[00:06] <gebbione> hi folks, I have noticed that several files are left on a storage hardisk i use, separate from the boot one, when remove files from trash. This folder is .Trash-1000
[00:06] <gebbione> at the moment i see it has 6.6Gb of files
[00:07] <gebbione> i manually deleted it yesterday but I was wondering what its purpose is if any
[00:08] <gebbione> ok i see something described here
[00:08] <gebbione> https://askubuntu.com/questions/102099/where-is-the-trash-folder
[00:08] <gebbione> but wonder why the files are still there
[00:19] <sarnold> gebbione: some tool somewhere created that directory and *moves* files there, so that users can then "undelete" files later
[00:20] <gebbione> i would have expected the folder to be empty after rubbish is emptied
[00:20] <sarnold> gebbione: the filesystems don't provide any undelete functionality themselves, so if you see an "undelete" menu option somewhere, it's being provided by a tool like this, that moves "deleted" files into a trash directory, and will either throw it away in a year or six months or when space is low or on tuesdays or something
[00:21] <ArtificialNebula> I'm having a problem after upgrading from 19.04 to 19.10: under the Gnome Classic shell, I can no longer open the activities menu using the hot corner, and if I use the super key it just shows my windows (no global search). Any ideas on how to fix this? I've already tried removing my .config directory along with many of the Gnome-related config directories, but no dice. The Activites menu does work as expected under
[00:21] <ArtificialNebula> standard Gnome shell.
[00:22] <EriC^> gebbione: that's the trash bin, if you delete files via the file manager without pressing shift+delete, (just delete) it goes there, you can later empty it
[00:22] <gebbione> EriC^, that is expected ... but if I go to the trash and then empty it I would expect for these files to be gone there and then
[00:23] <EriC^> gebbione: not sure what you mean, you're emptying the trash bin, and finding them in a -Trash dir later?
[00:23] <gebbione> yes
[00:23] <EriC^> gebbione: i suspect the dir you're talking about is on a different filesystem, like an ext hdd or other partition?
[00:24] <gebbione> it is
[00:24] <EriC^> gebbione: i think it just manages the main user's trash e.g /home/youruser/....-Trash
[00:24] <EriC^> the ones you delete that are on an ext hdd or so end up in /exthdd/.Trash-<uid>
[00:25] <EriC^> so you'd need to manually delete them i guess from there
[00:26] <EriC^> not 100% clean i guess but whatever :)
[01:00] <helpthisn000b> good day all , is someone interested in helping a noob mount a hard drive ?
[01:00] <helpthisn000b> good day all , is someone interested in helping a noob mount a hard drive ?
[01:01] <helpthisn000b> good day all , is someone interested in helping a noob mount a hard drive ?
[01:01] <helpthisn000b> hi
[01:01] <kk4ewt> helpthisn000b;  stop repeating youself
[01:01] <Bashing-om> helpthisn000b: How dou you want to mount it - and what is the target's file system ?
[01:02] <helpthisn000b> I want to mount an external RAiD enclosure via Thunderbolt 3 to a Ubuntu Server
[01:02] <helpthisn000b> The file system is HFS+
[01:03] <EriC^> xD
[01:03] <helpthisn000b> The drive is connected to the port and is is visible in the system but does not exist in /dev/sd*
[01:04] <helpthisn000b> I have read every possible post on every website that has anything to do with this !
[01:04] <Bashing-om> !info hfsprogs | helpthisn000b
[01:07] <helpthisn000b> I have hfsprogs
[01:07] <helpthisn000b> I have boltctl  i have tbtctl
[01:08] <helpthisn000b> The Thunderbolt 3 port is basically a PCIe port
[01:08] <Bashing-om> helpthisn000b: Yukkie - well, does ' sudo parted -l ' show the drive ?
[01:09] <helpthisn000b> no
[01:10] <helpthisn000b> fwupdmgr get-devices --show-all-devices
[01:10] <helpthisn000b> To Be Filled By O.E.M.
[01:10] <helpthisn000b> • Device stages updates
[01:10] <Bashing-om> helpthisn000b: Sorry, I do not know further - await here for one with the Thunderbird experience to advise.
[01:10] <helpthisn000b> f29aaa96-dfb8-5e24-be95-29a809cc00d5
[01:10] <helpthisn000b> :)
[01:10] <helpthisn000b> I will
[01:11] <sarnold> asre there any messages in dmesg?
[01:11] <sarnold> does the device show up in lspci output?
[01:11] <sarnold> are the drives within exposed as eg /dev/sd* devices because it just looks like a sata or sas controller?
[01:13] <helpthisn000b> 1@1:~$ boltctl
[01:13] <helpthisn000b> connected:     Wed 27 Nov 2019 11:10:00 PM UTC
[01:13] <EriC^> "dmesg | grep -i thunderbolt" maybe?
[01:14] <helpthisn000b> 1s@1s:~$ lspci
[01:15] <helpthisn000b> Corporation Cannon Lake PCH Thermal Controller (rev 10)
[01:15] <helpthisn000b> Intel Corporation Cannon Lake PCH HECI Controller (rev 10)
[01:15] <helpthisn000b> cAVS (rev 10)
[01:15] <helpthisn000b> [Alpine Ridge LP 2016] (rev 01)
[01:15] <helpthisn000b> 2016] (rev 01)
[01:17] <sarnold> it's best to stick with pastebin sites like paste.ubuntu.com when there's more than two lines -- the pastebinit program can help here
[01:19] <helpthisn000b> Yep I got it sorry !
[01:20] <helpthisn000b> I'm just going to leave this in here and hope for someone with any ideas . I'm lost and spend about 30h working on this and have no other options . Thank you
[01:22] <sarnold> helpthisn000b: you'll probably have to share more about what's going on -- lspci output, full dmesg output, what happens when you try the usual hfs+ mounting tools, etc etc
[01:23] <helpthisn000b> I can't really get to use any kind of mount command  because I don't know how to address the external drive , it is not in /dev anywhere
[01:27] <helpthisn000b> Here is the full dmesg and lspci https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hgFQ7Ccqmd/
[01:30] <oerheks> boltctl list
[01:30] <oerheks> tbtadm topology
[01:31] <oerheks> from https://forum.manjaro.org/t/cant-see-thunderbolt-3-disks/103811/9
[01:31] <helpthisn000b> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DBvzfsZHSk/
[01:31] <helpthisn000b> I read that yes
[01:31] <Jalienn> Hey guys!
[01:33] <helpthisn000b> oerheks I'm the last comment on that article https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DBvzfsZHSk/  this is the boltctl list  and tbtamd topology
[01:33] <oerheks> cd /dev/disk/by-uuid  # and then use  uuid:          00492818-3724-1c00-ffff-ffffffffffff
[01:34] <oerheks> or is that the controller uuid?
[01:35] <helpthisn000b> I'll try
[01:38] <sarnold> I wonder why the drobo 8d pages talk about mac compat but nothing else.. weird
[01:38] <helpthisn000b> Don't have it in /dev/disk/by-uuids/
[01:40] <helpthisn000b> It is "MacOS only" as every onether drobo with no linux support , but it is just an external HDD , tbnw the Drobo is installed with disks in  and set up on a Mac machine so it is working .
[01:40] <oerheks> i read the kernel pages, this is a hack to accept any thunderbold device.. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.13/admin-guide/thunderbolt.html
[01:42] <helpthisn000b> Yes i did that too , boltctl is a tool that lets you authenticate a TB3 devices , also my bios is set to no security on the thunderbolt
[01:42] <sarnold> boltctl or thunderbolt-tools ought to be able to manage the authorized flag for you, no need to hand-authorize devices
[01:44] <oerheks> oke, no Bios Thunderboldt Assist mode
[01:47] <oerheks> $ sudo tree -RaF /sys/bus/thunderbolt/.
[01:48] <sarnold> with or without period?
[01:49] <oerheks> i read with,  https://github.com/dell/thunderbolt-nvm-linux/issues/17
[01:49] <oerheks> also a part to update firmware, but not sure that comes in handy
[01:51] <helpthisn000b> same for me nothing under devices or drivers
[01:52] <oerheks> the port is recognized,   lspci -tv # would show this too
[01:53] <oerheks> you have bolt installed..
[01:53] <oerheks> !bolt
[01:53] <oerheks> !info bolt
[01:58] <helpthisn000b> sudo rebootrebooting
[01:59] <jerichowasahoax`> some programs, like man and perl, are complaining that my LC_* environment vars are out of whack. what's the easiest way to set them? I prefer a US English locale with the exception of LC_TIME=C
[02:02] <rbasak> jerichowasahoax`: your installer should have done that for you. Did you install Ubuntu using some unusual method?
[02:03] <rbasak> jerichowasahoax`: /etc/default/locale, update-locale(8) and locale-gen(8) are relevant
[02:03] <jerichowasahoax`> rbasak: yes, debootstrap probably qualifies as "unusual"
[02:03] <rbasak> debootsrap only does half the job :)
[02:04] <jerichowasahoax`> i know, but i'm coming back from gentoo and still like doing some of the heavy lifting myself
[02:04] <gry> thanks for coming, your experience is greatly appreciated
[02:11] <helpthisn000b18> sorry im back
[02:12] <helpthisn000b18> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y7Zxh6rSvG/
[02:19] <oerheks> i have no clue why the raid does not show, in any way
[02:19] <helpthisn000b> thank you for the time , i'm gonna keep digging
[02:19] <sarnold> same
[02:19] <sarnold> good luck helpthisn000b
[02:20] <helpthisn000b> I'm gonna install Hack OS Mojave on a separate HDD and see what happens , just to eliminate HW side
[03:07] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[03:07] <aleksandrdvorkin> does anyone here owns raspberrypi4
[03:08] <gry> maybe; why do you ask?
[03:09] <aleksandrdvorkin> sorry
[03:09] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am trying to make a share on RPI4 running NOOBS
[03:09] <aleksandrdvorkin> but when i click on the folder name i dont see an option Make a folder shared
[03:09] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i have samba running
[03:10] <aleksandrdvorkin> and a second i am trying to mount the Downloads folder on RPI4 with
[03:11] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t cifs /192.168.1.10/Downloads /mnt
[03:11] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i get an error
[03:11] <aleksandrdvorkin> sorry
[03:12] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.10/Downloads/ /mnt
[03:13] <aleksandrdvorkin> so basically two questions
[03:14] <Ascavasaion> I think the /mnt would need to be something like /mnt/Downloads
[03:15] <Ascavasaion> I will not be much help... you need to tell the guys here what the error message is.
