[00:01] <Bashing-om> freakyy: ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log  ' And let's see what X has to say.
[00:04] <dreamon> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gFKgc5dBJF/
[00:05] <Bashing-om> dreamon: reading  - I be a while.
[00:06] <Bashing-om> dreamon: ls -al /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d .
[00:07] <dreamon> Bashing-om, -rw-r--r--  1 root root  116 Dez  8 22:49 20-nouveau.conf
[00:09] <dreamon> Bashing-om, Only 20-nouveau.conf is there..
[00:10] <Bashing-om> dreamon: Anything of interest in that ^ file ? and we have "8.278] (EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)" ouch ! What shows dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel ' ?
[00:11] <dreamon> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/F4Y5nVfsdj/
[00:12] <dreamon> un  xserver-xorg-video-int <none>          <none>          (no manual exists)
[00:13] <dreamon> Bashing-om, should I install it?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> dreamon: Maybe - hold that thought.
[00:16] <Bashing-om> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel bionic
[00:17] <Bashing-om> dreamon: Still thinking - see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1568604/comments/261
[00:21] <dreamon> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1722306 → solution "sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-swrast" only a my thought of dri error.
[00:23] <Bashing-om> dreamon: libgl1-mesa-swrast is not in our repo ..lemme read up.
[00:25] <Bashing-om> dreamon: 2011 is too old to be relevant, Nvidia recently did a whole new re-write.
[00:26] <OerHeks> i say 340, maybe time to do a fresh install?
[00:27] <dreamon> Bashing-om, Why is there only 20-nouveau.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
[00:28] <hdon> hi all :) i was almost finished setting up a new USB SSD with gparted/cryptsetup/mkfs.ext4 when i realized i'll probably plug and unplug this a lot and it would be useful if ubuntu would automatically decrypt and mount it the way it does with any other unencrypted USB mass storage device. should i be doing things a special ubuntu way? are there any special considerations?
[00:28] <dreamon> Bashing-om, An its from 8. of december. maybe better to delete?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> dreamon: I would think that 20-nouveau.conf is for the Nvidia driver,
[00:34] <dreamon> Bashing-om, no. I posted you → in it →    Driver      "nouveau"
[00:35] <dreamon> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/F4Y5nVfsdj/
[00:42] <dreamon> Bashing-om, should we give up for today? I had to go to bed.
[00:49] <dreamon> Bashing-om, Still there?
[00:52] <dreamon> Bashing-om, had to go.. had to go to work early. I will be back tomorrow
[00:53] <Bashing-om> dreamon: K. got side tracked on the 20-nouveau.conf file.
[00:54] <dreamon> K.?
[00:55] <Bashing-om> freakyy: k == acknowledge :)
[00:55] <dreamon> Bashing-om, let us stop here. should we give it a try tomorrow?
[00:56] <Bashing-om> dreamon: We can try IF I am around - possible that I must be away from the terminal in the day.
[00:57] <dreamon> Bashing-om, I have time.. I try since a few years ;)
[00:57] <dreamon> Bashing-om, good night. Thank you very much.
[00:58] <Bashing-om> dreamon: :D - this is an interesting issue.
[00:59] <dreamon> On arch it was a issue for 5minutes. But on this machine I do all my daily working.
[00:59] <dreamon> Bashing-om, see you.. bye
[01:16] <Alexa> Hi! How do I get single line output video processing instead of getting new line for every single frame that is encoded?
[01:16] <Alexa> * for ffmpeg
[01:20] <WaV> Alexa: If you don't get an answer here, there is also a ffmpeg chan here on Freenode.
[01:20] <Alexa> I wrote it there as well. No answer so far.
[01:21] <robertparkerx> Is there any reason why ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu comic won't update past 7.3.2
[01:22] <robertparkerx> latest is 7.3.12
[01:25] <sarnold> robertparkerx: 'comic' or 'cosmic'? is this just a typo in your sources files?
[01:26] <robertparkerx> Sorry cosmic
[01:27] <Bashing-om> !cosmic
[01:27] <sarnold> robertparkerx: oh! hah. cosmic hit EOL on july 18 2019 and ondrej only supports currently supported releases: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases https://launchpad.net/%7Eondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php/+index?batch=75&memo=225&start=225
[01:28] <robertparkerx> Ah crap
[01:28] <robertparkerx> How can I dist upgrade
[01:28] <robertparkerx> do-release-upgrade
[01:29] <KodiakIT> What would be the proper way to go about specifying user access to a static mount in /etc/fstab for ext4? I've tried `allow_other`,`user`, and `setfacl -R -m u:cmk:rw /mnt`, and I still couldn't get rsync to be happy with trying to work with the destination
[01:29] <Bashing-om> !upgrade | robertparkerx
[01:30] <Bashing-om> !eol | robertparkerx
[01:48] <robertparkerx> Cool now I'm on 19.04
[01:48] <robertparkerx> B-)
[01:48] <sarnold> much better :)
[01:48] <Bashing-om> \o/ robertparkerx
[01:49] <sarnold> note that 19.04 hits EOL in january; so plan on doing this again in a few weeks to get to 19.10
[01:50] <WaV> So does that mean 18.04 is EOL too? lol
[01:51] <Bashing-om> WaV: NOooo ... 18.04 is a LTS release ( 5 years) :)
[01:51] <WaV> Ok good.
[01:51] <WaV> My laptop has been super super stable since I switched to Ubuntu 2 months ago
[01:51] <WaV> I don't want to break it.
[01:52] <sarnold> LTS releases are better choices for people who just want a computer; the other releases are better choices for people who like to fiddle with new things and participate in development
[01:53] <sarnold> and sometimes the same person will have different needs; machines that should be stable run lts, dev machines may run the non-lts releases, and have a test machine with non-lts to keep up with changes, etc
[02:05] <robertparkerx> How could I go ahead and upgrade to 19.10 now from 19.04
[02:06] <robertparkerx> Run `do-dist-upgrade` again?
[02:25] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: Yep - on fully Updated 19.04 install :)
[02:27] <robertparkerx> How do I install The following packages have been kept back:
[02:27] <robertparkerx> It won't allow me to upgrade I think because of this
[02:28] <robertparkerx> nevermind sudo apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade
[02:29] <sarnold> apt upgrade should do the right thing most of the time
[02:29] <sarnold> but use do-release-upgrade to migrate between versions
[02:29] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' Pay attention here as there are reasons why the system holds packages back and you are now over-riding the package manager.
[02:36] <linux_dr_arcules> (Repost)I used to be much more comfortable setting up networks on linux machines, back before IP-tables that, I believe have come and gone. I'm trying to connect to a device with a fixed IP address on a private ethernet peer-to-peer network and am having no luck. The device is erroneously using a public IP address: 192.0.0.64, but I am unable to get packets going to it, even when disconnecting from all other networks. Can so
[02:36] <linux_dr_arcules> meone help me figure this out?
[02:37] <linux_dr_arcules> nicolam suggested guff which I installed already, but I believe I need to setup the interface with the static IP device first.
[02:37] <sarnold> linux_dr_arcules: hmm, why'd it get that address? is it connected to the internet and getting that address via dhcp?
[02:37] <linux_dr_arcules> S/guff/gufw/
[02:38] <linux_dr_arcules> sarnold: OLD hardware.... I think it may support DHCP as an option, but the factory default is fixed static IP
[02:38] <sarnold> oh this is firmly in *weird* territory then..
