jameshrobert_ancell: hi.  there was some discussion last night about snapd-glib's "Recommends: snapd" dependency.03:41
jameshrobert_ancell: more details in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/185605403:42
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1856054 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio now depends on libsnapd-glib1 which recommends snapd" [High,Confirmed]03:42
jameshwhat do you think about switching it to "Suggests: snapd"?03:42
robert_ancelljamesh, I've uploaded SRUs to all supported releases.03:42
jameshrobert_ancell: ah.  Hadn't seen that it got split off into a second bug report03:43
robert_ancellSee bug 185619603:43
ubot5bug 1856196 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu Focal) "Lower the snapd recommends to a suggests" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185619603:43
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:13
dufluMorning oSoMoN06:17
oSoMoNhey duflu06:33
jibelbonjour everyone07:05
oSoMoNsalut jibel07:29
dufluHi jibel07:29
seb128happy friday desktopers!08:08
dufluHi seb12808:09
dufluHow goes?08:10
seb128hey duflu, I'm doing well thanks! how are you?08:10
dufluseb128, almost finished diagnosing and fixing the perf regressions that happened while I was away. So very good08:11
marcustomlinsonmorning oSoMoN duflu jibel and seb12808:46
dufluHi marcustomlinson08:46
seb128hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?08:46
marcustomlinsonseb128: quite well thanks :)08:47
marcustomlinsonhey Laney09:12
tjaaltonoSoMoN: hi, eoan sru queue still has tbird 68.2.2 while it's already in -updates?09:13
dufluhey hey Laney09:24
Laneyhey marcustomlinson duflu09:31
jameshseb128: for the Pulse Audio dependency problem, do we need to produce new versions of the package, or can we republish the version that was pulled once the new snapd-glib is in proposed?09:34
marcustomlinsonhey jamesh :)09:36
jameshhi marcustomlinson09:36
oSoMoNtjaalton, yes, it should be deleted from the queue, I initially thought it wouldn't go through the usual security updates, which is why I uploaded it to the queue09:37
seb128jamesh, we can republish the same one, also we kept it in proposed10:36
seb128hey Laney, how are you? happy friday!10:36
jameshseb128: awesome.10:36
seb128lut oSoMoN10:36
seb128shrug, canonistack is so slow, 100M of debs to install, 10 min and it has done 15% :-/11:04
ograyou should use a local raspberry pi instead :P11:05
oSoMoNsalut seb12811:06
seb128it's an amd64 canonical instance11:07
seb128oSoMoN, en forme ?11:07
oSoMoNbien, et toi?11:07
seb128ça va !11:07
seb128ok, that's ridiculous, I'm going to for lunch, hopefully it will have installed those packages once I'm back...11:10
oSoMoNyeah, I/O is very slow on canonistack11:11
oSoMoN10 mins to install 15MB of debs sounds much slower than what I'm used to, though11:12
Laneyhey seb128 & oSoMoN11:13
oSoMoNhey Laney11:13
oSoMoNall good?11:13
Laneybit glum11:18
Laneybut I'm ok11:18
jameshIt's almost cooled down to 30°C here.11:51
marcustomlinsondon't miss that kind of heat :/11:52
jameshthe heat wave should break on monday11:52
jameshit'll only be 34 max then11:53
marcustomlinsonyeah, much better, don't forget a coat11:59
kenvandineseb128: that's on the new bos01 region right?14:53
seb128kenvandine, yes15:04
hellsworthgood morning everyone!15:16
seb128hey hellsworth, happy friday! how are you?15:18
hellsworthhi seb128 . i'm ok and you :)15:20
hellsworthseems like quite some heat in the southern hemisphere15:20
seb128I'm pretty good, it's friday :)15:20
hellsworththe temps jamesh has in C is our temp here in F15:20
hellsworthfriday the 13th no less15:20
hellsworthare you going to watch any scary movies?15:21
hellsworthactually, is that a thing in europe?15:21
seb128that's not a think in Europe afaik15:23
hellsworthah ok15:23
seb128it's a luck/unlucky day, depending to what you believe15:23
hellsworthsee our country is so young we have to come up with things to celebrate since there aren't too many holiday s:)15:23
seb128it's rather a "play the lotterie" day in France if anything15:24
hellsworthnormally i would watch some really bad scary movie. like evil dead or something.15:24
hellsworthbut tonight i need to bake to get ready for my daughter's birthday party tomorrow15:24
seb128oh, happy birthday to her! big milestone for you as well I guess :)15:25
hellsworthindeed. i'll post a picture tomorrow15:26
seb128great :)15:26
hellsworthwe also will be opening a very nice bottle of scotch to celebrate :)15:26
hellsworthi'm very excited15:26
seb128that's the spirit!15:26
