[00:04] jnj: nope ..but i'm guessing you have and received an error right? [00:04] jnj: probably unlikely that you tried and was successful so you came here to pose such a question [00:05] tatertots, Yeah, but it's less to do with webdav [00:05] tatertots, And more to do with fastmail I think [00:05] https://www.fastmail.com/help/files/davnftp.html [00:06] Like, I think I enter in davs://webdav.fastmail.com/ to connect [00:06] And my username and password, but it just keeps on asking for the password over and over [00:07] So I'm thinking that the path should be something else or more than davs://webdav.fastmail.com/, but I can't tell what something here is [00:12] jnj: fastmail has provided 2x / two methods of accessing and managing your files...you are repeatedly asked to authenticat using 1of2 methods according to your testimony ...what happens when you use method 2of2? [00:12] tatertots, Are you talking about ftp? [00:13] Same thing, keeps on asking for the password over and over again [00:13] I think I need the correct path, but I have no clue what path it is [00:14] jnj: according to your testimony you are repeatedly asked to authenticate using both method(s) 1of2 AND 2of2....at this point they may be under some maintenance or outage...or you have a local problem on your PC or LAN/network [00:15] tatertots, What methods are you talking about? [00:15] jnj: to further deduce this scenario ...do you have a second computer or device to attempt from, including but not limited to a smartphone, a family members PC, xbox/PS3 [00:16] tatertots, I could try a webdav app on my phone [00:16] jnj: the link you provided https://www.fastmail.com/help/files/davnftp.html [00:16] jnj: shows 2 methods [00:16] jnj: you have the same symptoms with method 1of2 AND 2of2 as per your account [00:17] jnj: make sure when trying from the phone that you are NOT connected to your wifi [00:19] jnj: make sure you are using the "cellular" network as to not inherent any issues you might have on your LAN/network...turn wifi OFF and use 3G/4G HSPDA/LTE data [00:19] jnj: report the result you get using the phone and we'll proceed [00:20] jnj: thank you ..and have a great day [00:41] firefox won't load, i have to reboot, chrome is working fine [00:42] or firefox loads but it takes time to load up [00:42] why is this [00:42] why am i being presecuted [00:42] it should load just as quick as chrome [00:43] persecuted [00:43] is there a way to fix it? [00:43] without doing a fresh install [00:45] Maybe something about your firefox profile? Try mv ~/.mozilla ~/mozilla.sav before starting firefox, let it make a new profile, and see if that helps. [00:45] (Your old profile will be in ~/mozilla.sav so you can restore it later, or merge in just the parts you really need.) [01:21] akk that didn't help, it still loads slow as heck [01:25] On Ubuntu 19.10 when I reboot, edge scrolling is turned off. I can turn it on and it works again. Does anyone know a fix for this ? [02:04] I'm going to install ubuntu desktop on a dell inspiron. I haven't installed ubuntu on a box in over a decade. I want LTS, it'll primarily be used as a server [02:04] Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS is what I want, correct? [02:05] indeed [02:07] next, how do I install. thumb drive? /me investigates [02:07] oerheks: the primary use is for a server, the display would only be to show terminal / images or something... is desktop really worthwhile? [02:08] oerheks: like, 95% of the use case is for server on a laptop / transferring data / backing up data... I might use the screen to display a photo or something [02:08] gnome3 would be pretty heavy for just a gui, choose xubuntu or mate? [02:08] !flavors [02:08] Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours [02:08] oerheks: almost thinking ubuntu server... and then install something on the frontend afterward. Last time I used ubuntu I used fluxbox if I recall correctly (that was over 10 years ago) [02:08] oerheks: ok, I can start with ubnutu server then install that afterwards, right? [02:08] sure, fluxbox, i3-wm, .. [02:09] ok, ok, ubuntu server it is [02:09] I assume usb key is the best way to install? [02:09] * foo looks for his usb key [02:09] install server, setup ssh, generate keys and setup login [02:09] and go wild [02:09] ahh yeah. [02:09] usb key the way to go, yeah? [02:10] sure [02:10] foo: you may need the help from the "managers" in the desktop version....server edition doesn't have certain "managers" that assist noobish / rookie users...i.e network manager [02:10] oerheks: eg. I don't think I can start an installer on windows 10 and have it work, I'd need some external media [02:11] tatertots: