| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:21 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | Hi oSoMoN | 06:25 |
| jibel | morning tout le monde | 06:37 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 06:39 |
| oSoMoN | salut jibel | 06:39 |
| duflu | Morning jibel | 06:40 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:16 |
| duflu | Hi didrocks | 07:18 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 07:24 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 07:31 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN, ça va mieux ? | 07:34 |
| Laney | lut | 09:03 |
| duflu | lo Laney | 09:05 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you today? | 09:07 |
| marcustomlinson | morning all | 09:07 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, bien mieux, merci! et toi, ça va? | 09:09 |
| oSoMoN | hey Laney | 09:09 |
| oSoMoN | morning marcustomlinson | 09:09 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128 | 09:09 |
| duflu | Hi marcustomlinson | 09:09 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: ça va oui, merci :) | 09:10 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN, ça va mieux ? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, Lukaz was looking for you yesterday asking if the tb SRU is meant to go through security again | 09:10 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, and popey was asking what's the status of firefox 71 for 19.10/stable series | 09:11 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, beaucoup mieux, merci | 09:12 |
| seb128 | super! | 09:12 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, I'll talk to them, thanks. the TB SRU isn't meant to go through security, and firefox 71 is up in -security and -updates since last night, except for xenial, but I'm working on it | 09:13 |
| Laney | hey duflu seb128 marcustomlinson oSoMoN | 09:13 |
| Laney | seb128: doing alright! you? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | doing good! | 09:16 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, before you ask, I'm working on my weekly status update | 09:21 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, :-) | 09:26 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, good morning! you probably noticed that I re-enabled unity-menubar.patch in the xenial build in firefox-next, but when testing I found that the menubar gets duplicated when opening any menu | 09:49 |
| oSoMoN | I need to investigate this further, I won't re-enable the patch in the other series until I figure it out | 09:50 |
| oSoMoN | also, I'm tempted to remove the patch altogether in focal, so that we don't have to maintain it forever | 09:50 |
| Laney | +++++ | 09:53 |
| seb128 | popey, hey, in case you didn't see, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/71.0+build5-0ubuntu0.19.10.1 | 10:13 |
| popey | \o/ thanks! | 10:13 |
| seb128 | np! | 10:13 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, kenvandine, jamesh, monday weekly summary (if you are off on monday we said it should be posted on friday) | 10:15 |
| oSoMoN | popey, I'm still working on the 71.0 update for xenial, in case anyone asks | 10:15 |
| oSoMoN | s/asks/complains/ | 10:15 |
| dupondje | oSoMoN: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=946249 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1601707 | 10:56 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 946249 in firefox "firefox 71 breaks most addons because of local storage errors" [Important,Open] | 10:56 |
| ubot5 | Mozilla bug 1601707 in Untriaged "segfault in DoDatabaseWork (this makes Firefox 71 to crash at startup)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:56 |
| dupondje | and https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/11606#issuecomment-563944612 | 10:56 |
| gitbot | vector-im issue 11606 in riot-web "Riot Web stop receiving new messages after Firefox 71 update" [Bug, Upstream-Issue, 🔥 Fire 🔥, Open] | 10:56 |
| dupondje | might want to put it on your radar :) My first tests show that ubuntu is also affected | 10:56 |
| Laney | just installed a VM to test the new gtk | 11:08 |
| Laney | and it's completely broken /o\ | 11:08 |
| Laney | can't get to gdm, even systemd.unit=rescue.target doesn't give me a shell to do anything at | 11:09 |
| oSoMoN | dupondje, ack, those issues are caused by gcc miscompilation, firefox in ubuntu is now built with clang, so in theory it shouldn't be affected | 11:09 |
| oSoMoN | dupondje, what tests exhibit a problem? | 11:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, :-( | 11:11 |
| Laney | seb128: for your gtk2 upload, I think you need ${CROSS_COMPILE} in the pkg-config call too | 11:15 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, thx, I was just fixing that now | 11:17 |
| Laney | cool | 11:17 |
