[14:16] <AppAraat[m]> hi, I plugged in my DAC (Chord Mojo) and started JACK, but I can't control the volume of it by software. Either using `alsamixer` or `pavucontrol`. This is log output when I plugged it in: https://paste.debian.net/1120654/
[14:17] <AppAraat[m]> (so only hardware volume controls work which are the buttons on the device itself)
[18:14] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: Many USB (and perhaps other) devices do not have any software controls.
[18:19] <AppAraat[m]> oh, hmm. Yeah someone recommended me to get a mixer somewhere in between JACK and ALSA. I'll have to look at how I can control it from the CLI so I can map those controls to my i3wm keybindings.
[18:22] <OvenWerks> Ya, one of us needs to make such a mixer :)
[18:22] <OvenWerks> There is jack mixer
[18:23] <OvenWerks> but it is not cl controlable... so it would take a cli to jack midi to control it :P
[18:25] <OvenWerks> jackminimix is osc controlable which may be easier as the ocs commands can be send from command line using oscsend
[18:32] <AppAraat[m]> oh, interesting, interesting. These are all the pointers/// that I will do absolutely nothing with because knowing the lazy ass that I am, I'll just keep pushing buttons on my DAC :p
[18:33] <AppAraat[m]> did I think this out loud? I did, didn't I? :p
[18:36] <OvenWerks> Thats ok... it has been the same with making a jack output volume control... it will probably not get done anytime soon :)  For similar reasons
[18:36] <OvenWerks> Thinking about it, a commandline interface is not that easy.
[18:37] <OvenWerks> Something like osc control or dbus control really does make the most sense for that
[18:39] <OvenWerks>  a wraper that is easier to use would be ok, something that just takes a value like 50 or +1 or something would be about right
[18:39] <OvenWerks> but that still leaves the user with making their connetions manually to the mixer rather than the system outputs (which many apps do for you)
[18:40] <OvenWerks> so it would be a disconnect and reconnect thing by hand.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> A better way would be to change the alsa backend to include a volume control.
[18:44] <AppAraat[m]> >so it would be a disconnect and reconnect thing by hand.
[18:44] <AppAraat[m]> It's possible to save JACK sessions, right? Is that not something that can be done somewhat automatically?
[18:45] <OvenWerks> jack-plumbing might do that too.
[18:46] <AppAraat[m]> JACK has so...much...options :S
[19:00]  * OvenWerks thinks options are good.
[19:03] <corshmock> Hi OvenWerks
[19:04] <corshmock> I've been trying to follow your model of installing different distros instead of vms.  Unfortunately, I haven't been having much luck :(
[19:08] <OvenWerks> So are you going to tell me why? where you had trouble?
[19:10] <OvenWerks> So far I have found it easier to test thing with more than one partition than with a VM... but then I have been doing it this way for so long (since the 90s) that I have had no reason to even try VMs
[19:15] <corshmock> I start with ubuntu, create a partition for centos.  I go to install centos and I can't select the partition, so I wipe ubuntu.  I've tried it the other way round and I wipe centos.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> when installing ubuntu you need to choose the something else option
[19:17] <OvenWerks> so install centos first (though I am sure it has anoption to install alongside another os) and then you can choose what aprtition ubuntu is installed on.
[19:18] <AppAraat[m]> what is that model of installing distros?
[19:18] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: ??? I don't understand the question
[19:19] <AppAraat[m]> corshmock said: "I've been trying to follow your model of installing different distros instead of vms"
[19:19]  * OvenWerks wanders off to be with his wife for a bit
[19:19] <AppAraat[m]> \o
[19:20] <corshmock> centos doesn't seem to ubuntu and likewise ubuntu doesn't seem to see centos.  I've gone for the something else option.  Can't see a way to do it.
[19:21] <corshmock> AppAraat[m]: OvenWerks is able to install different distros alongside each other
[19:21] <AppAraat[m]> oh, like dual booting?
[19:22] <corshmock> AppAraat[m]: correct!  Or more like multi booting
[19:22] <AppAraat[m]> if so, then do note that choosing to encrypt (home folders) will make things a bit difficult.
[19:22] <corshmock> I could do it no problem installing linux along side a windows installation
[19:23] <corshmock> No encryption involved
[19:25] <AppAraat[m]> hmm, you could start with a full disk for ubuntu, then when installing centos choose "install alongside ubuntu" and then resize it there in the installer?
[19:34] <corshmock> No such option AppAraat[m]
[19:35] <corshmock> They will see a windows install but not another Linux install for some reason
[19:35] <AppAraat[m]> is GRUB installed on there?
[19:35] <corshmock> No sign of grub
[19:36] <corshmock> I think I'm going to have to go with vms
[19:37] <AppAraat[m]> when you install a linux distro it always asks you if you want to install grub, it's a smart choice to do so. Could be it. Then again I haven't really bothered with dual booting myself.
[19:40] <corshmock> If I saw an option to install grub I would certainly have selected it.  I've spent more time lately installing Linux.  I really don't believe grub has been an option.  I don't like the idea of installing vms on my Ubuntu install.  I wish OvenWerks could remote onto my laptop and install what I need :)