[00:16] <jpmh> I'm using netgogs with ubuntu 18.4 and seeing lines likeL       ? root     107.161.28.126:47052-107.161.28.117:11211  ... - neither of those two ip addresses are on my network 0 am I missing something or is there some mis-configuration here?
[00:18] <sarnold> what's netgogs supposed to do?
[00:18] <jpmh> sarnold: it is supposed and does seem to show traffic by process - I am new to it too, hence y query
[00:19] <jpmh> and I mean nethogs - with an H not gogs - oops
[00:19] <sarnold> both those IPs are listed as ramnode -- are you using them for something?
[00:20] <jpmh> sarn
[00:20] <jpmh> sarnold: yes - the server that I am using is a kvm instance at ramnode
[00:20] <jpmh> just those addresses are not on MY networks and for that matter port 11211 is not open
[00:22] <sarnold> jpmh: oh weird. the nethogs manpage on die.net suggests it's a pcap tool; so I could believe that traffic elsewhere in their network is visible to you
[00:22] <sarnold> jpmh: but how's it assign a process number and owner in that case?
[00:23] <jpmh> sarnold: I am completely ignorant of this - the only thing that even caused me to download/install nethogs was that I did notice slightly higher than expected bacndwidth
[00:24] <jpmh> the other part that is weird is I see only those addresses and MY REAL ones
[00:24] <sarnold> jpmh: does ip link or ip addr give you results you expect?
[00:24] <jpmh> sarnold: let me check - good idea
[00:25] <sarnold> jpmh: it might not hurt to try a raw tcpdump and see if you can see traffic that you're sure you're not generating -- if it's true that customers can see each other's traffic, you really need to know before you do something sensitive on it
[00:25] <sarnold> jpmh: (obreminder, don't just tcpdump while your ssh or mosh is going, you'll drown -- save it to a file and inspect that :)
[00:26] <jpmh> sarnold: GREAT idea - I will check  - interestingly enough - I ahve 900 other instances up and checks randomly on some of them ALL LOOK GOOD - and the i add and ip link did give what I expected
[00:26] <jpmh> your help had been GREAT - ty
[00:26] <tds> "port not 22" is your friend ;)
[00:26] <jpmh> just haing someone else to discuss this with has given GREAT clarity
[00:27] <sarnold> jpmh: sometimes it's super-helpful to have a rubber duck around that asks questions :)
[00:28] <jpmh> sarnold: yes - I used to have a great dog  - you could try and explain anything to him - his clariy was invaluable
[00:29] <sarnold> jpmh: awwww <3 what a good dog
[00:29] <jpmh> sarnold: so, thank you so much
[00:29] <jpmh> sarnold: I think I'm about to contact ramnode - they are incredible and have GREAT support
[00:29] <sarnold> some dogs herd sheep, some dogs search for people stranded in avalanches or earthquakes, and some dogs help look for bugs in software
[00:30] <sarnold> jpmh: nice! I've got a memory of someone cool working for them but can't recall now who that is :) nice to know that the reputation goes beyond whoever that was
[00:30] <jpmh> sarnold: but the avalanche ones at least have a barrel of brandy at their mecks - I never taught my software assistant to even ring me a beer
[00:31] <jpmh> sarnold: I have 1100 coffee shops running POS software and we have a cloud instance of each too
[00:31] <sarnold> then you think you'd be able to get a coffee at least, if not brandy
[00:33] <jpmh> sarnold: LOL
[00:34] <jpmh> sarnold: making a ticket for ramnode right now - realistically all important and confidential data never gets to the cloud - so not super critical - but I wpould at least like to understand it
[00:36] <jpsharp> Hey folks.  can someone point me in the right direction of some network issues?  On Bionic Beaver, I'm using /etc/network/interfaces to set up bond0.   That works, but the two slave interfaces also get dhcp addresses even though they're not specified as "dhcp" in the interfaces file.  Even if I assign a throwaway IP to them, the dhcp address doesn't get removed.
[00:37] <sarnold> jpmh: cool :) if you get a chance to report back I'd really be curious to hear if I jumped to a conclusion too quickly or not :)
[00:38] <jpmh> I'll post here - and if you are interested I can eMail you a copy of their response
[00:38] <tds> jpsharp: hmm, sounds like some other dhcp client is running, can you just eg grep the output of ps to see what it might be?
[00:38] <tds> i'd guess dhclient/dhcpcd/systemd-networkd
[00:39] <jpmh> I'm juest testing instances at other providers right now - ramnode is my fav but we do use a lot of different ones
[00:40] <tds> jpmh: have you confirmed what traffic you're seeing exactly? eg if it's just broadcast traffic on a shared lan, that sounds normal
[00:40] <sarnold> jpsharp: what does networkctl report for the interfaces?
[00:41] <jpsharp> enp130s0f0:   routable configuring.   enp130s0f1:   carrier (it's unplugged right now).   bond0: routable, unmanaged.
[00:42] <jpsharp> I see systemd-networkd rnuning.  No other dh* processes.
[00:43] <tds> probably worth poking around to find the networkd config that sounds like it's causing it - was this a fresh bionic install with networking set up through the installer?
[00:43] <tds> if so, you'll probably have a netplan config, and then netplan generating a networkd config
[00:43] <sarnold> "configuring" gives me the impression that systemd-network is trying to configure it itself
[00:44] <sarnold> heh, what tds said :D
[00:44] <tds> netplan config lives in /etc/netplan or something similar, it'll render a networkd config into /var/run/systemd/network or something
[00:44] <jpsharp> ah.  Yes.  there's enp130s0f0 dhcp4 yes.
[00:44] <jpsharp> in netplan.
[00:44] <tds> ah, that'd do it
[00:45] <jpsharp> Hmm.  I told preseed to not use netplan.
[00:45] <tds> :(
[00:45] <sarnold> :(
[00:45] <tds> i didn't realise installs going via preseed even got netplan
[00:46] <jpsharp> oh.  I didn't use it in the right place.  I put it in the preseed file, but not to the kernel boot config.
[01:02] <jpsharp> Yeah, setting the "dont use netplan" in the kernel boot did the right thing.  Thanks for the help, folks
[01:06] <jpmh> sarnold: I already got a response from ranode even though I categorized it as medium priority - I'm not sure I agree with t and have asked for more details - they say I am probably just seeing other ode broadcast traffice and not to worry - I'm not sure I agree, so have asked a suplemental
[01:36] <sarnold> jpmh: yeah, I'm not sure how i feel about that either; on the one hand, everyone's become accustomed to having their own private networking, on the other hand, maybe everyone being in the same ethernet domain's got other benefits, eg price etc..
[02:35] <jpmh> sarnold: final rsolution from Ramnode - they DID have a network issue that was routing traffice to my instance even though I was correctly configured
[02:38] <sarnold> jpmh: beautiful :D nice catch
[02:38] <sarnold> I mean, it's weird / worrying that that can happen, but they sound like the kind of bunch that'd go to some effort to keep that from happening again
[02:39] <sarnold> jpmh: thanks for reporting back! :)
[02:39] <jpmh> sarnold: that's what they said too.  Another example of why I like them so much - they admitted it, thanked me, sent me a credit which I don't really deserved and fixed it all in a matter of a couple of hours even tough I only repirted it as a medum priority question
[02:40] <jpmh> sarnold: the good news was that my instance did block all the traffice.  In fact that was what gave me the question in the first place since I was seeing more incoming than outgoinf, which is unusual on a server of any type
[02:42] <sarnold> jpmh: in contrast, friday jpmorgan chase sent out an email that had a busted link; I reported the problem within an hour or something, and it took several days before I was able to get someone who could pass along the email headers of the busted email in question...
[02:43] <sarnold> jpmh: and today finally a replacement email, and their message about it includes a ${C_VARCHARDATA1} in it. heh.
