[00:06] hi folks, I have noticed that several files are left on a storage hardisk i use, separate from the boot one, when remove files from trash. This folder is .Trash-1000 [00:06] at the moment i see it has 6.6Gb of files [00:07] i manually deleted it yesterday but I was wondering what its purpose is if any [00:08] ok i see something described here [00:08] https://askubuntu.com/questions/102099/where-is-the-trash-folder [00:08] but wonder why the files are still there [00:19] gebbione: some tool somewhere created that directory and *moves* files there, so that users can then "undelete" files later [00:20] i would have expected the folder to be empty after rubbish is emptied [00:20] gebbione: the filesystems don't provide any undelete functionality themselves, so if you see an "undelete" menu option somewhere, it's being provided by a tool like this, that moves "deleted" files into a trash directory, and will either throw it away in a year or six months or when space is low or on tuesdays or something [00:21] I'm having a problem after upgrading from 19.04 to 19.10: under the Gnome Classic shell, I can no longer open the activities menu using the hot corner, and if I use the super key it just shows my windows (no global search). Any ideas on how to fix this? I've already tried removing my .config directory along with many of the Gnome-related config directories, but no dice. The Activites menu does work as expected under [00:21] standard Gnome shell. [00:22] gebbione: that's the trash bin, if you delete files via the file manager without pressing shift+delete, (just delete) it goes there, you can later empty it [00:22] EriC^, that is expected ... but if I go to the trash and then empty it I would expect for these files to be gone there and then [00:23] gebbione: not sure what you mean, you're emptying the trash bin, and finding them in a -Trash dir later? [00:23] yes [00:23] gebbione: i suspect the dir you're talking about is on a different filesystem, like an ext hdd or other partition? [00:24] it is [00:24] gebbione: i think it just manages the main user's trash e.g /home/youruser/....-Trash [00:24] the ones you delete that are on an ext hdd or so end up in /exthdd/.Trash- [00:25] so you'd need to manually delete them i guess from there [00:26] not 100% clean i guess but whatever :) === Rikaikun_ is now known as Rikaikun [01:00] good day all , is someone interested in helping a noob mount a hard drive ? [01:00] good day all , is someone interested in helping a noob mount a hard drive ? [01:01] good day all , is someone interested in helping a noob mount a hard drive ? [01:01] hi [01:01] helpthisn000b; stop repeating youself [01:01] helpthisn000b: How dou you want to mount it - and what is the target's file system ? [01:02] I want to mount an external RAiD enclosure via Thunderbolt 3 to a Ubuntu Server [01:02] The file system is HFS+ [01:03] xD [01:03] The drive is connected to the port and is is visible in the system but does not exist in /dev/sd* [01:04] I have read every possible post on every website that has anything to do with this ! [01:04] !info hfsprogs | helpthisn000b [01:04] helpthisn000b: hfsprogs (source: hfsprogs): mkfs and fsck for HFS and HFS+ file systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 332.25-11build1 (eoan), package size 119 kB, installed size 302 kB [01:07] I have hfsprogs [01:07] I have boltctl i have tbtctl [01:08] The Thunderbolt 3 port is basically a PCIe port [01:08] helpthisn000b: Yukkie - well, does ' sudo parted -l ' show the drive ? [01:09] no [01:10] fwupdmgr get-devices --show-all-devices [01:10] To Be Filled By O.E.M. [01:10] • Device stages updates [01:10] helpthisn000b: Sorry, I do not know further - await here for one with the Thunderbird experience to advise. [01:10] f29aaa96-dfb8-5e24-be95-29a809cc00d5 [01:10] :) [01:10] I will [01:11] asre there any messages in dmesg? [01:11] does the device show up in lspci output? [01:11] are the drives within exposed as eg /dev/sd* devices because it just looks like a sata or sas controller? [01:13] 1@1:~$ boltctl [01:13] connected: Wed 27 Nov 2019 11:10:00 PM UTC [01:13] "dmesg | grep -i thunderbolt" maybe? [01:14] 1s@1s:~$ lspci [01:15] Corporation Cannon Lake PCH Thermal Controller (rev 10) [01:15] Intel Corporation Cannon Lake PCH HECI Controller (rev 10) [01:15] cAVS (rev 10) [01:15] [Alpine Ridge LP 2016] (rev 01) [01:15] Error: Launchpad bug 2016 could not be found [01:15] 2016] (rev 01) [01:17] it's best to stick with pastebin sites like paste.ubuntu.com when there's more than two lines -- the pastebinit program can help here [01:19] Yep I got it sorry ! [01:20] I'm just going to leave this in here and hope for someone with any ideas . I'm lost and spend about 30h working on this and have no other options . Thank you [01:22] helpthisn000b: you'll probably have to share more about what's going on -- lspci output, full dmesg output, what happens when you try the usual hfs+ mounting tools, etc etc [01:23] I can't really get to use any kind of mount command because I don't know how to address the external drive , it is not in /dev anywhere [01:27] Here is the full dmesg and lspci https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hgFQ7Ccqmd/ [01:30] boltctl list [01:30] tbtadm topology [01:31] from https://forum.manjaro.org/t/cant-see-thunderbolt-3-disks/103811/9 [01:31] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DBvzfsZHSk/ [01:31] I read that yes [01:31] Hey guys! [01:33] oerheks I'm the last comment on that article https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DBvzfsZHSk/ this is the boltctl list and tbtamd topology [01:33] cd /dev/disk/by-uuid # and then use uuid: 00492818-3724-1c00-ffff-ffffffffffff [01:34] or is that the controller uuid? [01:35] I'll try [01:38] I wonder why the drobo 8d pages talk about mac compat but nothing else.. weird [01:38] Don't have it in /dev/disk/by-uuids/ [01:40] It is "MacOS only" as every onether drobo with no linux support , but it is just an external HDD , tbnw the Drobo is installed with disks in and set up on a Mac machine so it is working . [01:40] i read the kernel pages, this is a hack to accept any thunderbold device.. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.13/admin-guide/thunderbolt.html [01:42] Yes i did that too , boltctl is a tool that lets you authenticate a TB3 devices , also my bios is set to no security on the thunderbolt [01:42] boltctl or thunderbolt-tools ought to be able to manage the authorized flag for you, no need to hand-authorize devices [01:44] oke, no Bios Thunderboldt Assist mode [01:47] $ sudo tree -RaF /sys/bus/thunderbolt/. [01:48] with or without period? [01:49] i read with, https://github.com/dell/thunderbolt-nvm-linux/issues/17 [01:49] also a part to update firmware, but not sure that comes in handy [01:51] same for me nothing under devices or drivers [01:52] the port is recognized, lspci -tv # would show this too [01:53] you have bolt installed.. [01:53] !bolt [01:53] !info bolt [01:53] bolt (source: bolt): system daemon to manage thunderbolt 3 devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8-4 (eoan), package size 129 kB, installed size 484 kB [01:58] sudo rebootrebooting [01:59] some programs, like man and perl, are complaining that my LC_* environment vars are out of whack. what's the easiest way to set them? I prefer a US English locale with the exception of LC_TIME=C [02:02] jerichowasahoax`: your installer should have done that for you. Did you install Ubuntu using some unusual method? [02:03] jerichowasahoax`: /etc/default/locale, update-locale(8) and locale-gen(8) are relevant [02:03] rbasak: yes, debootstrap probably qualifies as "unusual" [02:03] debootsrap only does half the job :) [02:04] i know, but i'm coming back from gentoo and still like doing some of the heavy lifting myself [02:04] thanks for coming, your experience is greatly appreciated [02:11] sorry im back [02:12] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y7Zxh6rSvG/ === helpthisn000b18 is now known as helpthisn000b [02:19] i have no clue why the raid does not show, in any way [02:19] thank you for the time , i'm gonna keep