hellsworthlol yes it is!15:26
Saviqis there a known bug about /indicator|notification|tray/ icons going away in GNOME on eoan? I lost my Remmina icon altogether, and the KeepassXC one plays hide'n'seek15:48
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: desktop-launch sees some nice improvements with my PR16:43
kenvandinecold start goes from 0.846 down to 0.18416:43
hellsworthis github super slow for anyone else?16:43
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: holy moly16:43
kenvandine2nd start goes from 0.115 down to 0.08916:43
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: how did you get it even better than the version in snapcraft?16:44
kenvandinethose fixes haven't been released in snapcraft!16:44
marcustomlinsonoh wow16:44
marcustomlinsonvery nice!16:44
kenvandinethey were merged right after 3.9 was released16:44
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: mind reviewing https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/20016:45
gitbotubuntu issue (Pull request) 200 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "Performance improvements backported from snapcraft extension" [Open]16:45
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: sure will do16:45
kenvandinehellsworth: github doesn't seem slow to me16:45
hellsworthnice changes to desktop helpers kenvandine!16:45
hellsworthi wouldn't have thought that a simple check before mkdir -p would make that much difference16:45
kenvandinethey were really from galagash :)16:45
kenvandineyeah, seriously!16:46
kenvandineturns out mkdir is expensive16:46
hellsworthi guess so16:46
hellsworthyeah humm only github.com/snapcore/snapcraft is slow16:47
hellsworthmust be the friday 13th voodoo :)16:47
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marcustomlinsonkenvandine: just one small comment. sorry ocd16:54
Saviqmarcustomlinson: they're actually <TAB> I think ;)16:55
marcustomlinsonI'm am really confused. github diff shows the lines indented differently but pulling the branch looks fine locally. all spaces, no tabs either17:00
marcustomlinsongithub is super slow17:04
marcustomlinsonand now I can't comment anymore. anyways looks good kenvandine, approved17:05
hellsworthyeah i'm having troubles commenting too17:09
hellsworthrebooted and didn't help17:09
marcustomlinsondefinitely screwy17:10
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: did you just say you prefer 3 space indentation?17:13
* kenvandine is confused...17:13
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: no the spacing is fine, github is doing something odd there17:13
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: but I'm actually confused about this PR now that I think more about it17:14
kenvandineoh... looks fine to me17:14
marcustomlinsonhow are we getting gains from ensure_dir_exists17:14
marcustomlinsonnothing should exist at all on first run17:14
marcustomlinsonso mkdir should be called for every one right?17:14
kenvandineno gains on first run from that specific change17:14
kenvandinejust the icon cache fix17:14
kenvandinewhich is pretty significant on first run17:15
marcustomlinsonok ok I get it17:15
marcustomlinsonbig gain on just that wow17:15
kenvandinethe mkdir fix helps on the second run17:15
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: so you don't see this indent discrepancy: https://imgur.com/a/IZdPUxc17:17
marcustomlinsonline 396 is good, then the next 4 lines are one space too short17:18
marcustomlinsonbut not in the actual file if I download it17:18
marcustomlinsonanyway, ignore the comment17:18
kenvandinewow... that is weird17:19
kenvandinewhy would that render differently17:20
marcustomlinsonjust the sort of thing that happens on a friday17:20
kenvandinefriday the 13th :)17:20
marcustomlinsonwell the election results certainly feel cursed17:22
hellsworthbut maybe scotland will be safe. maybe.17:22
Laneyhappy weekend all18:01
hellsworthyou too Laney!18:01
marcustomlinsoncheers Laney18:01
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: for completeness, added a note to my post about why chromium and irccloud-desktop showed slower desktop-launch times18:02
marcustomlinsonand with that I'm out, have a good weekend all18:03
marcustomlinsonoh one last thing18:04
marcustomlinsonoSoMoN: you may want to rebuild the chromium snap as soon as kenvandine get's his PR merged into desktop-helpers :)18:05
marcustomlinsonshould give the snap about half a second faster cold run (https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/200)18:07
