[00:33] <Roey> hello
[00:33] <Roey> is the December update for KDE Applications in the latest Kubuntu release?
[00:33] <Roey> altendky: o/
[00:34] <Roey> valorie, Mamarok, CoJaBo & grumble: o/ too
[00:44] <valorie> by latest release, do you mean next release?
[00:45] <valorie> Roey: ^^^
[00:45] <valorie> and hi to you too
[00:45] <valorie> if they are just bugfixes or so, regular updates will catch them for 19.10
[00:46] <valorie> some can be backported
[00:46] <valorie> few to none make it back to the LTS
[00:48] <valorie> so I guess my answer is: depends on what you mean, and what you want
[00:48] <valorie> :-)
[00:50] <Roey> hrm
[00:50] <Roey> I'm on Kubuntu 19.10
[00:51] <Roey> https://dot.kde.org/2019/12/12/apps-update-december <-- when does this land for my release?
[00:51] <Roey> valorie: :)
[00:51] <Roey> one thing I am looking forward is KDE Connect's management of SMS messages
[00:51] <Roey> which sounds like it will be fantastic
[00:55] <valorie> as they get built, tested and uploaded
[00:55] <valorie> we do work with the neon team too
[00:55] <valorie> first frameworks, then plasma and finally apps
[00:56] <valorie> so I guess the answer is "when they are done"
[00:56] <valorie> lol
[00:56] <valorie> most of the work now is on preparing the next release, which is an LTS
[01:05] <Roey> ok
[01:05] <Roey> oh I was just wondering if it was out already
[01:05] <Roey> that's all
[01:05] <Roey> :)
[01:05] <Roey> thank you for all the work you do :) :) <3
[01:06] <valorie> I didn't notice it yet, but then I have updates pending I've not done yet
[01:52] <Evropi> is Amarok dead?
[01:52] <Evropi> looks like it based on the update...
[03:01] <valorie> not dead, but not yet alive again
[03:57] <frackers> Got a question on a new Kubuntu 19.10 install - function keys being grabbed (can't use them in Midnight Commander for example). Also the mouse cursor in a Konsole terminal is 5x bigger than usual!
[05:52] <IrcsomeBot1> onenergetic was added by: onenergetic
 Hello, need help, need loads in my exe!
[07:01] <tomreyn> onenergetic: .exe is an executable file format for windows, not linux, but you can use "wine" (within limits) if you have to:
[07:01] <tomreyn> !wine
[09:18] <gregor3000> Hello i need help for a build for light gaming/video editing. i plan to pack it with 16Gb ram and use some new components form the old machine. but i cant' decide on the GPU. options i came down with Ryzen 5 2600 + nvidia 1050 ti, nvidia 1650 or any other AMD card; or Radeon vega 11 (on ryzen 2400G). from what i read, AMD cards (550, 560, 570) need more power and their performance is still weaker than nvidia. i would liek to keep the
[09:18] <gregor3000> wattage down as well as price. for some reason their price is the same here as nvidias or higher. OS will be Kubuntu (preferably LTS). current monitor is old with VGA cable and max resolution 1680x1050. might change it within next 2 years. depending on financial situation.
[09:18] <gregor3000> importantly  - easy to install and use (plug and play vs plug and pray and fix and...) :-)
[10:45] <viewer|48> I have never brought or used a graphics card before. I have been looking on the web but I just get more confused. Where is a good place to go to see a list of what make and model of cards that people actually use work well with linux / kubuntu? I don't care if the drivers are open source or not.
[10:49] <Deknos> is there an extension for apt to pin certain packages (or lists/sets of packages) to be valid only for certain Keys and/or Origins? or can that be already done with apt_preferences/pinning?
[10:52] <diogenes_> viewer|48, ask in nouveau.
[10:52] <diogenes_> type: /j #nouveau
[10:52] <viewer|48> what is nouveau?
[10:53] <diogenes_> it's thes oss driver for nvidia.
