 i was poked
 what's up
 sorry i'm half dead :)
 Jab
 Weekly stand-up poked you.
[00:25] <wxl> it was just raman being a pest
 Tweet/Toot/Telegram sent wxl
[00:27] <wxl> thxxxxxxx
[00:27] <wxl> blog? or you think that's silly?
 That might be a bit much.
[00:28] <wxl> okie dokie
[00:28] <wxl> good enough
[00:28] <wxl> maybe a forum and/or mailing list post?
 Maybe? We could always wait to see how it turns out ;)
[00:30]  * wxl shrugs
[00:30] <wxl> maybe if we get community folks to show up they'll be in the chat for support
 People in the chat would be nice.
 wxl do you remember a while back there was someone in the support channel that said they couldn't install steam from the repo?
[01:16] <wxl> vaguely
 I figured out what needs to be done.
[01:16] <wxl> oh?
[01:16] <guiverc> lynorian, page https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.1/3.1.1/fcitx.html .. on both 19.10 ISO & latest 20.04 daily ISO; fcitx does not appear by default bottom right (on live images anyway; I'm assuming not on [new] installs)  ; manual page implies to me it is; want bug report for this? or anything..
 You have to enable the i386 architecture. … run `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; sudo apt update … `a `sudo apt full-upgrade` probably wouldn't hurt. … Then `sudo apt install steam-installer`
[01:17] <wxl> ahhh
[01:17] <wxl> they should just make a preinst do that
 Muon, tells you that but neither Discover nor apt do.
[01:17] <wxl> like the amd64 package would be nothing but that script
[01:18] <wxl> weird. i don't remember having to do that with apt.
 It can be Simon's fault ;) He was the last uploader.
 I didn't remember doing it either but I didn't remember where I installed it from.
[01:28] <guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, btw I like the 20.04 screensaver; soothing :)   (noticed before now, but first time I've mentioned I think)
 Can anyone explain snaps and flatpaks to me?
 @kc2bez [You have to enable the i386 architecture. … run sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; …], ohhh. thanks for the info. I was downloading and installing it manually from steam's website
 so steam-installer is there in ubuntu repos now? @kc2bez ?
[01:36] <lynorian> I don't think it is autostarted
 The installer has been there but if you don't enable the i386 arch you will get unmet dependencies.
[01:36] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker they're all intended, more or less, as universal packages, generally with some sort of sandboxing
 @guiverc [<guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, btw I like the 20.04 screensaver; soothing :)   (noti …], wxl selected it. Also, can you check the lock screen dialogue box and relay your findings on T119 ? I had just live booted to check. can't really get to a password entering box in live.
 @kc2bez [The installer has been there but if you don't enable the i386 arch you will get …], I got them, I ran apt install -f
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker they're all intended, more or less, as universal packages …], flatpak or snaps? which is better? I personally would like to go with snaps coz canonical backs it. also turned out they work faster on my system so..
 Why not either or both?
 You don't have to limit it.
 the deb from steam's website adds precise repos to sources. and that gives errors on apt update. had to remove that.
 @kc2bez [Why not either or both?], yeah I have spotify, lxd and telegram from snaps and slack from flathub. but just curious which is better.
 I am actually on elementary since I nuked windows. they added native flatpak support so asking.  … The only reason elementary is there and not lubuntu is I had time to tweak snd install. whenever I have to do quick reinstalls I go with lubuntu only. Also, tilling and vala.
 I will uninstall steam and follow the instructions you gave now. will see how that works.
[01:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T119: Dialogue for Lock screen] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119#2733
 I tested it in a fresh VM install so it should work.
 who looks after telegram-desktop package in ubuntu?
 It was giving me a warning that I don't have latest version.
 `apt changelog telegram-desktop`
 @kc2bez [apt changelog telegram-desktop], apt has 1.2.17 while snap has 1.8.15
 ggwp!