[03:15] <aleksandrdvorkin> i dont have nothing in mnt on my laptop there is no folder called Downloads in /mnt
[03:15] <Ascavasaion> and you would have to create a folder called Downloads, or whatever in /mnt
[03:16] <sarnold> you'd just sudo mkdir /mnt/Downloads or whatever
[03:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> but do i need to do it in order to mount the Downloads dir on RPI4 to my laptop /mnt dir
[03:20] <Ascavasaion> I am not sure... but I think you would need a double // at the beginning ... something like //192.168.1.10... blah blah
[03:22] <sarnold> smb/cifs stuff is pretty complicated; you'll want to keep an eye on the logs on both the server and the client when you try to do every single operation
[03:22] <sarnold> you may also way to try troubleshooting with smbclient or if there's a similar cifsclient command, that
[03:23] <ChiLLabiS> 192.168.1.10:/home/$USER/Downloads/ /mnt or something
[03:23] <sarnold> iirc there's something like four or five different authentication mechanisms in the smb protocol, two or three vastly incompatible protocol versions, etc etc
[03:25] <k_sze> What tool can I use to log the resource usage of a particular process over time?
[03:26] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.10:/home/pi/Downloads/ /mnt
[03:26] <aleksandrdvorkin> mount: /mnt bad option ; for several filesystems (e.g nfs,cifs) you might need a /sbin/mount <type>  helper program
[03:26] <sarnold> k_sze: there's dozens of tools for that, from while true ; do sleep 1 ; ps auxw | grep foo ; done >> resource_logs
[03:27] <ChiLLabiS> ok
[03:27] <sarnold> k_sze: .. through tools like collectd or pcp or https://github.com/Netflix/vector
[03:31] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t cifs -o username=pi,password=password //192.168.1.10:/home/pi/Downloads/ /mnt
[03:32] <ChiLLabiS> aleksandrdvorkin: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Mounting_samba_shares_from_a_unix_client
[03:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> why does it keep saying the special device /home/pi/Downloads doesnt exist
[03:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> if i have it on RPI
[03:43] <ChiLLabiS> maybe you need to specify a port too
[03:43] <ChiLLabiS> i dont know
[03:46] <k_sze> Just me or `man proc` doesn't actually explain the values in /proc/<pid>/statm?
[03:46] <k_sze> nvm
[03:50] <Ascavasaion> aleksandrdvorkin: //192.168.1.10:/home/pi/Downloads/ <== I somehow doubt the colon must be there.
[03:51] <Ascavasaion> otherwise you need to insert a port number after the colon I would imagine.
[03:51] <ChiLLabiS> ah my mistake
[03:56] <k_sze> Are GNOME extensions supposed to be system-wide or per-user?
[03:58] <gry> k_sze: they can be either
[03:58] <gry> k_sze: https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/extensions.html.en
[04:02] <k_sze> gry, by default, they are per-user, right?
[04:02] <gry> it seems so, but i would check by hand if possible
[04:03] <k_sze> I don't have any of the files mentioned in this page, so I guess my extensions are still per-user: https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/extensions-enable.html.en
[04:04] <gry> perhaps you can find them in your home directory, then
[04:06] <k_sze> So apparently the instance of `gnome-shell` run as the `gdm` user is *not* supposed to keep running after I have logged into a desktop session?
[04:24] <gry> k_sze: not unless you click the 'switch user' button, i think
[04:25] <k_sze> Apparently it's a known issue on certain systems where the gdm-user gnome-shell won't quit?
[04:25] <k_sze> And that keeps eating up more RAM over the course of the day?
[04:26] <gry> perhaps #gnome has a bit more ideas about this
[06:52] <AugustusCaesar24> im trying ubuntu now from dvd and im trying to connect to wifi but its telling me that no wifi adapters found?
[06:52] <AugustusCaesar24> is this normal because it is trial or should it still be working?
[06:53] <vlt> makaveli: Propably the cryptsetup binary is missing from the initrd image. Maybe because something missing in /etc/crypttab. You can force its inclusion by running `CRYPTSETUP=YES update-initramfs -u` manually.
[06:56] <AugustusCaesar24> i tried running sudo update initramfs -u and it said its disabled since running on read only media
[06:56] <AugustusCaesar24> should i have booted off my usb instead?
[06:56] <AugustusCaesar24> also im noticing that the backlit keyboard is no longer working
[06:57] <Bashing-om> AugustusCaesar24: A lot depends on the WIFI chip set - If the driver is proprietary will not be on the DVD.
[06:57] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: whether it works at all depends heavily on the hardware.
[06:57] <AugustusCaesar24> how would i know if itll work or not?
[06:58] <AugustusCaesar24> how would you know
[06:58] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: as for backlight keyboards, it's also very model specific.
[06:58] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: i would need more information about the hardware.
[06:58] <AugustusCaesar24> toshiba model satellite l55-c5272
[06:58] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: my Latitude E5530 has a backlight keyboard that is totally functional but it also shipped with ubuntu in some markets so that's no surprise.
[06:59] <ryuo> huh. this is going to be an ancientone.
[06:59] <AugustusCaesar24> my friend gave me a laptop that was running windows 10 and i wanted to put ubuntu on it for the first time and mess with ubuntu
[07:00] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: first thing i would do is make sure the BIOS is already at its final verion.
[07:00] <ryuo> version
[07:00] <ryuo> second, we need to know about your wifi hardware to even begin to answer your wifi questions.
[07:01] <r4u1> AugustusCaesar24: You could run the DVD without installing
[07:01] <AugustusCaesar24> thats what im doing currently
[07:01] <ryuo> wifi is usually connected through usb or pci.
[07:01] <AugustusCaesar24> its booting off the dvd without installing
[07:01] <ryuo> thought some obscure devices use sdio
[07:02] <ryuo> anyway
[07:02] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: try running this first: lspci | pastebinit
[07:02] <ryuo> it's probably PCI.
[07:03] <ryuo> give us the resulting url
[07:03] <ryuo> it's a terminal command.
[07:03] <AugustusCaesar24> i got a huge output which part would you like?
[07:04] <ryuo> err
[07:04] <ryuo> you should have gotten a url if you used pastebinit with that command
[07:04] <AugustusCaesar24> oh i missed that
[07:05] <ryuo> hm. i'm guessing it'll be an intel device.
[07:06] <AugustusCaesar24> it says i dont have pastebinit and i have to install that
[07:06] <AugustusCaesar24> it is intel
[07:06] <ryuo> oh. go figure.
[07:06] <ryuo> ok...
[07:06] <ryuo> can you give us the line that says
[07:06] <ryuo> Network controller?
[07:06] <AugustusCaesar24> broadcom inc and subsidiaries
[07:06] <ryuo> the whole thing
[07:07] <AugustusCaesar24> BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
[07:07] <ryuo> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[07:07] <ryuo> is mine
[07:08] <AugustusCaesar24> ours is pretty close then
[07:08] <ryuo> BCM43142.. an obscure one. let me see.
[07:08] <AugustusCaesar24> i think
[07:08] <ryuo> broadcom-sta-dkms is the driver for it.
[07:08] <ryuo> not installed by default.
[07:09] <ryuo> so it should work after install.
[07:09] <ryuo> as for the keyboard
[07:09] <AugustusCaesar24> gotcha
[07:09] <ryuo> that depends on laptop specific drivers.
[07:09] <ryuo> so
[07:09] <AugustusCaesar24> how would you know what driver it needs?
[07:10] <ryuo> what i suggest is updating the BIOS if it's not at the last one Toshiba released.
[07:10] <AugustusCaesar24> also after the install would i do sudo apt-get install to get all the drivers?
[07:10] <AugustusCaesar24> hmmm ill look into seeing how i can update the bios
[07:10] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: for wifi, sure.
[07:10] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: well, you could try a dmidecode as root first to see if it's even necessary.
[07:10] <AugustusCaesar24> gotcha
[07:11] <ryuo> the section that says BIOS Information should have a Version field
[07:11] <AugustusCaesar24> what doe dmidecode do?
[07:11] <ryuo> it dumps system information (DMI)
[07:12] <ryuo> https://linux.die.net/man/8/dmidecode
[07:12] <AugustusCaesar24> i ran demidecode and i got a huge result
[07:12] <ryuo> indeed.
[07:12] <AugustusCaesar24> linux is so cool
[07:13] <AugustusCaesar24> i can open many pages and it wont destroy the performance
[07:13] <AugustusCaesar24> on windows after 3 open windows it would crash
[07:13] <ryuo> Here's what my section looks like.
[07:13] <AugustusCaesar24> is there something i should be looking for backlit keyboard?
[07:14] <ryuo> er 3 open windows i
[07:14] <ryuo> no
[07:14] <ryuo> http://dpaste.com/0AF7KGA
[07:14] <ryuo> this is just to check for BIOS version.
[07:15] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: wait, crash?
[07:15] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: it freezes?
[07:16] <tomreyn> this also gives you the relevant model / BIOS info on a single line:   journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[07:16] <AugustusCaesar24> bios is vebdir ubsyde ciro version 5.2 release daet 1/11/2016
[07:16] <AugustusCaesar24> do we need more
[07:16] <AugustusCaesar24> yeah it slows down
[07:16] <ryuo> 5.2
[07:17] <AugustusCaesar24> i meant slow down but i said crash
[07:17] <ryuo> well, well. it's already at the last bios.
[07:17] <ryuo> that's a shocker. many people don't keep their systems current.
[07:18] <ryuo> ok then...
[07:18] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: what ubuntu release is it?
[07:18] <AugustusCaesar24> 18.04
[07:19] <ryuo> ok..
[07:19] <AugustusCaesar24> when i hit fn + z it recognizes that there should be backlit keyboard because i get the icon on screen the backlit doesnt happen
[07:19] <ryuo> let me see what i can find out. i've never used toshiba.
[07:19] <AugustusCaesar24> me neither
[07:19] <AugustusCaesar24> itll be a first for both of us
[07:19] <AugustusCaesar24> i typically enjoy hp
[07:20] <ryuo> HP... is garbage if you're using their consumer products.
[07:20] <ryuo> but either way..
[07:20] <ryuo> let's see what i can find... though it'd help if
[07:20] <ryuo> i knew what modules were loaded.
[07:21] <AugustusCaesar24> is there a way we can find that out?
[07:21] <ryuo> yes. lsmod, but you don't have pastebinit installed.
[07:21] <ryuo> i thought the ISOs came with it.
[07:21] <AugustusCaesar24> yep i got huge amount of stuff
[07:21] <AugustusCaesar24> what are we looking for
[07:22] <ryuo> probably a module named toshiba or so
[07:22] <AugustusCaesar24> i see sparse_keymap named toshiba_acpi
[07:23] <tomreyn> lsmod | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:23] <ryuo> ok... seems the toshiba_acpi module is responsible for the keyboard.
[07:25] <AugustusCaesar24> we are getting close
[07:26] <AugustusCaesar24> is it a driver that needs to be updated or installed or something
[07:26] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: Linux doesn't have drivers as you understand them.
[07:26] <ryuo> most come as part of the standard kernel.
