[03:41] <jamesh> robert_ancell: hi.  there was some discussion last night about snapd-glib's "Recommends: snapd" dependency.
[03:42] <jamesh> robert_ancell: more details in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1856054
[03:42] <jamesh> what do you think about switching it to "Suggests: snapd"?
[03:42] <robert_ancell> jamesh, I've uploaded SRUs to all supported releases.
[03:43] <jamesh> robert_ancell: ah.  Hadn't seen that it got split off into a second bug report
[03:43] <robert_ancell> See bug 1856196
[06:13] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:17] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:33] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:05] <jibel> bonjour everyone
[07:29] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:29] <duflu> Hi jibel
[08:08] <seb128> happy friday desktopers!
[08:09] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:10] <duflu> How goes?
[08:10] <seb128> hey duflu, I'm doing well thanks! how are you?
[08:11] <duflu> seb128, almost finished diagnosing and fixing the perf regressions that happened while I was away. So very good
[08:11] <seb128> great
[08:46] <marcustomlinson> morning oSoMoN duflu jibel and seb128
[08:46] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:46] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?
[08:47] <marcustomlinson> seb128: quite well thanks :)
[09:03] <Laney> hey
[09:12] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:13] <tjaalton> oSoMoN: hi, eoan sru queue still has tbird 68.2.2 while it's already in -updates?
[09:24] <duflu> hey hey Laney
[09:31] <Laney> hey marcustomlinson duflu
[09:34] <jamesh> seb128: for the Pulse Audio dependency problem, do we need to produce new versions of the package, or can we republish the version that was pulled once the new snapd-glib is in proposed?
[09:36] <marcustomlinson> hey jamesh :)
[09:36] <jamesh> hi marcustomlinson
[09:37] <oSoMoN> tjaalton, yes, it should be deleted from the queue, I initially thought it wouldn't go through the usual security updates, which is why I uploaded it to the queue
[09:37] <tjaalton> ok
[10:36] <seb128> jamesh, we can republish the same one, also we kept it in proposed
[10:36] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? happy friday!
[10:36] <jamesh> seb128: awesome.
[10:36] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[11:04] <seb128> shrug, canonistack is so slow, 100M of debs to install, 10 min and it has done 15% :-/
[11:05] <ogra> you should use a local raspberry pi instead :P
[11:06] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[11:07] <seb128> it's an amd64 canonical instance
[11:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, en forme ?
[11:07] <oSoMoN> bien, et toi?
[11:07] <seb128> ça va !
[11:10] <seb128> ok, that's ridiculous, I'm going to for lunch, hopefully it will have installed those packages once I'm back...
[11:11] <oSoMoN> yeah, I/O is very slow on canonistack
[11:12] <oSoMoN> 10 mins to install 15MB of debs sounds much slower than what I'm used to, though
[11:13] <Laney> hey seb128 & oSoMoN
[11:13] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[11:13] <oSoMoN> all good?
[11:18] <Laney> bit glum
[11:18] <Laney> but I'm ok
[11:51] <jamesh> It's almost cooled down to 30°C here.
[11:52] <marcustomlinson> don't miss that kind of heat :/
[11:52] <jamesh> the heat wave should break on monday
[11:53] <jamesh> it'll only be 34 max then
[11:59] <marcustomlinson> yeah, much better, don't forget a coat
[14:53] <kenvandine> seb128: that's on the new bos01 region right?
[15:04] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[15:16] <hellsworth> good morning everyone!
[15:18] <seb128> hey hellsworth, happy friday! how are you?
[15:20] <hellsworth> hi seb128 . i'm ok and you :)
[15:20] <hellsworth> seems like quite some heat in the southern hemisphere
[15:20] <seb128> I'm pretty good, it's friday :)
[15:20] <hellsworth> the temps jamesh has in C is our temp here in F
[15:20] <hellsworth> lol
[15:20] <hellsworth> friday the 13th no less
[15:21] <hellsworth> are you going to watch any scary movies?
[15:21] <hellsworth> actually, is that a thing in europe?
[15:23] <seb128> that's not a think in Europe afaik
[15:23] <hellsworth> ah ok
[15:23] <seb128> it's a luck/unlucky day, depending to what you believe
[15:23] <hellsworth> see our country is so young we have to come up with things to celebrate since there aren't too many holiday s:)
[15:24] <seb128> it's rather a "play the lotterie" day in France if anything
[15:24] <hellsworth> normally i would watch some really bad scary movie. like evil dead or something.