[02:39] <faLUCE> hello, which utility can I use for displaying myimage.jpg in a window without borders and decorations, that I can easily move with the mouse?
[02:39] <sarnold> linux_dr_arcules: you can use ip addr add .. to add IP addresses to your linux machine's network card, then ip route add ... to add a route for that IP
[02:39] <linux_dr_arcules> sarnold: Yep... Especially with that kooky address.
[02:39] <sarnold> linux_dr_arcules: the manpages are in ip-address and ip-route
[02:40] <sarnold> faLUCE: I've used qiv for displaying images for many years but no idea on the 'move with the mouse' part
[02:42] <faLUCE> sarnold: the problem with qiv is that I can move the window only by pointing with the mouse on the top of it
[02:42] <linux_dr_arcules> Yes, but I don't want to add any more public IP addresses in private LANs than I need to.  I could for instance set my USB ethernet to 192.0.0.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0 so it's on the subnet, but that hides 256 public IPs from my system
[02:43] <linux_dr_arcules> I guess I could setup a 192.0.0.* subnet and only route to it for that one kooky IP address?
[02:50] <linux_dr_arcules> so is there an easy way to configure a NIC to talk to one, and only one IP address?
[02:54] <sarnold> linux_dr_arcules: maybe. on linux it'd be easy enough to ip route add a route for a specific IP address
[02:54] <sarnold> linux_dr_arcules: but your hardware device may not have iproute2 tools installed, or may not have the older route tool installed, or perhaps user-accessible
[02:57] <linux_dr_arcules> I don't care about my device talking to the outside network... only concerned in it talking to me.
[02:57] <CarlFK> linux_dr_arcules: netmak of 31, no gateway
[02:58] <linux_dr_arcules> CarlFK: isn't that backwards???
[02:58] <CarlFK> maybe 32. not sure what would happen in that case as the first and list IPs are 'reserved' for stuff like dhcp and I forget what else
[02:58] <CarlFK> ah, actually 31 is perfect.  you need 1 IP for each end of the wire
[02:58] <CarlFK> what IP do you want to talk to?
[02:59] <linux_dr_arcules> 192.0.0.64
[03:03] <CarlFK> you will have 2 IPs: 64 is 01000000, and 65 01000001
[03:04] <CarlFK> net mask of 31 is ff.ff.ff.fe or 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111110
[03:06] <CarlFK> hmm, I am starting to think 30
[03:08] <linux_dr_arcules> I guess I should start off by verifying my NIC supports Auto MDI-X? :-|
[03:10] <CarlFK> 11111100  ... and now I am trying to work out if you can use .64 as that will be the broadcast IP .
[03:11] <CarlFK> what is causing this question?
[03:14] <linux_dr_arcules> CarkFX: trying to talk to a legacy device with a kooky public static IP address as the factory default
[04:39] <__raven_> hi
[04:42] <__raven_> after upgrade to 19.10 graphics is very sluggish. running 4 displays (2 on pcie card and two on mainboard) on 5.3.0-24-lowlatency. same setup was on lowlatency on 19.04 before. suggestions welcome, tnx
[06:16] <Rich_Morin> Some code in https://github.com/GeoffreyPlitt/vagrant-audio is trying to do an `apt-get install` of `linux-headers-3.2.0-23`. This fails with "Unable to locate package". I've tried a couple of other plausible packages, with no success.  Help?
[06:23] <CarlFK> Rich_Morin: try without the linux-headers package
[06:23] <CarlFK> oss4-dkms may depend on what is needed
[06:24] <Rich_Morin> Worth a try...
[06:30] <Rich_Morin> Well, that didn't complain; moving on... (thanks!)
[06:39] <CarlFK> woot
[07:35] <fairuz> Good day people
[07:36] <fairuz> I have some mystery that need to be solved. :)
[08:49] <ryuo> fairuz: it would help if you were more specific
[09:21] <fairuz> The user I use to access the server has access to use sudo
[09:24] <fairuz> but sometimes, when I do sudo su as that user, and put in the password, it says, password incorrect
[09:25] <fairuz> I cannot pinpoint how to trigger this behavior, but it happens quite often
[09:25] <ducasse> don't use sudo su, if you want a root shell use sudo -i
[09:25] <fairuz> If I wait sometime, it will allow me to sudo again
[09:26] <fairuz> ducasse if I understand correctly, one is no-login shell, one is login shell?
[09:26] <ryuo> fairuz: why are you using sudo to run su? you can achieve the same result from sudo -i -u $USER
[09:28] <fairuz> I want to run some commands as root
[09:28] <fairuz> ducasse Same thing if I use sudo -i
[09:28] <fairuz> seems like it only allow one root session or something
[09:31] <fairuz> I think I can reproduce it this way. 1) SSH to the server (using key) 2) sudo su and put in password, managed to get into root shell 3) Open another terminal and ssh into the server (using key). 4)sudo su and put in password, got rejected password incorrect
[09:31] <ryuo> -i is for starting a shell under another user... though it only allows one session to be in the foreground of any given tty
[09:31] <fairuz> ah
[09:32] <ryuo> multiple sessions can exist in parallel but each would need its own tty.
[09:32] <ryuo> via a terminal multiplexer or separate ssh sessions.
[09:32] <ryuo> etc
[09:33] <ryuo> fairuz: seriously though. don't mix sudo and su together. each handles passwords differently.
[09:34] <ryuo> sudo expects the current user's password. su expects the target user's password.
[09:34] <fairuz> ryuo I always use sudo su before this. Will use sudo -i after this. Thanks
[09:34] <ryuo> e.g., under the default mode of operation (root user)
[09:35] <ryuo> sudo expects your user password.
[09:35] <ryuo> su expects the root user's password (if it exists)
[09:36] <fairuz> ryuo Noted with thanks
[09:37] <fairuz> but I have a confusion
[09:37] <aeplus> same here, out of habit: sudo su -
[09:37] <fairuz> Using sudo -i now, I still cannot sudo -i on the second ssh session
[09:42] <fairuz> Both are using different tty (/dev/pts/0 and /dev/pts/1)
[09:50] <ryuo> fairuz: don't know what to tell you. i've never known sudo to have issues with concurrent sessions.
[09:52] <syoc> morning, any news on when zfs will be available as an install option on ubuntu server 19.10?
[09:54] <SwedeMike> syoc: is it specifically not available in server but it's available for desktop?
[09:56] <syoc> SwedeMike according to https://ubuntu.com/blog/enhancing-our-zfs-support-on-ubuntu-19-10-an-introduction
[09:56] <johnjbogle1> hello. I seem to have deleted my Settings, as in no ability to edit or adjust any kind of settings whatsoever. When I click on the top-right menu bar, in the dropdown it shows the PowerOn/Off icon, but where the Settings icon is supposed to be next to it, it's gone. Even when I press the Super key, and type Settings into the search bar, nothing comes up. This began after I was Removing items off my machine via the Ubuntu Software Store. I thought I
[09:56] <johnjbogle1> was being careful not to Remove any item that seemed remotely system-important, but I guess not careful enough. No idea what I could've Removed that would've done this. Any advice please? TIA.
[09:59] <SwedeMike> syoc: if it's not available for server right now, I would guess it's not going to be available until 20.04 comes out.