[02:43] <jpmh> sarnold: yes - this is why I use Ramnode - the only reason I have hundreds of instances at other providers too is so that I do not have all eggs in one basket
[02:43] <sarnold> jpmh: nice that ramnode's got far more nimble staff :D
[02:44] <sarnold> yeah makes good sense
[02:44] <sarnold> especially since being flexible with where you've got them hosted means you *have* to be flexible in redploying them elsewhere if needed
[02:44] <sarnold> jpmh: hooray for your good monitoring :)
[02:44] <vacho> how do I check disk space on ubuntu
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> vacho: df -h
[02:45] <jpmh> sarnold: for example we have a lot of instances at kudoHosting - who are very good EXCEPT their support is so slow it becomes annoying - they are by far the cheapest - $15/year for a 2G single core machine with 10TB of transfer and 160G of disk - but the support is just not there
[02:45] <jpmh> vacho: df
[02:45] <sarnold> jpmh: at $15/year I'm not surprised, they lose money if they even *look* at a support ticket
[02:47] <jpmh> sarnold: yes - I agree - and they even have an $8 / per year - I do use them for DNS servers at that price though - and their $15/year for serving images and other static content
[02:47] <jpmh> but they are only vps not kvm too
[02:48] <sarnold> jpmh: hehe that sounds like about the best use of that featureset, yeah :)
[02:49] <jpmh> I need enough servers that I have nothered to look - saving a few bucks a month when you have one or two matters little - I have literally thousadnds
[02:50] <tds> the trick is to just automate all the things that people email you about, then in theory all your support tickets go away ;)
[02:52] <sarnold> :D
[02:52] <tds> in reality it just gets boring and tedious probably :P
[02:53] <jpmh> tds, I agree with that - but the two vendors I was discussing clearly have not yet done that
[02:54] <jpmh> actually, we make use of aws for email and they have covered it a different way - they ust have such great documentation that you don't need support
[02:54] <tds> oh, this is from the weird traffic thing earlier
[02:54] <tds> did you ever actually confirm what traffic you were seeing, whether it was broadcast traffic or what?
[02:55] <Xenoslyce> if anyone can see this message please say ei
[02:56] <akk> ei?
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> akk: printer bug getting progress?
[02:59] <akk> lotuspsychje: Nothing yet.
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> akk: 19.04 worked right?
[03:00] <akk> Right, lotuspsychje
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> akk: what about 19.10 with another mainline kernel?
[03:01] <akk> For both printers, though I only filed about the Dell.
[03:01] <akk> A different kernel? I wouldn't think that the kernel would have anything to do with this?
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> akk: you think its the driver database only then?
[03:02] <akk> lotuspsychje: Yes, that seems most likely since it offers several options that all do the wrong thing.
[03:03] <akk> It's not having trouble talking to the printer, it's just sending the wrong codes, or at least that's how it seems to me.
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> akk: but then that sounds weird, one would presume drivers would support over all ubuntu versions right?
[03:03] <akk> lotuspsychje: Not if they changed the drivers from 19.04 to 19.10.
[03:04] <akk> The drivers or something about the way CUPS accesses them, it's a complicated system I don't really grok.
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> akk: driverless printing was introduced from 17.10 if i can recall?
[03:04] <akk> I wish I did, maybe I could figure out what directories to copy from 19.04 to make things work.
[03:05] <akk> I'm not sure, I'm unclear on exactly what driverless means in this context.
[03:05] <akk> I should probably try to google it, but I've never had much luck in the past googling anything about cups/printer documentation
[03:05] <akk> so I confess I have a bad attitude of assuming there isn't any.
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> akk: i had a similar problem on 18.04 where hplip didnt have support for my new HP printer, but that was due they didnt add the 'new' model yet to the database
[03:06] <akk> I should mention neither of these printers worked on Debian without downloading the drivers from the manufacturers
[03:07] <akk> and I may end up doing that
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> akk: thats even more weird..
[03:07] <akk> but 19.04 was so nice in how it Just Worked with everything built in, no need for proprietary downloads.
[03:24] <k_sze> What does this mean? odbcinst1debian2 : PreDepends: multiarch-support but it is not installable
[03:29] <jpmh> sarnold: Ramnode just eMailed me more - they had a switch mis-configuration that was ruting traffic to me by accident
[03:29] <Bashing-om> k_sze: What release are you on ? What shows ' apt list multiarch-support ' ?
[03:30] <k_sze> Bashing-om, 19.10 Eoan (actually it's Pop!_OS, but we all know Pop!_OS is basically Ubuntu with a new skin).
[03:31] <k_sze> `apt list multiarch-suupport` shows nothing
[03:32] <Bashing-om> k_sze: Yeah - dropped in 19.10 from debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=910669
[03:32] <k_sze> Ah crap.
[03:32] <Bashing-om> !info multiarch-support | bionic
[03:34] <k_sze> Just curious, what exactly is multiarch-support?
[03:37] <k_sze> So it debuted in Debian Wheezy and then was killed off in Buster. That didn't last very long.
[03:43] <Bashing-om> k_sze: Multi- architecures: in my case " cat /var/lib/dpkg/arch >> amd64 i386".
[04:07] <bigboy360> i have a 9 inch penis
[07:07] <crandon> Hi, I was wondering if anybody else is experiencing chrome being frozen after laptop coming back from suspend. It doesn't happen all the time, but a couple of times a week. I gogle, but did not find any open tickets.
[07:26] <ptux> i've a second hd installed. i'd like to see it mounted for all users of my pc. in fstab i wrote: UUID=363bfbb3-5612-4762-ad50-1757bf216133 /mnt/storage ext4 rw,users,exec 0 0
[07:26] <ptux>  but when i try to create a folder or a doc in this disk, it says i've not the required permissions.
[07:27] <ptux> anybody can help me in make it work properly?
[07:27] <Ben64> depends how you want it to work
[07:28] <Ben64> normally if someone creates a file/directory only they would have access to write or modify that
[07:29] <ptux> i want to mount the device at the boot and grant to my user the chance to save on it, creating folder or docs, according to my needs.
[07:30] <Ben64> oh you said all users before
[07:30] <ptux> the users of my pc. :D
[07:30] <Ben64> are the different users on linux though
[07:30] <ptux> but to begin also the main user is enough
[07:30] <ptux> yes, a couple.
[07:31] <Ben64> then if you want that, you might need ACLs or a common group
[07:32] <ptux> can u explain me how to do it?
[07:33] <Ben64> if you want just your user to be able to write stuff, then you just need to become the owner
[07:37] <ptux> Ben64, is it enough a sudo chown username:username /mountpoint?
[07:38] <Ben64> to have your user have access, yes
[07:39] <ptux> while to grant a group of users i can use username:users
[07:39] <ptux> ?
[07:42] <Ben64> ptux: no
[07:42] <sephermacronix> list
[07:44] <ptux> Ben64, then what?
[07:45] <Ben64> either ACLs or a common group, like I said before
[07:46] <ptux> ok, i never used alcs. i'll read some documentation.
[07:46] <ptux> thanks for now.
[08:26] <nklap> I've built BlueZ from source and now I'm trying to start the bluetooth deadmon but I get the following error: "Failed to start bluetooth.service: Unit bluetooth.service is masked.". What does that mean?
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> nklap: we dont support owned compiled software here, use packages from the official repos instead
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> nklap: whats your endgoal exactly? what are you trying to make work?
[08:30] <nklap> lotuspsychje: The precompiled BlueZ package doesn't have mesh enabled. This is the reason I need to compile it from source. I want mesh to be enabled.
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> wich ubuntu version are you on?
[08:36] <nklap> lotuspsychje: 18.04. Unmasking did the trick but updating the bluez package will probably override my manual install
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> !info bluez bionic
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> there's a snap bluez too, but i see the version from apt is newer
[08:57] <metnel> If I want gio mount to prompt me for a password again when I open a samba share via nautilus, what is the correct way to go at it?
[09:05] <fred__tv> I need to access Lucid repository, as in sources.list i have http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and lucid is no more present, I can find EN version into http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  any idea about old source for IT ?
[09:09] <neoclust> Hi
[09:09] <neoclust> i don't find any linux-firmware-nonfree deb in recet ubuntu ( like focal )
[09:09] <neoclust> where can i find it ?
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> neoclust: focal support in #ubuntu+1 please
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> fred__tv: EOL releases we cant support anymore here sorry
[09:26] <fred__tv> ok
[09:40] <k_sze> erm... why is gnome-shell taking up 5 GiB *resident* RAM?
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: to have gnome smooth working i would advice at least 4gb ram and tweak system a bit
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: gnome versions from 19.04 and higher will work smoother then 18.04
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: very reccomended is 8GB ram combined with an ssd
[09:44] <k_sze> lotuspsychje, I have 16 GiB
[09:44] <k_sze> RAM, that is.
[09:44] <k_sze> *and* SSD
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: and you are on 18.04?
[09:44] <k_sze> 19.10
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: are you using gnome extensions?
[09:46] <k_sze> Yes, I definitely have some extensions enabled.