[15:24] <hellsworth> but tonight i need to bake to get ready for my daughter's birthday party tomorrow
[15:25] <seb128> oh, happy birthday to her! big milestone for you as well I guess :)
[15:26] <hellsworth> indeed. i'll post a picture tomorrow
[15:26] <seb128> great :)
[15:26] <hellsworth> we also will be opening a very nice bottle of scotch to celebrate :)
[15:26] <hellsworth> i'm very excited
[15:26] <seb128> that's the spirit!
[15:26] <hellsworth> lol yes it is!
[15:26] <seb128> :-)
[15:48] <Saviq> is there a known bug about /indicator|notification|tray/ icons going away in GNOME on eoan? I lost my Remmina icon altogether, and the KeepassXC one plays hide'n'seek
[16:43] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: desktop-launch sees some nice improvements with my PR
[16:43] <kenvandine> cold start goes from 0.846 down to 0.184
[16:43] <hellsworth> is github super slow for anyone else?
[16:43] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: holy moly
[16:43] <kenvandine> 2nd start goes from 0.115 down to 0.089
[16:44] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: how did you get it even better than the version in snapcraft?
[16:44] <kenvandine> those fixes haven't been released in snapcraft!
[16:44] <marcustomlinson> oh wow
[16:44] <marcustomlinson> very nice!
[16:44] <kenvandine> they were merged right after 3.9 was released
[16:45] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: mind reviewing https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/200
[16:45] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 200 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "Performance improvements backported from snapcraft extension" [Open]
[16:45] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: sure will do
[16:45] <kenvandine> hellsworth: github doesn't seem slow to me
[16:45] <hellsworth> nice changes to desktop helpers kenvandine!
[16:45] <hellsworth> i wouldn't have thought that a simple check before mkdir -p would make that much difference
[16:45] <kenvandine> they were really from galagash :)
[16:46] <kenvandine> yeah, seriously!
[16:46] <kenvandine> turns out mkdir is expensive
[16:46] <hellsworth> i guess so
[16:47] <hellsworth> yeah humm only github.com/snapcore/snapcraft is slow
[16:47] <hellsworth> must be the friday 13th voodoo :)
[16:54] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: just one small comment. sorry ocd
[16:55] <Saviq> marcustomlinson: they're actually <TAB> I think ;)
[16:58] <marcustomlinson> hmm
[17:00] <marcustomlinson> I'm am really confused. github diff shows the lines indented differently but pulling the branch looks fine locally. all spaces, no tabs either
[17:04] <marcustomlinson> github is super slow
[17:05] <marcustomlinson> and now I can't comment anymore. anyways looks good kenvandine, approved
[17:09] <hellsworth> yeah i'm having troubles commenting too
[17:09] <hellsworth> rebooted and didn't help
[17:10] <marcustomlinson> definitely screwy
[17:13] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: did you just say you prefer 3 space indentation?
[17:13]  * kenvandine is confused...
[17:13] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: no the spacing is fine, github is doing something odd there
[17:14] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: but I'm actually confused about this PR now that I think more about it
[17:14] <kenvandine> oh... looks fine to me
[17:14] <marcustomlinson> how are we getting gains from ensure_dir_exists
[17:14] <marcustomlinson> nothing should exist at all on first run
[17:14] <marcustomlinson> so mkdir should be called for every one right?
[17:14] <kenvandine> no gains on first run from that specific change
[17:14] <kenvandine> just the icon cache fix
[17:15] <kenvandine> which is pretty significant on first run
[17:15] <marcustomlinson> ok ok I get it
[17:15] <marcustomlinson> big gain on just that wow
[17:15] <kenvandine> the mkdir fix helps on the second run
[17:15] <marcustomlinson> indeed
[17:17] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: so you don't see this indent discrepancy: https://imgur.com/a/IZdPUxc
[17:18] <marcustomlinson> line 396 is good, then the next 4 lines are one space too short
[17:18] <marcustomlinson> but not in the actual file if I download it
[17:18] <marcustomlinson> anyway, ignore the comment
[17:19] <kenvandine> wow... that is weird
[17:19] <kenvandine> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/68R3Zprg/Screenshot%20from%202019-12-13%2012-19-33.png
[17:20] <kenvandine> why would that render differently
[17:20] <marcustomlinson> just the sort of thing that happens on a friday
[17:20] <kenvandine> friday the 13th :)
[17:21] <marcustomlinson> /o\
[17:22] <marcustomlinson> well the election results certainly feel cursed
[17:22] <hellsworth> but maybe scotland will be safe. maybe.
[17:23] <marcustomlinson> aye
[18:01] <Laney> happy weekend all
[18:01] <hellsworth> you too Laney!