| dupondje | oSoMoN: well tested riot, but seems like it was just some delay, and finally worked. So guess we're unaffected on ubuntu indeed. Didn't notice other issues at least :) | 11:47 |
| oSoMoN | dupondje, good :) keep me posted if you do find issues! | 11:48 |
| Laney | tjaalton: hey, can you take a look at this log and see if you know why it's going south please? https://paste.debian.net/1120491/ | 13:37 |
| Laney | this is a VM and I can't log into a session | 13:38 |
| Laney | GDM/Wayland fails like this: https://paste.debian.net/1120492/ | 13:40 |
| Laney | is this some udev thing? | 13:41 |
| Laney | just wanted to test my gtk update - two broken projects later and I'm still not there :) | 13:41 |
| Laney | nicely shaven yak though | 13:41 |
| * Laney goes to eat lunch | 13:41 | |
| tjaalton | Laney: looks like xserver starts before the kms driver is ready | 13:44 |
| tjaalton | restart gdm and it should be fine | 13:45 |
| seb128 | shrug, why is canonistack so sloooow :( | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | jdstrand: did you see the autoconnect request for gnome-firmware? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gnome-firmware-auto-connect-to-fwupd-interface/14444 | 14:10 |
| jdstrand | kenvandine: yes, I plan to run through the rest of the store requests today (it is what I am currently doing) | 14:11 |
| kenvandine | jdstrand: great! | 14:11 |
| Wimpress | Hello desktoppers. | 14:28 |
| marcustomlinson | yo Wimpress | 14:28 |
| oSoMoN | hi Wimpress | 14:28 |
| seb128 | hey | 14:29 |
| hellsworth | good morning everyone | 14:29 |
| oSoMoN | good morning hellsworth | 14:30 |
| hellsworth | o/ | 14:31 |
| Wimpress | Right, lets do this thing :-) | 14:31 |
| Wimpress | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-12-10 | 14:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Dec 10 14:31:26 2019 UTC. The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 14:31 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 14:31 |
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| Wimpress | Roll call: didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancel | 14:31 |
| marcustomlinson | \o | 14:31 |
| hellsworth | o/ | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | o/ | 14:31 |
| oSoMoN | 🐵/ | 14:32 |
| seb128 | _o/ | 14:32 |
| Wimpress | Well, shall we make a start? | 14:32 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-bb-bugs | 14:33 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:33 |
| Wimpress | Nothing for desktop there. | 14:34 |
| Wimpress | Nothing in unknown we should I own IMO. | 14:34 |
| seb128 | +1 | 14:35 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:35 |
| Wimpress | Everything in desktop is assigned. | 14:36 |
| Wimpress | Quick scan of unknown doesn't appear to have anything we should own. | 14:37 |
| Wimpress | Move on to dd? | 14:38 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-dd-bugs | 14:38 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:38 |
| Wimpress | Nothing for desktop in there. | 14:38 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:38 |
| Wimpress | desktop-packages bugs are assigned. | 14:39 |
| hellsworth | but #1733321 | 14:39 |
| Wimpress | hellsworth: Well spotted. I missed that. | 14:40 |
| hellsworth | wow it's 2 years old | 14:40 |
| Wimpress | Yep, just reading... | 14:41 |
| seb128 | I don't think it's rls material | 14:41 |
| seb128 | but it has a workaround patch and might be worth reviewing | 14:41 |
| seb128 | but that's rather for the sponsoring queue imho;.. | 14:41 |
| Wimpress | Hmm, patch looks like a bodge. | 14:41 |
| Wimpress | `sleep 2` | 14:42 |
| Wimpress | seb128: You want it in the sponsoring queue? | 14:44 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, well, it has a patch that didn't get reviewed, even if it's not correct 1- the contributor deserves a reply 2- it might give a clue of the issue and of a better fix | 14:44 |
| seb128 | just need to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors for that | 14:45 |
| seb128 | but in the meeting we usually focus on +1/-1 to rls nominate | 14:45 |
| Wimpress | I've subscribe ubuntu-sponsors | 14:45 |
| seb128 | as I said I would -1, it's a flacky test, not an user facing problem | 14:45 |
| seb128 | thx | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | agreed, -1 for rls | 14:45 |
| Wimpress | Move on to ee? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | +1 | 14:46 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-ee-bugs | 14:46 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:46 |
| Wimpress | http://launchpad.net/bugs/1855593 | 14:47 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1855593 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs:6:g_assertion_message:g_assertion_message_expr:file_tree_lookup:tracker_file_system_get_file:_insert_store_info" [Undecided,New] | 14:47 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, that's a duplicate and I while it's a frequently reported issue I don't think we should rls target it | 14:48 |