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: those can influence gnome alot, first thing the devs will ask when filing a bug, is to disabled extensions
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: this is what i do for a smooth gnome: install preload, haveged, bleachbit (clean out system), tweak startup items, disable unwanted systemd services
[09:48] <k_sze> I think gnome-shell is leaking memory.
[09:48] <k_sze> It keeps bloating up.
[09:49] <k_sze> It is not closing in on 6 GiB.
[09:49] <k_sze> Let me log out and re-log-in.
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> k_sze: the memory leaking bug should be solved some time now..try to disable your extensions
[09:55] <k_sze> It is now at 9.4 GiB after logging out and re-logging in, wtf? lol
[09:55] <k_sze> rebooting
[09:57] <k_sze> 195 MiB now. much better
[10:00] <imi> hi
[10:02] <imi> at the dawn of USB booting there was a liveCD to boot usb on machines unable to boot usb. now I'm struggling with usb booting on my UEFI machine (it works but it pollutes the UEFI boot menu with unwanted ubuntu entries). is that live cd project still alive? can it be used to boot from USB on UEFI machines?
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> imi: plop boot cd can boot on old machines that cant boot from usb
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> imi: but uefi machines are not that old
[10:06] <imi> lotuspsychje: yes. as I've said my problem is not oldness. however if I dd an ubuntu install cd on a penrdive, it does not pollute the UEFI boot menu when booting. that's why I thought an intermediate boot medium can be a solution
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> imi: ok, https://www.plop.at/en/home.html
[10:16] <imi> ok thank you
[10:19] <Lauxley> Hi, anyone willing to help me try to figure out why my second monitor is not detected on a dell laptop with ubuntu 18.04?
[10:31] <BlastuR> hey! i have an ubuntu system where i want to avoid upgrading the kernel (because there are a few proprietary kernel modules in the system that only works with the current kernel version). What package do need to "hold" to prevent apt-get from upgrading the kernel? When I do "apt-get dist-upgrade", I see that it for example plans to upgrade the package called "linux-generic". But there is also
[10:31] <BlastuR> linux-firmware, linux-base, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic etc. Is there a single package i can "hold" to prevent upgrading anything related to the kernel? This is on Ubuntu 16 BTW
[10:46] <Ben64> BlastuR: good news, the kernel only gets security patches and not version upgrades in ubuntu, so you can upgrade
[10:47] <Lauxley> same exact problem it seems (not solved): https://askubuntu.com/questions/1121132/hdmi-not-detected-on-ubuntu-18-04
[11:14] <Gaming4LifeDe> Hi. How can i compile packages of older ubuntu versions for eoan? In short, i want to compile network-manager wireguard form github but it needs stuff like libnm-glib-dev which are not available for eoan for some reason
[11:18] <tomreyn> Lauxley: you are most likely running a different kernel version, so it won't be the "same exact problem". the screen is initialized during X startup (it actually starts up twice, once for gdm, then again after you login there), see those related logs:   journalctl -b | fgrep /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:20] <Lauxley> tomreyn, thx for answering, what am i looking for in those logs?
[11:20] <Ben64> Gaming4LifeDe: newer versions of Ubuntu use netplan
[11:21] <Gaming4LifeDe> Ben64 can you expain?
[11:21] <Ben64> no longer using network manager
[11:22] <tomreyn> Lauxley: lines about "Output" and "EDID"
[11:23] <tomreyn> also modelines
[11:24] <Gaming4LifeDe> Ben64 but everything uses networkmanager, even the applets and the gnome tray, how could it just be ripped out?
[11:24] <Ben64> Gaming4LifeDe: been like that since at least 18.04
[11:24] <tomreyn> Ben64: i think netplan is only used on ubuntu server by default, desktops continue to default to network manager, no?
[11:24] <Ben64> tomreyn: don't think so?
[11:25] <tomreyn> i do, though :)
[11:25] <Gaming4LifeDe> well i can definitely still run nmcli
[11:26] <Ben64> desktop is netplan also
[11:26] <Gaming4LifeDe> netplan.io is installed but netplan is not
[11:26] <Ben64> "Ubuntu server generates Netplan configuration file for system-networkd named 01-netcfg.yaml, while Ubuntu desktop generates a Netplan configuration file for Network-Manager named 01-network-manager-all.yaml."
[11:26] <Ben64> weird
[11:27] <Gaming4LifeDe> why do so many distros create such a mess out of this whole thing?
[11:27] <Ben64> stuff gotta change sometimes
[11:28] <Gaming4LifeDe> there's one thing i like about RHEL and CentOS: plain network manager. not extra fuzz. it's just that those are not good distros for desktops
[11:28] <tomreyn> Ben64: so the correct answer would be that, on desktop installations, netplan is used, defaulting to the NetworkManager renderer.
[11:28] <Gaming4LifeDe> Ben64 yeah but why in this case? was there any reason to change it?
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Gaming4LifeDe: lets not use this channel for complaints or discussions
[11:28] <Gaming4LifeDe> lotuspschje alright
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Gaming4LifeDe: feel free to talk about ubuntu changes in #ubuntu-discuss
[11:29] <Gaming4LifeDe> ok
[11:29] <Gaming4LifeDe> i still want to know how i'd get network-manager-wireguard working
[11:31] <tomreyn> this channel mostly focuses on using what ubuntu provides
[11:31] <tomreyn> there may be a PPA or snap for what you're looking for
[11:31] <tomreyn> !PPA
[11:32] <tomreyn> !snap
[11:32] <Ben64> from a quick googling, network-manager >= 1.16 supports wireguard out of the box
[11:32] <Ben64> so you might not need anything else?
[11:33] <Lauxley> tomreyn, idk, looks like it doesn't even try to check the usb for monitors?? all i see is DP or HDMI
[11:33] <Gaming4LifeDe> Ben64 i have 1.20
[11:33] <Lauxley> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/f2ln sory
[11:34] <Gaming4LifeDe> Ben64 the plugin does not exist. yes, i installed wireguard, wireguard-tools and wireguard-dkms
[11:34] <tomreyn> Lauxley: are you referring to hdmi over usb-c?
[11:36] <Lauxley> tomreyn, not sure let me try to search what you mean
[11:37] <tomreyn> Lauxley: it could help to look at   lsusb|nc termbin.com 9999
[11:39] <tomreyn> did you boot using usbcore.autosuspend=-1 in an attempt to work around this issue?
[11:40] <Lauxley> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/ue5kRYyj the first one is with the screen plugged in, the second one without
[11:40] <Lauxley> I didn't
[11:42] <Lauxley> It's usb type c on the screen side and regular usb on the laptop side (i think)
[11:43] <tomreyn> Lauxley: so what you seem to have there is a usb connected docking station with a vga graphics card in it?
[11:43] <Lauxley> I also have a DP cable but no way to use right now
[11:44] <Lauxley> tomreyn, no docking station, could it be included in the laptop?
[11:46] <tomreyn> Lauxley: a laptop docking station that's included in a laptop makes little sense to me. ;)
[11:46] <tomreyn> i guess i just jumped to conclusions then due to the additional USB devices
[11:47] <Lauxley> tomreyn, yeah i have a mouse a keyboard and a laptop all directly plugged in, I can remove them if it makes things easier
[11:47] <Lauxley> a monitor* (not a laptop)
[11:48] <tomreyn> it would probably helpü to know the exact laptop model ( journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:' ), how the non-working screen is connected, and which model it is.
[11:49] <tomreyn> it's worth a try to temporarily remove any usb devices you don't strictly need and see whether the second screen then shows up in Settings
[11:49] <Lauxley> laptop model is Dell Inc. Latitude 5590/0MM81M, BIOS 1.10.1 07/19/2019
[11:50] <Lauxley> tomreyn, i tried that (without reboot) didn't change
[11:51] <Lauxley> also when i try to restart gdm with service i enter a infinite loop of restarting, but it's probably not relevant
[11:56] <tomreyn> Lauxley: if you can post a full   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999   this may help making progress (it'll take a while to review it, though)
[11:57] <tomreyn> Lauxley: if connecting the second screen via display port is an option then try it, too.
[12:03] <Lauxley> tomreyn, thx a lot for your help, problem was in front of the screen (I'm stupid) the usb port of the monitor is only here to be able to plug more usb to it...