[10:05] <johnjbogle1> Also, fyi, my Alt+Tab function is not working.
[10:35] <kgbrsjgvnsj> Hi, I mounted proc sys and dev to mounted chroot system (both host and chroot system are ubuntu 16.04) and can't umount them. Could anyone help me with that? Is there some way to do this as usually, without systemd-nspawn?
[10:36] <EriC^^> kbrosnan: why do you want o unmount them?
[10:40] <kgbrsjgvnsj> EriC^^: because I stopped using the chroot-system and don't need it mounted
[10:40] <kgbrsjgvnsj> well, I can keep it of course but that's a bit weird
[10:40] <EriC^^> kbrosnan: try sudo umount -R /path/to/chroot
[10:47] <kgbrsjgvnsj> EriC^^: it doesn't help but I already found the answer
[10:47] <kgbrsjgvnsj> here it is if someone needs this https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00106.html
[11:12] <ZombyWoof> Lubuntu hangs at login screen after fresh install. I logged in from console terminal and did all updates. Still hangs in GUI.
[11:16] <Fuchs> ZombyWoof: after you entered your login credentials or before?
[11:17] <Fuchs> ZombyWoof: if after: see if this also happens with a different (fresh) user, is no: check the permissions in your user home and any settings / autostarts that might break
[11:21] <ZombyWoof>  I have to walk afk from keyboard allot, so sorrie for the delay. before login. mouse does respond, but keyboard not, although I can ctrl-alt-F2
[11:21] <Fuchs> ZombyWoof: that's odd, can you find out what login manager is running from a terminal? sddm and lightdm are potential candidates
[11:22] <Fuchs> ZombyWoof: then it's worth checking the logs of that, of the X session and, if you can't find anything, simply trying the other one
[11:27] <ZombyWoof> I have to do that later. Iḿ in a hurry now, kids school lunch. sorrie. Hope you're on in about an hour?
[11:33] <JustLandedOnMars> hi
[11:34] <JustLandedOnMars> so I have PS/2 mouse and I want to buy USB mouse, are there any chances it will not work in linux, I mean lack of driver or something ?  or USB mouse driver is so generic that no one had any problems using USB mouse in linux for years ?
[11:38] <ryuo> JustLandedOnMars: So how's mars?
[11:38]  * ryuo coughs.
[11:38] <ryuo> JustLandedOnMars: but in all seriousness, USB mice generally work. it's the ones with extra features that may not work fully.
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:51] <Aison> I had some problem with my filesystem. No fsck.ext4 recoverd some files in lost+found
[12:52] <Aison> it looks like some of them are system files
[12:52] <Aison> is it possible to check at least the files installed by dpkg for their consistency?
[12:55] <otyugh> hey. Could someone using 18.04 tell me his kernel version ? Using uname -a
[12:56] <cariveri> otyugh: 4.15.0-72-generic ?
[12:56] <Aison> Linux mail 4.15.0-72-generic #81-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 26 12:20:02 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:56] <otyugh> thanks
[12:57] <otyugh> For some reason I couldn't find it on ubuntu package website
[12:57] <otyugh> it wasn't named as debian "linux-image-arch"
[13:33] <transhuman> Hi! anyone able to help with an NFS export from Ubuntu to Windows. FIrst of all copies from Windows 10 to linux are painfully slow,like 200KB per second and can vary up to 4 MB/s over gigabit Ethernet . Second copies from Windows back to linux act like they are going to copy to Ubuntu but instead tally up whats to be copied and then shows a progress bar that takes a couple of seconds for 50 GB copy and then shuts down and does not
[13:33] <transhuman> Is there settings that fix these problems
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman: something like that sounds like a networking problem, routing tables or something else is off
[13:38] <transhuman> no i can copy to the nfs device but slowly so that is unlikely but thanks for your input its greatly appreciated
[13:39] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman: Are other methods of file transfers equally as slow? If you sftp directly from one machine to the other?
[13:39] <transhuman> I can try that thats a good diea
[13:39] <transhuman> idea
[13:39] <transhuman> thanks
[13:51] <transhuman> pragmaticenigma:  FTP over SSH is lightning fast just NFS from windows to linux is painfully slow
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman: This is an article I found... might be related? https://www.ixsystems.com/community/threads/slow-performance-nfs-on-windows-and-cifs-smb-on-linux.50686/
[14:15] <Iarla> Help. I've followed some tutorials to disable touch on my touchpad (because it was flakey), but my family don't like using the buttons instead of just tapping so I need to restore it. I can't figure out how I did it but it's a synaptics touchpad.
[14:15] <Iarla> I can move the arrow, just that clicking is now restricted to buttons (tap to click no longer works). Ubuntu 16.04.
[14:20] <Robert74> Hello. I've got trouble with Ubuntu 19.10. There's no option "Enable Wi-Fi" inside the network manager applet. May I get help in here or should I ask for help in another place? Thanks!
[14:20] <rypervenche> Iarla: You can't figured out how you did it before? I'm assuming you ran some commands from the command line to make this happen? Did you follow a guide?
[14:23] <Iarla> rypervenche: I followed a few different ones, one of them seemed to work. Then I rebooted and it worked. I've used by .bash_history to look through the files I've edited and try to restore them (I did add comments to help me undo it), but it seems it wasn't enough. To the best of my knowledge I've reversed my changes but it still doesn't work.
[14:24] <Iarla> *none of them seemed to work. Then ...
[14:25] <rypervenche> Iarla: I'm guessing you edited something in /etc/X11, yes? If so, which file(s)?
[14:25] <rypervenche> And did you reboot after making the changes back?
[14:26] <Iarla> Yes
[14:27] <transhuman> thanks pragmaticenigma
[14:28] <Iarla> I was in a fair few files. 51-synaptics-quicks.conf, 50-synaptics.conf, 90-libinput.conf, 11-evdev-trackpoint.conf, 11-evdev-quirks.conf
[14:30] <raidghost> Running ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and torrent speed (tested downloading ubuntu iso) is quick
[14:30] <raidghost> But inside the VM that runs on the same host. Its slow as hell.
[14:31] <raidghost> What might be the issue?
[14:31] <a90c> i want to install ubuntu on one of my laptop. can i find out if it suppots my hardware on live iso?
[14:31] <raidghost> a90c: if the laptop is a propper normal laptop
[14:32] <raidghost> I guess it would suppoert your hardware just fine.
[14:32] <raidghost> What laptop brand and model is it?
[14:32] <a90c> raidghost: actually not, its chinese manifucturer
[14:32] <a90c> raidghost: thats why im not sure
[14:33] <raidghost> a90c: so its kind of random chinese chipset?
[14:34] <a90c> raidghost: it has emmc storage. Does ubuntu support it?
[14:34] <a90c> raidghost: Intel Atom Z8350
[14:35] <a90c> raidghost: hometech alfa 100a
[14:35] <Iarla> Next time I will backup the files instead of leaving comments
[14:40] <raidghost> a90c: give it a try with ubuntu 18.04 HWE kernel
[14:40] <a90c> raidghost: with live iso?
[14:42] <EriC^> a90c: yeah if it works in the live iso it should work in the install usually
[14:42] <a90c> ok thanks guys
[14:43] <a90c> dmesg output would give me supported devices then, right?