[07:27] <ryuo> the rest are provided as external kernel modules in DKMS packages
[07:27] <AugustusCaesar24> so dkms are like drivers?
[07:27] <ryuo> these are the closest to an actual "driver"
[07:27] <AugustusCaesar24> gotcha
[07:27] <ryuo> but it's different.
[07:27] <ryuo> these are build from source.
[07:27] <ryuo> built
[07:27] <ryuo> *
[07:28] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: so when you use the keyboard function key, it produces a reaction on screen but does nothing else?
[07:28] <AugustusCaesar24> yes exactly
[07:28] <ryuo> are you sure it's not screen brightness?
[07:29] <AugustusCaesar24> no i have keys for screen brightness and those do things
[07:29] <ryuo> ok.
[07:30] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: please run this and give us the output: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:30] <AugustusCaesar24> got it!
[07:30] <ryuo> dmesg may reveal something interesting.
[07:31] <AugustusCaesar24> termin.com port 99999 is not known
[07:31] <AugustusCaesar24> should i run it without that?
[07:31] <ryuo> uh...
[07:31] <ryuo> you typoed it
[07:31] <ryuo> ?
[07:31] <ryuo> wait...
[07:32] <tomreyn> two typos
[07:32] <ryuo> is this machine even connected to a network?
[07:32] <AugustusCaesar24> no i tried to connect it to wifi but i couldnt so ill have to wait until i install it on hdd and then im guessing itll work
[07:32] <ryuo> you can't use ethernet?
[07:33] <AugustusCaesar24> if i connect to ethernet i might be disconnected from here for a moment
[07:33] <AugustusCaesar24> ill try it
[07:33] <AugustusCaesar24> give me a sec
[07:33] <ryuo> ok..
[07:41] <AugustusCaesar24> ok im back
[07:42] <AugustusCaesar24> the url that it gave out was     https://termbin.com/d9w6
[07:44] <ryuo> hm. secure boot is active.
[07:44] <ryuo> this means you can't boot just any linux kernel...
[07:45] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: you may have to disable secure boot if you use a different distribution.
[07:45] <AugustusCaesar24> meaning its a bios problem?
[07:45] <ryuo> nah, it's unrelated to the keyboard.
[07:45] <AugustusCaesar24> how do you disable secure boot?
[07:45] <ryuo> just an observation.
[07:46] <ryuo> BIOS option.
[07:46] <AugustusCaesar24> gotcha
[07:46] <ryuo> let's see
[07:46] <ryuo> says keyboard-backlight should be working...
[07:46] <ryuo> hm.
[07:47] <AugustusCaesar24> could secure bios be why backlit keyboard is not happy?
[07:47] <ryuo> doubt it.
[07:47] <AugustusCaesar24> i was looking for the icon and heres what i see when i try to hit fn + z https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086070/keyboard-backlight-ubuntu-18-10-not-working
[07:48] <AugustusCaesar24> it looks like that icon but just a but more curved key which im guessing is just an updated icon from version 14
[07:49] <tomreyn> your manual at https://content.us.dynabook.com/content/support/manuals/userguides/su4007657/GMAD00424012_SatSat-Pro-L40-L50-L70-S50-P50_C-Series_16Jan15.pdf also says Fn-Z
[07:50] <ryuo> next thing to try is poking around /sys...
[07:50] <ryuo> i once had a situation where the backlight software controls worked but the function keys didn't.
[07:50] <AugustusCaesar24> i also tried xset led 3 but that didnt work either
[07:50] <ryuo> that's... unrelated.
[07:50] <AugustusCaesar24> that seems like a worse problem though
[07:50] <ryuo> keyboard LEDs. it predates backlit keyboards.
[07:51] <ryuo> not really... you're actually having a response.
[07:51] <ryuo> it's just not triggering anything else.
[07:51] <ryuo> though if this doesn't work
[07:51] <ryuo> it's not a critical issue.
[07:51] <ryuo> but nayway
[07:52] <ryuo> let's check it out
[07:52] <ryuo> try this
[07:52] <tomreyn> there should be a bios configuration screen (power management) which allows for enabling the keyboard backlight statically.
[07:52] <ryuo> ls -l /sys/class/leds
[07:52] <tomreyn> also this may work:  echo 2 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness
[07:53] <ryuo> tomreyn: how'd you know the exact name?
[07:53] <ryuo> i presumed i'd have to see what's in /sys/class/leds
[07:53] <tomreyn> i'm just guessing based on what i found online about a different toshiba model.
[07:53] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/780176/how-to-make-my-toshiba-u940-laptops-keyboard-backlit-to-work
[07:53] <ryuo> ok.
[07:54] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: what do you see when you look in /sys/class/leds
[07:54] <ryuo> ls -l /sys/class/leds
[07:55] <ryuo> if this works then...
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> it just echos back 2 and the keyboard is still dark and with the ls command i se a bunch of inputs
[07:55] <MonTaGaTnoM> howdy
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> 4 lines of lrwxrwxrwx to be exact
[07:55] <MonTaGaTnoM> is it normal for trackpads to stop working when the keyboard is used in 18.04?
[07:55] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: the rightmost lines?
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> MonTaGaTnoM howdy!
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> there are 4 rows
[07:56] <ryuo> MonTaGaTnoM: that's a feature; it may be configured to disable trackpad during typing.
[07:56] <ryuo> MonTaGaTnoM: check the trackpad settings, iirc.
[07:56] <AugustusCaesar24> last one on each line says capslock then numlock scrollloc toshiba::kbd_backlight
[07:56] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: curious...
[07:56] <MonTaGaTnoM> I'm in mouse & touchpad
[07:57] <MonTaGaTnoM> when I plug in a USB mouse, it doesn't do that
[07:57] <MonTaGaTnoM> only with the built in touchpad and keyboard
[07:57] <AugustusCaesar24> could it be a bios bug?
[07:57] <tomreyn> MonTaGaTnoM: it's not in Settings, you'll need to use gnome-tweaks ("Tweaks")
[07:57] <MonTaGaTnoM> in ubuntu budgie?
[07:57] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: what's in /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/max_brightness ?
[07:58] <MonTaGaTnoM> budgie doesn't use gnome, but QT5
[07:58] <tomreyn> MonTaGaTnoM: i'm not familiar with budgie, maybe ask in its dedicated channel
[07:58] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: i mean, run this: cat /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/max_brightness
[07:59] <AugustusCaesar24> i get 1
[07:59] <AugustusCaesar24> after running that one
[07:59] <ryuo> huh.
[07:59] <ryuo> ok... so it's just a simple on/off
[07:59] <ryuo> ok, now try this
[07:59] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: i mean, run this: cat /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness
[08:00] <AugustusCaesar24> 0
[08:00] <ryuo> ok. now try this
[08:00] <ryuo> echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness
[08:00] <AugustusCaesar24> when i was doing it on windows it had 3 modes, on, off, and on when typing on it
[08:00] <AugustusCaesar24> ok
[08:01] <AugustusCaesar24> when i do the echo i get 1
[08:01] <ryuo> and still nothing?
[08:01] <AugustusCaesar24> nada
[08:01] <ryuo> try this again
[08:01] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: i mean, run this: cat /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness
[08:01] <ryuo> if it's still 0 then it didn't take
[08:02] <AugustusCaesar24> 0
[08:02] <ryuo> try this: dmesg | tail
[08:02] <ryuo> anything looking like an error?
[08:03] <AugustusCaesar24> no it seems happy
[08:03] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: ok... well... the only way i can see this being fixed is by a newer kernel.
[08:04] <ryuo> let me see what's been done with this driver in kernel lately
[08:04] <AugustusCaesar24> is it just not gonna work then?
[08:04] <AugustusCaesar24> or should i try ubuntu 19 instead?
 there should be a bios configuration screen (power management) which allows for enabling the keyboard backlight statically.
[08:05] <ryuo> 19.10? can't hurt.
[08:05] <ryuo> that and tomreyn's suggestion.
[08:05] <ryuo> it might be something that was fixed in a newer kernel.
[08:05] <MonTaGaTnoM> well, I installed touchpad-indicator, still nothing
[08:06] <ryuo> ... ahah.
[08:07] <ryuo> platform/x86: toshiba_acpi: Update KBD backlight LED on second gen laptops
[08:07] <AugustusCaesar24> i think the trackpad is now locked
[08:07] <AugustusCaesar24> hmmm what does that mean
[08:07] <ryuo> Fri Jun 15 11:46:27 2018
[08:07] <ryuo> hm.
[08:07] <ryuo> did this make it into 4.15?
[08:07] <AugustusCaesar24> the trackpad isnt very important i think i can just restart it if need be and it should be okay
[08:08] <AugustusCaesar24> am i second gen laptop?
[08:08] <AugustusCaesar24> and how would you know?
[08:08] <MonTaGaTnoM> I believe ubuntu budgie runs far better than KDE Neon on that laptop
[08:09] <ryuo> i don't, but it's the closest clue to what's going on.
[08:09] <MonTaGaTnoM> gnome-tweaks works on ubuntu budgie o.o
[08:10] <ryuo> MonTaGaTnoM: what version is it?
[08:10] <ryuo> 18.04?
[08:10] <MonTaGaTnoM> 18.04.3
[08:10] <ryuo> i think that was still based on GTK.
[08:10] <MonTaGaTnoM> really?
[08:10] <ryuo> possibly. i don't use budgie but it was once based on gtk.
[08:11] <MonTaGaTnoM> my nvidia drivers are behaving though :)
[08:11] <MonTaGaTnoM> I'm glad this is working
[08:13] <AugustusCaesar24> should i try out 19 now. are we giving up on 18.04 for backlit keyboard
[08:13] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: go ahead; for now.
[08:13] <AugustusCaesar24> okie dokes
[08:14] <AugustusCaesar24> ill start the download
[08:14] <ryuo> it might be fixable by installing a newer kernel.
[08:14] <AugustusCaesar24> got it!
[08:14] <ryuo> but this is the easiest way to find out w/o an install.
[08:14] <MonTaGaTnoM> aye my dell keyboard is backlit on 18.04
[08:15] <tomreyn> AugustusCaesar24: depending on what "19" really is, you may end up with the same kernel version you're already running.
[08:15] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | AugustusCaesar24
[08:15] <AugustusCaesar24> 19.10
[08:16] <tomreyn> ubuntu 19.10 comes with linux 5.3, so that's newer.
[08:16] <AugustusCaesar24> yay! improvement
[08:16] <ryuo> not necessarily.
[08:16] <AugustusCaesar24> hurray for possibility!
[08:16] <ryuo> lol
[08:17] <AugustusCaesar24> dammit!
[08:17] <tomreyn> unlikely. the latest toshiba_acpi patch went into linux 4.19
[08:17] <ryuo> but, who knows where the fault lies exactly?
[08:17] <ryuo> a newer stack may produce a new outcome.