if that's a simple apt-get post-server install, I think I can get that. I done quite a bit of linux admin, just haven't done laptop use for a while [02:11] foo: and on a laptop with wifi..you'll probably want the assistance and ease of use of "network manager" ...not to mention the other assistive tools/utilities in "desktop" edition [02:11] * sharpie does the Macarena [02:12] * foo joins sharpie [02:12] foo: also if you're going to install server..only then to install a GUI and put back a bunch of "managers" ..you would have saved time and effort just using the "desktop" edition....that's all I have to say on the matter..good luck and have a nice day [02:12] ok, ok, I'm sold, tatertots sold me. [02:12] lol :) [02:12] Hmm, unless... I wired this thing in, and scratched using it as any sort of display. [02:13] That was a nice-to-have. It'll primarily be a workhorse [02:13] * foo check hard drive size on it [02:14] 1TB, 4GB of RAM, intel core i3 CPU @ 2.10Ghz... if it's primarily a work horse, and has a screen, perhaps I just keep it at CLI [02:14] and wire it in [02:14] in which case, I stick with ubuntu server [02:14] * foo does one last check in with tatertots to see if there's hope [02:14] it's primarily for backing up data. [02:15] * foo waits for tatertots to join the Macarena [02:15] foo: go for it...just don't say nobody warned you [02:16] tatertots: so you still advocate for desktop, even if I'm not using wifi with next-to-no ... I mean, to be fair, it IS a laptop. It is not a server. If you're suggesting I might hit driver issues/compatibility issues because I didn't install desktop... then I'm all for desktop. is that partly what you're saying? [02:16] tatertots: it's a dell inspiron laptop. [02:16] If that's the case, then desktop is the answer [02:17] foo: personally if you're going to be dependent on a GUI and GUI utilities ...desktop is your friend...unless you're comfortable using parted instad of gparted for managing disk from the command line as just 1x example (technically 2x since we arlready talked about wifi and network manager) [02:18] foo: do you want more? [02:18] tatertots: hm, I do see your point. I've spent 20+ years in CLI... so I'm probably comfortable there. Perhaps the question is, how easy do I want this to be? Haha. [02:19] foo, in my opinion, if the machine can do what you need it to, it will do it. install what you want and take it for a test drive. [02:20] sharpie: I value anyone's opinion who advocates the Macarena. Thank you for chiming in. [02:20] foo: just keep the same screen name so i can enjoy a little laugh if you're flopping about like a fish out of water === zbenjamin is now known as Guest63083 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:21] foo: I would be remiss If I did not remind you that a server runs 24/7 and a laptop is not designed to take this load. [02:21] experience is the best teacher [02:21] tatertots: I will. ;) [02:22] Bashing-om: thank you. It has no other purpose, I'm willing to give this laptop a chance [02:22] sharpie: ;) [02:23] Goop: :D Have at it - server best ran off a wired connection - reduces the overhead. [02:24] Bashing-om, what is this in regards to? [02:24] typo [02:24] Oh, alright. [02:24] "g" sits next to "f" on a US 101 key keyboard [02:24] Goop: Oops sorry - bad highlighting on my part - foo ^^ . [02:25] aka fat finger [02:25] foo? [02:26] Goop: Yeah - foo is the poster I was in reference to :D [03:12] i am trying to diagnose an issue with the hdmi output on my lenovo p1 gen 2. so far the only apparent effect of connecting an hdmi display is that i get the (kde) screen layout osd shown. i haven't found anything new listed in the system settings > display and monitor > display page nor in xrandr. no log messages via journalctl or /var/log/Xorg.0.log. i'm starting to look through bug reports but my question for the [03:12] moment is: where should i be looking for 'low level' information about the hdmi port or external displays in general to try to get some starting point to debug from? [03:15] altendky: have you toggled the "keyboard shortcut" on lenovo's that controls display output?....usually a Fn/function key "combination" [03:15] altendky: i'm going to go out on a limb and guess you have NOT [03:16] tatertots: i've got FnLock 'on' and Fn+F7 brings up the same 'screen layout osd' (not sure the proper term) but i've not noticed any other effect from it [03:17] altendky: turn FnLock "OFF" and try again [03:17] i'll admit i did have this working at some point but i've been chasing several other bugs. finally got the other two (black screen on resume and lack of brightness control) fixed so i'm back to hdmi