[18:01] <marcustomlinson> cheers Laney
[18:02] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: for completeness, added a note to my post about why chromium and irccloud-desktop showed slower desktop-launch times
[18:03] <marcustomlinson> and with that I'm out, have a good weekend all
[18:04] <marcustomlinson> oh one last thing
[18:05] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: you may want to rebuild the chromium snap as soon as kenvandine get's his PR merged into desktop-helpers :)
[18:07] <marcustomlinson> should give the snap about half a second faster cold run (https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/200)
[18:07] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 200 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "Performance improvements backported from snapcraft extension" [Open]
[18:10] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: by the way, I don't have write access to snapcraft-desktop-helpers, so I can't merge your PR myself
[18:11] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: i can fix that
[18:11] <kenvandine> but i'
[18:12] <kenvandine> but i'll merge this, just want to build another snap with it for testing
[18:12] <marcustomlinson> cool
[18:12] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: how about chromium ;)
[18:13] <kenvandine> i was thinking something that builds a little faster
[18:13] <marcustomlinson> :D
[18:13] <marcustomlinson> alright, I'm really out now, byyyye
[18:13] <hellsworth> cheers!
[18:14] <hellsworth> hey kenvandine what are your thoughts on https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2794/files/1a00748ba0b3c6362582c4170df62244940f7470#r357421762
[18:14] <gitbot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 2794 in snapcraft "Add gnome 3 34 extension" [Open]
[18:14] <hellsworth> idk the thought process behind having dicts with one item
[18:25] <kenvandine> multiple bases
[18:25] <kenvandine> we'll have a core20
[18:31] <hellsworth> i know there will be a core20 base but how will this affect the extension?
[18:32] <oSoMoN> marcustomlinson, kenvandine: I'll definitely rebuild the chromium snap with the new desktop helpers
[18:32] <hellsworth> maybe we'll just have to cross that bridge when we come to it
[18:32] <oSoMoN> thanks for working on this!
[18:33] <oSoMoN> not right now though, I'm baby-sitting full time
[18:33] <oSoMoN> have a great week-end everyone!
[18:33] <hellsworth> you too oSoMoN !
[18:34] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: merged
[18:40] <hellsworth> doesn't it feel good to merge something on a friday :)
[19:35] <hellsworth> kenvandine: i got recipes to build with the gnome-3-34 extension!
[19:40] <kenvandine> hellsworth: woot
[19:41] <hellsworth> yep. making cleanups and a coupel changes then will tuck it away for storage until the gnome-3-34 extension is merged
[19:41] <hellsworth> yay!
[19:53] <gQuigs> I now have the same but opposite problem on two different machines...
[19:54] <gQuigs> on my media system, it can never remember to use HDMI audio, and I have to enable it every time
[19:55] <gQuigs> on my desktop, if my new HDMI monitor goes to sleep, my sound settings like switching to it...  also for whatever reason, now when system sounds are played (I have them muted) - it silences my music player too....
[19:59] <gQuigs> on desktop; just opening "Sound" was doing it sometimes.. and then I just noticed  - it might be scrolling up and a selection issue..    now of course I can't reproduce :/
[20:00] <hellsworth> gQuigs: perhaps you're hitting this issue on your media system: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1847570
[20:00] <hellsworth> looks like there's a fix coming up in 20.04
[20:01] <gQuigs> hellsworth: awesome! thanks.. I'm going to get right on testing that
[20:01] <hellsworth> sorry i meant desktop. the one where the hdmi audio is auto switching
[20:03] <gQuigs> hellsworth: honestly, that might fix both
[20:03] <hellsworth> worth a try
[20:03] <gQuigs> and it's much easier for me to upgrade my media box to 20.04, cause that's what it's already running...
[20:05] <hellsworth> a quick glance through the pulseaudio issues didn't have anything else that sticks out :
[20:05] <hellsworth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio?field.searchtext=hdmi&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has
[20:05] <hellsworth> _patch=&field.has_no_package=
[20:05] <hellsworth> that's a ridiculous link
[20:06] <hellsworth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio and search for hdmi
[20:06] <hellsworth> if that bug 1847570 doesn't fix your issue, consider opening a new pulseaudio bug in launchpad
[21:24] <gQuigs> thanks, oh well.. it didn't work.. (for media center)  although I did find snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC0D0: HDMI ATI/AMD: no speaker allocation for ELD.  I think I just have to figure out how to tell it, that it is a TV...
[21:24] <gQuigs> (that has it's own speakers..)
[21:32]  * gQuigs found a bug to read through - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1371919