digging [02:19] same [02:19] good luck helpthisn000b [02:20] I'm gonna install Hack OS Mojave on a separate HDD and see what happens , just to eliminate HW side === zbenjamin is now known as Guest30332 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === sebbu2 is now known as sebbu [03:07] hi [03:07] does anyone here owns raspberrypi4 [03:08] maybe; why do you ask? [03:09] sorry [03:09] i am trying to make a share on RPI4 running NOOBS [03:09] but when i click on the folder name i dont see an option Make a folder shared [03:09] and i have samba running [03:10] and a second i am trying to mount the Downloads folder on RPI4 with [03:11] sudo mount -t cifs /192.168.1.10/Downloads /mnt [03:11] and i get an error [03:11] sorry [03:12] sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.10/Downloads/ /mnt [03:13] so basically two questions [03:14] I think the /mnt would need to be something like /mnt/Downloads [03:15] I will not be much help... you need to tell the guys here what the error message is. [03:15] i dont have nothing in mnt on my laptop there is no folder called Downloads in /mnt [03:15] and you would have to create a folder called Downloads, or whatever in /mnt [03:16] you'd just sudo mkdir /mnt/Downloads or whatever [03:19] but do i need to do it in order to mount the Downloads dir on RPI4 to my laptop /mnt dir [03:20] I am not sure... but I think you would need a double // at the beginning ... something like //192.168.1.10... blah blah [03:22] smb/cifs stuff is pretty complicated; you'll want to keep an eye on the logs on both the server and the client when you try to do every single operation [03:22] you may also way to try troubleshooting with smbclient or if there's a similar cifsclient command, that [03:23] 192.168.1.10:/home/$USER/Downloads/ /mnt or something [03:23] iirc there's something like four or five different authentication mechanisms in the smb protocol, two or three vastly incompatible protocol versions, etc etc [03:25] What tool can I use to log the resource usage of a particular process over time? [03:26] sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.10:/home/pi/Downloads/ /mnt [03:26] mount: /mnt bad option ; for several filesystems (e.g nfs,cifs) you might need a /sbin/mount helper program [03:26] k_sze: there's dozens of tools for that, from while true ; do sleep 1 ; ps auxw | grep foo ; done >> resource_logs [03:27] ok [03:27] k_sze: .. through tools like collectd or pcp or https://github.com/Netflix/vector [03:31] sudo mount -t cifs -o username=pi,password=password //192.168.1.10:/home/pi/Downloads/ /mnt [03:32] aleksandrdvorkin: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Mounting_samba_shares_from_a_unix_client [03:41] why does it keep saying the special device /home/pi/Downloads doesnt exist [03:41] if i have it on RPI [03:43] maybe you need to specify a port too [03:43] i dont know [03:46] Just me or `man proc` doesn't actually explain the values in /proc//statm? [03:46] nvm [03:50] aleksandrdvorkin: //192.168.1.10:/home/pi/Downloads/ <== I somehow doubt the colon must be there. [03:51] otherwise you need to insert a port number after the colon I would imagine. [03:51] ah my mistake [03:56] Are GNOME extensions supposed to be system-wide or per-user? [03:58] k_sze: they can be either [03:58] k_sze: https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/extensions.html.en [04:02] gry, by default, they are per-user, right? [04:02] it seems so, but i would check by hand if possible [04:03] I don't have any of the files mentioned in this page, so I guess my extensions are still per-user: https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/extensions-enable.html.en [04:04] perhaps you can find them in your home directory, then [04:06] So apparently the instance of `gnome-shell` run as the `gdm` user is *not* supposed to keep running after I have logged into a desktop session? === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [04:24] k_sze: not unless you click the 'switch user' button, i think [04:25] Apparently it's a known issue on certain systems