[12:03] <Lauxley> (it acts as a dock)
[12:04] <tomreyn> ok ;)
[12:04] <Lauxley> sorry for wasting your time :)
[12:05] <tomreyn> i guess oyu must have had it connected differently before upgrading to 18.04 then ;)
[12:05] <tomreyn> no problem
[12:08] <Lauxley> You were also right about my use case differing from the askubuntu question, I didn't upgrade and the monitor is new
[12:10] <tomreyn> just try to explain issues yourself in the future. it's good to look for similar reports, but make sure you don't jump to conclusions too easily.
[12:10] <tomreyn> i keep making this mistake as well
[12:24] <Apachez> The repository 'http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan-updates InRelease' is no longer signed.
[12:32] <tomreyn> Apachez: se.archive.ubuntu.com points to multiple ip(4|6) addresses. please report ongoing mirror issues as discussed on #ubuntu-mirror's /topic
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:06] <drogas> guten morgen, why am I installing freeCad through: sudo apt install freecad but I am getting No module named WebGui when I launch it
[13:44] <tomreyn> drogas: this appears to be bug 1753376
[13:45] <oerheks> "use the view drop down and select a workbench"
[13:45] <drogas> well shit... what to do now?
[13:46] <drogas> oh okay, so can still use it as normal
[13:47] <tomreyn> there's also this !PPA : https://launchpad.net/~freecad-maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/freecad-stable
[13:54] <drogas> I mean as long as it works as it should and only thing is I need to tick the workbench menu then it's fine I suppose
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> drogas: see also the #freecad channel if you like
[14:01] <drogas> thank you heart of the lotuspsychje
[14:11] <adrian_1908> Do I need `snap userd --autostart` in my autostart services to run snaps, or is that some non-essential process?
[14:11] <Rockwood> hi friends
[14:11] <Rockwood> i am facing a strange issue on VM based server
[14:12] <leftyfb> adrian_1908: in ubuntu, you don't need to do anything to support snaps
[14:12] <Rockwood> i am unable to use web browsing after port
[14:12] <Rockwood> ssh is working fine to me
[14:12] <doug16k> 3950x works but I get a bunch of EDAC errors at boot and edac-util says no memory controller found
[14:13] <doug16k> I have ECC memory of course
[14:13] <doug16k> ECC worked with 2700X on this same board
[14:13] <adrian_1908> leftyfb: What I'm asking is -- can I disable that item from autostart? I'm not sure what exactly it does, but I tend to remove/disable quite a bit of "glue" in areas where I don't need it.
[14:13] <compdoc> Rockwood, after port?
[14:14] <leftyfb> adrian_1908: I'm pretty sure you need it. Of course, if you're doing this much digging, it should be pretty trivial for you to test if it's necessary or not.
[14:15] <Rockwood> after port defines compdoc
[14:15] <compdoc> ports in a firewall, or what?
[14:15] <doug16k> the bunch of errors -> https://gist.github.com/doug65536/9ba2bc44f4ba03a3e90ebd98ca415f25
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> !details | Rockwood
[14:16] <oerheks> doug16k, more an issue for ##hardware
[14:17] <Rockwood> connection refuse error i am facing
[14:17] <compdoc> are you connecting to the VM, or from the VM to the web?
[14:18] <Rockwood> VM to client web
[14:18] <compdoc> can the VM reach other machines on the lan?
[14:19] <leftyfb> Rockwood: can the VM ping 8.8.8.8? If so, can it ping google.com?
[14:20] <Rockwood> leftyfb, problem solved
[14:20] <Rockwood> thanks
[14:20] <Rockwood> just not save my seond port
[14:20] <Rockwood> second
[14:20] <Rockwood> now saved and working
[14:27] <fling> what are deb-src lines on focal?
[14:27] <fling> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:27] <oerheks> sourcecode repos
[14:27] <fling> what are they?
[14:28] <oerheks> .. to build stuff
[14:28] <fling> give me an example :P
[14:28] <oerheks> no
[14:28] <oerheks> !build
[14:28] <fling> I don't want to compile
[14:29] <fling> I want to download zfs-linux patches
[14:30] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[14:31] <whislock> fling: Patches of what nature?
[14:32] <fling> whislock: I have no idea, 5.4 support probably
[14:32] <fling> what are deb-src lines for eoan?
[14:32] <whislock> fling: If you have no idea, then this sounds like a bad plan.
[14:32] <tomreyn> doug16k: this seems to call for a bios upgrade, have you tried this, yet?
[14:33] <fling> whislock: the idea is to figure out what patches are there if any
[14:33] <fling> whislock: I can't predict!
[14:33] <fling> I need to first get the package to see if there are any extra patches
[14:34] <fling> it could turn out there is just plain 0.8.2
[14:34] <whislock> fling: This is the sort of thing that you do when there's a specific issue that you need to fix that you know is available.
[14:34] <whislock> fling: Especially with something like zfs, doing this for funsies is a recipe for breakage.
[14:34] <fling> I asked on #ubuntu-kernel about the patches
[14:34] <fling> and I've been told to look into the package
[14:35] <fling> Which I can't get because I'm missing deb-src lines
[14:35] <whislock> I'm going to be blunt. You don't even know how to pull source packages, but you're chasing patches that you don't know if they exist for something as complicated as zfs.
[14:35] <fling> exactly, I'm an ubuntu noob :P
[14:36] <fling> I'm building stuff on gentoo, just installed focal to a container
[14:36] <tomreyn> doug16k: if this is is a zen 2 CPU, this suggests you may want / need Linux 5.4: https://forums.unraid.net/bug-reports/prereleases/68-rc1-ecc-error-with-ryzen-3700x-and-ecc-ram-r651/
[14:36] <whislock> I'm not trying to be a jerk, here, but you need to stop chasing shiney new stuff as if this is gentoo.
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> fling: 20.04 support in #ubuntu+1
[14:36] <whislock> fling: You are going to break things. I guarantee it. This is not "ubuntu noob" sort of material.
[14:37] <fling> whislock: how exactly can I break things by looking into a source package?
[14:37] <doug16k> tomreyn, that's it exactly. thanks!
[14:37] <fling> lotuspsychje: sorry! can you please just grep deb-src from your sources.list ?
[14:39] <legreffier> just copy your basic sources.list.d/official.list to some other name in the same folder. change deb -> deb-src in that new file.
[14:39] <legreffier> voila.
[14:40] <fling> legreffier: can you please paste your sources.list?
[14:40] <whislock> fling: You need to learn to do your own homework.
[14:40] <whislock> The information you're looking for is all over the internet.
[14:41] <legreffier> sure.
[14:41] <legreffier> how useless is it ? : https://pastebin.com/cTBMjBuE
[14:42] <legreffier> now go up 3 lines, and read what i said.
[14:42] <whislock> legreffier: I am now dying in laughter.
[14:53] <fling> which package for dpkg-source ?
[14:54]  * fling found dpkg-dev
[14:55] <fling> so many deps, I thought it would be faster ;P
[15:00] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | fling
[15:16] <fling> it has linux-5.0-simd-compat.patch, thanks.
[15:17] <fling> and it has it commented out in 'series'
[15:34] <jamie_1> hey, im currently trying working with the google assistant through python3, but the commands installed via pip3 are not working from bash once installed, keeps returning command not found
[15:34] <jamie_1> i've ran into this before a few years ago but i don't remember how i solved it
[15:54] <pizzaiolo> hello #ubuntu - is there a way to disable the "X application is ready" notifications? I'm getting double notifications and these are pretty useless
[15:58] <oerheks> some setting in systemsettings > notifications perhaps
[15:58] <oerheks> else gnome-tweak-tool
[15:58] <oerheks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[16:01] <pizzaiolo> oerheks it seems like it's all or nothing in the settings, i still want to get notifications, just not those specific ones
[16:01] <pizzaiolo> also didn't see anything in tweaks
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> pizzaiolo: that depends on your ubuntu version
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> pizzaiolo: wich ubuntu are you on?
[16:02] <pizzaiolo> i'm on pop_OS 19.10, based on ubuntu
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> pizzaiolo: we dont really support popos! here
[16:04] <pizzaiolo> lotuspsychje i understand, figured this would be the best room to ask
[16:05] <oerheks> our answers might not be suitable for your os.
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> pizzaiolo: System76 has heavily modified POP_OS to ensure it works properly with their systems. With the purchase of a System76 you receive support for PopOS from their customer service (something you have paid for). It would be really beneficial to you and other System76 owners for you to contact System76 for support with your PopOS issues so they can fix the problem properly for everyone.