[08:18] <AugustusCaesar24> it was having problems starting on windows too
[08:18] <ryuo> on the bright side this isn't a critical feature for most
[08:18] <AugustusCaesar24> after several times of hitting it it would change brightness
[08:18] <AugustusCaesar24> lol the bright side
[08:18] <AugustusCaesar24> pun intended
[08:18] <AugustusCaesar24> lol
[08:18] <ryuo> the backlight feature is implemented differently.
[08:19] <ryuo> HP laptops appear to do it entirely in hardware.
[08:19] <ryuo> it works under linux, but even windows has no software controls.
[08:19] <AugustusCaesar24> its not in the bios right?
[08:19] <ryuo> maybe on yours it is.
[08:19] <ryuo> it's very model specific.
[08:24] <tomreyn> those should be the relevant options on the bios "power management" menu: https://i.imgur.com/0BVAuve.png
[08:24] <AugustusCaesar24> should it be set to timer or on?
[08:25] <tomreyn> up to you
[08:25] <AugustusCaesar24> the bios that i have is bit more of a gui
[08:25] <ryuo> self-destruct ;)
[08:25] <ryuo> or better yet
[08:25] <AugustusCaesar24> hmm ill see what its on currently and whatever its on ill change it to something else
[08:25] <ryuo> "AHHH MY EYES"
[08:25] <AugustusCaesar24> lol
[08:28] <MonTaGaTnoM> ahh good, ubuntu budgie is spinning all my laptops fans
[08:28] <ryuo> MonTaGaTnoM: Progress!
[08:29] <MonTaGaTnoM> KDE Neon kept them rather low
[08:51] <milankragujevic> Hey everyone, I'm sorry if I'm interrupting, I just wanted to ask how can I collect info about my system for bug reporting? I ran ubuntu-bug [package] and it collected data, prompted me to report it, uploaded to launchpad, I choose the existing bug, but the data then disappeared.
[08:53] <tomreyn> milankragujevic: your uploaded data is not linked to the bug report if you select an existing bug. if you still want it to become available you can file a new bug then mark this as a duplicate of the existing bug report (if you're certain it is).
[08:53] <tomreyn> also, this is a perfectly fine question ofor this support channel, so you're not interrupting. ;-)
[08:55] <dax> i know when it was called apport there was `apport-collect bugnumberhere` to add logs to an existing bug. dunno if there's still something like that
[08:55] <milankragujevic> @tomreyn ahhh thanks so much :)
[08:55] <tomreyn> right dax, this still works, too
[08:56] <milankragujevic> @dax yes there's that too, I'm going to try it too, though I was warned both online and by the program since I'm not the reporter of the bug.
[08:58] <milankragujevic> So, I ran apport-collect [bugid], allowed OAuth, and it's hanging. It collected data and now nothing is happening but the program is still running.
[09:00] <milankragujevic> Ah it succeeded the second time. Seems it hung up for some reason, I killed apport, ran the command again, and this time after collecting info it asked me to approve the report to be sent. I did and it sent and now it's visible on launchpad. Thanks so much :)
[09:04] <madwizard> 3~
[09:05] <madwizard> ops, sorry
[09:36] <nikolam> Any better Linux tool for creating Windows Bootable USB form ISO, then WoeUSB?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: winusb :p
[09:49] <Guest22841> Hi, I just have installed Xubuntu 19.10, currently using external hdmi monitor but pavucontrol doesn't detect the hdmi sound output. Would this be related to display drivers? Laptop has nvidia optimus and I haven't installed the nvidia drivers
[09:49] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, thank you much. Seems like winusb is from 2015 , site is down and latest PPA is here, if we are thinking of the same thing : https://launchpad.net/%7Ecolingille/+archive/ubuntu/freshlight/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: just be careful with adding external ppa's we dont support them see !ppa
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> Guest22841: optimus cards requier the nvidia driver to work properly, and be able to switch betwene intel/nvidia
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> Guest22841: ubuntu-drivers list , will show you the available drivers for your card
[09:54] <erkana> I actually don't want to use the nvidia drivers for battery life and I think hdmi sound output is being detected on gnome with default drivers
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> erkana: if you dont install the nvidia drivers, you automatic fallback to nouveau, wich isnt able to switch between intel and nvidia
[09:56] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, yes. I also checked last time it was available was for 15.04 so fat chances. Thanks
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> erkana: if you want a batter battery life, you can choose powersave mode (intel) via the install nvidia driver
[09:58] <erkana> lotuspsychje, I didn't knew I could still use intel after installing nvidia drivers, I will try that now. Thanks
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> erkana: yes you can, with nvidia-settings you can switch between them
[10:10] <Guest12118> lotuspsychje: I installed the nvidia drivers but pavucontrol still not detecting the hdmi output device
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> erkana: did you goto sound options and choose your hdmi sound?
[10:18] <BlastuR> hey! i have an ubuntu system where i want to avoid upgrading the kernel (because there are a few proprietary kernel modules in the system that only works with the current kernel version). What package do need to "hold" to prevent apt-get from upgrading the kernel? When I do "apt-get dist-upgrade", I see that it for example plans to upgrade the package called "linux-generic". But there is also
[10:18] <BlastuR> linux-firmware, linux-base, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic etc. Is there a single package i can "hold" to prevent upgrading anything related to the kernel? This is on Ubuntu 16 BTW
[10:19] <Vuurdraak>  lol i get pushed out of ubuntu before the irc client can ident it self to the server :D
[10:20] <Vuurdraak> question: is there a proccess in ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64 bit, that reads the disks content and imifiatly stops as soon as i launch "glances" to check what is doing that ?
[10:20] <Vuurdraak> imidiatly*
[10:20] <erkana> lotuspsychje: I was expecting pavucontrol to auto-detect the devices but it didn't. Once I tried each output hdmi devices in the configuration tab, one of them started working, thanks for the help
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome erkana
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> erkana: for battery life, also see: laptop-mode-tools
[10:44] <adrian_1908> Vuurdraak: You mean, you suspect some process is doing what you describe?
[10:45] <FastCode> Hi, Can anyone here point me to an active Gtk+/Gtk# channel?
[10:48] <adrian_1908> FastCode: #gtk+ looks like your best bet, if that's not active (many channels aren't) then I doubt you'll find a better one on another network. If you're developing with GTK, then maybe it would be worthwhile to join a mailing list.
[10:52] <FastCode> adrian_1908: Thanks. I'm actually developing for gtk# and 'requirements' are forcing me to migrate to gtk4 early. asking meebey and knocte(mono, gtk-sharp, smuxi developer/maintainers) has yielded no answer and I'm slowly losing hope.
[10:56] <adrian_1908> That's unfortunate, I know the frustration (of getting no response from supposed communication channels). No experience with Gtk or C# myself, so cannot help.
[10:58] <Vuurdraak> adrian_1908, yes, it seems suspicios, as when i open the normal system monitor as a user and as root i can not see anything that is using up spu, and the disk reading at high speeds continues, how ever when i open glances in a terminal the disk reading immidiatly stops it seems weird
[10:58] <Vuurdraak> cpu*
[11:00] <adrian_1908> Vuurdraak: that is indeed very odd! Maybe try another tool like `htop` (you'll need to enable the IO_RATE or similar columns) and see if that changes things.
[11:00] <Vuurdraak> this happens after booting the OS
[11:00] <FastCode> schrodingers disk. hmm
[11:00] <Vuurdraak> okay i can try that
[11:00] <FastCode> have you tried iotop?
[11:01] <Vuurdraak> no
[11:01] <adrian_1908> or iotop yes, that's maybe better suited actually.
[11:02] <Vuurdraak> thanks for the tip, got it installed now, i'll check it with iotop first next time see what happens
[11:04] <Vuurdraak> as i understood it also from articles online ubuntu is not doing actual file indexing, so it seems weird that it would do long fast disk reads
[11:04] <imi> hi, is there a way to connect to this "checkpoint endpoint security VPN" using linux?
[11:04] <FastCode> it does, actually
[11:05] <imi> as long as it can be simplified to starting a single shell script, commandline solutions would be acceptable as well
[11:05] <FastCode> AFAIK, there is mlocate cron. balloo and gnome lenses thingy
[11:05] <FastCode> and there used to be akonadi
[11:05] <FastCode> (Rest in hell)
[11:05] <adrian_1908> I'm on Xubuntu, the only processes that do recurring writes (not reads) are Firefox and the disk journal.
[11:05] <FastCode> oh
[11:06] <Vuurdraak> as i understood it stuff you accessed is remembered, but there is no actual trawling of directories for indexing
[11:06] <FastCode> there is. but it shouldn't take that long. unless the contents are also indexed
[11:07] <Vuurdraak> ah okay
[11:07] <adrian_1908> imi: what is "checkpoint endpoint security VPN"? Doesn't sound too trustworthy.
[11:08] <Vuurdraak> with any VPN check if they got linux support
[11:08] <FastCode> For example: http://paste.debian.net/1118359
[11:08] <FastCode> takes 0.8 seconds to run
[11:09] <Vuurdraak> thats realy fast :)
[11:09] <FastCode> I like to 'tune' stuff.
[11:09] <FastCode> I think the name kinda shows
[11:10] <Vuurdraak> no i see like multi GB/sec disk read for a prety long time
[11:11]  * FastCode removes hat. puts back. and upon reading last sentence, tries to stop his eyes from popping off.
[11:11] <Vuurdraak> xD
[11:11] <FastCode> WUT, multigig/sec?
[11:11] <Vuurdraak> ow right sorry
[11:11] <Vuurdraak> MB :')
[11:11] <Vuurdraak> was my imagination that i got realy fast disks, i was dreaming there for a moment sorry :')
[11:12] <adrian_1908> Vuurdraak: Just checked, `(sudo) iotop -a` will list accumulated I/O, rather than current, so that should be more insightful. Just let it run int the background for a while.
[11:12] <FastCode> I do have the nuclear option. have you tried strace/LD_PRELOAD?
[11:13] <FastCode> the trick is to stop your display manager, open a shell with strace and log its output and from within that shell, run your display manager and your io monitor programs
[11:14] <Vuurdraak> mmm okay :)
[11:14] <FastCode> missed a . after output. makes the sentence wierd.
[11:14] <FastCode> you're gonna have to read of on the strace documentation though, it's not very easy.
[11:14] <carlesc> how can I find out where my disk space is gone when there is a ~32GB disparity between `df /dev/sda1` and `du -h /` ?
[11:15] <Vuurdraak> yeh i first check it the next time i see it happen with (sudo) iotop -a , and if the same weird stuff happens iaw it stops as soon as i fire that up i will try to start to do more fancy stuff
[11:16] <FastCode> that's just SI and base-2 being different
[11:16] <FastCode> df reports 2^10 and then 1000 1000
[11:16] <carlesc> Essentially I am getting: `/dev/sda1        61G   53G  5.9G  90% /` from `df` but  `35G     /` from `du`
[11:16] <FastCode> but du is just 2^(10*n)
[11:17] <carlesc> FastCode: I think the disparity is not due to SI and base-2 here
[11:17] <FastCode> oh
[11:17] <FastCode> that's so high
[11:17] <carlesc> we're talking 53G vs 35G
[11:17] <FastCode> you're correct
[11:17] <FastCode> have you tried baobab?