[14:44] <a90c> i hope it supports audio device.
[14:44] <EriC^> try and see, if one kernel doesnt another might
[14:45] <a90c> i am gonna use it for entertainment.
[14:50] <Robert74> Wi-Fi does not work in Ubuntu 19.10... Please, give me any piece of advice, I'll appreciate it.
[14:50] <Robert74> What should I do?
[14:52] <rbasak> Robert74: the usual cause is that there is no driver for your wifi hardware. I don't know for certain if that's the case for you, but if it is, then the most trouble-free way of fixing it is to buy one of the tiny USB wifi dongles available.
[14:53] <rbasak> (one that works in Linux by default without third party drivers, that is)
[14:58] <Robert74> Oh, if only I could buy another wifi dongle =(  this one, which I currently have, worked well in 19.04, but now it doesn't... I've done exactly the same instruction like in github.com/cyberkotov/mw300um-linux-driver . In 19.04 it worked, in 19.10 it does not.
[14:58] <jeremy31> Robert74:  post url from terminal for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:59] <jeremy31> Robert74:  no need to run command since it is usb
[14:59] <Robert74> it is usb
[15:02] <Robert74> Could you please advise where to ask for help with my issue?
[15:03] <jeremy31> Robert74:  https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver?files=1
[15:04] <Robert74> Thank you! :)
[15:10] <Iarla> Is it possible to purge/reinstall the synaptic touchpad support to get a "clean install" for that device without reinstalling the OS?
[15:16] <ioria> Iarla, you can use  apt install --reinstall  <packages>
[15:19] <Iarla> ioria: thanks. Any idea what package it would be? I see a few that look right here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=synaptic
[15:19] <Iarla> (is Ubuntu back on xorg now??)
[15:20] <ioria> Iarla, dpkg -l | grep synaptics | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> Iarla: Ubuntu has never stoped using X11
[15:22] <Iarla> ioria: https://termbin.com/to87
[15:22] <Iarla> pragmaticenigma: oh, okay.
[15:22] <ioria> Iarla,  apt install --reinstall  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[15:23] <Iarla> ioria: thank you :)
[15:23] <ioria> no prob
[15:37] <mmx_in_space> hi all, is it possible to figure out if python is ''working'' on my ubuntu server edition
[15:38] <mmx_in_space> i think i might have messed it up
[15:38] <ice9> how to encrypt using a key stored on yubikey with gpg?
[15:40] <Hund> mmx_in_space: Try running Python?
[15:43] <mmx_in_space> is it possible to have python 3.5.3 or later but not 3.6 or later on ubuntu 16.04 ?
[15:44] <Hund> Isn't Python 3.6 the same thing as "Python 3.5.3 or later"? :P
[15:44] <mmx_in_space> i tried to install it and a game server that uses a mod that relies on python 3.5 was working with 3.5.2 but now no longer
[15:45] <ducasse> ice9: just load gpg-agent, and gpg should handle it automatically
[15:45] <Hund> mmx_in_space: You should really talk to them about it. Python 3.5 is superseded by 3.6.
[15:45] <ducasse> ice9: you also need scdaemon running, iirc. it's been a while since i set this up
[15:46] <mmx_in_space> Hund: will software compiled for 3.5 work with 3.6 ?
[15:46] <ice9> ducasse, you mean the pcscd daemon, but what to do with the gpg-agent?
[15:47] <akk> mmx_in_space: You can install other pythons (either from a ppa or by compiling) but I strongly recommend that you don't replace the system python, instead install it as an alternate version.
[15:47] <Hund> mmx_in_space: It depends on the application and its dependencies I guess.
[15:47] <ducasse> ice9: just run something like 'eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)'
[15:47] <Hund> mmx_in_space: But it should work.
[15:48] <ducasse> ice9: and i did mean scdaemon, at least it's running here
[15:48] <ice9> ducasse, i have no daemon with that name
[15:50] <ducasse> ice9: it's in the scdaemon package
[15:51] <ducasse> ice9: then put 'scdaemon-program /usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon' and 'enable-ssh-support' in $HOME/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
[15:52] <mmx_in_space> akk, hund, i installed python 3.5.6 using source code. how can i remove it completely or make my application default use the system python version ?
[15:54] <mmx_in_space> there was an option to prevent replacing the default python binary file /usr/bin/python but i realized to late
[15:54] <mmx_in_space> too*
[15:55] <Hund> mmx_in_space: The readme should include instructions how to uninstall it as well. Then just reinstall the latest version from your package manager.
[15:55] <akk> mmx_in_space: Usually packages that use make have a make uninstall target (+ what Hund said)
[15:56] <mmx_in_space> akk, Hund, ok thanks a million
[15:56] <akk> Though if apt uses python and you replaced the system python, make uninstall might break apt.
[15:56] <mmx_in_space> crap
[15:57] <akk> I don't know if apt uses python for something basic like apt install.
[15:57] <akk> I would think that apt install python3 --reinstall would get you what you need from the system python.
[15:58] <akk> You might possibly have some extra files here and there, but they probably wouldn't cause problems.
[16:02] <mmx_in_space> akk: thanks. i will try a little later today
[16:03] <akk> mmx_in_space: You could also (after the reinstall) try make -n uninstall -- -n will tell you what it would do, without actually doing it.
[16:04] <akk> Then any directories that have only 3.5.6 in the path, e.g. /usr/lib/python3.5.6, you could remove by hand.
[16:04] <akk> (or maybe just move them somewhere else first, so you can restore them if it breaks something)
[16:08] <sveinse> I have problems getting multiple screens with 19.10 on my Lenovo P51 laptop. Gnome doesn't even detect the second screen. Hybrid graphics. Nvidia driver. Does not help changing BIOS to discrete. Nouveu does not help. Works fine with 18.04. What are my options? Abandon 19.10 and wait for 20.04?
[16:15] <cariveri> help. how to map all files in <mypath>/keyword* to symlinks in myfolder/mylinks/ ? files and folders alike.
[16:30] <EriC^> cariveri: you mean there are files called keyword* and folders called keyword* ?
[16:30] <akk> Other than just ln -s <mypath>/keyword* myfolder/mylinks/ ?
[16:31] <EriC^> i dont think ln is that smart, could it be
[16:31] <akk> I'm probably misunderstanding the question.
[16:32] <EriC^> akk: it is that smart, providing a list of the dirs and just a destination works
[16:32] <EriC^> cariveri: go with akk 's suggestion of ln -s /mypath/keyword* /myfolder/links
[16:35] <cariveri> keyword* is a glob pattern. * being any continuation.
[16:35] <EriC^> cariveri: yeah, we know
[16:41] <cariveri> lets say I got resources/views/{cars,car,car_stand,car_box.txt}  , app/car.md , app/Controllers/CarController.md  and all those I'd like to have accessible at components/car/views/{cars,car,car_stand,car_box.txt} and compontents/car/model/car.md , components/car/Controller/CarController.md .. in other words Id like a secondary access structure moving from MVC pattern to components.
[16:42] <cariveri> as symlinks.
[16:43] <cariveri> but perhaps this isnt the right channel. perhaps I should ask #bash?
[16:43] <EriC^> cariveri: it's not really a bash question per say
[16:43] <EriC^> cariveri: so you're saying you want the directory tree to be copied as well to the mylinks/ dir?