[16:16] <pizzaiolo> pragmaticenigma thanks, but this isn't running on their hardware. i'll try #system76
[16:17] <akk> I'm suddenly seeing a lot of pop!os queries. I wonder why it got so popular all of a sudden.
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> akk: lets discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[16:18] <akk> I tried #ubuntu-discuss a couple of times but after several days of zero traffic I stopped checking.
[16:18] <genii> akk: Primarily because it's the OS which System76 installs on the Dell systems it sells
[16:20] <pizzaiolo> akk personally i'm using it because of the compatibility OOTB with my XPS 15, read that ubuntu had some hiccups to get it running so i chose pop.
[16:21] <oerheks> looking at their PPA, lots of tweaks and stuff https://launchpad.net/~system76/+archive/ubuntu/pop
[16:21] <superkuh> Hi. I had, but no longer have, broken deps and so the red icon with the minus sign appeared on the top bar. But I have fixed it and now the red icon will not go away. Is there a way to do force this without a reboot?
[16:22] <superkuh> ... of course it disappears right when I say this.
[16:22] <superkuh> Oh well.
[16:22] <superkuh> Solved.
[16:24] <g3poandlsl> How do I configure Ubuntu so that when a USB drive with a FAT32 filesystem is auto-mounted when plugged in, the filesystem is +rw by a regular user? This needs to be automatic and for all USB flash drives, so no fstab entries or manual mounts.
[16:25] <oerheks> fat32 is writable by anyone, it is not posix
[16:26] <Ool> ubuntu mount usb key with fuse by default , no ?
[16:27] <g3poandlsl> oerheks, in our environment, FAT32 drives are owned by root:root with 755 permissions.  Unprivileged users can read, but not write
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> pizzaiolo: "Read some stuff somewhere" usually translates here as you received out-dated information. Make sure to check the date of articles you read... anything older than 1 year, is typically way out of date. I would encourage you to try installing the Ubuntu LTS 18.04 on that unit, and then come here where we can help you with any difficulties you encounter
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: That depends on what file system is on the USB drive. FUSE is a kernel library for handling non-native disk file systems
[16:33] <akk> I've taken to adding "past year" to most google searches for Linux system stuff.
[16:34] <akk> And certainly to any searches related to a current-model laptop.
[16:34] <akk> Though google isn't great about obeying that, I still get a lot of hits on ubuntu 18.* and sometimes even 16.*.
[16:35] <akk> (And it usually completely ignores if I add "19.10" as a search term.)
[16:35] <tomreyn> !discuss | akk
[16:36] <akk> Sorry, I thought that was relevant to the topic and what pragmaticenigma just said to pizzaiolo.
[16:40] <Elodin> hello, in gnome settings after clicking sharing... it doens't show other options such as file sharing, screen sharing, media hsaring, remote login
[16:40] <Elodin> why is that
[16:41] <tomreyn> akk: oh ok, i hadn't noticed you were addressing pizzaiolo.
[16:42] <pizzaiolo> i appreciate all the feedback pragmaticenigma, and yes i know to check publish dates (when the site actually offers them)
[16:42] <pizzaiolo> moving on.
[16:42] <tomreyn> Elodin: which ubuntu version is this?
[16:42] <tieinv> Elodin: you have it turned off?
[16:43] <Elodin> https://i.imgur.com/JTmSZwf.png
[16:43] <Elodin> however i try turning it on, but it goes right back to off
[16:43] <Elodin> it doesn't persist
[16:44] <Elodin> when i leave the settings and go back to see... it's off again
[16:51] <g3poandlsl> Found the solution to permission issues for FAT32 USB automounted drives.  Solution was to edit /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to change the fmask and dmask for FAT32
[16:53] <oerheks> g3poandlsl, my /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf seems to be empty, so i guess that is a custom setting applied?
[16:56] <g3poandlsl> oerheks, I'm unsure, but I don't think there are custom settings.  Our environment is mostly standard Ubuntu 18.04LTS.  Only a few changes are made for LDAP logins
[16:57] <oerheks> anyway, good spot!
[17:17] <Iarla> Is it just not possible to control the fans on some hardware? I have an Acer Aspire 5920G and I've probably followed every guide out there but closest I've gotten is being able to read the sensors but not set the fan speed.
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> Iarla: there's a fancon snap if you like
[17:19] <Iarla> cool, I'll try that. Thanks lotuspsychje!
[17:21] <Zeitkind> omfg.. still have my split window buttons - even after removing ~/.config/dconf, dconf reset and what-not.. where the hell does this system save this config? https://imgur.com/a/s5pAK05
[17:40] <murthy> why mojo video decoder is not enabled for chromium snap?
[17:45] <oerheks> maybe that mojo thingy needs HW acceleration in chromium?
[17:47] <oerheks> tons of howto's.. https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/08/how-to-enable-hardware-accelerated.html
[17:48] <murthy> oerheks: Mojo decoder is to be used to get hardware accelerated video playback
[17:48] <murthy> oerheks: Check this article for more info https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Chrome-73-Linux-Mojo-Video-Dec
[17:49] <oerheks> yes, i understand, but chromium does not give hw acelleration enabled by default
[17:50] <murthy> oerheks: Ya, but when mojo decoder is enabled during compilation, use can opt to use hardware acceleration in chromium
[17:51] <murthy> oerheks: This is the bug tracker for the above https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=522298
[17:52] <murthy> oerheks: The following is the flag you need to set to get hardware acceleration in chromium "- use_vaapi = true"
[17:53] <murthy> If the chromium snap maintainers set that flag to true during compilation, we could have chromium with hardware accelerated video playback via snap
[18:06] <fweno84> whats up with i915 and the vga port on 19.10?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> !details | fweno84
[18:06] <fweno84> the vga port is not working
[18:07] <fweno84> if the vga port is connected the X fails epically
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> fweno84: what kind of device is that?
[18:07] <fweno84> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1181967/vga-port-not-working-19-10-update
[18:07] <fweno84> lotuspsychje its a desktop computer
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> fweno84: did you firmware/bios update it yet?
[18:08] <fweno84> no
[18:08] <fweno84> it is working on older kernel
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> fweno84: oh ok, wich kernel is failing please?
[18:08] <fweno84> 5.3
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> fweno84: you have a dmesg from 5.3 booting?
[18:09] <fweno84> 5.3.0-23-generic / Ubuntu 19.10
[18:10] <fweno84> lotuspsychje sure I do, but what info are you asking?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> fweno84: could you pastebin the whole dmesg for us please?
[18:10] <fweno84> I on the machine right now, I just disconnected the vga port and it works like it should
[18:11] <fweno84> no thanks
[18:17] <ioria> fweno84, probably a kernel problem
[18:17] <fweno84> Yeah, it is a kernel problem
[18:18] <ioria> fweno84, have you tried with the nomodeset
[18:18] <ioria> ?
[18:18] <fweno84> No
[18:19] <fweno84> There is a alternative kernel in the repo?
[18:19] <ioria> fweno84, or (if yuo know to manage it) , in alternative , yes ... there is 5.3.0.24.28
[18:19] <fweno84> I want to try some settings but I also want to have a alternative kernel ready
[18:20] <ioria> fweno84, in -proposed  it's available 5.3.0.24.28, but you need to enable the repository
[18:21] <ioria> !info linux-generic eoan-proposed | fweno84
[18:22] <ioria> fweno84,  for testing purpose , btw
[18:23] <fweno84> I know I should got back to 19.04, but I too lazy to reinstall the system
[18:23] <fweno84> Ahh... I gonna do it, thanks dude
[18:23] <ioria> fweno84,  ok
[18:24] <bittin_> btw anyone knows something about Force Feedback Wheels on Ubuntu 18 or 19? a friend is wondering
[18:28] <Apachez> how is it with ubuntu nowadays, can /var/cache safetly be removed between reboots without upsetting some apps in the installation?
[18:29] <lordcirth> Apachez, I would make sure the empty directory remains; but emptying it *should* work. It depends on the application.
[18:31] <Apachez> :S
[18:32] <Apachez> because according to it should be able to be wasted and recreated when needed https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch05s05.html
[18:33] <lordcirth> Yes, that is the intent.
[18:38] <lordcirth> And indeed, if you can find an application that does not handle it, that would be a bug.