[11:00] <Deknos> ah, origin can be done with apt pinning
[11:01] <Deknos> but not pinned to the pgp key
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:33] <IrcsomeBot1> darylimjz was added by: darylimjz
 Hello
 is this group active? or should I use the forums/IRC instead
 oh lol this seems to be linked to the IRC channel
[13:37] <viewer|14> I have a question, does the latest version of Kubuntu (19.10) automatically have flatpak/snap support/integration?
[13:38] <viewer|14> ok i guess this place isn't very active
[14:26] <tomreyn> darylimjz: hi there. it's best to just ask your question.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> hey tomreyn
[14:28] <tomreyn> hello BluesKaj
[14:31] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, what's new?
[14:33] <tomreyn> nothing kubuntu related on my end
[14:39] <BluesKaj> we get very few kubuntu questions here nowadays. I suppose it's stabilty is probly the reason
[15:17] <viewer|31> ok is anyone here
[15:17] <viewer|31> i am seriously confused and need some help here
[15:17] <viewer|31> My desktop environment suddenly changed from KDE to Cinnamon after restarting, i dont know what I did
[15:19] <diogenes_> viewer|31, logout and pick KDE.
[15:20] <viewer|31> huh, I didnt even have the option when I logged in... strange... okay I'll try that
[15:25] <viewer|92> thanks to whoever that was who helped me with the desktop environment changing, it worked. but I'm still super confused about how these things work lol and how it happened
[15:26] <viewer|92> didn't even know I could switch DEs that way, and that cinnamon was even 'installed'
[15:27] <viewer|92> is there any way to set KDE as the default?
[15:29] <diogenes_> viewer|92, it's default now and most likely you have installed a package that has cinnamon as dependency and there you have it.
 well shit
[15:33] <BluesKaj> darylimjz?
[15:38] <viewer|92> yeah sorry im darylimjz
[15:39] <darylimjz> I have another question, why does this KDE wallet kleopatra thingy keeps asking me to enter my openpgp password
[15:46] <BluesKaj> darylimjz, dunno I avoid kwallet and I don't use opengpg so I have no clue. Mayne diogenes_ might have an answer?
[15:47] <diogenes_> BluesKaj, lst time i used kwallet was with kde4.
[15:48] <darylimjz> its ok, i got it
[15:48] <darylimjz> its under Account Details in System Settings, just gotta uncheck the KDE Wallet thing
[15:48] <BluesKaj> diogenes_, I've always disabled it since to me it was nothing but a PITA
[15:49] <BluesKaj> unless he wants to use kwallet
[15:56] <darylimjz> okay when i rebooted the DE reset to cinnamon again
[15:56] <darylimjz> any idea how to set KDE Plasma as default? or identify which package is causing the cinnamon dependency?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ]look in your packge manager, type cinnamon and see what's installed, if you see cinnamon DE, uninstall it
[16:06] <BluesKaj> darylimjz,^
[16:26] <Roey> hi.  Why is Elisa not done scanning my music collection? It's been this way for hours and hours now.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Roey, dunno I just keep my music in a separate folder on my outboard drive. i don't use media player playlists, always found them unreliable.
[16:35] <Roey> BluesKaj: ok
 @blueskaj lol I did that, and then my system went completely unbootable lmao
 Reinstalling Kubuntu now haha
[16:50] <BluesKaj> darylimjz, i meant just the desktop, not everything cinnamon
 Ahh... Shit haha I'm really new to this, not sure what you meant. It's fine, no data loss, and I only just installed Kubuntu yesterday. Fresh install probably for the best anyway, and now I know what to look out for (avoid cinnamon stuff)
 Kubuntu has otherwise been awesome, not sure why the community feels so dead
[17:07] <Mrokii> Hello. I noticed that with 19.10 my nvidia-driver isn't activated anymore. When I try to activate the 440-driver, the system always reverts back to the nouveau-driver. Is this a known problem?