[11:18] <FastCode> maybe there is something that du doesn't show
[11:18] <ouyes> I remember there was a create empty document when you click the right button of mouse, where does it go? Sometimes I want to create empty text document, this is really unconvient on 18.04
[11:18] <carlesc> FastCode: I tried baobab and ncdu, same results, ~35GB
[11:18] <FastCode> ouyes: ~/Templates
[11:19] <FastCode> ouyes: in it, create the templates you want. an empty file named empty document will do the trick.
[11:19] <carlesc> FastCode: worth mentioning that I used to have a 32GB drive, then added 32GB more to it (this is a VM)
[11:19] <FastCode> ah
[11:19] <FastCode> oh
[11:19] <carlesc> so something went wrong during the partition merge perhaps?
[11:20] <FastCode> is it possible that the host is over-provisioned or something?
[11:20] <FastCode> I've seen ram wierdness like that
[11:20] <carlesc> FastCode: no, the Host has plenty of space free
[11:20] <tatertots> `the disk is %90 used though
[11:20] <FastCode> what does parted say?
[11:20] <FastCode> parted /dev/sda
[11:20] <FastCode> u B
[11:20] <FastCode> print
[11:21] <FastCode> quit
[11:21] <tatertots> so you're reaching that point where it's gonna be tough to have enough space to do much
[11:21] <tatertots> 61GB isn't really much anyhow
[11:21] <carlesc> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VcAcBUNx/
[11:22] <tatertots> not sure what you were going to do with a VM with such a tiny disk ...besides watch it boot up
[11:22] <carlesc> tatertots: but `du` or baobab only show 35GB used
[11:22]  * FastCode uses VM with 1GB disk:)
[11:22] <Vuurdraak> lol
[11:22] <FastCode> for apache reverse ssl proxy
[11:22] <carlesc> tatertots: this  is a dev machine, 32GB used to be more than enough but I now have additional repos and extended it to 64GB
[11:23] <carlesc> FastCode: the parted output seems reasonable
[11:23] <tatertots> more like 53GB used out of the 61GB total...making it %90 filled...%10 free space
[11:23] <tatertots> you're down to the wire
[11:23] <carlesc> tatertots: that's what df says, but du says 35GB
[11:23] <FastCode> yup, 64 gb and the partition looks like it's expanded correctly
[11:23] <tomreyn> ouyes: on ubuntu 18.04.3 with gnome-shell / mutter and nautilus i do see the "New Document" -> "Plain Text" context menu option.
[11:23] <carlesc> so I am wondering where my other ~30GB are
[11:24] <FastCode> oh
[11:24] <FastCode> I know
[11:24] <FastCode> Dang
[11:24] <FastCode> I'm so stupid for not realizing
[11:24] <FastCode> unlinked open files.
[11:24] <FastCode> duh
[11:24] <tatertots> if you started with 32..then added another 32...that would be the 61GB we see above (minus overhead)
[11:24] <FastCode> I've had this happen before
[11:25] <FastCode> and the steps that I just iterated over here is what i did to solve my problem
[11:25] <tomreyn> !enter | FastCode
[11:25] <FastCode> only to realize how I figured it out.
[11:25] <carlesc> FastCode: I see, is there a way to prune those?
[11:25] <tatertots> of that 61GB you've used 53GB....so yeah..not much left...just add more like when you added the 32
[11:25] <carlesc> tatertots: FastCode
[11:25] <carlesc> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vWkUCP5S/image.png
[11:26] <FastCode> carlesc: rebooting does it. usually.
[11:26] <carlesc> FastCode: ok, let me try that
[11:27] <carlesc> FastCode: nope, same thing
[11:27] <FastCode> I pissed the bot off?
[11:28] <imi> adrian_1908: this is it: https://postimg.cc/c6zMmQPt
[11:28] <tatertots> well you're holding 20GB of stuff in users home ...probably downloads and stuff...just add more space like you did before
[11:28] <FastCode> mount output, /etc/fstab contents, and crontab -l | grep reboot
[11:29] <Vuurdraak> can there also not be extra stuff in root ?
[11:29] <carlesc> FastCode: wait. If I do `sudo du` then the number there matches
[11:29] <carlesc> so it must be files that are only visible for su
[11:29] <FastCode> lol, permissions
[11:29] <Vuurdraak> must be extra stuff not detected as non root
[11:29] <adrian_1908> imi: and you want use it on Linux? I would check the provider of the service regarding that. VPN is a technology, not an application, so support on one OS doesn't guarantee it on othes.
[11:30] <carlesc> FastCode: Vuurdraak: yep, found it. `/var/lib/docker/overlay2` is the culprit
[11:30] <carlesc> baobab and du can't see it unless run as root
[11:30] <FastCode> hence the mount, fstab, ... requests:)
[11:30] <Vuurdraak> :)
[11:31] <tatertots> that's only going to net you about 3GB more space if you were to purge that
[11:31] <tatertots> so you'll still only have about 12GB free
[11:32] <tatertots> but if that's enough ..good deal...if not just add more like you did last time
[11:33] <Vuurdraak> all current ubuntu versions now automaticly remove old kernels not ? in the past with 14.04 i had to remove them by hand
[11:34] <Vuurdraak> sudo apt-get remove --purge $(dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d')
[11:34] <tatertots> that's neat..so there's a little auto house keeping now
[11:34] <Vuurdraak> i did that in the past to remove all old kernels and create space
[11:36] <tomreyn> imi: there's https://supportcenter.checkpoint.com/supportcenter/portal?solutionid=sk114267 , you can also download a client from the VPN gateway directly at https://<hostname_of_check_point_snx_gateway>/SNX/INSTALL/snx_install.sh
[11:36] <adrian_1908> Vuurdraak: yes, old kernels are purge automatically nowadays.
[11:36] <Vuurdraak> yeh
[11:36] <Vuurdraak> i gues it wont do much then nkow adays
[11:37] <tomreyn> imi: you may also be able to use network-manager with network-manager-l2tp-gnome but i can't tell this for sure.
[11:39] <carlesc> tatertots: it was more like 23GB in my case
[11:39] <carlesc> FastCode: thanks!
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:47] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!!! Hello!!!!
[11:47] <marcoagpinto> >:) <- it is your brother demon here
[11:49] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:55] <PeGaSuS> help! does anyone know why I'm getting the following error when I use `loginctl enable-linger $USER`: Could not enable linger: Read-only file system?
[11:56] <PeGaSuS> I have no idea about what's going on. it's a VPS that someone gave me yesterday to put an IRC server
[11:57] <tomreyn> PeGaSuS: well, is it a read-only file system?
[11:58] <tomreyn> "mount" should tell
[12:00] <PeGaSuS> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/kxeh
[12:02] <tomreyn> i assume it would write to this, which was mounted writable: /dev/vda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[12:02] <tomreyn> are there I/O errors on    journalctl -f
[12:05] <PeGaSuS> tomreyn: only this: https://termbin.com/3jky
[12:05] <PeGaSuS> that's the output of journalctl -f
[12:08] <PeGaSuS> I'm totally lost though
[12:11] <Vuurdraak> PeGaSuS, it says "authentication failure" im assuming your not logged in as root there
[12:11] <PeGaSuS> this is my dmesg output: https://termbin.com/wi97
[12:12] <PeGaSuS> and yes, I'm logged in as root. the VPS is on a dedicated server of a friend. it was him who created the VPS
[12:12] <PeGaSuS> probably he did something wrong?
[12:14] <PeGaSuS> worth to mention that it's Ubuntu Eoan (19.10). I've upgraded myself via do-release-upgrade from Ubuntu 18.10
[12:15] <FastCode> That's a corrupted filesystem. fsck it.
[12:15] <FastCode> carefuly. if You have important data on it. back it up first.
[12:16] <PeGaSuS> I've logged out and logged in again and this is the recent `journalctl -f`: https://termbin.com/5072
[12:18] <salamanderrake> Anyone have an issue where linux causes your system to hard lock with a cpu error? I doubt its just linux, and its more likely my mobo/cpu but it only happens in Linux, not windows that I know of.
[12:20] <PeGaSuS> unfortunately I can't stay any longer. I'll be back this afternoon (around 6pm CET).
[12:20] <PeGaSuS> and I'll talk to my friend about this
[12:20] <PeGaSuS> thanks for the help so far folks
[12:21] <Vuurdraak> PeGaSuS, see you later, yeh only thing i can see is that the system throws the file system in to read only mode with that opts error
[12:22] <PeGaSuS> I assume that my friend doesn't know well how to work with the system that creates the VPS (virtualizor or wtv)
[12:23] <PeGaSuS> and probably he did something wrong. I'll try to drag him here too, so we can fix this. I assume that we'll need to redo the entire machine *sighs*
[12:23] <Vuurdraak> :(
[12:23] <PeGaSuS> see you later guys. and once again, thanks for all the prompt answers and help
[12:23] <Vuurdraak> laters
[12:24] <Vuurdraak> salamanderrake, idk what cpu mobo combo you got, but if its like a brand new just released mobo/cpu sometimes it doesnt work on linux out of the box like ryzen
[12:24] <Vuurdraak> maybe try search online to see if others are reporting problems
[12:25] <salamanderrake> No, this is old, its a bulldozer cpu.
[12:25] <Vuurdraak> i got one too, i have no problems with my fx 8370e
[12:25] <salamanderrake> Yeah, everyone I found online complain about a nopost situation, but my system posts, but it crashes later.
[12:26] <salamanderrake> And there are no warnings in journalctl
[12:27] <Vuurdraak> anything maybe in var/log/kern.log or sys.log ?
[12:27] <Vuurdraak> *syslog
[12:30] <tomreyn> salamanderrake: whats the cpu error message?
[12:30] <salamanderrake> Oh, its just the red cpu light on the mobo.
[12:31] <tomreyn> do a memory test
[12:39] <salamanderrake> If it was memory, wouldn't the memory cpu light light up?
[12:41] <Vuurdraak> i guess its just to make sure that it can run the memtest correctly, it could also detect errors in the cpu cahce i guess
[12:41] <Vuurdraak> you can select memtest from the grub boot menu
[12:42] <salamanderrake> I can't run memtest
[12:42] <salamanderrake> I'm on a 64 bit system
[12:42] <salamanderrake> and its not installed.
[12:42] <Vuurdraak> huh ?
[12:42] <Vuurdraak> try run it from a live usb stick ?
