[05:29] morning everyone === hyperair is now known as Guest43106 [07:12] good morning [07:19] good morning desktoppers [07:19] salut didrocks [07:45] salut oSoMoN [07:55] fidencio, Hey, could you send me your preseed again? The paste expired === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [08:09] gooood morning desktopers! [08:33] salut seb128 [08:36] lut didrocks, comment va aujourd'hui ? [08:43] morning desktoppers [08:45] hey marcustomlinson, how are you? [08:45] seb128: I'm good thanks, you? [08:46] I'm good thanks! [08:46] I got proposed migration items a bit sorted out, we need you/libreoffice at this point to clear off items that are otherwise ready [08:50] seb128: la gorge qui gratte, mais ça va [08:50] k, cool que ça aille un peu mieux [08:51] brb, relocating [08:56] good morning marcustomlinson [09:02] hey hey [09:04] hey Laney, marcustomlinson [09:06] hey didrocks [09:07] hey Laney [09:07] moin seb128 [09:14] hey Laney, salut seb128 [09:15] lut oSoMoN [09:15] Laney, oSoMoN, how are you today? [09:15] I'm doing quite alright, despite a rough night (baby waking up every 30mins) [09:23] 😵 [09:23] * Laney is good [09:31] oSoMoN, :-( [09:32] waow :( [09:33] Laney, I did try to get on top of proposed-migrations issues and created card/tried to get things moved, I hope I didn't step on your toes too much while doing that [09:33] thx [09:33] no I didn't work on that too much [09:35] cool [10:23] google are killing cloud print :-o [10:25] Laney, did you read this somewhere? [10:25] yes [10:26] Laney, where? [10:26] but it's on that -> machine [10:26] so I suggest searching for it :P [10:26] Laney, so I do not need to pu effort on supporting it any more, nore promote it. [10:27] https://www.techradar.com/news/google-is-shutting-down-its-cloud-printing-service [10:27] Laney, seems that no one sends a print job to a printer which is far away from him. [10:28] Printing from a phone seems to be done nowadays by being close to a modern printer with driverless IPP support. [10:32] sending a print job to a printer far away used to be called a fax, isn't it? ;) [10:33] Laney, "it was particularly useful for Chrome OS users whose existing printers may not have been compatible with their Chromebooks or Chromeboxes.". This use case is now covered by driverless IPP printing. [10:33] for their existing printers? [10:33] Laney, and the Google Chrome guys were on the last 2 or 3 OpenPrinting/PWG Summits and picked up all of our nice driverless stuff. [10:34] Laney, at least for modern printers, and modern can mean something like up to 5 years old. I do not exactly know for how long there is AirPrint (the first driverless IPP standard) now. [10:35] Right [10:35] I'm saying "you don't need this thing, because you can get yourself some new hardware which works better" isn't that great [10:37] Only if you try with these stone-old, never-breaing HP printers with toner from eBay you are probably out of luck (if there is no generic PCL 5e support). [10:39] Laney, and perhaps (I do not have confirmation) Chrome OS already supports or will support Snap and so they have access to future printer drivers (Printer Applications). [11:24] jibel: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3b-XEPKLeVT~utEHATuQOg [11:26] fidencio, thanks. looking now [12:51] seb128, Wimpress, kenvandine, I am not able to make it to the meeting today, but my weekly summary is up. [12:51] jibel: let me know if you are able to, at least, reproduce the very same issue :-) [13:07] fidencio, yes, I will. [13:50] fidencio, where does it stop for you? [13:57] jibel: https://fidencio.fedorapeople.org/ubuntu_1910_issue.png [14:05] jibel: btw, happens when using the following media: http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso [14:09] fidencio, I'm testing on focal, but there shouldn't be much difference [14:13] jibel: interesting thing (at least for me) is that I haven't seen this issue before, and the issues doesn't happen with other medias or when doing a net-based installation [14:16] marcustomlinson, do you think you will have a chance to look at the libreoffice libiximion thing today? or maybe I can help and give it a try if you prefer?. [14:17] seb128: I am busy with it. You think you could help nudge libixion and liborcus through from proposed to main? [14:17] seb128: I assume those will need to be in main before I can have libreoffice depend on the, [14:17] them [14:19] they are available/ready [14:19] just stuck in proposed waiting on libreoffice [14:19] they can't move before/without it [14:19] oh ok, I'll have libreoffice pushed in a few [14:21] I've just had amd64 finish building in my ppa and manual testing looks good [14:22] thx [14:26] tkamppeter: Thanks. [14:26] Afternoon desktoppers. I'll debut driving the meeting this afternoon :-) [14:27] Wimpress: woot [14:27] :) [14:27] Let's not get carried away just yet ;-) [14:28] heh [14:29] kenvandine, Trevinho, tkamppeter, it was posted a bit late yesterday, but please update your bugs status on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/release-bugs-for-week-commencing-monday-25th-november-2019/13474 [14:29] o/ [14:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 [14:30] Meeting started Tue Nov 26 14:30:03 2019 UTC. The chair is Wimpress. 