 What version are you running? 18.04?
 haa juno is based on bionic
 but I added ppas for libreoffice, wireguard, chrome and few others so I have latest versions of them.
 like I have libreoffice 6.3
 also hwe-enabled
 5.0 kernel so its all good. even if still in bionic.
[02:04] <kc2bez> !info telegram-desktop eoan
 The official app is at 1.8.15
 Downloaded from their website directly
 oh so its bionic's fault
[02:05] <kc2bez> indeed
 Well it's the universe, someone has to maintain it
 we could poke someone to get it into backports?
[02:24] <lynorian> guiverc: I understand  will think how to word it better
[02:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2c59c195a4aa: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2c59c195a4aa
[02:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL350eb1cf4c57: Style menu selection] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL350eb1cf4c57
 @kc2bez [The installer has been there but if you don't enable the i386 arch you will get …], Same for wine
[02:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALae2bb3aeb807: Update fcitx icon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALae2bb3aeb807
[02:56] <lynorian> guiverc do you have a way to improve the wording 
[02:56] <lynorian> I did find and fix some other problems
[03:21] <guiverc> lynorian, maybe in Usage (aforementioned page) : "Firstly ensure fcitx is running (keyboard icon should appear in tray), if you don't see it click System.Tools->Fcitx and a fcitx (keyboard looking) tray icon should appear to the right of the panel. To start the virtual keyboard right click...."  maybe  (ie. some text added in front of your existing is what I'd suggest - clean up as required, esp. System.Tools->Fcitx?
[04:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc43455aba2d9: Make it seem like autostart isn't a thing and add how to autostart if wanted] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc43455aba2d9
[09:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T119: Dialogue for Lock screen] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119#2736
 ^ @kc2bez
[10:04] <kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker: D60 is for rART
 oh. then a separate one is required.
 someone who is free please do this.
 its a small task only.
 https://youtu.be/XBSy0LHnTjA
[12:24] <xfix> When trying to register on Phabricator i'm getting an information that i should check my e-mail, but i'm not receiving any e-mail
[12:25] <xfix> i'm referring to https://phab.lubuntu.me/ by the way
[12:28] <xfix> anyway, i want to contribute a change to https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/pastebinit, so if this isn't a right place, then please point me to the right place
[13:03] <kc2bez> xfix: Your account will need to be approved by an administrator. wxl or @tsimonq2 can help you out. 
[13:04] <xfix> thanks :)
[13:04] <xfix> the message is sorta misleading asking to check e-mail however
 xfix: We typically don't approve accounts with unverified emails, but I'll make an exception because you don't seem like a spammer to me. :)
 Please do try to get your email verified ASAP
 But yes, it's the right place for pastebinit
[13:51] <xfix> i'm not receiving that e-mail
 We took that under our wing as Lubuntu since it wasn't being maintained at the Ubuntu level. That could change in the future if we get more widespread contributions etc.
 @xfix [<xfix> i'm not receiving that e-mail], @teward001 ^^
 Otherwise check spam
[13:54] <xfix> nothing in spam either
[13:54] <xfix> weird
[13:55] <xfix> unfortunately, i'm hosting an e-mail on external provider (still didn't get to move to self-hosted), so i cannot debug the issue
[13:57] <xfix> i cannot try with a different e-mail either, because i need to verify my e-mail to change it
 Weeeeird.
[14:02] <xfix> i also tried using `sendmail` to send mail to me from my cloud server, it works
[14:02] <xfix> unfortunately, i cannot really provide much information, as i'm simply not getting a verification e-mail
[14:05] <xfix> one theory i have is that if Phabricator is using e-mail delivery service, it's possible that its e-mail limit was reached, but it's just really a random guess, i have no idea really
[14:06] <xfix> or maybe my e-mail provider quietly removed the message without even bothering to put it into spam
[14:10] <xfix> in which case, it probably should respond with the reason for rejecting a message, but considering it's an automated message, that reason may as well go to /dev/null
[14:13] <xfix> i cannot do much on Phabricator without verifying my e-mail: https://nc.xfix.pw/s/GTxr5yJiF4prDEJ
[14:14] <xfix> i guess i may try making another account (cannot use username "xfix" as it's already registered)?