output. presently i'm going back through various kernels and reconfirming they don't work. [03:18] tatertots: no apparent difference other than reversing whether i need to press the Fn key to get the osd to pop up [03:19] altendky: on the "screen layout OSD" how many different options are visable in total? [03:20] altendky: describe each [03:21] tatertots: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/q809J1gH/image.png [03:21] tatertots: clicking on them can have the effect of setting my laptop display back to 4k (i've been running at 1920x1080) [03:22] altendky: it should just work..i don't want to get to aggressive with you and start asking for screen shots , photos and logs...so maybe just mess around with it a bit..maybe try it from LiveCD/LiveUSB [03:22] altendky: thanks for the image [03:23] tatertots: i've messed around. :] i'm working back through the kernels again. 4.15 oem didn't work. 5.0 oem sp1 doesn't. for the other two fixes i'm running a locally patched 5.4.0+ from git. well, one is in 5.3.12, the other i ported forward from 4.15 oem so i could have both in one kernel [03:23] altendky: looks as i would expect...the system is showing you the different screen configurations available when a second display is attached [03:23] bug reports filed for both of those [03:24] tatertots: agreed. shouldn't there be some command line program i can run to query what the system thinks is available? i tend to prefer working with and sharing that over looking in pages in the kde system settings [03:24] altendky: if selecting them has no effect you might try from LiveCD/LiveUSB first before filing some bug reports [03:24] well, when it's not working i prefer cli :] [03:26] tatertots: fwiw, asking for screenshots and logs comes across to me as 'interested in helping me out', not 'aggressive'. i can share my logs though as mentioned, nothing shows up in them when the display is connected. though sure, there may be a clue elsewhere in them. [03:26] altendky: you say it "used to work" so some system changes have likely impacted this functionality..that's why testing from LiveCD/LiveUSB is useful === PowerTower_121 is now known as PowerTower_120 [03:29] tatertots: i've had the laptop for a few weeks. mostly the only stuff i've done with it is attempting to debug/fix these issues. i've kept doing my daily work from my old laptop. it didn't work. i messed around a bunch. it did work for a bit but at least one of the other two issues were not fixed. so basically at some point my flailing was sufficient to get it working but i had no particular idea why. in other [03:29] efforts i have since reinstalled a few times. anyways, i'll try from a live usb. any preference which one? 18.04 for lts? 19.10? ubuntu vs. kubuntu? [03:30] altendky: your problems right now are on KDE so boot any "other" ubuntu besides KDE Livecd/LiveUSB and test from LiveCD/LiveUSB [03:32] tatertots: i've already got ubuntu 18.04.3. do all the updates and third party software etc? started downloading ubuntu 19.10 as well. [03:34] err, sorry, was thinking installation not live. anyways, booting it now [03:37] tatertots: nothing new, in fact less. no apparent response to plugging in or unplugging the hdmi or pressing Fn+F7. [03:38] altendky: ok boot back to your installed KDE thingy and lets gather some diag and you can file a bug report [03:39] altendky: leave external display attached / connected [03:39] altendky: how new is it? [03:40] acer nitro ? [03:40] ryuo: i've had the laptop maybe three weeks. it's been available a few months. [03:40] lenovo thinkpad p1 gen 2 [03:41] altendky: has anyone asked you to check what xrandr reports when you plug in HDMI? [03:41] ryuo: not in this help session. just xrandr --query? or... [03:41] ryuo: i've only been noticing my e-DP internal display [03:41] altendky: just xrandr. it should report other outputs as well. [03:42] it's possible other screens are detected but not used automatically. [03:43] altendky: back in KDE? [03:43] ryuo: you would think it would... https://termbin.com/3urg [03:43] tatertots: yes [03:43] altendky: that's all xrandr says? [03:43] altendky: sudo apt install sosreport inxi [03:43] altendky: when done just say so [03:43] ryuo: that was the output of xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999 [03:43] it's not even detected... [03:44] it's as if the port is non-existant. [03:44] i wonder if it's a BIOS bug. [03:44] if it's a laptop, the firmware might switch it off in some cases [03:44] ryuo: i think another should be detected as well for my dp i can get from a usb-c dongle. mm, i'll plug that in [03:45] a BIOS update would be advisable if they're available. [03:45] try