where the gdm-user gnome-shell won't quit? [04:25] And that keeps eating up more RAM over the course of the day? [04:26] perhaps #gnome has a bit more ideas about this [06:52] im trying ubuntu now from dvd and im trying to connect to wifi but its telling me that no wifi adapters found? [06:52] is this normal because it is trial or should it still be working? [06:53] makaveli: Propably the cryptsetup binary is missing from the initrd image. Maybe because something missing in /etc/crypttab. You can force its inclusion by running `CRYPTSETUP=YES update-initramfs -u` manually. [06:56] i tried running sudo update initramfs -u and it said its disabled since running on read only media [06:56] should i have booted off my usb instead? [06:56] also im noticing that the backlit keyboard is no longer working [06:57] AugustusCaesar24: A lot depends on the WIFI chip set - If the driver is proprietary will not be on the DVD. [06:57] AugustusCaesar24: whether it works at all depends heavily on the hardware. [06:57] how would i know if itll work or not? [06:58] how would you know [06:58] AugustusCaesar24: as for backlight keyboards, it's also very model specific. [06:58] AugustusCaesar24: i would need more information about the hardware. [06:58] toshiba model satellite l55-c5272 [06:58] AugustusCaesar24: my Latitude E5530 has a backlight keyboard that is totally functional but it also shipped with ubuntu in some markets so that's no surprise. [06:59] huh. this is going to be an ancientone. [06:59] my friend gave me a laptop that was running windows 10 and i wanted to put ubuntu on it for the first time and mess with ubuntu [07:00] AugustusCaesar24: first thing i would do is make sure the BIOS is already at its final verion. [07:00] version [07:00] second, we need to know about your wifi hardware to even begin to answer your wifi questions. [07:01] AugustusCaesar24: You could run the DVD without installing [07:01] thats what im doing currently [07:01] wifi is usually connected through usb or pci. [07:01] its booting off the dvd without installing [07:01] thought some obscure devices use sdio [07:02] anyway [07:02] AugustusCaesar24: try running this first: lspci | pastebinit [07:02] it's probably PCI. [07:03] give us the resulting url [07:03] it's a terminal command. [07:03] i got a huge output which part would you like? [07:04] err [07:04] you should have gotten a url if you used pastebinit with that command [07:04] oh i missed that [07:05] hm. i'm guessing it'll be an intel device. [07:06] it says i dont have pastebinit and i have to install that [07:06] it is intel [07:06] oh. go figure. [07:06] ok... [07:06] can you give us the line that says [07:06] Network controller? [07:06] broadcom inc and subsidiaries [07:06] the whole thing [07:07] BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) [07:07] 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [07:07] is mine [07:08] ours is pretty close then [07:08] BCM43142.. an obscure one. let me see. [07:08] i think [07:08] broadcom-sta-dkms is the driver for it. [07:08] not installed by default. [07:09] so it should work after install. [07:09] as for the keyboard [07:09] gotcha [07:09] that depends on laptop specific drivers. [07:09] so [07:09] how would you know what driver it needs? [07:10] what i suggest is updating the BIOS if it's not at the last one Toshiba released. [07:10] also after the install would i do sudo apt-get install to get all the drivers? [07:10] hmmm ill look into seeing how i can update the bios [07:10] AugustusCaesar24: for wifi, sure. [07:10] AugustusCaesar24: well, you could try a dmidecode as root first to see if it's even necessary. [07:10] gotcha [07:11] the section that says BIOS Information should have a Version field [07:11] what doe dmidecode do? [07:11] it dumps system information (DMI) [07:12] https://linux.die.net/man/8/dmidecode [07:12] i ran demidecode and i got a huge result [07:12] indeed. [07:12] linux is so cool [07:13] i can open many pages and it wont destroy the performance [07:13] on windows after 3 open windows it would crash [07:13] Here's