| Wimpress | OK. I'll drop the tag. | 14:48 |
| seb128 | it's also already being worked on upstream (I provided them a db from a system which has the issue, looks like it happens on corrupted sqlite dbs) | 14:48 |
| Wimpress | Left a comment on the bug. | 14:50 |
| Wimpress | So Brian knows why I removed the tag he placed. | 14:50 |
| Wimpress | Nothing in unknown that looks like it belongs to us. | 14:51 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:51 |
| Wimpress | http://launchpad.net/bugs/1845801 | 14:51 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1845801 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Automatic login fails and then all subsequent logins fail. Killing gnome-session-binary fixes it, or just not using automatic login." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:52 |
| Wimpress | Seems to be affecting a reasonable number of people. | 14:53 |
| seb128 | tseliot was on it, we should check with him (but probably outside of the meeting, no need to make the meeting longer over that) | 14:55 |
| Wimpress | OK | 14:55 |
| Wimpress | Everything else looks in order for the desktop. | 14:56 |
| Wimpress | Time for focal? | 14:56 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 14:56 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-ff-bugs | 14:56 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:56 |
| Wimpress | Look good to me. | 14:57 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:57 |
| Wimpress | Looks in hand too. | 14:58 |
| Wimpress | #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:58 |
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| Wimpress | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:58 |
| Wimpress | That has grown. | 14:59 |
| Laney | Think seb128 is more on it than me atm | 14:59 |
| seb128 | right | 14:59 |
| hellsworth | i can poke the security folks on libmail-dkim-perl today | 15:00 |
| hellsworth | seb128: is there anything on this list i can help with? | 15:00 |
| seb128 | thx, that would be useful | 15:00 |
| seb128 | I think the list is mostly i386 removal fallouts | 15:00 |
| seb128 | which are being handled | 15:00 |
| hellsworth | oki | 15:00 |
| Wimpress | Suspiciously high number of build failures on armhf | 15:01 |
| seb128 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-December/040859.html | 15:01 |
| seb128 | for those who didn't see that / want context | 15:01 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, oh? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | anyway, outside of i386 | 15:01 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, I think we should consider badtest firefox/armhf | 15:01 |
| seb128 | rather than keep retrying a long job with poor success | 15:01 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, agreed | 15:01 |
| Wimpress | +1 | 15:02 |
| oSoMoN | it's gotten worse lately | 15:02 |
| Laney | what made it start failing and why wouldn't it be more appropriate to fix that? | 15:02 |
| seb128 | can you mp a britney hint for it? | 15:02 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, I don't know what made it start failing, there's a bug open to investigate it but I haven't had time for it | 15:02 |
| seb128 | Laney, we should fix it, but realistically armhf isn't high enough the priority list that I can see it fixes before holidays | 15:03 |
| seb128 | so I suggest we skip that version instead of hammering retry which we currently do | 15:03 |
| seb128 | I will card the task to properly fix it though | 15:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, sounds an acceptable compromise? | 15:03 |
| seb128 | otherwise cyrus-imapd needs to be fixed, but that's not especially us since it's universe | 15:04 |
| seb128 | and I think that's it | 15:05 |
| didrocks | I think related to this, there are 2 MIRs that needs investigations (if needed), and if so, filed: xorg/xterm, libnotify/sugar (https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg) | 15:05 |
| seb128 | hellsworth, thx for asking if you could help, but I think we should be good for this round (if you want to poke at cyrus-imapd feel free though) | 15:05 |
| Laney | I don't particularly suggest "hammering retry" is ever the right thing to do | 15:05 |
| Laney | if we don't care about a working firefox on armhf, stop building it | 15:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thx | 15:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, I was thinking about that, we should probably have that discussion | 15:06 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, ^ | 15:06 |
| seb128 | firefox on amd64 only | 15:06 |
| seb128 | but not today :) | 15:06 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, I think that's enough for that section of the meeting | 15:07 |