using the special keys to switch outputs [03:45] JanC: see above for the f7 stuff. [03:45] and maybe have a look at the firmware configuration options [03:45] i did do a bios update recently, checking again. for all i know the bios update is what _broke_ this since when it worked briefly [03:46] that's another option :-/ [03:46] i was pretty much just flailing at the point where it worked [03:46] and something else was still broken [03:47] maybe a help https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_P1 [03:47] double checking for a new update, then i'll look through the bios, then maybe do a reset [03:47] does it work when you boot with HDMI plugged in at boot? [03:48] JanC: no [03:49] oerheks: maybe i should read more there. it's reported to be very similar to the x1 extreme gen 2 to the point arch just links to that page https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_P1_(Gen_2) [03:49] hmm, if the hdmi is connected to the nvidia then maybe i should try the 440 drivers... [03:49] i did have those on at one point in the past [03:50] ah, yes, if it has dual GPUs [03:50] ahhhh [03:50] you'll need double drivers... [03:50] "It mentions: "The system cannot detect some external monitors during boot because they need a few seconds to be ready.": BIOS -> Config -> Display; change "Boot Time Extension" to 1 second (or more). [03:50] https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile/New-P1-Can-t-get-HDMI-port-to-work/td-p/4309087 [03:53] JanC: it does [03:54] oerheks: set it to 10 seconds with no apparent effect (i didn't notice a 10s delay either...). trying an actual power down [03:56] yeah, looks like it's 10 before the bios screen. not during it. but no apparent change (including xrandr) [03:57] no new bios available [03:59] going for the 440 drivers (modinfo nvidia shows 435.21 right now) [04:00] https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [04:08] bah, 440.26 didn't fix it. [05:11] well that's fun, i don't have either an nvidia or otherwise unknown device in lspci anymore... https://termbin.com/u0yl aside from being confident i have an nvidia card i confirmed in windows that both the hdmi worked and that there is both an intel and nvidia card. i guess tomorrow i figure out why the nvidia is missing from lspci... it does show up in an ubuntu 19.10 live boot. might be time for another fresh [05:11] install i guess. [05:35] probably so [05:35] lol [06:16] altendky: didnt you say you had your hdmi working on one kernel version before? [06:18] lotuspsychje: at some point in the past when i was flailing about... hdmi worked. this evening i've tried to run back through as many kernel versions in as many different configurations as possible, but without luck. [06:18] hey [06:19] lotuspsychje: now that i've noticed lspci lacks any indication of the nvidia card... i'm just now booting to reinstall kubuntu and see if lspci shows the nvidia on a fresh install. i've been flailing less on this install, but still some [06:19] swift110: hiya [06:19] altendky: thats why i reccomended to keep updating your bug comments, so you can fallback where you had it working, wich kernel, driver version etc [06:21] lotuspsychje: i looked back in my slack messages to a coworker and it was working nov 12th... but sure, it would be good to have had better notes. i often start at tasks in a 'this ought to be quick so let's just try a few of these forum suggestions' way and that's what it was at that point. along with the fact i was kinda clueless as to how it all worked. i'm slightly less clueless and now trying to tackle only [06:21] that one issue now that the other two are identified down to the commits. [06:22] altendky: whats your bug ID on that hdmi issue again? [06:23] how r u altendky [06:23] lotuspsychje: no bug id on it yet. (just in case that was not a rhetorical question) if it doesn't work on a clean install then perhaps it's reasonable to report it. can't say that reporting it against whatever mess i made while exploring the other issues seems kind. [06:23] swift110: i should be asleep, but so it goes. [06:24] oh ok [06:24] altendky: oh your other bug report was about hibernate right? [06:25] lotuspsychje: black screen on resume got an ubuntu bug, brightness control got both ubuntu and kernel bugs. [06:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1854177 [06:26] Launchpad bug 1854177 in linux (Ubuntu) "Black screen after resume from suspend on Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 2" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1854413 [06:26] Launchpad bug 1854413 in linux (Ubuntu) "Backlight adjustments shows OSD but does not change anything