[12:43] <Vuurdraak> i thought memtest was always there in the boot menu, im on 64 bit too, it has nothng to do with 64 bit
[12:44] <Vuurdraak> or mamybe its hidden under 'extra's' ?
[12:44] <salamanderrake> Well, I can try it, never had any luck.
[12:44] <salamanderrake> maybe
[12:44] <jeremy31> Might have to boot in Legacy mode for memtest
[12:45] <Intelo> Hi
[12:47] <Intelo> My UI freezes after some minutes of boot. I use kbuntu 19.x. It was happening when I didnt upgraded as was using 16.x LTS. a) How can I check my harddisk health? b) How can I check fsck. Recovery mode says its mounted, so cannot check. How to check without bootable cd?
[12:47] <Vuurdraak> we dont support kbuntu in here
[12:49] <Vuurdraak> btw maybe its mounted read only it needs to be mounted readable
[12:51] <salamanderrake> Yeah, memtest86+ isn't even in the grub menu, and I just reinstalled it.
[12:51] <Vuurdraak> are you in UEFI mode ?
[12:51] <Vuurdraak> try disabeling UEFI if its on and see if it shows up
[12:52] <Vuurdraak> memtest
[12:53] <salamanderrake> Ah, its not supported yet
[12:53] <salamanderrake> I need memtest v5 and above
[12:55] <salamanderrake> Nevermind, I guess its still not enabled with uefi support.
[12:55] <Vuurdraak>  i can remember that UEFI and buldozer didnt like each other with linux , i have it disabled my self
[12:55] <salamanderrake> I never had issues with it.
[12:55] <Vuurdraak> ah okay nvm :')
[12:57] <Vuurdraak> go to go, see u laters all o/ have a nice day
[12:57] <Intelo> Can anyone paste my last message?
[12:59] <robertparkerx> My UI freezes after some minutes of boot. I use kbuntu 19.x. It was happening when I didnt upgraded as was using 16.x LTS. a) How can I check my harddisk health? b) How can I check fsck. Recovery mode says its mounted, so cannot check. How to check without bootable cd?
[12:59] <robertparkerx> Intelo
[12:59] <Intelo> robertparkerx thanks
[13:00] <Intelo> any solution guys?
[13:00] <doug16k> Intelo, how about a bootable usb flash drive then?
[13:01] <tomreyn> !smart | Intelo
[13:01] <Intelo> doug16k don't have that now
[13:01] <Intelo> doug16k but if recovery mode has the option to fsck, it should
[13:01] <tomreyn> don't enable networking in the recovery menu before you did the fsck
[13:03] <tomreyn> you need ext4 file systems to be either unmounted or mounted only in read-only mode to be able to fsck them. enabling networking from the recovery menu will, however, mount the root ("/") file system in read-writable mode
[13:30] <correct> is  it good practice to do apt update and apt upgrade on start
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | correct when its needed
[13:31] <correct> will this break any dependencies?
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> correct: wich dependencies are you talking about
[13:31] <correct> I have some gui tools that are running
[13:32] <bitlan> hello, i have gre tunnel between ubuntu and mikroitk, I'm using netplan to configure. After reboot tunnel is not connect automatically ("ip a"  displays gre1 and configuration ) - i must use ifconfig gre1 down... ifconfig gre1 up
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> correct: 'some' gui tools?
[13:33] <bitlan> why is not comming up automated?
[13:33] <EdFletcherT137> correct: what do you think? do OS maintainers tend to push updates that break everyone's current setups?
[13:35] <correct> EdFletcherT137: the question was.. is it a good practice to run that everytime the system boots
[13:37] <EdFletcherT137> correct: "when its needed" != "on boot"
[13:37] <EdFletcherT137> correct: so... no
[13:39] <tomreyn> generally, keeping your system updates either by update-manager, unattended-upgrades or manually is very much recommended, though.
[13:40] <correct> tomreyn: thanks.. noted
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> correct: we still dont know what you meant with 'some' gui tools and dependencies, did you add external ppa's to your system?
[14:21] <cgi> has anyone ever used a Apple Magic Mouse 2  on ubuntu? Is it worth getting for long term?
[14:33] <coconut> cgi: i think(not sure if it's the 2nd version of magic mouse) have used it on elementary live usb once on a macbook pro, and destroyed sensitivity setting of the mouse. I had no idea what to do with it...
[14:54] <tonyt> Happy Thanksgiving everyone
[15:00] <uRock> If I changed my user from requiring a PW to login to Autologin, which log file would that show in? dmesg?
[15:01] <jeremy31> uRock: It might not get logged
[15:02] <uRock> K, thanks jeremy31
[15:02] <cgi> coconut, thanks
[15:02] <coconut> cgi: it isn't much i can say but yw.
[15:03] <jeremy31> uRock: even using the user/groups to change that just changes a file in /etc/lightdm or whatever
[15:03] <uRock> k, I was hoping that since it required authentication that it would be logged.
[15:07] <coconut> Anyone here knows whether the fingerprint reader and multitouch of screen of the thinkpad x1 extreme gen2 will effectively be ignore or supported under ubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-mate ?
[15:08] <uRock> jeremy31, I've just found it listed in auth.log. "gpasswd[5393]: user ****** added by root to group nopasswdlogin"
[15:08] <altendky> coconut: i'm on a p1 gen 2 that's supposedly quite similar.  if you have any tests you'd like me to do i'll give them a try.  presently in kubuntu with a mainstream 5.3.13 kernel to get resume without a black screen.  working on other issues
[15:09] <coz_> Happy Thanksgiving
[15:09] <amCap1712> Hi all, I want to know to setup systemwide socks proxy with username and password on ubuntu 18.04
[15:11] <V7> wat?
[15:11] <V7> YOu mean Budgie is better than KDE Neon?
[15:11] <V7> You might be mistaken ...
[15:23] <coz_> V7, I tried Kde neon, not bad however I am attached to Mate DE
[15:49] <coconut> altendky: i wouldn't know what test to ask for... but do you see these two going wrong anywhere? (like cpu load or something from one of the logs like dmesg). I assume you know better than me here.
[15:51] <altendky> coconut: I'll check in a few minutes for a multi touch demo program for that.  And I guess the fingerprint reader though I think I may have seen something saying that doesn't work.
[15:53] <coconut> oh that would be splendid, thank you
[16:17] <amCap1712> can anybody help?
[16:20] <genii> amCap1712: Maybe check out https://www.binarytides.com/setup-dante-socks5-server-on-ubuntu/
[16:21] <altendky> coconut: hmm, so my first try with pinch zoom didn't seem to work in chrome but it is now.  so multitouch here seems ok.  trying to double check the hardware in each system
[16:23] <altendky> coconut: you can get some reference at https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/models?query=gen+2&category=Desktop&category=Laptop&level=&vendors=Lenovo to compare the two systems but as noted on the individual pages, being there doesn't mean things will work for you.  just that they worked to some degree for some linux setup that the oem probably customized.
[16:25] <altendky> coconut: the touch screen reports the same on those pages for the p1 gen 2 and the x1 extreme gen 2.  are you trying to get a feel before buying an x1?
[16:28] <akk> Chrome does pinch zoom on Linux?
[16:29] <altendky> akk: it seems to.  though it seems independent from the regular zoom.
[16:29] <akk> Chromium doesn't seem to.
[16:29] <akk> At least on this CX1 gen 7.
[16:30] <akk> Do any other apps support multitouch? Now I'm curious if it works.
[16:30] <altendky> akk: what should i try?  :]
[16:30] <akk> altendky: That's what I'm asking too. :)
[16:33] <akk> I have the hid_multitouch module loaded but I haven't found anything that seems to respond to it.
[16:33] <altendky> akk: and the ubuntu wiki page is from 2012...
[16:34] <altendky> coconut: i haven't found any evidence of the fingerprint reader yet (other than the recess next to my keyboard of course :] )
[16:45] <enriooooooo1> autoremove gives reference error
[16:45] <enriooooooo1> https://pastebin.com/FRZPwSNd
[16:51] <coconut> great altendky! thank you.
[16:56] <altendky> coconut: you are researching while considering purchasing an x1...  or?
[16:59] <PeGaSuS> hello again guys. so, I've been here earlier because of the following problem: I have a VPS hosted in a dedicated server of a friend. he created the VPS with Ubuntu 18.10 and I decided to update it to Ubuntu 19.10 with the `do-release-upgrade` command. the update was successful, without any errors during the update. but, today i tried to use the command `loginctl enable-linger $USER` and I've been presented with the error: Could not enable linger:
[16:59] <PeGaSuS>  Read-only file system. any ideas how to recover the system (if possible)?
[16:59] <coconut> Yup, i have two laptops on my list for a renew on my macbook i have here. (macbook pro or this thinkpad x1 extreme).
[17:03] <altendky> coconut: so i've had a few issues with kubuntu 19.10.  when resuming the screen stays black though the rest of the system is working and the backlight on the oled display doesn't change when you adjust it.  the mainline 5.3.12 kernel or the ubuntu 4.15 oem kernel fix the resume.  the 4.15 oem fixes the backlight too.  right now i'm in the midst of compiling latest git kernel (5.4+) with the backlight patch from 4.15
[17:03] <altendky> oem to see if i can get it all going in one place.  also, i've had issues with the hdmi output not detecting monitors.  won't be able to dig on that until i get home probably (only hdmi here for the holiday is a tv that everyone will be watching...)
[17:06] <gobble_gobble> How can I install glib2 and glib2-devel on ubuntu?
[17:08] <gobble_gobble> ping
[17:09] <noudle> what should i pass as last arg to lvextend? vgdisplay tells me my VG "ubuntu-vg" has 6900 PE free, so i want to use them
[17:10] <akk> gobble_gobble: pinging after only a few minutes just annoys people. Have you tried something like aptitude search glib2 | grep dev ? I think that will give you the package name you want.
[17:10] <noudle> in /dev/mapper there is one entry but passing that gives me "No space left on device"
[17:12] <gobble_gobble> akk: nice didn't know there was search
[17:13] <noudle> what am i misunderstanding here?
[17:16] <gobble_gobble> akk: how about libzlo2-dev? i did not see that in search :\
[17:17] <akk> gobble_gobble: aptitude search zio doesn't find anything, guess whatever it is, it's not in ubuntu.
[17:18] <ioria> gobble_gobble, are you sure of the name ???
[17:18] <ioria> gobble_gobble,  maybe is liblzo2-dev
[17:18] <oerheks1> !info liblzo2-dev
[17:18] <gobble_gobble> yes typo x___x woops
[17:18] <oerheks1> so easy to find ..
[17:18] <gobble_gobble> :P
[17:18] <gobble_gobble> thankyou
[17:19] <oerheks1> install synaptic, a much more detailed softwarecenter
[17:19] <oerheks1> !info synaptic
[17:24] <PeGaSuS> so, any good ideas? or should we just reinstall Ubuntu?