what my section looks like. [07:13] is there something i should be looking for backlit keyboard? [07:14] er 3 open windows i [07:14] no [07:14] http://dpaste.com/0AF7KGA [07:14] this is just to check for BIOS version. [07:15] AugustusCaesar24: wait, crash? [07:15] AugustusCaesar24: it freezes? [07:16] this also gives you the relevant model / BIOS info on a single line: journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:' [07:16] bios is vebdir ubsyde ciro version 5.2 release daet 1/11/2016 [07:16] do we need more [07:16] yeah it slows down [07:16] 5.2 [07:17] i meant slow down but i said crash [07:17] well, well. it's already at the last bios. [07:17] that's a shocker. many people don't keep their systems current. [07:18] ok then... [07:18] AugustusCaesar24: what ubuntu release is it? [07:18] 18.04 [07:19] ok.. [07:19] when i hit fn + z it recognizes that there should be backlit keyboard because i get the icon on screen the backlit doesnt happen [07:19] let me see what i can find out. i've never used toshiba. [07:19] me neither [07:19] itll be a first for both of us [07:19] i typically enjoy hp [07:20] HP... is garbage if you're using their consumer products. [07:20] but either way.. [07:20] let's see what i can find... though it'd help if [07:20] i knew what modules were loaded. [07:21] is there a way we can find that out? [07:21] yes. lsmod, but you don't have pastebinit installed. [07:21] i thought the ISOs came with it. [07:21] yep i got huge amount of stuff [07:21] what are we looking for [07:22] probably a module named toshiba or so [07:22] i see sparse_keymap named toshiba_acpi [07:23] lsmod | nc termbin.com 9999 [07:23] ok... seems the toshiba_acpi module is responsible for the keyboard. [07:25] we are getting close [07:26] is it a driver that needs to be updated or installed or something [07:26] AugustusCaesar24: Linux doesn't have drivers as you understand them. [07:26] most come as part of the standard kernel. [07:27] the rest are provided as external kernel modules in DKMS packages [07:27] so dkms are like drivers? [07:27] these are the closest to an actual "driver" [07:27] gotcha [07:27] but it's different. [07:27] these are build from source. [07:27] built [07:27] * [07:28] AugustusCaesar24: so when you use the keyboard function key, it produces a reaction on screen but does nothing else? [07:28] yes exactly [07:28] are you sure it's not screen brightness? [07:29] no i have keys for screen brightness and those do things [07:29] ok. [07:30] AugustusCaesar24: please run this and give us the output: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 [07:30] got it! [07:30] dmesg may reveal something interesting. [07:31] termin.com port 99999 is not known [07:31] should i run it without that? [07:31] uh... [07:31] you typoed it [07:31] ? [07:31] wait... [07:32] two typos [07:32] is this machine even connected to a network? [07:32] no i tried to connect it to wifi but i couldnt so ill have to wait until i install it on hdd and then im guessing itll work [07:32] you can't use ethernet? [07:33] if i connect to ethernet i might be disconnected from here for a moment [07:33] ill try it [07:33] give me a sec [07:33] ok.. [07:41] ok im back [07:42] the url that it gave out was https://termbin.com/d9w6 [07:44] hm. secure boot is active. [07:44] this means you can't boot just any linux kernel... [07:45] AugustusCaesar24: you may have to disable secure boot if you use a different distribution. [07:45] meaning its a bios problem? [07:45] nah, it's unrelated to the keyboard. [07:45] how do you disable secure boot? [07:45] just an observation. [07:46] BIOS option. [07:46] gotcha [07:46] let's see [07:46] says keyboard-backlight should be working... [07:46] hm. [07:47] could secure bios be why backlit keyboard is not happy? [07:47] doubt it. [07:47] i was looking for the icon and heres what i see when i try to hit fn + z https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086070/keyboard-backlight-ubuntu-18-10-not-working [07:48] it looks like that icon but just a but more curved key which im guessing