[16:47] <cariveri> EriC^: note, the structure is different. find any Model, View or Controller and make it into one component folder. with or without subdirs of {m,v,c}.
[16:47] <cariveri> component by component that is.
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> cariveri: I'm not understanding how this is an Ubuntu support question. This seems more like a programming question, which should be directed at a different channel
[16:49] <pragmaticenigma> cariveri: Data organization is a user choice, and invokes a lot of opinions which doesn't make for a support question. If you want to discuss file organzation, perhaps try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss. If you are having issues with an Ubuntu application or system resource, this would be the place to ask for help./
[16:52] <EriC^> cariveri: if there aren't too many of them i guess you could do "ln -s  resources/views components/car" and "ln -s app/car.md /components/car/model/car.md" and "ln -s app/controllers components/car"
[16:53] <cariveri> pragmaticenigma: as said above, Im not sure whether this is the right channel. but I tried to state my case in order to find someone sy :"hey, ubuntu has this map file system programm or alike that does exactely that." do you have any idea where to go to? because I dont.
[16:54] <EriC^> cariveri: you'd need to do "mkdir -p components/car/model" first
[16:55] <cariveri> EriC^: perhaps we go on in pm ?
[16:56] <EriC^> i mean there's not much support going on here right now anyways
[16:57] <EriC^> i can recall 20 support tickets similar to this, from a guy wanting to organize his music accordin to genre for his car trip, to a guy asking how to make ubuntu read out everything he highlights cause he's almost blind, all not 'ubuntu support' questions
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | cariveri
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> cariveri: As I mentioned before, file organization is a user choice. It is unlikely, and I have not seen any, there is a program to do what you describe in an "off-the-shelf" availability.
[17:03] <EriC^> i think he wanted something that can let him map stuff, like point this dir to that and the other to etc, kinda nice if it exists not aware of any personally
[17:04] <EriC^> i dont think that many people map stuff to other dirs, i guess it could be very beneficial for a project type dir like you have going on
[17:04] <cariveri> yes. inspired by vifm I thought perhaps I define a map file someone which I can edit and that automatically creates ymlinks form it. that would have been almost perfect.
[17:05] <EriC^> cariveri: you can write a script that will do it for you each time if you want
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> A person can use hard links for files, which would allow one file to exist on the drive, but be referenced from different locations. You can also use a softlink to have a directory point to another directory. The only application that I have ever seen that does something like that automatically is fslint, which is intended for managing duplicate files
[17:10] <EriC^> cariveri: basically just create first off the non-existent dirs in the mylinks/ then "ln -s /what/to/point/to /mylinks/dir/name"
[17:12] <faLUCE> hello. How can I view myfile.pdf in a window without decorations and margins?
[17:13] <faLUCE> I tried display myfile.pdf (imagemagick)  but it scales the pdf in a weird way
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> faLUCE: There are no applications that I am aware of that explicately request the window manager not draw borders, with the only exception being imagemagick. Perhaps you need to check your parameters to imagemagick?
[17:17] <cariveri> faLUCE: F11 I think changes to presentation mode. perhasp thats what you need after openeing the pdf in a standard viewer.
[17:20] <nopolitica> faLUCE: there are window managers (for example i3), which can be configured to run exact application without borders and decorations :)
[17:20] <akk> There are lots of apps that request no borders. evince, chromium-browser, dclock
[17:20] <cariveri> EriC^: thanks a lot so far. Ill keep going. eventhough I need to go now.
[17:20] <EriC^> cariveri: no problem, ok
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> akk: Those do that after being requested to display in that method. Not by default
[17:21] <akk> pragmaticenigma: I have definitely never requested that for evince and chromium-browser; I'm always trying to turn the borders back on, but they always seem to turn themselves off again.
[17:21] <EriC^> faLUCE: maybe devilspie can help
[17:22] <EriC^> !info dveilspie | faLUCE
[17:22] <akk> I dislike borderless except for a few apps like dclock.
[17:22] <EriC^> !info devilspie | faLUCE
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> akk: I don't know how you are launching them in that fashion... all the apps you mentioned I've only ever seen open, by default, with their window borders and decorations
[17:23] <akk> pragmaticenigma: I'm just running them from the commandline. How do I get evince to show borders? It's definitely hiding them by default.
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> akk: Perhaps it has something to do with launching them from the command line... I don't know... a topic to continue elsewhere though
[17:24] <_UsUrPeR_> Hey All. i'm trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 on a Mac Pro 5,1. It requires an EFI boot partition, and I am having a helluva time getting Ubuntu to boot properly. I do not have the original video cards, so rEFInd will not work
[17:24] <akk> I don't see anything obvious in the hamburger menu that would offer borders.
[17:24] <liquidgecka> I am having trouble with my newly installed 19.10 dual monitor setup and I am wondering if anybody can reproduce what I am seeing.. I have two UHD monitors (one laptop screen, one external display). I have the external monitor set to be the primary at 100% scale, the laptop display is set to UHD at 150% scale with the second monitor positioned to
[17:24] <liquidgecka> the right,bottom of the primary. When I move the mouse to the edge of the screen the primary display will pan into the secondary display before the mouse finally moves to the secondary. This does not happen if I move the mouse slowly across the edge.
[17:25] <akk> chromium does remember if I turn the borders back on, but I can't figure out how to get them with evince.
[17:26] <akk> evince has its own titlebar with the iconify, maximize, dismiss buttons that are usually on the windowmanager chrome.
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> liquidgecka: are you certain the scales are set independently for each screen? that the primary monitor isn't showing a viewport ?
[17:30] <akk> pragmaticenigma: Perhaps you have gtk3-nocsd installed? Here's a discussion on how a lot of gtk3 apps disable the windowmanager decorations in ubuntu, though it's a couple years old: https://askubuntu.com/questions/961161/how-do-i-disable-client-side-decoration-globally-in-gnome
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> akk: I asked earlire, please discontinue the discussion here. Feel free to join #ubuntu-discuss
[17:32] <akk> Okay, I'll stop. I thought this channel was for discussing how to solve things that are problems on ubuntu.
[17:33] <EriC^> _UsUrPeR_: give this a try, https://heeris.id.au/2014/ubuntu-plus-mac-pure-efi-boot/
[17:33] <liquidgecka> pragmaticenigma totally possible.. this was just configured using the display settings panel in the ubuntu configuration tool
[17:34] <EriC^> _UsUrPeR_: this seems a newer article, https://medium.com/@mmiglier/ubuntu-installation-on-usb-stick-with-pure-efi-boot-mac-compatible-469ad33645c9
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> liquidgecka: What version of ubuntu? are you using ubuntu tweaks? from what I know, the only supported scaling is 100% and 200%, and requires using the tweak tool to get values in between
[17:35] <_UsUrPeR_> EriC^,  thanks!
[17:36] <liquidgecka> this setup worked on 19.04 and prior but since 19.10 it now started panning like this
[17:36] <EriC^> _UsUrPeR_: np, let me know if you need any help, i've done it a  few times for folks on here
[17:37] <liquidgecka> pragmaticenigma  ahh yes.. that tweak was in the shared home directory between the two installs so it carried over that would make sense
[17:37] <liquidgecka> I forgot I ran that way way back when =)
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> maybe removing that configuration and readding it will resolve it?