 I've tried many other distros and Kubuntu has been the best so far
[17:07] <kingrhodes> there are still many people here, it seems
[17:09] <BluesKaj> darylimjz, i was spec'ing earlier that the reason for so few questions nowadays is Kubuntu's stability and reliability
 I've tried other distros like Fedora, POP OS, their communities seem a lot larger and responsive. OTOH it's slightly harder to find resources regarding Kubuntu specific issues online
 Right, I would agree with that
[17:10] <BluesKaj> well, that's why we're here
 It's just that I was trying to customise and theme my desktop too much that I probably installed way too many unnecessary packages that destroyed it all
 Can I ask tho, what exactly are "KDE" and "Plasma" and are they separate things?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> you'll find lots of themes at https://store.kde.org/browse/cat/104/
 I'm in the Discover app center and I under "Plasma Add-ons" I see a bunch of themes that mention "for cinnamon desktops" so what's the big deal, and why are they there (I think some of those themes were what caused my problems)
 If they weren't compatible with KDE Plasma, why are they even there
[17:14] <BluesKaj> darylimjz, kde morphed into plasma few yrs back, but it's still refrred to as kde/plasma
[17:16] <BluesKaj> cinnamon desktops..read about desktop environments, cinnamon is one . kde/plasma ia another as is gnome
[17:18] <BluesKaj> darylimjz, they're separate environments or desktops , not themes, ...themes are colours, icons etc that exist within a desktop environment
[17:51] <Mrokii> Hello. Any ideas for why no nvidia-drivers seems to get activated on Kubuntu 19.10? Despte me trying to activate one, it always switches back to Nouveau.
[18:01] <Mrokii> Seems I solved my problems, with help from #ubuntu. I needed to reboot to activate the driver. It may be useful if one would get notified about the need for a reboot, imho.
[21:36] <Linzeestomp> Hey all!
[21:38] <Linzeestomp> Am I even in the channel ? o_0
[21:38] <Linzeestomp> Its too quiet for this many people
 people are logged in but probably away from their PC.
[21:50] <krytarik> And there is a saying about support channels..
[21:50] <Linzeestomp> Ah, ok. Well, when anyone get's back if I could get some assistance with figuring out how to install kubuntu while using an nvidia card (GTX series) I'd greatly appreciate it. When I try to boot from the usb stick using non safe graphics mode it hangs at the kubuntu loading screen. Boots totally fine with safe graphics mode though.
[21:53] <krytarik> So just install in safe graphics mode and then see and try to install any proprietary graphics drivers.
[21:57] <Linzeestomp> ya, but once I install it -- will it boot into safe graphics mode or am I gonna be looking at a black screen??
[21:59] <Linzeestomp> I can handle booting temporarily into safe graphics mode if there is a way for me to install the nvidia drivers so I can game. I just dont wanna not have no video on boot T_T
[22:29] <Linzeestomp> o/ back :P
[22:29] <valorie> Linzeestomp: did you have success?
[22:30] <valorie> I have nvidia and haven't had problems with it for.... some years
[22:30] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.17.4 on Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) powered by Linux 5.3.0-24-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 3400-3407/3800 MHz, RAM: 11860/32066 MB, Storage: 324/1144 GB, 266 procs, 14.14h up
[22:30] <valorie> I don't game tho
[22:30] <valorie> oh, that doesn't give graphics
[22:30] <Linzeestomp> No I do not -- not yet
[22:31] <valorie> I have nvidia though
[22:31] <Linzeestomp> back in a live session
[22:31] <valorie> for 19.10 there is an option to install nvidia drivers right from the ISO
[22:31] <Linzeestomp> gotta configure drive for kubuntu install -- keep getting a ubi-partman failed with exit code 141
[22:31] <Linzeestomp> is it the third party install option?
[22:32] <Linzeestomp> at beginning of installation package?
[22:32] <valorie> I assume so
[22:32] <valorie> I upgraded for the past few series
[22:32] <Linzeestomp> Ya, I havent gotten past that yet. the ubi-partman error is keeping me from moving on
[22:32] <valorie> dunno what ubi partman is
[22:33] <Linzeestomp> Researching how to format drive i wanna install to with kde partition manager
[22:33] <valorie> I just use the kde tool in advance of installing
[22:33] <valorie> right, that's what I use
[22:33] <valorie> usually with the help of someone who knows more than me about partitioning
[22:33] <Linzeestomp> apparently its related to a driver/partition already having an OS installed or wrong file format. Would figure it would let me manage the partition from the installer but... apparently support forums and tickets indicate users are pre-formatting their drivers and having success
[22:34] <Linzeestomp> do u know what flags I need to use?