is just an updated icon from version 14 [07:49] your manual at https://content.us.dynabook.com/content/support/manuals/userguides/su4007657/GMAD00424012_SatSat-Pro-L40-L50-L70-S50-P50_C-Series_16Jan15.pdf also says Fn-Z [07:50] next thing to try is poking around /sys... [07:50] i once had a situation where the backlight software controls worked but the function keys didn't. [07:50] i also tried xset led 3 but that didnt work either [07:50] that's... unrelated. [07:50] that seems like a worse problem though [07:50] keyboard LEDs. it predates backlit keyboards. [07:51] not really... you're actually having a response. [07:51] it's just not triggering anything else. [07:51] though if this doesn't work [07:51] it's not a critical issue. [07:51] but nayway [07:52] let's check it out [07:52] try this [07:52] there should be a bios configuration screen (power management) which allows for enabling the keyboard backlight statically. [07:52] ls -l /sys/class/leds [07:52] also this may work: echo 2 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness [07:53] tomreyn: how'd you know the exact name? [07:53] i presumed i'd have to see what's in /sys/class/leds [07:53] i'm just guessing based on what i found online about a different toshiba model. [07:53] https://askubuntu.com/questions/780176/how-to-make-my-toshiba-u940-laptops-keyboard-backlit-to-work [07:53] ok. [07:54] AugustusCaesar24: what do you see when you look in /sys/class/leds [07:54] ls -l /sys/class/leds [07:55] if this works then... [07:55] it just echos back 2 and the keyboard is still dark and with the ls command i se a bunch of inputs [07:55] howdy [07:55] 4 lines of lrwxrwxrwx to be exact [07:55] is it normal for trackpads to stop working when the keyboard is used in 18.04? [07:55] AugustusCaesar24: the rightmost lines? [07:55] MonTaGaTnoM howdy! [07:55] there are 4 rows [07:56] MonTaGaTnoM: that's a feature; it may be configured to disable trackpad during typing. [07:56] MonTaGaTnoM: check the trackpad settings, iirc. [07:56] last one on each line says capslock then numlock scrollloc toshiba::kbd_backlight [07:56] AugustusCaesar24: curious... [07:56] I'm in mouse & touchpad [07:57] when I plug in a USB mouse, it doesn't do that [07:57] only with the built in touchpad and keyboard [07:57] could it be a bios bug? [07:57] MonTaGaTnoM: it's not in Settings, you'll need to use gnome-tweaks ("Tweaks") [07:57] in ubuntu budgie? [07:57] AugustusCaesar24: what's in /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/max_brightness ? [07:58] budgie doesn't use gnome, but QT5 [07:58] MonTaGaTnoM: i'm not familiar with budgie, maybe ask in its dedicated channel [07:58] AugustusCaesar24: i mean, run this: cat /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/max_brightness [07:59] i get 1 [07:59] after running that one [07:59] huh. [07:59] ok... so it's just a simple on/off [07:59] ok, now try this [07:59] AugustusCaesar24: i mean, run this: cat /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness [08:00] 0 [08:00] ok. now try this [08:00] echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness [08:00] when i was doing it on windows it had 3 modes, on, off, and on when typing on it [08:00] ok [08:01] when i do the echo i get 1 [08:01] and still nothing? [08:01] nada [08:01] try this again [08:01] AugustusCaesar24: i mean, run this: cat /sys/class/leds/toshiba::kbd_backlight/brightness [08:01] if it's still 0 then it didn't take [08:02] 0 [08:02] try this: dmesg | tail [08:02] anything looking like an error? [08:03] no it seems happy [08:03] AugustusCaesar24: ok... well... the only way i can see this being fixed is by a newer kernel. [08:04] let me see what's been done with this driver in kernel lately [08:04] is it just not gonna work then? [08:04] or should i try ubuntu 19 instead? [08:05] there should be a bios configuration screen (power management) which allows for enabling the keyboard backlight statically. [08:05] 19.10? can't hurt. [08:05] that and tomreyn's suggestion. [08:05] it might be something that was fixed in a newer kernel. [08:05]