[17:39] <liquidgecka> ahh yes good idea let me try that real fast. =)
[17:50] <liquidgecka> okay.. disabling that feature was clearly not a "live" safe operation.. my mouse got stuck in a bounding box that did not include the whole screen =)
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> good to know
[17:54] <liquidgecka> okay yea.. its hard to debug because I don't have different resolution monitors when scale can't be set in a per monitor basis. It appears now that panning only happens when I move the mouse into the "dead zone" above the second monitor when scaled which is an improvement at least. =)
[17:55] <liquidgecka> effectively I just need to find a way to prevent the mouse from being allowed into that dead space and I think I can make this workable for now
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> liquidgecka: It appears you're on to something then. If you have nvidia drivers installed, make sure there isn't something set in there?
[17:55] <liquidgecka> thanks for pointing that out pragmaticenigma, I had totally forgotten about that setting!
[17:56] <liquidgecka> I looked through the nvidia settings stuff but didn't see anything that jumped out to me. I remember doing something with dead zones before but I don't remember panning like this. Either way this gives me a good path to hunt down in order to debug/configure a little further =)
[19:00] <Soldierbane> Hi Everyone, I am trying to install ubuntu 18.04 alongside Win 10 on a lenovo X1 5th generation. For some reason when I get to the step of installing ubuntu "Install alongside Win 10" is not available as option. I know this is a very broad topic, but I'm hoping someone can help me trouble shoot as I've tried everything I can think of an I'm getting no luck.
[19:01] <pavlos> Soldierbane: did you disable fastboot on win10 and then shutdown completely?
[19:01] <Soldierbane> Yes. I also shrank the Win 10 partion by 90GB to give space for ubuntu.
[19:02] <Soldierbane> also did powercfg /h off and run a chkdsk.
[19:03] <pavlos> Soldierbane: I did a similar install but I had to choose "something else", format that partition as ext4, mount point / and install there
[19:03] <mordof> Hey all. I've got a rather strange problem happening. I'm on an MSI pe60 6qe (i mention because it has hardware issues sometimes with linux). when i close/open my monitor for example, it has a few seconds of hardware errors/interrupt issues... something strange, then it recovers. anyway,  during one of these - i unplugged my keyboard.   now, *only
[19:03] <mordof> that keyboard* and *only on my machine*, when i hit spacebar it spits out "yhn<space>" and enter spits out "tgb<enter>"
[19:03] <mordof> my keyboard works fine on other computers. it's a planck keyboard - i've tried resettting the firmware. i've rebooted my computer
[19:03] <mordof> i'm wondering if there's a keyboard profile/driver/something somewhere in ubuntu that i could reset for my keyboard to see if that'd help
[19:04] <Soldierbane> Pavlos: That partition being the blank one I created?
[19:04] <pavlos> Soldierbane: yes, that 90GB
[19:09] <Soldierbane> ok, So created device: /dev/nvme0n1p5 Type: ext4 Mount point: / Size 94372 MB Used: Unkwown When I select that and click install now it says: "The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a speerate partion for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as a "Reserved BIOS boot area" and should be at least 1 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot. If you do not go
[19:09] <Soldierbane> back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, boot loader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible to install the boot loader to a partition."
[19:10] <texla> When filling out the info in network connection should the device catagory be a name or a number
[19:12] <ioria> Soldierbane, did you start the installer in EFI mode ?
[19:19] <Soldierbane> Holy shit ioria you're a genius. System was set to prefer legacy boot.
[19:19] <Soldierbane> Changed it to UEFI only and my install alongside option is there. I feel so stupid right now haha.
[19:19] <ioria> Soldierbane, it's ok
[19:25] <Soldierbane> It lives!! Thank you guys so much!
[20:02] <andi> Hello, I'm playing around with preseed installation. Does somebody know of a way to either include a local config file via preseed/include or include a file containing one of the kernel parameters which become environment variables after booting into the installer?
[20:06] <HaSH> Hello all I just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 and I'm having trouble with deluged
[20:06] <HaSH> If I try to install deluged I get:
[20:06] <HaSH> deluged : Depends: python3-libtorrent (>= 1.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[20:06] <HaSH> If I try to apt-get install python3-libtorrent I get:
[20:06] <HaSH> python3-libtorrent : Depends: libtorrent-rasterbar9 (= 1.1.5-1build1) but 1.1.13+git20191027.909211888e+patched-configure-1ppa1~16.04 is to be installed
[20:07] <HaSH> Any ideas?
[20:08] <coz_> is it deluged or deluge
[20:08] <coz_> HaSH, ^^
[20:08] <lordcirth_> HaSH, do you have any third party repos?
[20:09] <HaSH> Deluge is the program and delugeD is the daemon
[20:09] <HaSH> lordcirth_, I did have some previous to upgrading, but during upgrade it said it disabled some. The update went fine without error
[20:10] <lordcirth_> HaSH, ok. 1.1.13+git20191027.909211888e+patched-configure-1ppa1~16.04 implies it's from ppa made for 16.04
[20:10] <HaSH> Oh hmm my eyes did *not* pick that up
[20:10] <HaSH> good catch!
[20:10] <HaSH> maybe something funky is left over from upgrading...let me check /etc/apt
[20:12] <ioria> HaSH, it's probably another pkg: qbittorrent-stable
[20:12] <HaSH> ioria, Hmm. Not sure if I had that installed before the upgrade
[20:13] <ioria> HaSH, dpkg -l | grep qbittorrent
[20:13] <HaSH> ioria, It's installed. Should I remove it?
[20:13] <HaSH>  4.1.9.99~201911190848-6738-0b055d8~ubuntu16.04.1
[20:13] <HaSH> again with 16.04
[20:14] <ioria> HaSH, please paste the output
[20:14] <ioria> HaSH, dpkg -l | grep qbittorrent | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:14] <HaSH> ioria, full output:
[20:14] <HaSH> ii  qbittorrent-nox                                             4.1.9.99~201911190848-6738-0b055d8~ubuntu16.04.1            amd64        bittorrent client based on libtorrent-rasterbar (without X support)
[20:15] <HaSH> Nice command to pipe output directly to a pastebin. I like :)
[20:15] <HaSH> https://termbin.com/6drn
[20:17] <ioria> HaSH, apt-cache policy qbittorrent-nox   | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:18] <HaSH> ioria, https://termbin.com/la5s
[20:19] <HaSH> ioria, Note: I did uninstall qbittorrent-nox then reinstall it
[20:19] <arvut> does Discord crash for anyone else than my friend who got it installed on Ubuntu?
[20:20] <arvut> this happens about half of the time when placing a direct Call, not when talking in a server channel though
[20:22] <ioria> HaSH, dpkg -l | grep  libittorrent   | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:22] <ioria> HaSH, dpkg -l | grep  libtorrent   | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:22] <HaSH> ioria, https://termbin.com/4ghm
[20:23] <ioria> HaSH, you need to ppa-purge that ppa
[20:23] <HaSH> Which ppa?
[20:24] <ioria> HaSH, grep -r -i ppa /etc/apt/
[20:24] <HaSH> My understanding was things where disabled when I upgraded
[20:24] <ioria> HaSH, this one i guess https://launchpad.net/~qbittorrent-team/+archive/ubuntu/qbittorrent-stable
[20:25] <HaSH> ioria, That command has like 50 results. WHich ppa am I looking for? deluge? qtbitrorrent?