[22:34] <valorie> there is limited space on the ISOs, so yes, doing it with a full-featured tool is best
[22:34] <valorie> I don't
[22:35] <valorie> I have a tricky setup with multiple drives
[22:35] <Linzeestomp> I have a windows recovery partition on this device...but it looks like I need to completely wipe it...
[22:35] <valorie> so my son set that up for me and I don't mess with it
[22:35] <Linzeestomp> ah
[22:35] <valorie> and he's not here in the channel although I've been trying to talk him into IRC again
[22:36] <valorie> kids these days
[22:36] <Linzeestomp> hes prob more into discord huh
[22:37] <Linzeestomp> I swear that thing is the modern IRC with a highend GUI. I've always been partial to IRC -- only reason I use discord anymore is because a lot of people use it for comms
[22:37] <Linzeestomp> HEY! I just figured out alt + tab works like it does on windows yay
[22:38] <valorie> :-)
[22:38] <valorie> I <3 konversation
[22:38] <valorie> unsure what he uses
[22:38] <valorie> beyond Signal
[22:39] <Linzeestomp> Ok...shreded the partition gonna try install again
[22:40] <Linzeestomp> nope.... same error
[22:40] <Linzeestomp> oh wait
[22:40] <Linzeestomp> I didnt actually apply those commands xD
[22:41] <Linzeestomp> I thought that went awfully fast -- was thinking "wow, that was a really fast format"
[22:41] <valorie> ha
[22:43] <Linzeestomp> I really hope this works out -- I've used ubuntu before in the past but always went back to windows because of literally a handful of programs I couldn't get / run on ubuntu. That was 5+ years ago though and from what I've researched gaming on linux is on a whole new other level thanks to the open source community and even valve
[22:43] <valorie> yep
[22:44] <Linzeestomp> I've ran into some people who say dont even bother with wine, get virtualbox and install windows on that
[22:44] <valorie> it's no big whoop to just install and run Win in a VM now
[22:44] <Linzeestomp> LOL
[22:44] <valorie> I've done it for a few genealogy programs that are horrible in wine and won't run in linux
[22:45] <Linzeestomp> Ya, I'll prob install a VM with windows for office and ONLY use  it for that. I'm gonna download wine + lutris for the rest
[22:45] <Linzeestomp> err the rest being games
[22:46] <valorie> ugh office
[22:46] <valorie> not that libre office is great
[22:46] <valorie> but better than win office IMO
[22:46] <valorie> I hope the Calligra team reforms at some point
[22:47] <Linzeestomp> Oh wait, maybe I won't install win on a VM -- I have access to office 365 thanks to work and was gonna get Ice SSB to run it like a native app!
[22:48] <Linzeestomp> wait, no i gotta install win on a VM... i use vba on excel sheets...and i cant do vba on excel online
[22:48] <Linzeestomp> do you know if I can run vba on libre?
[22:48] <Linzeestomp> If I open an excel file in libre, will my vba macros and userforms still work?
[22:49] <Linzeestomp> oh wait i can test that myself now! :O
[22:49] <valorie> I have no clue to what you refer
[22:49] <valorie> :-)
[22:54] <Linzeestomp> Programming in excecl :P
[22:54] <Linzeestomp> VBA stands for visual basic actionscript
[22:54] <Linzeestomp> its what Im using to make the excel spreadsheets less intimidating to some of my co workers
[22:54] <valorie> completely not my thing
[22:54] <Linzeestomp> xD
[22:54] <valorie> spreadsheets are the enemy
[22:55] <valorie> and yet sometimes I must use them
[22:55] <Linzeestomp> we all come to that sometimes :P
[22:55] <Linzeestomp> some of us never left when we did xD
[23:01] <valorie> google sheets is usually good enough
[23:29] <Linzeestomp> anyone know terminal commands to format device? fdisk doesnt seem to be helping me much atm
[23:52] <Linzeestomp> Yup -- no way around it. Can't keep my windows recovery partition and install kubuntu. Oh well, fuck it im committed lol
[23:59] <valorie> !language
[23:59] <valorie> Linzeestomp: ^^ plz