gitbotubuntu issue (Pull request) 200 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "Performance improvements backported from snapcraft extension" [Open]18:07
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: by the way, I don't have write access to snapcraft-desktop-helpers, so I can't merge your PR myself18:10
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: i can fix that18:11
kenvandinebut i'18:11
kenvandinebut i'll merge this, just want to build another snap with it for testing18:12
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: how about chromium ;)18:12
kenvandinei was thinking something that builds a little faster18:13
marcustomlinsonalright, I'm really out now, byyyye18:13
hellsworthhey kenvandine what are your thoughts on https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2794/files/1a00748ba0b3c6362582c4170df62244940f7470#r35742176218:14
gitbotsnapcore issue (Pull request) 2794 in snapcraft "Add gnome 3 34 extension" [Open]18:14
hellsworthidk the thought process behind having dicts with one item18:14
kenvandinemultiple bases18:25
kenvandinewe'll have a core2018:25
hellsworthi know there will be a core20 base but how will this affect the extension?18:31
oSoMoNmarcustomlinson, kenvandine: I'll definitely rebuild the chromium snap with the new desktop helpers18:32
hellsworthmaybe we'll just have to cross that bridge when we come to it18:32
oSoMoNthanks for working on this!18:32
oSoMoNnot right now though, I'm baby-sitting full time18:33
oSoMoNhave a great week-end everyone!18:33
hellsworthyou too oSoMoN !18:33
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: merged18:34
hellsworthdoesn't it feel good to merge something on a friday :)18:40
hellsworthkenvandine: i got recipes to build with the gnome-3-34 extension!19:35
kenvandinehellsworth: woot19:40
hellsworthyep. making cleanups and a coupel changes then will tuck it away for storage until the gnome-3-34 extension is merged19:41
gQuigsI now have the same but opposite problem on two different machines...19:53
gQuigson my media system, it can never remember to use HDMI audio, and I have to enable it every time19:54
gQuigson my desktop, if my new HDMI monitor goes to sleep, my sound settings like switching to it...  also for whatever reason, now when system sounds are played (I have them muted) - it silences my music player too....19:55
gQuigson desktop; just opening "Sound" was doing it sometimes.. and then I just noticed  - it might be scrolling up and a selection issue..    now of course I can't reproduce :/19:59
hellsworthgQuigs: perhaps you're hitting this issue on your media system: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/184757020:00
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1847570 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Eoan) "PulseAudio automatically switches to HDMI sound output on login" [Medium,Triaged]20:00
hellsworthlooks like there's a fix coming up in 20.0420:00
gQuigshellsworth: awesome! thanks.. I'm going to get right on testing that20:01
hellsworthsorry i meant desktop. the one where the hdmi audio is auto switching20:01
gQuigshellsworth: honestly, that might fix both20:03
hellsworthworth a try20:03
gQuigsand it's much easier for me to upgrade my media box to 20.04, cause that's what it's already running...20:03
hellswortha quick glance through the pulseaudio issues didn't have anything else that sticks out :20:05
hellsworththat's a ridiculous link20:05
hellsworthhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio and search for hdmi20:06
hellsworthif that bug 1847570 doesn't fix your issue, consider opening a new pulseaudio bug in launchpad20:06
ubot5bug 1847570 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Eoan) "PulseAudio automatically switches to HDMI sound output on login" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184757020:06
gQuigsthanks, oh well.. it didn't work.. (for media center)  although I did find snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC0D0: HDMI ATI/AMD: no speaker allocation for ELD.  I think I just have to figure out how to tell it, that it is a TV...21:24
gQuigs(that has it's own speakers..)21:24
* gQuigs found a bug to read through - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/137191921:32
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1371919 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "kern.log flooded with "HDMI ATI/AMD: no speaker allocation for ELD"" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:32

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