[20:25] <ioria> HaSH, ^
[20:25] <HaSH> Gotcha! Thanks.
[20:25] <HaSH> Is there a command to purge the ppa or just comment the lines in apt sources
[20:26] <ioria> |info ppapurge
[20:26] <sarnold> there is a ppa-purge package
[20:26] <ioria> !info ppa-purge
[20:27] <HaSH> So ppa-purge qbittorrent-stable
[20:27] <HaSH> ?
[20:27] <HaSH> or do I need ppa:qbittorrent-stable
[20:27] <ioria> HaSH, sudo ppa-purge ppa:qbittorrent-team/qbittorrent-stable
[20:27] <HaSH> You rock
[20:27] <HaSH> :)
[20:28] <HaSH> ioria, PPA to be removed: qbittorrent-team qbittorrent-stable
[20:28] <HaSH> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: qbittorrent-team
[20:28] <HaSH> qbittorrent-stable
[20:28] <ioria> HaSH, it's probably disabled
[20:28] <ioria> HaSH, you need to enable it again
[20:29] <HaSH> Gotcha, looking into that now
[20:29] <HaSH> Ok, uncommented it in apt sources
[20:29] <HaSH> rerunning command
[20:29] <ioria> HaSH, you remove the '#' in that .list in /etc/apt/sources.list.it or from the GUI
[20:29] <HaSH> OK it's doing it's thing
[20:30] <HaSH> PPA purged successfully
[20:30] <ioria> HaSH, dpkg -l | grep  libtorrent   | nc termbin.com 9999   again
[20:30] <HaSH> WOOOT WOOOOT
[20:30] <HaSH> deluged installed
[20:31] <ioria> ok
[20:31] <HaSH> https://termbin.com/63on
[20:31] <ioria> it's ok
[20:33] <HaSH> Hmmm deluged doesnt want to start now
[20:36] <faLUCE> hello. is there a way to stop pulseaudio and use only alsa?
[20:37] <arvut> faLUCE: yes, you can do that, several distros have guides for this
[20:37] <arvut> faLUCE: note that some proprietary software will require PA though
[20:37] <Hund> faLUCE: Uninstall it.
[20:38] <sarnold> faLUCE: you could try systemctl disable pulseaudio.service ; systemctl stop pulseaudio.service; and see how far you can get from there. quite a lot of programs only support pulse output, but some may still have alsa output choices
[20:38] <Hund> I don't use ALSA.
[20:38] <sarnold> faLUCE: if you want to uninstall pulseaudio completely, the equivs package can help you build a dummy package to replace it
[20:40] <faLUCE> sarnold: the problem is that is not clear what I really have to use to stpo pulseaudio
[20:40] <faLUCE> to stop
[20:41] <faLUCE> why this is so weird?
[20:41] <HaSH> ioria, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it and  Iwoulndt have figured it out on my own. Thanks! :)
[20:42] <sarnold> faLUCE: pulseaudio -k will kill it, but it's likely going to just be restarted by systemd once it's dead
[20:42] <HaSH> Now onto why I can't connect. I hope I don't have to readd all my torrents again :(
[20:42] <sarnold> faLUCE: I haven't got a clue why it's weird, pulseaudio's worked fine for me for years; it sucked quite a lot back in the 12.04 LTS era, I had to kill it daily, but I haven't had to think about pulse in years
[20:43] <arvut> sarnold: wouldn't uninstalling it be the simplest solution?
[20:43] <MyJollyPancakes> Hello.  Is there an official torrent for the ubuntu-19.10.1-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi3.img.xz Raspberry Pi image file?
[20:44] <arvut> it is after all just a frontend for alsa, no?
[20:44] <sarnold> arvut: no, you have to do something to keep the package management database happy. that's harder than leaving it alone, which works great for most people ;)
[20:45] <arvut> guess we deal with that differently in gentoo then
[20:45] <sarnold> arvut: quite a lot of hardware can't do multiple output streams at once; pulse or jack or similar tools are the most reliable way for programs to use a single interface and share the sound card
[20:45] <sarnold> arvut: so depending upon the hardware you've got, either alsa works fine for you or it's miserable
[20:46] <arvut> alsamixer has no trouble managing all my soundcards, 4 of them, I use PA though since I need some binary blobs to communicate with the world
[20:47] <arvut> there is no workaround if a proprietary program depends of PA afaik
[20:50] <sarnold> do you have trouble sending output from eg firefox and mpd simultaneously through any of your soundcards?
[20:58] <arvut> sarnold: I'm on a different setup, so my results are not comparable, if you're asking me that question
[20:59] <arvut> sarnold: I know that quite a few people in other distros have a strict boycott of PA and anything related to its author, I have no such agenda
[20:59] <sarnold> sure
[20:59] <sarnold> I used to detest pulse
[20:59] <arvut> and afaik they run firefox, mpv/vlc with no issues, with just alsa
[20:59] <sarnold> but these days it works okay
[21:00] <sarnold> alsa worked great for me back before pulse existed, but I always had nice sound cards that could handle multiple audio streams at once no trouble
[21:00] <arvut> if ubuntu with systemd requires pa on so many dependency levels, could a replacement init-system be a solution?
[21:02] <arvut> or is it the depgraph of each package that gets broken if you remove pa alltogether?
[21:03] <sarnold> systemd is entirely unrelated here
[21:04] <sarnold> it's that packages that use the pulse apis will have a dependency upon pulse
[21:05] <arvut> alright
[21:05] <arvut> sarnold: can their deps be changed somehow?
[21:06] <sarnold> arvut: not easily; the equivs package can help you prepare a fake replacement package
[21:07] <arvut> what do you mean by "fake replacement package"?
[21:08] <Bashing-om> dreamon: Status ?
[21:09] <sarnold> arvut: it looks like pulseaudio but it isn't pulse audio
[21:09] <arvut> sarnold: so it tricks the depgraph into thinking pa is there but it really isn't?
[21:12] <sarnold> arvut: yeah
[21:29] <PuercoPope> Today I started getting Errors related to OpenSSL such as sslv3 alert handshake failure in Ruby or even Error code: SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP in Firefox. Any recent updates to OpenSSL in ubuntu 18.04 that might be behind this?
[21:32] <sarnold> PuercoPope: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bionic-changes/2019-December/date.html
[21:34] <sarnold> PuercoPope: the most recent changes I spot for ruby or openssl https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bionic-changes/2019-November/023697.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bionic-changes/2019-November/023559.html
[21:35] <sarnold> PuercoPope: neither one seems likely to give you that error; we haven't received any notices of problems from either of these. try to connect to your service with openssl s_client and see how it looks?
[21:44] <PuercoPope> sarnold: when I run openssl s_client it works ok
[21:45] <PuercoPope> ej. openssl s_client -connect api.stripe.com:44
[21:46] <PuercoPope> But when I either use faraday.get or try to open https://stripe.com/docs/security#tls either in Firefox or Chrome I get an error
[21:51] <sarnold> PuercoPope: stripe.com tested with good results two hours ago https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=stripe.com
[21:52] <sarnold> PuercoPope: hmm
[21:54] <Noboru55> hello everybody, where can i download ubuntu mate 18.10 ?