on Samsung OLED panel" [Medium,Confirmed] [06:35] altendky: so wich kernel, graphics chipset, and nvidia driver are you on right now, that hdmi doesnt work? [06:39] lotuspsychje: do you want me to not reinstall? got distracted but i'm now at the partitioning screen. or, shall we go clean and see from there. this evening i had tried 4.15 oem, 5.0 oem sp1, 5.3.0-23-generic, mainline 5.3.13, and my 5.4 custom. maybe missed full coverage over the kernels but tried with both nvidia 435 and 440. chipset is... looking for T2000 max-q? or there's something like tu117 (or such, i [06:39] don't remember for sure) that shows up in lspci iirc. [06:39] though i am likely closing down for the night soon. i'm coming up on 2am [06:41] altendky: what we try to achieve is testing problems individually with the most vanilla layout, 19.10 default kernel and the most reccomended nvidia driver [06:41] !info linux-image-generic eoan [06:41] lotuspsychje: so i should continue reinstalling to provide a clean setup not tainted by my efforts and exploration of my other two bugs [06:41] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.3.0.23.27 (eoan), package size 2 kB, installed size 16 kB [06:42] altendky: and ubuntu-drivers autoinstall, should get you most reccomended driver [06:43] altendky: in your case, i dont think you messed up your system too much you need to reinstall? [06:43] lotuspsychje: alrighty, so clean install with updates and third party then `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`? [06:43] lotuspsychje: shouldn't the card show in lspci? [06:43] i know it has before at some point. also does in ubuntu 19.10 live. [06:45] altendky: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && nvidia-smi [06:45] i was planning on reinstalling anyways once i got through figuring these issues out so it's not like this uses more than a few minutes waiting for the installation. and it's quick ssd's etc so... [06:46] lotuspsychje: sure, just a minute to reboot [06:48] You're hiding the "really file a bug" button very well here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug [06:48] There seems to be a dependency problem with ibus-anthy when upgrading from 19.04 to 19.10 [06:48] the package ibus-gtk and ibus-gtk3 should get installed, but they don't. [06:49] DarkTrick_: we also reccomend to first come here in #ubuntu and ask your issue before filing bugs, and if you file one, use ubuntu-bug package (from terminal) [06:49] good to know [06:49] The problem ↑ seems to also affect Chinese input (as I read online) [06:50] DarkTrick_: you have external ppa's added to your system? [06:50] On my machine I only experienced it with non-functioning Japanese input [06:51] lotuspsychje, There are some stated in "Other Software" (Software & updates), but they are all disabled. [06:51] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wJPFjnPQ/ [06:51] uh... sorry [06:51] I think to also recall, that the upgrade told me "disabling third party sources" [06:52] lotuspsychje: this is on my existing install. https://termbin.com/hlmy so i'll do the `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` [06:52] lotuspsychje, I should also add, I'm working on xubuntu. I'm writing here, because `apt-cache show` showed me to file a bug on ubuntu [06:53] altendky: only shows intel graphics? [06:53] lotuspsychje: that's what i see. after lspci didn't show the nvidia i checked lshw as well [06:54] DarkTrick_: apt-cache told you to file a bug? [06:55] lotuspsychje, no, `apt-cache show ibus-anthy` says: [06:55] Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers [06:55] Original-Maintainer: Debian Input Method Team [06:55] Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug [06:55] That's the reason I came here, even though using xubuntu [06:56] altendky: sounds like you will need to look in your dmesg [06:56] lotuspsychje: just pulled journalctl for you https://termbin.com/9bds [06:56] (A) lotuspsychje, And checking the `Depends` of its output, tells me, that ibus-gtk and ibus-gtk3 are not listed. So I guess they are missing. [06:57] lotuspsychje: and here's dmesg https://termbin.com/7xr2 (i'll go looking as well, of course) [06:57] DarkTrick_: ah yes, i see that..but when you see launchpad as source, please use ubuntu-bug ibus-anthy wich will forward you to launchpad anyway, with all your system details & info [06:59] lotuspsychje: fwiw, in the ubuntu live lspci listed the nvidia as `01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1fb8 (rev a1)` [07:01] lotuspsychje: `[ 0.894460] pci 0000:01:00.0: can't claim BAR 6 [mem 0xfff80000-0xffffffff pref]: no compatible bridge window` and `[ 3.920756] pci 0000:01:00.0: Removing from iommu group 1` look mildly interesting, without me actually understanding them [07:03] altendky: bumblebeed[1964]: [ 65.223808] [ERROR]No discrete video card found, quitting [07:03] altendky: did you install something weird on there? [07:04] lotuspsychje: i didn't think i'd done anything weird enough to remove the card from the pci bus... [07:05] altendky: wich nvidia chipset is that please? [07:05] lotuspsychje: is TU117 what you are looking for? [07:07] lotuspsychje: or maybe even tu117glm https://devicehunt.com/view/type/pci/vendor/10DE/device/1FB8 [07:07] so Quadro T1000 Mobile right? [07:08] lotuspsychje: what i've heard is T2000 max-q (which afaik is 'mobile') [07:09] altendky: your lenovo surely seem to make a lot of issues in your logs.. [07:10] lotuspsychje: i wouldn't know which things are really bad vs. just noise [07:11] lotuspsychje: other than what i quoted above where i'm having an issue with a thing and there are also suspicious messages related particularly to it. but i can still only say suspicious at this point [07:11] altendky: in this stage, sounds to me like your nvidia card doesnt get active for some reason due that bumblebee method [07:12] lotuspsychje: you think bumblebee is causing it to not show up in lspci? [07:12] altendky: the reccomended way, is your system picking the best nvidia driver for your card, using nvidia-prime [07:13] altendky: i also wonder how the compare on your system would be, gnome vs kde [07:14] altendky: try to switch driver versions until you get it straight [07:14] lotuspsychje: i feel like the whiny asker-of-help here but wouldn't a fresh install either 1) make the lspci oddity go away or 2) make it debuggable in a less uncertain environment? [07:15] lotuspsychje: change driver versions for a device that doesn't show on the pci bus? am i wrong to think it should be present on the pci bus? [07:16] altendky: your nvidia worked before on this system right? [07:17] altendky: and you are the boss of your system, clean install as you wish [07:17] n lm-sensors what would in6 be? [07:17] lotuspsychje: at some point it showed up in lspci. iirc i ran linux at some point with the bios set to dedicate graphics only. i've seen nvidia as an entry in lspci -k. [07:18] lotuspsychje: yeah, i know i can just reinstall. but you seem to think that's a bad diagnostic step and i'm trying to understand why. [07:18] (A) lotuspsychje, thank you for the pointer! [07:18] welcome DarkTrick_ [07:19] altendky: exactly, im also curious why your nvidia gets blocked [07:20] lotuspsychje: ok, so even if a fresh install made the card show up in lspci you would still be interested in spending time figuring it out? fair enough. best guess i've got is i did install something that's meant to manage the two cards and is set to totally power off the card at boot. [07:21] lotuspsychje: i've got a few things installed at the moment which i could imagine being in conflict https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v5wknV8n4M/ [07:22] altendky: that was my suspect..bumblebee is an outdated method, please purge that [07:23] lotuspsychje: iirc i installed that after noting the lspci oddity. removing now [07:24] altendky: the nvidia driver alone, should handle your card, not all those other programs you installed [07:24] lotuspsychje: the other programs are for switching what card to use, yes? you say the nvidia driver now does that itself? [07:25] altendky: you dont need those, when the system installs your nvidia driver, it automatic pulls nvidia-prime wich is able to switch intel vs nvidia with nvidia-settings [07:26] so just pick a version from: ubuntu-drivers list [07:26] DarkTrick_: thank you for filing bug #1854610 [07:26] bug 1854610 in ibus-anthy (Ubuntu) "No Japanese input possible after upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1854610 === markus_e92_ is now known as markus_e92 [07:27] lotuspsychje: this is for the x1 extreme gen 2 not my p1 gen 2 but most comments list them as quite similar. arch links p1 gen 2 to this page. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Extreme_(Gen_2)#NVIDIA and says `However, this means your external display ports will not work` [07:27] lotuspsychje: i'm also going to remove my custom kernel so dkms can do a clean build for all kernels [07:27] altendky: an arch guid for ubuntu, lets not focus on that [07:28] altendky: ubuntu should be able to pick your card by default, if not we got a problem/bug right? [07:28] lotuspsychje: just an fyi given that one of my goals is to get a working hdmi output [07:29] lotuspsychje: sure [07:29] lotuspsychje, thank you for your support! [07:29] lotuspsychje: `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` -> `No drivers found for installation.