 things are not going well in ci.
 @HMollerCl [things are not going well in ci.], Oh?
 there is a lot of unsucesfull builds
 So one of the packages with a lot of reverse dependencies failed. No biggie
 if you say so
 I noticed but am a bit busy right now.
 I think we should push for a new lxqt release for 20.04
 +1
 are there any more "waitworthy" additions in the pipeline or should we start pushing from now?
 for LXQt stuff?
 (I don't know if that work exists,my german roots make me want to stick words together)
 @kc2bez [for LXQt stuff?], yes
 @HMollerCl [are there any more "waitworthy" additions in the pipeline or should we start pus …], ("worthy of waiting for" but the point came across fine, it's very German of you to say it that way 😆)
 jejeje, doy you know if there are some worthy of waiting for additions for LXQt @tsimonq2 ?
 I'm not sure offhand
 on another issue does my response for update-notifier went trough? For that person who was complaining.
 I saw your reply, I don't remember seeing anything come back.
 @kc2bez [I saw your reply, I don't remember seeing anything come back.], ok, good, sinc eI didn't saw my reply I was concerned.
 you think we shoudl leave the sleep for the notifier to 24 hour? now is only 1 hour if one dismisses it.
 and it runs at the start of the session also
 (then it sleeps=
 )
[02:15] <kc2bez> 24 hours makes sense to me. That should be frequent enough. 
[02:28] <wxl> so https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/ is down, there's been no commits since june to the project https://github.com/mzanetti/ubuntu-pi-flavor-makers and we've got new ubuntu images that include support for 4's https://ubuntu.com/blog/updated-images-of-ubuntu-for-the-raspberry-pi-2-3-and-4 … can someone remind me why we don't just have people install the server images w/ lubuntu-desktop?
[02:29] <kc2bez> I think that is honestly a good solution. 
[02:29] <kc2bez> I had success with it. 
[02:30] <wxl> right now we only offer a magnet link
[02:30] <wxl> which is … strange
[02:31] <wxl> oh gawd there's an icon for magnet link for eoan that's https
[02:31] <wxl> did i ever tell anyone i hate websites? and wordpress? sigh.
[02:31] <kc2bez> WordPress isn't fun
[02:32] <wxl> btw i noticed compton was dropped from the ubuntu pi flavor maker images based on being unreliable https://github.com/mzanetti/ubuntu-pi-flavor-makers/commit/02ed41e09f4ed51201fc4c4c97e393b727192aa1
[02:33] <wxl> hah
[02:33] <kc2bez> Compton from the desktop install seems to work. 
[02:33] <wxl> the main ubuntu pi download page actually SUGGESTS installing lubuntu-desktop. it's included as a "popular" choice for a desktop! https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[02:34] <kc2bez> nice
[02:34] <wxl> we're 2/3 behind xubuntu but ahead of kubuntu
[02:36] <kc2bez> if you follow those instructions does sddm get installed?
[02:36] <wxl> only one way to find out
[02:36] <wxl> if not we need to fix that
 I don't have a pi
[02:37] <wxl> so reading at https://planet.mate-desktop.org/ i see they stopped shipping compiz and compton after major changes to the marco window manager… maybe time to drop openbox?</heresy>
[02:38] <wxl> sddm is a direct depend of lubuntu-desktop so i can't see why it WOULDN'T get installed.
[02:38] <lynorian> didn't marco have in built compositing for a while?
[02:38] <kc2bez> when I installed Lubuntu on my pi I did a `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop^ sddm`
[02:39] <kc2bez> so it did a task sel
[02:39] <wxl> hm i guess we should play with that
[02:39] <kc2bez> I think you are right lynorian Marco does compositing. 
[02:40] <wxl> that would explain the claim of not having screen tearing with it
 I think marco has had that for a while
 I will try to find some time to run through another install on my pi.
[03:10] <guiverc> i have a pi 2b+ (I think it is); i can test on that if helpful (I've not been watching conversation sorry)
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[19:26] <wxl> here's the proof we need to ship kvantum… let's make this happen!!! i think worrying about overhead is silly, really. people don't HAVE to use it, just like compton or libreoffice https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lxqt-apps-do-not-respect-chosen-theme/612/6?u=wxl
 please don't ship that buggy #$&£!
 @RikMills [please don't ship that buggy #$&£!], Oh?
 KDE devs are not fans. They get bugs on it, and its not their problem. One of them was joking (or not) the other day that they would like to blacklist it from working in a KDE environment.
 What kind of issues come up?
 At lot to do with transparency and compositing I think? As it has that as a feature. I am not 100% sure, as we don't have it, I just shrug and move on when I see it mentioned.
 I don't mean to discard your concerns but unless there's a clear reason not to ship it, we might as well
 I am totally willing to listen to points for it either way though
 If anyone reports issues with it in KDE, I will mark that won'tfox
 Well, maybe nto won'tfix, but I won't make any effort
 Okay
 Ha. Looks like kvantum are currently saying KDE need to fix kwin, and KDE say kvantum need to fix their theme. Stalemate
 what about qt5ct? is another option to kvantum. I know @N0um3n0 has been using it.
 @HMollerCl [what about qt5ct? is another option to kvantum. I know @N0um3n0 has been using i …], true, I like it better than kvantum
 kvantum works best if you don't stray too far from the built in themes. There are a lot of knobs and levers revealed and it can be confusing for folks.
 That said, it can make things look very nice if well applied.
 I need to try qt5ct and give a comparison.
[23:11] <wxl> well i'm not married to kvantum. i like it and it clearly fixes a problem we have. however, i think the larger problem is mentioned by the user in that post: that we don't have a good *unified* way to deal with theming. i'm not sure we have a good solution for that. but we should add, as much as possible, tools to make it easier at least.
 I agree. I am not opposed to including it. I think we need to provide some instruction along with it (like we do with everything, thanks @lynorian ). We may have fewer issues with it because we don't have kwin.
[23:24] <wxl> i guess i'll make a task
[23:26] <wxl> speaking of instruction, i was thinking it would be good to have a project which seeks to mirror the manual in video
 was that a hint ;)
[23:27] <wxl> was that you volunteering for the job? XD
 XD
 I am willing to help. It would be great to have some others work on it too.
[23:29] <wxl> agreed
 @N0um3n0 [true, I like it better than kvantum], I haven't been able to set it up
 @HMollerCl [I haven't been able to set it up], qt5ct?  … https://www.pcsuggest.com/lxqt-dark-style/
 @N0um3n0 [qt5ct?  … https://www.pcsuggest.com/lxqt-dark-style/], good that worked, I was changing the env variables in .profile and it didn't worked.
 quick view, qt5ct handles icons, kvantum does not. But apparently panel icons are handled different than the way lxqt does.