[21:54] <Noboru55> i don't find ubuntu mate or other flavors 18.10 in any place
[21:54] <ducasse> Noboru55: 18.10 is eol
[21:54] <Noboru55> ducasse what is eol ? please
[21:54] <ducasse> !eol
[21:55] <Noboru55> i see
[21:55] <Noboru55> i heard the 18.10 works better for old hardware. so... what can i choose now?
[21:56] <ducasse> 18.04 or 19.10
[21:56] <Noboru55> i am running 18.04.3
[21:56] <Noboru55> 19.10 works slowly
[21:57] <Noboru55> thank you
[22:29] <jiggawattz> hola
[22:33] <dreamcat4_> i am on 19.10 and it's got it's benefits
[22:33]  * jiggawattz is waiting for 20.04
[22:34] <dreamcat4_> zfs installer, maybe newer nvidia drivers etc. and definately a newer budgie desktop, newer gnome components (inc. new server for the media keys)
[22:35] <dreamcat4_> you can already upgrade to 20.04... it just probably isn't in very good shape yet and subject to a lot more changes
[22:38] <Technological> Yo anyone every try to use dropbear-initramfs to unlock a LUKS partition over wifi?
[22:39] <Technological> Asking before I do this and end up locking myself out
[22:45] <Technological> hmmm guess not
[22:46] <PuercoPope> sarnold: I found out the issue and it was unrelated to ubuntu. Thanks anyway
[23:04] <Mark60> hey @here :)  im loking for some help with getting grub to work again. I wanted to upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10 but sadly in this process gurb got currupted. i believe its also a lvm system.... realy appreciate any help i can get <3
[23:05] <Stoot> why did I got pinged ?
[23:07] <Technological> Mark60, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[23:10] <Mark60> Technological thank you will give this a go :)  hope thta this #999 time will work ^^
[23:15] <EriC^> Mark60: what happens when you try to boot currently
[23:17] <Mark60> EriC^ it just goes into: grub>
[23:19] <EriC^> Mark60: aha, are you in a live usb currently?
[23:19] <Mark60> yeah ive booted into a live Ubuntu 19.04
[23:21] <EriC^> Mark60: ah great! can you type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here?
[23:22] <Mark60> what does that do? will this create a remote access or somesort?
[23:23] <EriC^> Mark60: no, it'll run the command "sudo parted -ls" (showing the partition table) and netcat it to an online paste site
[23:23] <EriC^> it's a one way street, it'll only upload stuff to the site and give a link back
[23:24] <Mark60> termbin.com/gsen
[23:24] <Mark60> ah wow thats amazing
[23:25] <EriC^> Mark60: can you type "sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /mnt" ?
[23:25] <Mark60> done
[23:26] <EriC^> Mark60: ok, type "cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:26] <EriC^> i'm curious as to where /boot is, usually with lvm it's separate but i guess it might be part of the root partition
[23:27] <Mark60> http://termbin.com/6b6j
[23:27] <EriC^> Mark60: ok, seems it's part of the root partition
[23:28] <EriC^> Mark60: type "ls -lR /mnt/boot | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:29] <Mark60> http://termbin.com/21lz
[23:29] <Mark60> i gues its good when the boot is in the root partition? sorry for the noob question
[23:31] <EriC^> Mark60: doesn't matter really
[23:32] <EriC^> Mark60: can you retype the command adding the "R" after -l ?
[23:32] <Mark60> EriC^ you mean like this: ls -lR /mnt/boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:33] <EriC^> Mark60: yup
[23:34] <Mark60> termbin.com/eqw5
[23:34] <EriC^> Mark60: same result, odd
[23:35] <Mark60> that was the same command before
[23:35] <Mark60> and just then
[23:35] <EriC^> Mark60: anyways, try "ls -l /mnt/boot/grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:35] <EriC^> i see, weird
[23:36] <Mark60> EriC^ https://termbin.com/vbwb
[23:36] <EriC^> Mark60: i think there's a typo in your command somewhere
[23:37] <EriC^> did you put the /mnt/boot/grub ?
[23:37] <Mark60> ls -<capital <i>> /mnt/boot/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:37] <EriC^> Mark60: oh, it's a small L
[23:38] <Mark60> ah ok ups
[23:38] <EriC^> no worries
[23:38] <Mark60> EriC^ https://termbin.com/6k9c
[23:39] <EriC^> Mark60: ah odd, i'd have thought it's missing the grub.cfg file
[23:40] <Mark60> oh ok. so thats good news?
[23:41] <EriC^> Mark60: usually when efi boots up, it boots the grub efi file, and it uses a variable to find the /boot dir to get it's modules and stuff and loads grub.cfg, usually if that variable or the dir doesnt exist, it'll throw you into a grub rescue> prompt, but you said it's just a grub> so i guess it finds them, so i thought it might be missing the grub.cfg (the nice menu you should get)
[23:41] <EriC^> Mark60: anyways, let's try to just do a de-facto reinstall of grub, and see how it goes, and maybe we'll pick up something along the way
[23:42] <Mark60> hmm interresting
[23:42] <EriC^> Mark60: this is the file that should point to the grub.cfg, let's just take a quick peek at it as well
[23:42] <Mark60> ok i just follow your steps XD
[23:42] <EriC^> Mark60: type "sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt/boot/efi"
[23:43] <EriC^> (it's on the efi partition)
[23:43] <Mark60> ok done the mounting
[23:44] <EriC^> Mark60: ok, type "sudo cat /mnt/boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:45] <Mark60> EriC^ https://termbin.com/6sfk8
[23:45] <EriC^> ah see, it's missing the grub.cfg line
[23:45] <EriC^> so that's why it ends up at grub> and no menu
[23:46] <Mark60> um okay
[23:46] <EriC^> Mark60: anyways let's just chroot and reinstall grub and see if it changes the line on its own
[23:47] <EriC^> Mark60: type "for i in /dev /sys /proc; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[23:49] <Mark60> is there a space between $i /mnt$i ?
[23:49] <EriC^> Mark60: nope
[23:49] <Mark60> it gave me errors: mount point does not exsist
[23:49] <Mark60> wait a sec
[23:50] <Mark60> nah just thought i had a typo but didnt
[23:50] <Technological> Damn this got complicated. I thought boot-repair literally just reinstalls GRUB
[23:51] <EriC^> Mark60: try "sudo  grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot/efi"
[23:54] <Mark60> EriC^ grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
[23:56] <EriC^> Mark60: ah ok, we need to chroot
[23:56] <EriC^> Mark60: there has to be either some sort of typo, or missing dir structure in the root fs
[23:57] <Mark60> oh damn :/
[23:57] <EriC^> Mark60: what exactly did it say earlier when you typed the "for i in ..." command?
[23:58] <Mark60> EriC^  /dev/mnt/dev: mount point does not exsist
[23:58] <Mark60>  /sys/mnt/sys: mount point does not exsist
[23:58] <EriC^> Mark60: ah, there should be a space between $i and /mnt$i
[23:58] <Mark60> proc/mnt/proc: mount point does not exsist
[23:59] <EriC^> i think you wrote mount $i $i/mnt$i
[23:59] <Mark60> ok re-did that command
[23:59] <EriC^> all good?
[23:59] <Mark60> it dodnt print done but no error
[23:59] <Mark60> thats right then?
[23:59] <EriC^> yeah all good
[23:59] <EriC^> Mark60: type "sudo chroot /mnt"