` [07:30] handy [07:30] i'll reboot though in case the removals changed something that needs that [07:31] altendky: try to doublecheck your bios, uefi vs legacy and try a !nomodeset too perhaps [07:32] lotuspsychje: after reboot https://termbin.com/yx5t [07:33] altendky: compare with a liveusb please [07:33] lotuspsychje: i haven't changed uefi vs. legacy in the bios. what would you like checked in that regard? [07:33] altendky: we need to findout why your nvidia gets blocked [07:33] lotuspsychje: ubuntu 19.10 showed the nvidia in lspci. kubuntu 19.10 just hung on lspci [07:33] ^^ about live boots [07:34] lotuspsychje: so given that windows and ubuntu 19.10 live show the nvidia i guessed (sure, it's certainly not proof) that it was something in my kubuntu install that was causing it to not be 'present' [07:34] after lanuching tor in cosole, hint "connections died in state connect()ing with SSL state (No SSL object)" , what's matter with this [07:35] altendky: yeah, or its a kubuntu block, or due your many prime software you installe [07:35] lotuspsychje: yeah, 'many prime i installed' would fit in my mind as something in my kubuntu install [07:36] i'll power off instead of just rebooting [07:38] lotuspsychje: no better after powering off https://termbin.com/tjm7 [08:01] lotuspsychje: thanks again for all the help. i purged the bumblebee/bbswitch packages and my not-from-ubuntu-repos kernels but no change yet. actually walking away now to go to bed. [08:02] altendky: ok, id go for 2 lives if i was you, gnome vs kde [08:07] 02:33 lotuspsychje: ubuntu 19.10 showed the nvidia in lspci. kubuntu 19.10 just hung on lspci [08:07] 02:33 ^^ about live boots [08:11] altendky: interesting [08:12] lotuspsychje: I'll give kubuntu another chance tomorrow [08:12] Kubuntu live [08:18] allrighty [08:25] Did Ubuntu loosing its popularity after the demise of Unity Desktop. [08:50] hello all [08:50] quick question...is this channel for chat only or is it for support as well? [08:51] portocala123: support only, for chat use #ubuntu-offtopic [08:51] i am in the right place then [08:51] didn`t want to ask questions in the wrong place [08:52] in case anybody has a few minutes to spare please let me know [08:52] as i am stuck with a wireless issue for two days now [08:53] ask your question, be specific. if anyone can help they will respond, but it's very quiet here at this time. [08:53] i see..well i will give it a go [08:58] i have a tl-wn722n with atheros ar9271...initially when i was plugging the USB it would not recognize it at all so i had to install linux-firmware package..i am on Linux porto 5.0.0-36-generic #39~18.04.1-Ubuntu [08:58] porto@porto:~$ iwconfigwlx6470021ab50d IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"DIGI-5AWU" Mode:Managed [08:58] i can see it as managed [09:00] [ 1516.876988] ieee80211 phy2: Atheros AR9271 Rev:1[ 1516.881099] ath9k_htc 1-3:1.0 wlx6470021ab50d: renamed from wlan0[ 1518.552372] wlx6470021ab50d: authenticate with f8:98:ef:50:1e:18[ 1518.787876] wlx6470021ab50d: send auth to f8:98:ef:50:1e:18 (try 1/3)[ 1518.789589] wlx6470021ab50d: authenticated[ 1518.792288] wlx6470021ab50d: associate with [09:00] f8:98:ef:50:1e:18 (try 1/3)[ 1518.796457] wlx6470021ab50d: RX AssocResp from f8:98:ef:50:1e:18 (capab=0x1411 status=0 aid=1)[ 1518.805179] wlx6470021ab50d: associated [09:00] in dmesg i can see it as associated [09:01] lshw looks fine [09:01] *-network description: Wireless interface physical id: 1 bus info: usb@1:3 logical name: wlx6470021ab50d serial: 64:70:02:1a:b5:0d capabilities: ethernet physical wireless configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ath9k_htc driverversion=5.0.0-36-generic firmware=1.4 ip=192.168.100.22 link=yes multicast=yes [09:01] wireless=IEEE 802.11 [09:01] the prolem is i cannot set this adapter in monitor mode [09:02] whenever i try to do that using ifconfig interface down then iwconfig interface mode monitor [09:02] and then up [09:02] it simply doesnt show the interface at all anymore so i have to remove the usb and add it back [09:05] phy0 wlo1 iwlwifi Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak] (rev 10)phy2 wlx6470021ab50d ath9k_htc Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11nInterface 15mon is too long for linux so it will be renamed to the old style (wlan#) name. (mac80211 monitor mode vif enabled on [phy2]wlan0mon (mac80211 station mode vif disabled for [09:05] [phy2]wlx6470021ab50d) [09:06] then i do not see it if i do ifconfig [09:06] but i see it here [09:06] porto@porto:~$ ifconfig wlan0monwlan0mon: flags=4098 mtu 1500 unspec 64-70-02-1A-B5-0D-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 txqueuelen 1000 (UNSPEC) RX packets 0 bytes 0 (0.0 B) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 0 bytes 0 (0.