[17:25] <amCap1712> genii: any way to do that without installing anything extra?
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> altendky: any progress on your bug?
[17:27] <Tylerthree> I'm trying to print to a networked printer. When I go to the printers IP address in my web browser it will let me print a test page, but it won't print anything from LibreOffice, even though the printer name appears there. It used to work about a week ago.. Any ideas?
[17:40] <altendky> lotuspsychje: i forget where you last saw.  but, 4.15 oem fixes resume and backlight control but doesn't have wifi (i haven't got the iwlwifi backport working).  5.3.12 fixed the backlight.  not sure about hdmi, don't have access to anything here to test with.  right now trying to add the backlight patch from 4.15 oem into, well, latest git kernel (5.4+).
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> altendky: i recall solving my wifi with the oem sp1 kernel on this laptop here, maybe you can also test
[17:43] <rfm> Tylerthree, last time I had trouble printing (from the command line with enscript, not libreoffice) I went to the printer settings dialog, deleted and re-added the printer.  It helped, though I think my problem was the printer changed IP addresses when I got a new router...
[17:44] <jeremy31> altendky: It might be better to use kernel backports rather than iwlwifi https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/backports/stable/v5.4-rc8/
[17:47] <altendky> jeremy31: would that be the backport-iwlwifi-dkms?
[17:47] <altendky> though i'm presently thinking that moving forward will be my solution probably
[17:47] <jeremy31> altendky: I think that uses the iwlwifi backports that only support Intel wifi devices, you can support almost all wifi using the kernel backports
[17:49] <Tylerthree> rfm, yes that seemed to work! thank you
[17:51] <altendky> lotuspsychje: i tried the oem sp1...  something didn't work.  i already forgot but could check again.  i've got the four things that i need to get working together.  resume, backlight, hdmi, and wifi.
[18:14] <speeder> hello
[18:15] <speeder> how I calculate the xrandr paremeters for a monitor when I have the manufacturer frequencies?
[18:15] <speeder> cvt and gtf both give wrong results
[18:15] <speeder> making the screen act really wonky
[18:32] <coconut> The thinkpad x1 extreme gen2 has an "hybrid" option in it's bios(i still like this abbreviation) for the videocard to only get enabled when games are started. Does ubuntu support this at the moment?
[18:35] <coconut> And is there a tool to create a multi boot live usb?
[18:47] <cittadinodelmond> Hello
[18:47] <corvu> Hi
[18:48] <cittadinodelmond> I hope this is the right place to ask for help. From yesterday evening I noticed I get segmentation fault when running 'apachectl configtest'
[18:48] <cittadinodelmond> just before I did apt upgrade
[18:49] <cittadinodelmond> # apache2ctl configtest
[18:49] <cittadinodelmond> Syntax OK
[18:49] <cittadinodelmond> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:49] <cittadinodelmond> Action 'configtest' failed.
[18:49] <cittadinodelmond> The Apache error log may have more information.
[18:49] <cittadinodelmond> Don’t get nothing more in apache error logs, but in syslog (and also in journalctl -xe) I have:
[18:49] <cittadinodelmond> /var/log/syslog:
[18:51] <corvu> Hi
[18:51] <tomreyn> PeGaSuS: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/12401
[18:52] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: has your disk run full?
[18:53] <cittadinodelmond> let me check. BRB
[18:54] <cittadinodelmond>  tomreyn No. Still planty of space.
[18:54] <tomreyn> !paste | cittadinodelmond: please re-post what you previously pasted here, but
[18:55] <tomreyn> also discuss which ubuntu version you are using
[18:56] <cittadinodelmond> I posted again previoius rejected msg using paste.ubuntu.com
[18:57] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: and you ended up on which URL then?
[18:57] <cittadinodelmond> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qQRGHkjJN4/
[18:58] <altendky> coconut: there is definitely tooling around handling the hybrid graphics.  i can't say i've gotten around to figuring it out.  i had it on my last laptop (w550s) too but as i use it for coding for work...  it wasn't particularly a need for me.
[18:58] <cittadinodelmond> could it be related to libnss3 ?
[18:59] <ioria> cittadinodelmond, let's try a quick test: sudo a2dismod php7.0  && sudo service apache2 restart
[19:00] <cittadinodelmond> altendky: ok
[19:00] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: i guess you could just reinstall those packages which were installed during when it worked and stopped working. but this should not normally be needed.
[19:00] <cittadinodelmond> I already tried apt install -reinstall ...
[19:00] <cittadinodelmond> I went back several days..
[19:02] <ioria> cittadinodelmond, sudo a2dismod php7.0  && sudo service apache2 restart
[19:03] <cittadinodelmond> ioria disable php didn't help.. same error
[19:05] <cittadinodelmond> any more hints?
[19:05] <tomreyn> you could get us some more info on your system
[19:06] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[19:06] <tomreyn> sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[19:14] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn did it
[19:14] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: what did it output?
[19:14] <cittadinodelmond> https://termbin.com/d5dj
[19:14] <cittadinodelmond> now second command
[19:15] <altendky> coconut: (akk) were you asking about multitouch on the screen or touchpad?
[19:15] <altendky> i responded about the touchscreen
[19:15] <coconut> altendky: screen
[19:17] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: does copy + paste not work for you?
[19:18] <cittadinodelmond> I think it works..
[19:18] <cittadinodelmond> I'll check again
[19:20] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn I don't have a desktop.. only a ssh term.. here's again https://termbin.com/eztn
[19:20] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: thanks. the output of the first command did arrive fine the first time you posted. but the second did not.
 sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[19:21] <tomreyn> ssh is fine for copy + paste in both directions normally. i hope you don't have to type all of this.
[19:22] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn https://termbin.com/dpfu
[19:25] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: ok, this looks fine to me. now: sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id
[19:26] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: you can send this ID in private if you prefer others not learning about what crashed on this system.
[19:27] <cittadinodelmond> No suck file or directory..
[19:27] <cittadinodelmond> such
[19:27] <cittadinodelmond> sorry
[19:29] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn # cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id
[19:29] <cittadinodelmond> cat: /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id: No such file or directory
[19:29] <tomreyn> hmm, so let's try this instead:   dpkg -l apache* libapache* php* libphp* | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:31] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn installing woopsie
[19:32] <akk> altendky: Oh, earlier I was asking about the trackpad. I never did find anything that seemed to do multitouch with the trackpad.
[19:32] <oerheks> why installing whoopsie, as it is standard ??
[19:32] <akk> My X1 isn't extreme and doesn't have a touchscreen.
[19:34] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn sent private message
[19:35] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: i'm also surprised that whoopsie wasn't already installed, you may have a non standard installation. thanks for passing along your whoopsie id. now you need to recreate the error, though.
[19:35] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: also the output of the dpkg commands above would still be useful
[19:36] <cittadinodelmond> https://termbin.com/mtxh
[19:36] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn https://termbin.com/mtxh
[19:37] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn I recreated the error
[19:39] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: what was the output this time?
[19:40] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: are there files in /var/crash ? if so, which?
[19:40] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn I didn't realize it would change everytime.. 09257521147b78ada29b7c129d1096ae54df4b8ee42b1f6a600443dcbe1bd8146e415f1526b2e753b504b69112c2dedd78a063d405cc07199dccfc41c8955e37
[19:41] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn _usr_sbin_apache2.0.crash
[19:41] <tomreyn> your systems' whoopsie id is actually static
[19:41] <altendky> coconut: i don't know if it applies to the x1 extreme gen 2 or not but...  https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile/P1-Gen-2-Small-dots-on-OLED-screen/td-p/4544327
[19:42] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: so the crash was recorded and it may need manual uploading: apport-bug /var/crash/_usr_sbin_apache2.0.crash
[19:44] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn Send report?
[19:45] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn 31.3 MB
[19:45] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: sure, if you don't mind sharing it with canonical
[19:45] <cittadinodelmond> uploading
[19:46] <altendky> tomreyn: iirc you said roughly 'the oem kernel patches generally don't make it into the mainline kernel'.  does that mean such changes generally couldn't be accepted or just that other people are unlikely to make it happen?  it seems like the mainline kernel ought to support backlight control on this laptop and i'm just curious what the path forward is.  i'm compiling latest (5.4+) with the hopefully relevant 4.15 oem
[19:46] <altendky> patches right now.
[19:46] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn done
[19:47] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn how do I see my bug report?
[19:47] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: okay, it's listed on your error.ubuntu.com url now (see private message)+
[19:49] <tomreyn> !mainline | altendky: no need to build yourself
[19:52] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn I will I know about the progress on this bug? That page tells me I have no right to see it
[19:52] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: hmm this isn't too helpful, i'm afraid. can you post a full bug report instead?  apport-cli --file-bug --package apache2-bin
[19:53] <altendky> tomreyn: i tested first with the provided mainline builds to identify 5.3.12 as the first version that fixed my resume black screen issue.  i'm now trying to include the fix that was added to 4.15 oem to address the backlight brightness control.  so i think i do need to compile at this point?  well, unless i were just compiling the module instead of the whole kernel.  but still compiling.
[19:53] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: please see my private message
[19:56] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: retracing of your core file has finished on the server now, which lets us check whether this is a common issue. however, you seem to be the first who experienced this very problem. which can suggest it is caused by something specific to your system (configuration).
[19:56] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn got it..
[19:57] <tomreyn> altendky: if you're adding custom patches you'll need to rebuild, yes. i'm not sure this patch which is applied to 4.15 (if i recall correctly) will apply to 5.0 cleanly.
[19:57] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn see my pm please
[19:59] <altendky> tomreyn: it doesn't.  i've been through some manual tweaks and adjustments and application and am resolving compilation errors.  i understand this may not end up working for any number of reasons.
[19:59] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: running "apport-cli --file-bug --package apache2-bin" should enable you to file a bug report on launchpad.net, where Ubuntus' bug trackers are.
[19:59] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: you will be able to add text (and thus web links) of your own during the last stage of filing the bug report
[20:03] <tomreyn> altendky: i forgot what the details of what is (not) working for your on this but not that kernel version are. you you may be better off reporting a bug if it is present on a supported default ubuntu kernel.
[20:08] <altendky> tomreyn: 1) resume results in black screen on ubuntu 5.3.0, mainline 5.3.12 fixes that.  ubuntu 4.15 oem also fixes that.  2) backlight adjustment does nothing on ubuntu 5.3.0, ubuntu 4.15 oem was patched for this and works.  i don't know of any mainline that fixes this presently (i'm booted into my build of latest from git at the moment).  3) hdmi doesn't detect connected displays on ubuntu 5.3.0.  at some point i had
[20:08] <altendky> this working but i don't recall the scenario and won't have any hdmi monitor to test with until the weekend.  right now i am working on 2).   i filed a bug for 1).  i can file for 2) as well but at this point i'll try a bit more to get a working solution for myself other than the 4.15 oem because i haven't gotten wifi working with that kernel.