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[14:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Spooky Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: [14:30] Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell [14:30] _o/ [14:30] \o [14:30] hey there [14:30] o/ [14:30] hey [14:30] Hello team o/ [14:31] \o [14:31] Right, let's push on [14:31] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Spooky Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [14:31] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:32] Does look like any thing in there for us, right? [14:32] nope [14:32] *Does not [14:32] nope [14:32] looks like not [14:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:33] here [14:33] Hi hellsworth :-) [14:34] Not seeing anything obvious unassisgned in the above. [14:34] 1852315 ? [14:34] Wimpress, I usually sort by assigneed for that section and look at anything which is "unassigned" and !fix-commited|!incomplete [14:34] Although, embarrsingly, MATE Desktop stuff. [14:34] it's unasigned and not fix committed [14:35] Wimpress, don't look to unknown section but to desktop one [14:36] * seb128 encourage Wimpress, you can do it :) [14:36] tseliot_: What is the status of https://pad.lv/1852315 [14:36] Launchpad bug 1852315 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-435 (Ubuntu Eoan) "CVE‑2019‑5696 5697 5698" [Undecided,New] [14:36] seb128: I'm looking at the desktop stuff now :-) [14:37] Wimpress, that one does look like it make sense, should just be assigned to tseliot_ [14:37] so we can probably move to -dd bugs [14:39] OK. Everything else for Binonic looks good. [14:39] +1 :) [14:39] woot [14:39] yeh, looking at -tracking is really only to find ones that people directly nominated without going through the process [14:39] Skip dd completely seb128 or just look at bug tracking tasks? [14:40] all the rest will have been assigned already [14:40] why add it to dd and not ee or ff? [14:40] Wimpress, I looked at dd reports, nothing on incoming nor tracking so you can skip it [14:41] OK [14:41] #topic rls-ee-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Spooky Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: rls-ee-bugs [14:41] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:41] and yeah, usually bugs are also on new serie (but sometime not and users nominate only for the one they care about/use) [14:41] Looks to be in hand ^ [14:41] +1 [14:41] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:42] wait [14:42] * Wimpress waits... [14:42] we still need to either nominate it and assign to Till, or tag that as notfixing to not track it [14:42] otherwise we'll see it in incoming next week [14:43] it's assigned [14:43] not nominated [14:43] I don't think it looks a rls issue at this point [14:43] right [14:43] then notfixing [14:43] I was typing :p [14:43] yeah, -1 from me [14:43] I'm just saying you need to do one or the other to get it off the list [14:44] right, I agree [14:44] no opinion on which [14:44] I hit enter too soon [14:44] read my 2 lines as one :p [14:44] sorry if that was confusing [14:44] so my vote is -notficing [14:44] fixing [14:44] others? [14:45] (only 129 reports total on 19.10 from the error tracker, which is low) [14:45] ±0 [14:45] sounds ok to me, not sure Till acknowledged the assignment though so it might get missed [14:45] idk if this package is broken, we should fix it for ff since it would be a lts - or remove the package [14:45] so i would vote for fixing it [14:46] kenvandine, can you make sure tkamppeter saw it being filed/assigned to him? [14:46] yeah [14:46] thx [14:46] OK to move on to ff? [14:47] yeah ;) [14:47] Wimpress, I think you have team input, so your call to either nominate for $series or to change to tag to rls-ee-notfixing [14:47] #topic rls-ff-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Spooky Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: rls-ff-bugs [14:47] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:47] Wimpress, ^ you need to do one of those actions on the previous bug [14:48] -notfixing doesn't mean we are not going to fix it, just that we don't accept it to be tracked as a release issue and will use the standard process [14:48] seb128: OK, what is the mechanism for doing that? [14:48] if you accept it you click "target to series" under the bugs table [14:48] and select the series you want to track it for [14:49] if you think it doesn't need special rls tracking, as said change the tag to rls-ee-notfixing [14:49] rls-ee-incoming -> rls-ee-notfixing [14:50] Which bug nuber are you referring to? [14:50] the till one [14:51] 1851918 [14:52] OK, that should be updated accordingly. [14:52] hellsworth: i've pinged tkamppeter about that one [14:52] Wimpress, thx, we can move to ff then :) [14:53] OK. [14:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1853112 [14:53] Ubuntu bug 1853112 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Applications are closed when killing the Shell (like on a hang)" [Undecided,New] [14:53] I think it's