| oSoMoN | I would certainly welcome dropping architectures that almost no-one uses anyway | 15:07 |
| Laney | I don't think armhf (or arm64) falls into that category though, they are certainly used for desktop stuff | 15:07 |
| oSoMoN | the most obvious one being s390x, which we know builds but segfaults at startup | 15:07 |
| Laney | I'm certainly happy for an armhf build of firefox on my raspberry pi | 15:07 |
| Wimpress | I agree with Laney | 15:07 |
| marcustomlinson | yep | 15:08 |
| marcustomlinson | desktop != amd64 | 15:08 |
| oSoMoN | yeah | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | s390 though... that should be a candidate to drop | 15:08 |
| seb128 | well, but also n% of our capacity spent for 0.01% users... | 15:08 |
| seb128 | but anyway | 15:09 |
| seb128 | not a topic for here/now I think | 15:09 |
| oSoMoN | I'm not aware of reports that firefox doesn't work on armhf though, it seems it's just that one test when run in the autopkgtest infrastructure | 15:09 |
| Laney | we control what tests the package executes, and if it's not doing a good job of testing if firefox actually works then it could be altered to do so | 15:10 |
| Wimpress | Are we all done with that topic? | 15:11 |
| seb128 | I think so | 15:11 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, let's continue the discussion just after the meeting | 15:11 |
| Wimpress | Good idea. | 15:11 |
| Laney | if the firefox in focal release is already broken then we could badtest this version I guess | 15:11 |
| Wimpress | #topic AOB | 15:11 |
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| Laney | :( poor tests :( | 15:12 |
| Wimpress | ANyone have anything they want to discuss? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | not me | 15:13 |
| Wimpress | me either | 15:13 |
| hellsworth | nothing from me | 15:13 |
| didrocks | nothing for me | 15:13 |
| Wimpress | OK. | 15:14 |
| Wimpress | Going in 3... | 15:14 |
| Wimpress | 2... | 15:14 |
| hellsworth | wow those are slow seconds.. | 15:14 |
| hellsworth | :) | 15:14 |
| didrocks | big ones ;) | 15:14 |
| Wimpress | Country time ;-) | 15:14 |
| hellsworth | lol | 15:14 |
| Wimpress | 1... | 15:14 |
| Wimpress | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Dec 10 15:15:02 2019 UTC. | 15:15 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-12-10-14.31.moin.txt | 15:15 |
| didrocks | thx! | 15:15 |
| Wimpress | Thanks everyone | 15:15 |
| oSoMoN | thanks | 15:15 |
| hellsworth | thanks! | 15:15 |
| marcustomlinson | dankie | 15:15 |
| jibel | thx | 15:15 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, so the firefox/focal/armhf hang is tracked by bug #1853571 | 15:15 |
| ubot5 | bug 1853571 in firefox (Ubuntu) "autopkgtests sometimes hang on armhf" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1853571 | 15:15 |
| oSoMoN | it appears that what hangs is geckodriver, i.e. the executable used for driving the selenium tests, not firefox itself | 15:16 |
| oSoMoN | which would explain why I haven't seen any reports of firefox actually not working on armhf | 15:16 |
| oSoMoN | this is of course something that needs to be investigated and fixed, but realistically I won't get around to it before the holidays | 15:17 |
| oSoMoN | what's the least bad course of action? | 15:17 |
| seb128 | thx | 15:18 |
| Laney | is the version already in focal broken in the same way do you know? | 15:18 |
| oSoMoN | yes | 15:18 |
| oSoMoN | It migrated after a few retries | 15:18 |
| Laney | probably means it is ok-ish to add a badtest hint then, since the package in proposed doesn't change the situation | 15:19 |
| oSoMoN | (I know retrying is almost never the right answer, but it appears that if the test infrastructure isn't under load there's a much higher probability for the test to pass) | 15:19 |
| oSoMoN | see http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/firefox/focal/armhf | 15:20 |
| Laney | if it's a fails on slow systems thing then stress-ng might help you :-) | 15:20 |
| oSoMoN | it started failing more reliably on 2019-11-07 | 15:20 |
| oSoMoN | nothing really stands out in the versions of the test dependencies | 15:23 |
| Laney | yeah I guess it'll take some poking | 15:27 |
| Laney | you can see the testbed deps too if you download the artifacts | 15:27 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, I did that | 15:27 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, there's already a badtest hint for it, the version just needs updating: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu/revision/4089 | 15:29 |
| oSoMoN | do you want me to submit a MR for it, or can you go ahead and push it yourself? | 15:29 |
| oSoMoN | the version in -proposed is 71.0+build5-0ubuntu1 | 15:30 |
| Laney | ok, I can do that | 15:32 |
| oSoMoN | thanks | 15:33 |
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