[19:31] <gaia82> hi
[19:32] <lordcirth> gaia82, hi
[19:32] <gaia82> is this ubuntu official channel
[19:32] <gaia82> i m new here
[19:32] <tonyt> yes
[19:32] <gaia82> i mean for any help relater querries
[19:32] <tonyt> yes
[19:33] <gaia82> okay
[19:33] <gaia82> how to install tar.gz file by terminal
[19:33] <gaia82> its in my download folder
[19:34] <gaia82> cmake is getting errors
[19:35] <gaia82> anyone
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> gaia82: This channel only supports software provided in Ubuntu's official software repositories. If you wish to have help compiling an application, seek out the developer of the application for assistance
[19:37] <gaia82> oh is it
[19:37] <gaia82> is it not recommended to install softwares from outside the repositories
[19:37] <gaia82> ?
[19:37] <gaia82> does it posses any secirty risk
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> gaia82: The community in this channel rely on the documentation that provided by Canonical for Ubuntu, as well as community contributions based on the software provided in the official repositories
[19:39] <sarnold> gaia82: certainly you need to trust whoever provided you with that software; if you build it as your user account, then the build tools can do everything your shell can do -- read your email, read your web browser, ssh to other hosts, etc
[19:40] <gaia82> well thats a very restricted answer. i am new to ubuntu and still figuring out network and system nuances
[19:40] <gaia82> i am not a builder as of now
[19:40] <sarnold> gaia82: if you don't completely trust whoever published it with your user account, then you can look into using snaps; snaps provide some level of confinement. it's not perfect but it's better
[19:42] <gaia82> no body publshed it just an standard software like weechat or hexchat downloaded from its official website
[19:43] <sarnold> gaia82: then weechat or hexchat authors, website owners, every router along the way, etc
[19:43] <sarnold> gaia82: btw apt install weechat or apt install hexchat
[19:45] <gaia82> hi again
[19:48] <gaia82> man to install a simple .gz file i have to ask every router
[19:48] <gaia82> ok kool
[19:48] <gaia82> got the point
[19:48] <oerheks> it is beyond the scope of this channel, guiding new users to build own software, while we did hard work for the versions in the our repos.
[19:49] <oerheks> and the simple question howto untar an archive, really?
[19:50] <gaia82> yes how you actually want people to use ubuntu if they coudnt able to get help
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> gaia82: To install hexchat, the command is "sudo apt install hexchat"
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> couldn't get easier than that
[19:50] <gaia82> thanx pragmatic
[19:50] <oerheks> use softwarecenter, or better: install synaptic, a more detailed softwarecenter
[19:50] <gaia82> i can do that
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> gaia82: If you're using Ubuntu desktop, there is an application called Software Center, this gives a nice graphical interface for selecting software to install. It is automatically configured to use Official Ubuntu software sources
[19:51] <gaia82> is synaptic a installer like cmake?
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> gaia82: The reason compiling is discouraged is because dependencies applications you're trying to compile may not be available in the versions requested. Applications provided in the software center are all setup to work with the Ubuntu desktop as provided.
[19:52] <gaia82> i searched my software centre for irc clients like hex chat but it didnt list it.. how to get more detailed one
[19:52] <sarnold> gaia82: cmake isn't an installer -- it's a build tool
[19:53] <gaia82> yeah the dependencies ..i could get to fetch them in terminal..i tried from the install file text
[19:53] <gaia82> coudnt*
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> gaia82: Manually trying to install libraries for dependencies will likely end up breaking your Ubuntu install... this is why it's not recommended. Once you start compiling and trying to find all the dependencies, you're no longer running Ubuntu in a state that this channel can support. You're completely on your own
[19:54] <sarnold> when you're compiling software you'll need the -dev versions of packages installed, which will supply the necessary header files
[19:54] <gaia82> oh is it..i didnt know
[19:56] <Infra_red> Blast from the past time.  I'm getting ready to e-waste some old computers.  Taking the time to make sure there is nothing I either want to save or remove.  Old Pentium 3 with Ubuntu 8.04.  Cleaning a HD with Ubuntu 6.06 on it.
[19:56] <sarnold> Infra_red: wow
[19:56] <gaia82> please suggest an irc client from software centre
[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> gaia82: I just did hexchat is the most popular irc client
[19:57] <gaia82> okay
[19:59] <gaia82> ihope  small questions like these are invited in future
[20:02] <dsuch> Hi, I am using Ubuntu Mate 18.04. I wanted to boot into console without X for a moment so I ran the command 'systemctl disable lightdm.service'. Running 'systemctl enable lightdm.service' complains that the unit cannot be enabled via systemctl.
[20:02] <dsuch> Next, I ran 'systemctl set-default graphical.target' but it still reboots into console. Command 'systemctl get-default' returns 'graphical.target'. Can someone please suggest how I can start X in this case? Thanks.
[20:05] <ryuo> dsuch: systemctl start display-manager.service
[20:05] <ryuo> ?
[20:06] <ioria> dsuch,  if graphical.target is already set, i'd try  'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm'
[20:06] <dsuch> ryuo: Thanks, but it says 'Unit display-manager.service not found.'
[20:07] <ryuo> that should exist as it's the generic name for the DM
[20:07] <ryuo> ● lightdm.service - Light Display Manager
[20:07] <ryuo> is what I get.
[20:07] <oerheks> gdm3
[20:08] <oerheks> oh, mate ..
[20:08] <dsuch> ioria: Thanks, that helped
[20:09] <ioria> dsuch,  ok
[20:09] <altendky> i'm having issues with a lenovo thinkpad p1 gen 2 not turning on its display when resuming.  other things work as i can continue or make new ssh sessions etc.  of course i spent a long time trying to debug this using the power button and pm-suspend and just finally realized that it 'mostly works' when i recover by opening my laptop lid/display instead of pressing the power button to resume.  i also started in kubuntu
[20:09] <altendky> 19.10 but just switched back to ubuntu 18.04.3 with no significant difference until i noticed the lid-resume option.  any suggestions where to dig into the differences?  https://www.diffchecker.com/VzN85Jx8 i don't see anything obvious between the dmesg output for pm-suspend/power-button (left) and display-close/open (right).  i'll note that the display brightness adjustment also has no effect other than showing the
[20:09] <altendky> pop-up with the brightness bar moving.  thanks for any help.
[20:09] <dsuch> ryuo: oerheks Yes, perhaps this is a different name under Mate
[20:11] <oerheks> systemctl get-default
[20:32] <shxdow18> Yo
[20:47] <tomreyn> altendky: first make sure you've got the latest bios installed ( journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:' ), then make sure you run Ubuntu 18.04 with !LTSE or 19.10, then review the system log for any ACPI issues logged on boot. If any (other than the ignored _OSI(Linux) query), try http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:48] <tomreyn> if suspend issues still remain then post a full    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    with both the best acpi_osi settings you could find and without any.
[20:54] <altendky> tomreyn: thanks.  i did do a bios update in the past couple days with no apparent effect.  you said 'system log', would that be dmesg?  i'll read through your link now etc.  is there a direct way to compare what the lid should do vs. what the power button or pm-suspend should do?  or maybe that's more about hardware than software, i don't know.
[20:59] <tomreyn> altendky: dmesg only provides the kernel ring buffer log, it's better to use journalctl to have this enriched by user space events.
[21:03] <tomreyn> altendky: by default, according to the compile time defaults in /etc/systemd/logind.conf, HandleSuspendKey and HandleLidSwitch should both suspend, but HandlePowerKey would power off (after graceful shutdown).
[21:04] <altendky> tomreyn: sorry, i was using pm-suspend to suspend and the power button to resume.  it may be that using the lid to suspend is the key, not using it to resume.
[21:06] <tomreyn> altendky: don't use pm-suspend (pm-utils) on systemd systems, use systemctl suspend
[21:09] <altendky> tomreyn: it's like linux has worked too well for me for too many years so i don't know how to do anything right...  :|  but using journalctl does warn me that i might be left with a black screen (after using pm-suspend).  see line 131 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GpJSpTJ6zV/  trying systemctl suspend next
[21:14] <tomreyn> suspending once using an incorrect method *can* put the system into an unstatable state which it only recovers from after reboot, so be sure to do full reboots in between when comparing the effects of entering suspend using pm-suspend vs systemctl suspend.
[21:16] <tomreyn> in rare cases (firmware bugs) you even need to do a cold boot or clear nvram
[21:17] <altendky> tomreyn: systemctl suspend works fine resuming with the power button and does not warn about a potential black screen.  so the reported symptoms appear to just be triggered by me doing the wrong thing...  time for me to try to remember what the original issue was before i tried to use the cli to make the issue more replicable and loggable.  thanks for setting me straight, at least for now.  and my apologies for the X/Y
[21:17] <altendky> problem here.