worth nominating [14:53] and from this week summary, Laney started looking at it [14:53] sounds good, that can be assigned to me [14:53] OK [14:53] but I would be shocked if that bug wasn't a duplicate [14:53] \o/ [14:54] Laney: I didn't find any other [14:54] ok [14:54] Laney wins a bug. [14:54] :-) [14:54] NOthing else there that isn't in hand already. [14:54] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:54] the MIR one there needs to be nominated or tagged -notfixing [14:55] either would work, it's the MIR team queue [14:56] So, is libmail-authenticationresults-perl not in main right now? [14:56] correct [14:56] But on the 19.10 image? [14:56] no [14:56] it blocks a libmail-dkim-perl update in focal-proposed [14:56] that bug is assigned already [14:56] nomin8 it [14:57] imho [14:57] that works yes [14:57] I agree. What is the mechanism to nominate something? [14:57] i'm happy to keep on with this mir [14:57] target to series, focal, assign to hellsworth [14:57] It is nominated for ff. [14:57] delete the incoming tag [14:58] Wimpress: it can't be on official image if not in main (technically speaking, it will be an iso build failure with "unknown package") [14:58] OK, should be correctly nominated for ff now. [14:58] * marcustomlinson reads: It is nominated ffs. [14:59] cool [14:59] Move on to the next topic? [14:59] ff-tracking looks good, so yeah [14:59] +1 [14:59] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Spooky Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [15:00] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [15:00] yeah [15:01] dunno what happened last week [15:01] did these get assigned? [15:01] there's a few of those that should be cleared out with the libreoffice upload I just did [15:01] Laney, I think everything in the list is being handled [15:01] half of it should unblock with libreoffice [15:01] ok [15:02] (xorg-server waiting list is scary, probably autopkgtests running ;)) [15:02] the other one are a MIR waiting review, librsvg which is being worked on and a few issue from Debian being discussed there [15:02] oSoMoN: Are you still fighting with librsvg? [15:02] it's bug #1853657, I'll update to 2.46 [15:02] bug 1853657 in librsvg (Ubuntu) "librsvg 2.44.15 FTBFS in focal" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1853657 [15:02] Laney, in fact I lied about one, libxml is blocked by postgresql-12 ... do you know if anyone is looking at that? [15:03] nope [15:03] it's not for out team though and I would expect it's being handled, unsure who to ping though [15:03] maybe need to check with server team [15:03] * seb128 wants p_iti :) [15:03] probably in ubuntu-devel [15:03] +t [15:03] right [15:03] what is glm? [15:03] why do we own all this weird stuff ._. [15:03] GL maths library. [15:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+bug/1176083 [15:04] Ubuntu bug 1176083 in glm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] glm" [Undecided,Fix released] [15:04] Robert! :) [15:04] (Mir requirement) [15:04] Mirrrr [15:05] we should reassign that to Saviq [15:05] yeah, I think that should be their team [15:05] are they a main owning team these days? [15:05] would be good if so [15:05] we should talk about that [15:05] looks like it [15:05] * seb128 takes a note to discuss it in the manager meeting later [15:05] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html#mir-team [15:06] Seems reasonable. [15:06] so we can probably move that one after asking [15:06] \o/ [15:06] yep ;) [15:06] so I guess that's it [15:06] :-) [15:06] why does that mir-team not have libmail-authenticationresults-perl? [15:06] ANything else in there we need to assign or find another owner for? [15:06] Saviq, can you subscribe the mir team to glm? [15:06] Nicve try hellsworth ;-) [15:07] ha [15:07] im serious [15:07] I suggest all -perl -> other teams ;) [15:07] isn't the mir team supposed to review the mirs? [15:07] +1 :-) [15:07] it's Mir not MIR [15:07] must be a newbie question [15:07] ah yeah puzzling [15:07] as in ... [15:07] #namingthingsishard [15:07] mir as in the os? [15:07] hellsworth: Mir is a display server, like xorg, not MIR (Main Inclusion Request) [15:07] https://mir-server.io/ [15:07] right [15:07] that thing [15:08] lucky there isn't a mIR team [15:08] ok that mir is the only mir i was aware of before joining the team :) [15:08] ok [15:08] two mirs [15:08] oSoMoN: Give it time. [15:08] still only two [15:08] or a MiR or mIr or… :) [15:08] not as many as we've had autopilots [15:08] Time for AOB? [15:08] Laney: heh ;) [15:08] yeah, looks like time for AOB [15:08] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Spooky Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: AOB [15:08] Anyone have anything else they want to discuss? [15:09] not from me [15:09] anope [15:09] neither [15:09] nothing here [15:09] seb128: what am I doing again? [15:09] You just agree to own the glm package in main Saviq :-) [15:10] Saviq, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+subscribe [15:10] Saviq, and subscribe the mir team, so the package mapping is showing the correct owner [15:10] since it seems the only reason it is in main