[20:10] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[20:10] <aleksandrdvorkin> still havent figure that out
[20:12] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn done
[20:18] <tomreyn> altendky: okay, i'm afraid i have no better way forward. can you point to the bug you reported?
[20:20] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am trying to mount with sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.10:/home/pi/Downloads/ /mnt thats mounting the directory on Raspberrpi4 to the /mnt dir on the client but it doestn work why?
[20:21] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: bug 1854395 looks fine to me, but you may want to add more logs to it: sudo apport-collect 1854395
[20:24] <altendky> tomreyn: my comment wasn't so much asking for help as much as looking to understand if/how a fix for 2) would make it into ubuntu non-oem eventually.  1) is submitted as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1854177 and i am comfortable for now running an ubuntu-built mainline or custom built kernel to resolve it.  for 2) i haven't submitted yet but will plan to.  instead of waiting for resolution i
[20:24] <altendky> would like to have an 'immediate' fix i can use.  but sure, i might give up on that 'soon', we'll see.  i know it's been 20 years since i did much of any kernel builds and i don't know the hardware so i think i have realistic expectations that my naive porting of the patch may well just not work.  or, maybe i get lucky and just my c dev experience will be enough to make it work.
[20:30] <tomreyn> altendky: from what i remember i was told the -oem kernel patches which add on top of the -generic patches are too complex to be applied to -generic, which is one reason why there is -oem. usually, those are like non mainline ready patches which may be formally submitted to mainline (kernel.org) at some point (after further work). if the functionality is not available on current mainline this suggests this part hasn't been done, yet.
[20:31] <tomreyn> there could be out of tree modules which apply to mainline, though (but not in ubuntu)
[20:32] <tomreyn> well, usually not in ubuntu. note there is also #ubuntu-kernel
[20:35] <altendky> tomreyn: do i have these points right?  1) it's not working in ubuntu -generic so there should be a bug report against ubuntu.  2) it's not working in linux mainline git latest (whatever the proper term is to reference this) so there should be a report there.  3) if i get it working with latest git (build appears done so i'll see in a couple minutes, or after dinner) then i could learn about linux kernel code
[20:35] <altendky> submission.  4) after it maybe somehow ends up in mainline then it might at some point end up in ubuntu -generic.
[20:35] <enriooooooo> where do packages gets stored?
[20:35] <enriooooooo> the path for packages
[20:37] <oerheks> locate *.deb # could show it
[20:37] <tomreyn> altendky: all of this sounds correct to me based on what you said previously. (2) would be filed at bugzilla.kernel.org or the module specific mailing list.
[20:37] <drama> enriooooooo, apt-get clean  if you have any partially dl'd packages that wont install
[20:38] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn Thank you. :-)
[20:38] <enriooooooo> i was from hell at the moment , dependency hell, package wont update as one package depend on another
[20:39] <drama> but they are under /var/cache/apt/archives/
[20:41] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: you're welcome. you may want to verify your installed packages are complete (i suggest you "sudo apt install ubuntu-server" or at least "sudo apt install ubuntu-minimal") and in good shape. the latter can be done using debsums: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/debsums.1.html https://askubuntu.com/questions/57682/find-and-reinstall-packages-with-corrupted-files-without-breaking-anything
[20:42] <drama> enriooooooo, let me guess... your playing the 32 bit game
[20:43] <drama> bbl
[20:44] <tomreyn> cittadinodelmond: if you will, please also point out any further findings on your bug report.
[20:48] <dbugger> Hello everyone
[20:49] <dbugger> can anyone help me understand what a "PRIME Display" is? https://i.paste.pics/9a92b3c0a373d9423ee3fcd0f874177a.png
[20:50] <tomreyn> altendky: you have a typo in one of your kernel parameters, it's "acpi_osi=!", not "acpi_os=!"
[20:52] <tomreyn> i.e. "acpi_osi=!" would be correct
[20:53] <tomreyn> altendky: i suggest you also test with secure boot disabled (if that's an option)
[20:56] <cgi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Nzbp2vy4Gd/ - anyone knows why this is happening?
[20:56] <oerheks> "Prime DIsplays cannot be controlled by nvidia-settings.."  i think that monitor is connected to internal GPU, like intel?
[20:56] <jeremy31> altendky: post URL for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:09] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn I'm running now debsums -ca
[21:16] <dbugger> I just installed 19.10, and seems like my old friend "screen tearing" is back. Does anyone know what could be done to fix this? I feel quite lost inside "nvidia-settings", and I do not understand most of what it is shown...
[21:16] <dbugger> These are the 2 configuration tabs that I think are most meaningful:
[21:16] <dbugger> https://i.stack.imgur.com/whZpj.png
[21:16] <dbugger> https://i.stack.imgur.com/62t9k.png
[21:29] <altendky> jeremy31: https://termbin.com/7amy  the wifi is working everywhere except 4.15 oem (and maybe 5.0 oem sp1, i forget which thing didn't work there)
[21:30] <altendky> tomreyn: i disabled secure boot when i started testing ubuntu mainline builds
[21:30] <altendky> tomreyn: thanks for catching that error. at this point i'm running without extra kernel parameters.
[21:31] <jeremy31> altendky: That wifi not supported in any kernel less than 5.3 now
[21:32] <jeremy31> It should work with the backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[21:32] <Apachez> any of you who happens to use a logitech G403 hero mouse with ubuntu?
[21:32] <altendky> jeremy31: i thought it was 5.2+ and i was trying some backports such as the backport-uwlwifi-dkms package which built and at least at one point i think showed as loaded but never actually worked.  but in general i think i'd rather be moving forwards if possible than backwards.  rebooting now to test my new patched 5.4+ kernel
[21:33] <jeremy31> altendky: was Secure Boot disabled?
[21:35] <oerheks> 18.04 + hwe-NEXT .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1828133
[21:36] <altendky> jeremy31: i believe that was after i disabled that, yes.  but (tomreyn) my git latest 5.4+ built kernel with the backlight patches from 4.15 oem is running and works for my issues 1) black screen on resume and 2) backlight not changing.  so i'll tidy up my patches, work through bug reports, maybe port the patch to ubuntu -generic for at least one other person that i know wants this, etc.
[21:44] <jeremy31> altendky: I would like to hear more about this, please join #ubuntu-discuss
[21:50] <cittadinodelmond> tomreyn debsums -ca reported only changed configuration files..
[21:55] <cittadinodelmond> bye
[21:58] <KingBoomer> why don't games run better on linux?
[21:58] <KingBoomer> shouldn't linux have way less bloat than windows?
[22:00] <oerheks> hi KingBoomer this is ubuntu support, not the flamewar channel
[22:01] <KingBoomer> oerheks: it was a genuine question, but i'll ask it somewhere else
[22:04] <FastCode> There is a flamewar channel? please point me to it. Thanks
[22:06] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t cifs -o username=pi,password=pi //192.168.1.10/home/pi/Downloads /mnt/Downloads is this comand correct
[22:15] <de-facto> Does someone know how to disable _all_ caching in Chromium? Its utterly annoying when doing webdev...
[22:16] <de-facto> "Disable cache (while DevTools is open)" does not do what it says
[22:17] <de-facto> i dont want to open source view everytime to tell stupid Chromium that something might have changed. Rather i want to disable all caching since i dont need that anyhow
[22:18] <oerheks> maybe you need to restart chromium after that, to take effect?
[22:19] <de-facto> it was already checked from before start
[22:25] <oerheks> some do it the hard way, edit /etc/chromium-browser/profile > CHROMIUM_FLAGS=""CHROMIUM_FLAGS="--disk-cache-dir=/dev/null --disk-cache-size=1"
[22:43] <de-facto> yeah i wish things like that would work, but Chromium caches no matter what
[22:47] <dostoyevsky> chromium did forget my sessions at each restart though...  even though I didn't wanted it
[22:48] <de-facto> i wish i could disable _all_ caching globally since it seems to be broken
[22:49] <dostoyevsky> I wonder how hard it is to roll your own version of chromium...
[22:50] <dostoyevsky> Especially disabling caching shouldn't be that hard in the source code
[22:51] <de-facto> well I guess not too hard but it would take long time for compiling
[22:52] <dostoyevsky> ninja will use all available resources on your computer to make it as fast as possible, while making your current computer unusable
[22:52] <dbugger> Question: Does Ubuntu 19.10 has a tool like Time Machine in macOs?
[22:54] <dostoyevsky> dbugger: you can use rsync... timemachine on macos doesn't really work well with some applications, depending how how they use the filesystem.  I use rsync now instead of timemachine on macos too
[22:54] <ryuo> de-facto: there's another method, if the resources are on a proper server.
[22:54] <dbugger> dostoyevsky, does it have a GUI? or do I have to use it from the terminal?
[22:54] <ryuo> de-facto: get the server to lie, tell the browser not to cache.
[22:55] <dostoyevsky> dbugger: command-line gui ;-)
[22:55] <dbugger> dostoyevsky, which one of those?
[22:55] <dbugger> both?
[22:58] <de-facto> ryuo, yeah i guess that would work, yet I just want to have Chromium itself to be less broken/value its settings correctly. Caching is something such simple that it should be possible to disable that locally (well its not the first time Chromium got horrible bugs)
[22:59] <dbugger> dostoyevsky ?
[23:04] <de-facto> i mean opening source view and clicking refresh like a berserk does not seem a good ui design
[23:04] <de-facto> i wish i could just drop chromium support, yet its too wide spread
[23:05] <de-facto> sometimes it works, most of the time not, i guess it depends on open tcp connections or such
[23:10] <akk> de-facto: How about opening a new incognito window each time? I would hope that wouldn't cache ...?
[23:10] <de-facto> i am only on incognito with chromium (maybe thats the problem?)
[23:11] <de-facto> all i want is that Chromium loads the page from the server on each reload button press or F5 or Shift+F5
[23:12] <akk> There's always  rm -rf .cache/chromium .cache/google-chrome
[23:12] <akk> (I put that in my .zlogin anyway because I don't want to save state in chromium, it's only there for testing purposes)
[23:12] <de-facto> i dont think its on disk
[23:12] <akk> Well, of course you'd have to exit/restart the app.
[23:14] <de-facto> yeah i did something similar on a kiosk mode, just copy profile and cache directory over from another folder each time before starting Chromium
[23:41] <FastCode> actually, it's fairly trivial to compile your own webkit based app
[23:42] <FastCode> @de-facto libwebkit2gtk4, has a ~10 liner sample that does it
[23:43] <FastCode> And cache access is 100% override-able in it. since webkit has no caching of its own and relies on whatever uses it to provide content.
[23:58] <genii> de-facto: I just tested starting chromium-browser with --disk-cache-size=0 and that seems to work
[23:59] <de-facto> oh i always set it at 1 (long time ago, afaik it was ignored on 0 or such)