[21:17] <altendky> tomreyn: that's good for me to keep in mind, in this case systemctl suspend worked fine straight away.
[21:19] <altendky> now i see that the 'blank screen' timeout feature is causing the same 'may be leftwith a black screen' warning https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yxJ5tbRFCk/ (and i am left with a black screen) though i kind of don't directly care about that since i'll probably be switching back to kubuntu now to try to reidentify my real problem with your improved diagnostic recommendations and acpi info page.
[21:19] <tomreyn> on ubuntu 18.04.3 and later releases anything initiating suspend from a supported graphical desktop or using physical buttons and special (function) keys should be doing the right thing / use systemctl suspend.
[21:28] <tomreyn> altendky: the bad link state warning seems to be caused by a bug in the intel graphics driver (i915, which comes with the kernel), triggered by the lightdm login manager in a resume from suspend situation (maybe try sddm/gdm also): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110863
[21:32] <tomreyn> altendky: linux 5.3 is available in ubuntu 18.04 via linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge and may fix this issue.
[21:36] <altendky> tomreyn: i'm installing kubuntu again to try to refresh myself on my 'real' issues rather than these ones that my diagnostic approach seem to have created.  hopefully the extra info from journalctl can lead me to a better understanding more quickly.  i can't say i'm super excited about dealing with two graphics cards to have issues with (again, second laptop like this).
[21:38] <tomreyn> altendky: in my experience, the easiest way to prevent graphics issues is to not buy nvidia graphics hardware. and the easiest way to prevent suspend issues is to buy hardware which is sold with linux support and not the very latest.
[21:40] <tomreyn> kubuntu uses the foundation as (gnome-shell/nutter based) ubuntu, i.e. you'll end up with the same default kernel image and alternatives as well as the same drivers.
[21:40] <altendky> tomreyn: i looked around and not-nvidia laptops didn't seem all that common.  at least not with whatever limitations i was applying at the time.  but yes, i had interest in not-nvidia.  any chance you know of a list of laptops that actual linux (or ubuntu etc) devs use?  that would be an interesting thing to review before purchasing.
[21:40] <tomreyn> * Mutter
[21:41] <altendky> tomreyn: yes, i don't expect the low level stuff to be any different.  just the front end that could still be triggering.  and after i just spent time (mine _and_ yours) trying to diagnose something that may not be my real issue, i figured i ought to step back to the top and see what my real problems are.
[21:44] <tomreyn> altendky: taking the step back (testing the original issue on kubuntu) seems like a good idea to me, too, i just meant to provide auxiliary information. in the past, and still nowadays, some kernel devs seem to use some models on the lenovo thinkpad T and P series.
[21:44] <akk> I'm kind of surprised nobody maintains a list like that, where linux devs can register their laptop model.
[21:45] <akk> But lenovo carbon x1 and dell xps 13 are both very popular right now (even though some xps13 have a wifi card that doesn't work well in linux).
[21:46] <agile_prg> hi all, I am on ubuntu desktop but I do not know how to enable workspaces
[21:46] <altendky> they did technically get it certified https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/models?query=p1+gen+2&category=Desktop&category=Laptop&level=&vendors=Lenovo though i don't know how much that ends up meaning.  and linux wasn't a listed option when i ordered
[21:46] <tomreyn> agile_prg: which ubuntu version are you running?
[21:46] <agile_prg> I am not sure :<
[21:47] <tomreyn> agile_prg: please run this in a terminal:   lsb_release -ds
[21:47] <agile_prg> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[21:48] <tomreyn> agile_prg: please install the pending security and bug fix updates.
[21:48] <akk> Being "ubuntu certified" doesn't guarantee that everything will work.
[21:48] <altendky> yeah, and "Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all"
[21:49] <agile_prg> ok but how do I put in workspaces?
[21:49] <tomreyn> agile_prg: to access workspaces, press the windows key and move the mouse to the right edge of your screen
[21:50] <tomreyn> 2 workspaces should be enabled by default
[21:50] <tomreyn> agile_prg: to modify workspaces, use gnome-tweaks -> Workspaces
[21:51] <agile_prg> I don't see gnome-tweaks should I install it?
[21:52] <tomreyn> agile_prg: look for just "Tweaks"
[21:52] <tomreyn> it should be installed already
[21:52] <agile_prg> I see gnome tweaks but it says it must be installed
[21:53] <tomreyn> i guess i was wrong, then, sorry.
[21:54] <agile_prg> so I should install it?
[21:54] <tomreyn> agile_prg: if you'd like to configure workspaces using a graphical interface, yes.
[21:55] <agile_prg> well can I do it some other way?
[21:55] <tomreyn> yes, using gsettings, but i can't tell you the details.
[21:57] <agile_prg> ok I installed it butr I don't see how to get to the other workspaces
[21:57] <agile_prg> it says there are 4 of them
[21:57] <oerheks> press win key and workspaces should appear on the right
 agile_prg: to access workspaces, press the windows key and move the mouse to the right edge of your screen
[21:58] <agile_prg> wow I must be getting tired, thanks
[21:58] <oerheks> and there are hotkeys, in systemsettings
[21:58] <agile_prg> that is weird I only see two workspaces when I edo that
 agile_prg: please install the pending security and bug fix updates.
[21:59] <oerheks> point at one window, right mouse > move workspace down ( and 3rd space will be generated automaticly)
[21:59] <agile_prg> oh ok
[21:59] <agile_prg> wow your smart thanks again
[21:59] <oerheks> and then there are tons of gnome-shell extentions
[22:00] <oerheks> * optional
[22:01] <tomreyn> ...which can help, or can break gnome
[22:01] <agile_prg> ok extension man :>
[22:01] <MyWay> hello, I can't login at boot anymore with gdm with my user, but if I kill Xorg process, then I can login at boot, any idea why this is happening?
[22:01] <altendky> tomreyn: well, kubuntu is acting worse actually but i have to take off soon and thanks to you i have more info to debug with.  thanks again.
[22:01] <oerheks> some options should be standard, making folders in your program overview .. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1217/appfolders-manager/
[22:02] <tomreyn> altendky: you're welcome, good luck!
[22:02] <akk> Do I understand update-motd(5) correctly that the various motd scripts are being run basically for every login shell?
[22:02] <akk> Is there a way to run them, say, from cron or something instead? I like the functionality but really don't need it updated more often than daily.
[22:03] <agile_prg> can I name a workspace somehow?
[22:03] <Ben64> akk: it goes to /var/cache/motd-news
[22:04] <Ben64> agile_prg: yes, you can right click the workspace switcher and name them whatever
[22:04] <agile_prg> I right click on it and it chooses it, does not let me name it
[22:05] <tomreyn> MyWay: which ubuntu version are you running (run this in a terminal window: lsb_release -ds )? which changes have you recently made which may have caused this?
[22:05] <akk> Ben64: What's "it" here? That seems to be a static file that has a quote in it that seems unrelated to the stuff I see at login time.
[22:05] <pragmaticenigma> agile_prg: It helps to know what Ubuntu version you are on, and possible the desktop environment you running
[22:05] <MyWay> 19.10
[22:06] <MyWay> no changes that I'm aware of
[22:06] <Ben64> akk: what stuff are you seeing then
[22:06] <MyWay> and I have installed / partition again (but not /home)
[22:06] <akk> Ben64: I'm talking about all the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d, like the list of updates available.
[22:07] <akk> Ben64: And in truth I'm not clear when they're run; I see them if I log in on a console but not if I start a terminal with loginShell: True.
[22:07] <ncuxo> so after downgrading to 18.04 my graphical problem went away
[22:08] <ncuxo> :-[
[22:08] <agile_prg> ya ncuxo the upggrades do not always work like they promise
[22:08] <agile_prg> reminds me of the Gattaca movie, where they promised you a good baby and stuff
[22:08] <ncuxo> I was thinking it could be my graphics card that gave me the bugs
[22:09] <ncuxo> but after switching it still had the problems on 19.10
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> agile_prg: Please try to stay on topic, movie and film talk are welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:09] <oerheks> what graphic card exactly?