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 [09:06] collisions 0 [09:06] sorry if it is too much info..just wanted to give details [09:07] portocala123: is this 19.04? [09:07] #39~18.04.1 i believe [09:08] Linux porto 5.0.0-36-generic #39~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 11:09:50 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [09:08] what does 'lsb_release -ds' say? [09:09] DISTRIB_RELEASE=18.04DISTRIB_CODENAME=bionicDISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS" [09:12] i also tried doing iw phy [09:12] i noticed the two entries keep changing [09:12] porto@porto:~$ iw phy phy3 interface add wlx6470021ab50d type monitorcommand failed: Operation not permitted (-1) [09:12] and i get this as well [09:12] i tried allmost everyhing that made sense to me and did a lot of research before coming here to bother you guys [09:16] you might want to test a newer mainline kernel, to see if that has a better driver [09:17] !mainline [09:17] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [09:19] thanks [09:19] let me test that as well [09:19] there is also the hwe-edge kernel [09:27] portocala123: wifi drivers/chipsets don't necessarily support all modes of operation. in general only client mode is guaranteed to work. that may be what is going on here. [09:27] and they left. [09:27] -_- [09:27] :p === baraba_ is now known as baraba [09:48] Enhancement request @ upgrade: Allow user to check/uncheck package that get removed after upgrade was installed. [09:48] Is this worth posting in Ubuntu-devel-discuss? [09:59] DarkTrick_: you could create a bug wishlist, but sure, perhaps better ask the devs first [10:15] lotuspsychje, usually I would create a bug, but my understanding is, that enhancement should first be discussed in Ubuntu-devel-discuss. I would take whichever is better. [10:25] Hello! I was wondering, when using apt-get, is it possible to check the version of the software you want to download before downloading it? (ex, seeing what version of deluge is available before doing sudo apt-get install deluge) [10:26] (is it possible in the terminal I mean) [10:27] 'apt policy packagename' [10:27] ah thanks! :) [10:27] that will list installed and available versions [10:49] Is it possible to reload a module with a quirk during a live session? It always tells me that the module is in use etc. [10:52] kill the module and load it again ? [10:53] and if you cannot ..you may just have to suck it up and "reboot" [10:53] kill pid should do the trick i think [10:57] How can I reboot into a live session? [10:57] I mean... [10:58] I have to load a sound module with a quirk or what it's called to make headphones work, but I also need to test it live because there is already an OS on my machine and I have to know whether sound works before replacing it [11:01] xnat834[m]: you could do an install onto a usb stick to have a proper install to work with [11:01] also, to remove a module you need to unload all modules that depend on it [11:05] I tried to install from a USB stick to a USB stick, but it basically froze [11:05] I don't know whether the USB bandwidth is too low or the power of the machine, I suppose both could be the case [11:11] Is there a way in ubuntu to control the power settings perfectly? [11:12] and preferably using a programming language/script? [11:12] I want the screen to turn off after 1 minute. Lock after 5 minutes. [11:12] Sleep after 30min. [11:12] cluelessperson_: people that expect perfection are statistically always going to be disappointed [11:13] tatertots, I'd be happy if I could control it with my own python programming. [11:13] Is NTFS unsupported on grub2 when Secure Boot is enabled? [11:13] tatertots, Then the frustration is myself, and not with bad software even giving me the otion. :P [11:13] (not calling ubuntu bad software, I just don't know) [11:13] frustration all the same [11:14] cluelessperson_: screen blanking is done by the x server, locking by a separate process [11:15] ducasse, Well, I'm thinking X server shouldn't be what determines when to blank the scren [11:15] ducasse, I think it should blank the screen, only if it's told to [11:15] Leave it to a process to manage power [11:15] that's what it does, see the xset man page [11:15] ah [11:16] ducasse, So what manages power in ubuntu? [11:16] at the end of the day, the kernel i guess [11:18] sounds like a dumb spaghetti mess [11:18] I wonder if there's a diagram/map of all the components together [11:18]