso..... but we could. stranger th …], we won't need na. focal is coming many will just go to that only.
 @wxl [<wxl> screensaver?], what about that?
[21:32] <wxl> yeah especially given it's LTS
 if you mean the flurry wala changes. I am afraid they can't be SRU-ed
[21:32] <wxl> why not?
 local .xscreensaver file
[21:32] <wxl> oh harumphhhhh
[21:32] <wxl> oh well we have time
[21:32] <wxl> we'll find something
 we can still try and see if local one gets updated or not. OR wait a sec. is a local one even created if user hasn't modified anything in xscreensaver settings? I don't think so.
 It is created only when user modifies/ opens the screensaver settings from application menu
[21:34] <wxl> right, which is a possibility
 but too much edge case where user has used eoan for over 6 months now and not opened screensaver once.
 Mostly they have
[21:35] <wxl> yeah
 have we pulled the latest shortcutkeys from upstream?
 we can SRU that into eoan. it came just before release na?
[21:38] <kc2bez> What we have is more or less the same but with a different version number.
 @RikMills [@HMollerCl Also. Eoan will have 5.18 not 5.17 when that gets released, so things …], it's extremely different the output.h I see in git vs in the library. Is that ok? I see something like this: https://code.woboq.org/kde/extragear/libs/libkscreen/src/output.h.html
[21:40] <wxl> don't worry we'll find something
[21:40] <wxl> anyone else got anything?
[21:41] <guiverc> my vertical alignment screen bugs have been closed upstream; fixed :) is hope, I've been testing upstream a bit last ~2 weeks; but not all of fix has yet to be packaged (screensaver issue still; tsujan also says I was lucky in my re-tests not find other issue(s) .. still progressing
[21:41] <guiverc> testcases; haven't got progressed; difficulty concentrating  (hand pain issue)
[21:41] <guiverc> some testing as usual, usual watching askubu, ubuforum etc
[21:41] <guiverc> eof
[21:41] <wxl> thank you so much guiverc. you are a godsend, truly.
[21:41] <kc2bez> Indeed!
 @RikMills I got it, It's not kscreen it's libkscren, this one https://github.com/KDE/libkscreen/blob/master/src/output.h
 @HMollerCl [@RikMills I got it, It's not kscreen it's libkscren, this one https://github.com …], Did I link the wrong one? Oops! sorry. I did mean the lib one
[21:43] <wxl> dan you got anything?
[21:43] <kc2bez> Not much to add,plenty TODO
[21:44] <kc2bez> We are the BDLL challenge this week so expect an uptick in activity.
[21:45] <kc2bez> I have been answering questions in their Telegram group and will be on the live stream.
[21:45] <wxl> wotttttttt?
[21:45] <wxl> hm maybe i should troll the livestream
 I just booted the latest iso. xscreensaver works well. Closing those tasks.
[21:45] <kc2bez> https://bigdaddylinux.com/bdll/
 what livestream?
[21:45] <kc2bez> ^
[21:45] <wxl> i'll just hold up a sign showing everything is simon's fault
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> ^], haa just saw
[21:46] <wxl> OMG WE"RE THE DISTRO WTH
[21:46] <wxl> we need to blog/tweet/toot/etc that
[21:46] <kc2bez> Live show Saturday night.
[21:47] <wxl> @RikMills did you see Kubuntu is after us on BDLL???
[21:47] <wxl> erp
[21:47] <kc2bez> Before, they were last week.
[21:47] <wxl> wait no
[21:47] <wxl> reading backwards
 @wxl [<wxl> we need to blog/tweet/toot/etc that], @tsimonq2 this reminds me something that you forgot.
[21:47] <kc2bez> Rik was in the chat, I think
[21:48] <wxl> who besides me and simon has access to all the things?
 infra peeps?
 @teward001 ?
[21:48] <wxl> nooo
 also, been long mate @teward001 wake up!
[21:48] <wxl> i mean who can tweet and such
[21:49] <kc2bez> I can
[21:49] <wxl> well get on it! :)
[21:49] <kc2bez> Will do :)
[21:49] <kc2bez> Also there is this thread on the BDLL discourse https://discourse.bigdaddylinux.com/t/lubuntu-19-10-november-23/465
[21:50] <wxl> yeah nuttin much doing there
[21:50] <kc2bez> No, but some links and such.
[21:50] <wxl> i think that oauth2 failure has been there for a while in thunderbird. kind of not our problem, but..
[21:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T21: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#2730
[21:51] <kc2bez> Anyway, that has been my week so far.
[21:51] <wxl> thx!
[21:51] <wxl> @HMollerCl anything to add?
[22:01] <wxl> well
[22:01] <wxl> let's call it then
[22:01] <wxl> thanks everyone!
 Sorry there are problems with transportation here
 wxl https://www.distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=lubuntu it seems good
[22:57] <wxl> @ItzSwirlz 32 bit is wrong. user forums are blank. documentation is wrong. there's at least one screencast out there. bug tracker ugh should probably just be launchpad. and there's probably a 19.10 review out there
 wow that never got updated with my manual