[22:09] <agile_prg> ncuxo boot with a live cd and see if the problem goes away
[22:09] <ncuxo> old NVIDIA 6600 LE
[22:10] <ncuxo> I had the nvidia drivers installed borked the system
[22:10] <ncuxo> then went with nouveau and still had the glitch
[22:10] <tomreyn> by downloading them from nvidia.com?
[22:10] <ncuxo> but after downgrading to  the LTS everything worked like a charm
[22:10] <ncuxo> tomreyn: sure
[22:10] <oerheks> oh, that card works just with nouveau, pretty old.
[22:11] <ncuxo> it is old :D
[22:11] <tomreyn> ncuxo: you should use "ubuntu-drivers" instead.
[22:11] <ncuxo> :O
[22:11] <ncuxo> didn't know that there are drivers
[22:12] <ncuxo> old windows habits die hard :/
[22:12] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list #
[22:13] <ncuxo> oerheks: thanks I will check it out and will remember it for future use
[22:13] <ncuxo> :)
[22:15] <jwk> hi , i got issue in my linux , when i plugged in my headphone its show me its plugged but there no sound , it was working before , this happen today , my headphone is working in any place but not in linux , any help?
[22:22] <akk> Wow, it's not clear there's even a way to display the dynamic motd intentionally. Apparently it's something pam does mysteriously at login time.
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> akk: You please a script in /etc/update-motd.d folder
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> akk: Look at the files already there for examples on how to do it
[22:30] <akk> pragmaticenigma: I'm not trying to add something to the motd, I'm wondering how to see it without ctrl-alt-F4 and logging in on a console.
[22:30] <akk> pragmaticenigma: and also wondering when all those scripts are run, is it every time there's a new login? or is it cached somewhere?
[22:31] <akk> The docs are quite vague on things like that.
[22:31] <akk> (the ones I've found, maybe there's a better doc I've missed)
[22:33] <pragmaticenigma> akk: motd is a carry over from when GUI's didn't exist. They are there only for the purposes of the termnial, to send messages to the user at login (as it was assumed they're remote)
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> akk: it runs at each login, some of the components used, do cache their messages in a folder somewhere in /var/lib/
[22:35] <akk> pragmaticenigma: I find some of the messages useful, and might want to see them at some time other than first login of the day.
[22:35] <akk> pragmaticenigma: I haven't been able to find the cache, or anything that discusses it.
[22:35] <tomreyn> about motd-news, start your investigation with   systemctl list-timers motd-news.timer
[22:36] <pragmaticenigma> akk: You could schedule a task to execute a script and have the output sent to dbus for a toaster popup
[22:36] <akk> tomreyn: Ah, interesting! Thanks, good place to start.
[22:40] <akk> Looks like it runs at midnight and noon, and motd-news.service runs /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news --force
[22:45] <superkuh> I have two ubuntu systems. One PC1 is sharing a folder, "video" via NFS to another (PC2) which has it mounted. Operating entirely on PC1, when I delete a file through gnome on PC1, it does not go to the trash on PC1. Instead, somehow, it shows up in the general trash on PC2 that has the share mounted. The files were not deleted on PC2.
[22:45] <akk> But that script looks like it caches to /var/cache/motd-news, yet that file definitely isn't what I'm seeing at login and doesn't reflect the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d, so there's something else going on.
[22:46] <superkuh> When I delete files or folders on PC on that partition that are local (just like 'video') but not shared via NFS to other PCs, it goes to the local trash.
[22:46] <superkuh> Er, on PC1.
[22:46] <akk> Oh, I see, all this only relates to /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news which is only one of 9 files contributing to the motd.
[22:47] <superkuh> But if the folder is shared to ther PCs, like PC2, over NFS, then when I do local file operations on local files on PC1 in a folder that is shared and PC2 has mounted, the deleted files go to the PC2 trash.
[22:47] <superkuh> Any way to stop this?
[22:48] <superkuh> It's pretty weird. They appear instantly in the PC2 trash. Even if it should be impossible to transfer them to PC2 that fast because of file size and network speed.
[22:48] <superkuh> So I figure they're not actually there. But in order to delete them on PC1 I have to do trash empty on PC2 which has the share mounted.
[22:54] <tomreyn> superkuh: what's the output of    lsb_release -ds    on both systems?
[22:54] <superkuh> Do you think it matters?
[22:54] <superkuh> I can't imagine it mattering.
[22:54] <superkuh> What color is your hair?
[22:55] <tomreyn> it always matters whether you run ubuntu and if so, which ubuntu version you're running can matter.
[22:55] <superkuh> 14.04 and 10.04
[22:55] <tomreyn> !next
[22:55] <superkuh> And now comes the, oh, it's EOL, go away.
[22:56] <tomreyn> so if you already knew this, why did you ask in the first place?
[22:56] <superkuh> In some communities people help others even for EOL stuff.
[22:56] <superkuh> But I guess there's a reason arch is the goto for linux community help these days.
[22:57] <oerheks> oh, stop this flamewar, superkuh
[22:57] <tomreyn> the /topic states which ubuntu releases are supported here
[22:57] <whislock> superkuh: Except it isn't. It's the goto for Arch Linux users.
[22:57] <superkuh> K. I'll not go there.
[22:57] <superkuh> But, just because it's EOL doesn't mean people don't use it.
[22:57] <tomreyn> it means we don't support it here, though, as you know.
[22:57] <superkuh> I'm not asking for corporate support contract here. Just if anyone had any ideas.
[22:57] <whislock> It does mean that it isn't supported. People using EOL releases shouldn't, and need to upgrade to a supported release.
[22:58] <superkuh> Yeah, I this is exactly what I expected of #ubuntu in post 2010.
[22:58] <superkuh> Damn shame.
[22:58] <oerheks> maybe it was an nfs bug. go find it.
[22:58] <superkuh> I'll try, oerheks.
[22:58] <whislock> superkuh: Distro releases have had EOL dates since long before Ubuntu.
[22:59] <superkuh> I'm just talking about the tone of the community, whislock.
[22:59] <superkuh> How it's changed over time.
[22:59] <tomreyn> kindly discuss this elsewhere. we have #ubuntu-discuss for on topic discussion, and #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics.
[22:59] <superkuh> Okay, tom.
[23:02] <ncuxo> superkuh: is the shared folder allowing other users to delete the files?
[23:02] <superkuh> ncuxo, yes.
[23:03] <superkuh> I'll try turning that off. Good idea.
[23:03] <ncuxo> and there you have your answer once the file is deleted it should not be available to the other systems
[23:04] <ncuxo> never been on ubuntu 14.04 or 10.04 so I may be totally wrong here :D
[23:04] <ncuxo> just laying my thoughts :D
[23:06] <ryuo> superkuh: why are you running releases that are EOL? they're just waiting to be hacked.
[23:06] <superkuh> Let's not pollute that chat with that.
[23:06] <superkuh> I understand your opinion and it's valid in some cases.
[23:46] <Chunkyz> can we get support for the pi4 here with 19.10?
[23:48] <sarnold> Chunkyz: sure; I'm not sure how many people actually have one, but you can certainly ask
[23:49] <tomreyn> There's also the "decent" #ubuntu-arm channel
[23:51] <oerheks> there is support, limit the 4 gb to 3 gb
[23:51] <Chunkyz> oerheks, huh?
[23:52] <Chunkyz> thanks tom and sarnold
[23:52] <Chunkyz> tomreyn, ^
[23:52] <Chunkyz> oerheks: yeah I know of the problem with the 64bit image but that's been fixed now.
[23:52] <sarnold> oerheks: hmm what's that about again? I have a vague memory of that being fixed or only a problem if you use armhf rather than aarch64 or *something* like that. Since I didn't have a pi4 I didn't pay that much attention.. :)
[23:53] <Chunkyz> aarch64 wouldn't detect/use usb's.
[23:53] <Chunkyz> it's been fixed through an update, hopefully a new image soon.
[23:53] <Chunkyz> I have mine working nicely. :)
[23:55] <Bashing-om> Chunkyz: Running the Mate desktop ?
[23:55] <Chunkyz> nope, xfce4.
[23:56] <Chunkyz> I never really like the mate desktop. prefer lxde/xfce4
[23:56] <Chunkyz> liked*
[23:57] <Bashing-om> Chunkyz: Just an aside - Martin Winpress has done the work on PI4 for the Mate desktop.
[23:57] <Chunkyz> really? got a link?
[23:57] <Chunkyz> last I heard he was still working on it....
[23:59] <Chunkyz> yeah still not ready. just checked xD
[23:59] <Chunkyz> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/