[14:15] <xfix> okay, so i got the verification message on gmail, how strange
[14:17] <xfix> smtp.lubuntu.me, self-hosted, valid SPF, no DKIM, huh, weird
 @teward001 is our in-house MTA wizard which is why I pinged :)
[14:18] <xfix> tsimonq2 okay, can you approve KonradBorowski account?
 Theeeere we go.
 Thanks xfix
[14:18] <xfix> thanks :)
 I appreciate your patience in this entire thing
 I suppose it does keep spammers down heh...
 We had problems before, thus the queue
[14:26] <xfix> and now i realize i didn't need this account for anything
[14:28] <xfix> okay, so contributions are proposed on Launchpad
 Nope
 I just haven't changed the README yet
 xfix: Propose it on Phab please
[14:42] <xfix> i don't know how
[14:43] <xfix> to be frank, i have no idea how to use Phab
 That's totally normal, not many people do. It's one of those medium learning curve things that once you get, it's pretty cool
[14:43] <xfix> i see code, but i don't see any way to submit a patch, fork a repo, or anything like that
 Hm, I see @aptghetto and wxl both started some docs on this
 You just need the arc CLI tool
 From the arcanist toolset
 I'll be honest with you too, you're the first non-Lubuntu code contribution we're having on the Phab instance, so it's fairly uncharted territory. Welcome :)
 https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/differential/
 tl;dr submit your diff here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/differential/diff/create/ or install the arcanist CLI tool and use `arc diff`
 If you have any specific questions, we'll be happy to answer them (and document those answers!)
[14:50] <xfix> i'm trying to figure out what test plan means currently
 "How can we manually test to make sure your changes don't break something?"
[14:54] <xfix> oh i see
 As a new contributor, I'm very interested to see what you think of the process and how it can be improved besides documentation
[15:03] <xfix> thanks :)
 No worries, I appreciate your patience :)
[15:05] <xfix> using Phabricator is somewhat... unusual
[15:05] <xfix> i'm pretty sure it makes sense, but it may be an obstacle to contributions
[15:06] <xfix> but i suppose if it makes life easier for core contributors, it may be worth it
[15:06] <xfix> (i can see the value of `arc` when you regularly contribute to a repository, not so much for one-off changes)
 Right, and that's understandable. Do you think that better documentation will make one-off contributions much easier or in your opinion is there still going to be that extra learning curve?
[15:10] <xfix> sending diff to https://phab.lubuntu.me/differential/diff/create doesn't seem too terrible (although i read what you wrote as "use `arc diff` to create this diff"), oh well
[15:11] <xfix> anyway i will leave for an hour or so, will be back
 Thanks!
 ^^ if someone other than myself has some spare time, it would be great if we could work on documentation for this use case
 Of course, I'm happy to help new contributors if they have any questions and I'm sure the rest of the team is too, but we really should just have some notes somewhere...
 xfix: for what Simon pinged me on, I'd need to know your email directly to track it
 possible the SMTP server fubard again though
 i'll have to dig
[16:45] <xfix> github@borowski.pw
 but i've got other things ahead on the radar.
 (for server team)
 xfix: Gandi which runs your mail rejected the message as spam
 nothing I can do about that one sorry
 wxl or @tsimonq2 around?
 @teward001 [wxl or @tsimonq2 around?], Yes
[17:02] <xfix> thanks :)
 @tsimonq2 @kc2bez  Updated D60.
 Test case and summary
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D60
[18:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Modified lubuntu-grub-theme: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D60
[23:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL946dbe0264ea: Add porcess field] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL946dbe0264ea
[23:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2198227f2f65: Add q to quit] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2198227f2f65