is mir [15:10] ETOOMANYTEAMS [15:10] indeed [15:11] the subscribe dialog could use filtering or keyboard completion [15:11] seb128: but subscribed [15:11] Saviq, thx! [15:11] ofc [15:11] Saviq: Thanks. [15:11] now, it's stuck in -proposed, go fix it :p [15:11] lol [15:11] "btw…" ;) [15:11] sneaky b… [15:11] Saviq, it's being handled in Debian don't worry [15:11] Well played team. [15:12] haha [15:12] Wimpress: that's how you run them, eh? [15:12] :-) [15:12] I have an AOB topic, if noone else has anything. [15:13] dunno about don't worry, still good to keep an eye, no guarantees there [15:13] go [15:13] Saviq, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=940906 for reference, the autopkgtest got broken by the removal of the cmake file which looks like upstream is bringing back, so probably just wait for upstream/debian and it will automagically resolve [15:13] Debian bug 940906 in src:glm "glm: autopkgtest regression: CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:6 (find_package):" [Important,Open] [15:13] but yeah, still keep an eye in case it needs some nagging [15:13] Wimpress, go! [15:14] Wanted to discuss the idea have this meeting at alternating times every other week. [15:14] what times? [15:14] Basically, so we can do this with the team members from down under. [15:14] I have given the time much thought yet. [15:14] we used to do that but 1am meeting wasn't really working [15:15] it cost to the team more than it's worth imho [15:15] Just wanted to see if it has been tried before or what you all think about the idea. [15:15] that would mean early morning, without US but with NZ/AU? [15:15] or just US/NZ/AU? [15:15] don't think we have any working day overlap with robert_ancell [15:15] maybe the US does [15:15] yep we do [15:15] or everyone in turn with every n weeks some people up at 1am for an IRC meeting (we had that at some point in the past) [15:15] but between US/EU/AU pick 2 [15:15] I have meetings with RObert at 8pm UK time regarding snap store. [15:16] which is like 6am for James? [15:16] there is still like 3 hours between Robert and James [15:17] Yeah, I know this isn't easy. [15:17] I don't think asking anyone to have a meeting at 1am is reasonable. [15:17] it's really tough [15:17] i think kenvandine and i are the only us ones. i'm happy to meet in the evening if it helps [15:18] So, the idea is OK. Just needs some actual thought regarding logistics? [15:18] it's still going to be inconvenient for people, either earlier or conflciting with familly life, dinner, activities... [15:18] I don't think it's worth the cost [15:19] i agree [15:19] but just my opinion [15:19] OK. [15:19] if we don't want to exclude half the team maybe think about fully go async? [15:19] or we make the attendance optional, and have rolling time, so, it can be once US/AU, once US/EU, (and maybe EU/AU?) [15:19] e.g drop the meeting and just use discourse... [15:19] I do think it's a nice idea to have US/AU community around for a meeting time [15:19] or what didrocks says could also worth [15:20] maybe change the meeting purpose [15:20] feels like a chat for a retrospective in a sprint at this point [15:20] we have bugs & activity on discourse [15:20] to me anyway [15:20] make it a sync point/office hour slot [15:20] Laney: Good idea! [15:20] +1 [15:20] personally I don't agree that the rls stuff would be good on discourse, that works nicely in real time I think [15:20] but time zones do sucks [15:20] -s [15:21] Right, I'll think on that some more and we can chat about it together. [15:21] ta [15:21] I'm done. Anything else? [15:21] nothing from me [15:21] 3... [15:21] travel [15:22] folks should do that real quick [15:22] that is all [15:22] indeed [15:22] Good point hellsworth [15:22] not from me [15:22] * didrocks is dealing with atpi, sounds train is complex for them :) [15:22] oh, as we do reminders [15:22] @online training :) [15:22] is there an official due date for the online training? [15:22] deadline is next Wednesday I beleive [15:22] ah ok [15:23] they said end of the month [15:23] well it was said 1 month from access which was 4 Nov [15:23] but I emailed saying it was not possible for some people who were in holidays and they replied "do you best then" [15:23] your* [15:23] End of this week is the target I believe. [15:23] so I think it's not an well defined line, they just wanted to push people to get it done [15:24] sure ok thanks [15:24] And, I also heard there is some wiggle room. === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Thanksgiving Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26 | Current topic: AOB [15:24] lulz [15:24] :) [15:24] All finished? [15:24] wonder if that'll break meetingology [15:24] yep ;) [15:24] yep [15:24] or if meetingology will break it [15:25] should not, I think the bot is mart [15:25] smart [15:25] Thanks everyone. [15:25] thanks! [15:25] 2... [15:25] a smart bot? there is no such thing [15:25] Wimpress, thx, well done handling your first meeting :) [15:25] 1... [15:25] Thanks seb128 [15:25] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Spooky Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle [15:25]