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jibelmorning all04:15
dufluHi jibel05:41
dufluIf you were 15 minutes earlier it would have also been morning in Australia05:42
jibelHey duflu, I could have been earlier actually, i'm up since 4:30. far too early :(05:46
jibelgood thing is that i'll end my day early afternoon05:47
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:31
dufluHi oSoMoN06:32
oSoMoNhey duflu06:33
jibelbonjour oSoMoN06:39
oSoMoNsalut jibel06:59
seb128gooood morning desktopers!08:20
jibelsalut seb128, ça va?08:26
seb128lut jibel, ouais, et toi ?08:26
jibelseb128, démarré beaucoup trop tôt à mon goût ce matin mais ça va08:28
seb128à quelle heure ?08:28
dufluMorning seb12808:29
seb128hey duflu, how are you today?08:29
dufluAlso see ya.. :)08:29
dufluGood, you?08:29
seb128I'm good08:30
seb128duflu, have fun!08:30
dufluWill try ;)08:30
jibelseb128, réveillé à 4:30, démarrage à 5:00 pour m'occuper l'esprit08:30
seb128jibel, outch, en effet c'est tôt :-(08:30
jibelseb128, at least autopilot-gtk is fixed08:31
jibelseb128, I'll need a sponsor08:31
seb128le positif c'est que t'as déjà fait une demie journée de travail :)08:31
seb128jibel, I can sponsor08:31
jibeleven the tests are passing. I'm wondering how the ever passed during the build. dbus was not started08:32
seb128jamesh, if you didn't IRC block me yet for nagging you every week about that, weekly summary reminder :-)08:32
seb128hum, that looks weird indeed08:33
jibelwell, latest release was 15.10 so maybe the behaviour was different by then08:35
jibelstable quality software requires no maintenance ;)08:36
marcustomlinsonhey seb128 and jibel08:53
seb128hey marcustomlinson, how is it going?08:53
marcustomlinsonseb128: good thanks. you?08:54
seb128I'm good thx08:54
oSoMoNsalut seb128 , good morning marcustomlinson09:01
marcustomlinsonhey oSoMoN09:01
seb128lut oSoMoN, how are you? how was the talk yesterday?09:02
oSoMoNseb128, I'm tired but good. The talk went well, there weren't many attendees (a dozen), but they asked lots of questions afterwards, and a couple of them expressed interest in snapping their apps09:03
oSoMoNand then we had beers :)09:03
seb128oSoMoN, nice!09:04
marcustomlinsonoSoMoN: nice :) do you have slides to share?09:10
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lan3yinteresting09:15
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WimpressMorning o/11:37
marcustomlinsonhey Wimpress11:39
seb128k, looks like we can all go in holidays, doko DoSed the infra for the week probably...13:32
marcustomlinsonseb128: bye! have a happy christmas!13:37
marcustomlinsonXD13:38
seb128indeed, you too!13:38
seb128would be nice to have NMU support in launchpad13:39
seb128also would be nice to have people consider the impact on the archive/others before that kind of giant stack of uploads13:39
seb128anyway, let's not get into ranting mood today :-)13:41
WimpressHi desktoppers.14:29
marcustomlinsonhi14:29
oSoMoNhey Wimpress14:29
WimpressJust finishing up another meeting. Be with you in a few mins.14:29
kenvandinehey hey hey14:29
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hellsworthgood morning everyone14:30
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth14:31
hellsworthhi oSoMoN. hope your tuesday is going well :)14:32
seb128hey hellsworth, how are you?14:32
hellsworthi'm really tired but slowly waking up14:32
seb128coffee!14:33
hellsworthmost definitely14:33
Trevinhothe kid played the kid? :)14:33
WimpressRight, shall we start?14:33
seb128_o/14:33
seb128oh, a Trevinho!14:33
seb128Trevinho, bunjourno, long time not seen on IRC :-)14:34
* Trevinho is always hidden in his hole!14:34
marcustomlinsona wild Trevinho appears14:34
seb128I noticed14:34
Wimpress#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-12-1714:34
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Dec 17 14:34:27 2019 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.14:34
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seb128that's the effect of winter on you? ;-)14:34
WimpressRoll call:  didrocks (out), duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell14:34
seb128_o/14:34
marcustomlinson\o14:34
Trevinho_/14:34
kenvandinehey14:34
Laneysup14:35
oSoMoNo/14:35
hellsworth\o14:35
Wimpress#topic rls-bb-bugs14:35
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:35
WimpressThis one is still unassigned http://launchpad.net/bugs/185605414:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1856054 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio now depends on libsnapd-glib1 which recommends snapd" [High,Confirmed]14:36
marcustomlinsonwe're tracking this as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib/+bug/185619614:37
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1856196 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu Eoan) "Lower the snapd recommends to a suggests" [High,Fix committed]14:37
marcustomlinsonright?14:37
marcustomlinsonin any case feels like a -1 from me14:38
Laneythat bug should be won't fixed with a reference to the other one14:39
seb128right14:39
Laneywhen that is done it's just someone ranting about a library14:39
hellsworthshould the second bug be moved to a different release to get actually addressed?14:40
hellsworthwell fix committed effectively across teh board14:40
seb128it's already targetting the different series it needs14:40
hellsworthright14:40
hellsworththanks14:40
WimpressRight, so I shjall close #185605414:42
seb128wontfix it yeah14:43
WimpressDone.14:43
WimpressMove on to tracking bugs?14:43
seb128yes14:43
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:43
kenvandinebug 179447814:44
ubot5bug 1794478 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "Automatic ipv4 not assigned to bond interface is manual ipv6 is assigned to it" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179447814:44
WimpressThere's a few unassisnged for desktop.14:45
LaneyTill unassigned a bunch of bugs from himself14:45
hellsworththere are so many unassigned bugs in the unknown section..14:46
oSoMoNI just talked to slashd about that specific one, and he said his team is going to take care of it, as it's something a client cares about14:46
WimpressSHould we assign it to slahd then?14:47
kenvandinegreat14:47
oSoMoNI don't know, I'd let him do that, it's fine to leave it unassigned until then, no?14:47
oSoMoNI'll ping him to ask14:47
WimpressOK14:47
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/94285614:48
ubot5Ubuntu bug 942856 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "NetworkManager does not support AES-encrypted private keys for WPA 802.1x authentication" [Medium,In progress]14:48
seb128they are all in the same bucket of 'bionic n-m SRU needs someone to care about it if we want to see it happening'14:49
seb128I'm unsure we are going to resolve that today...14:49
Wimpressseb128 Laney kenvandine I think we need to review these in a separate call.14:50
seb128or we just rls-bb-notfixing those for now to reflect we don't have maintainer and can't take on those14:50
Laneyok14:50
seb128that wfm14:50
WimpressLet's just park the n-m unassigfned bugs for now.14:50
seb128+114:50
kenvandine+114:50
LaneyNext meeting we should deal with them either way if they are still there14:51
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/163798814:51
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1637988 in gvfs (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Enable the nfs backend" [Wishlist,Fix committed]14:51
LaneyDon't want them to be hanging around eternally14:51
seb128indeed14:51
WimpressAgreed.14:51
seb128Wimpress, we usually skop the fix commited ones14:51
seb128that gvfs is another tricky situation14:52
seb128and not new14:52
Laneylooks like fix committed is wrong there though, is it?14:52
seb128basically libnfs is in universe in bionic/cosmic and has been promoted since14:52
seb128Laney, yes, the SRU got deleted14:53
Laneynod14:53
seb128I don't have the energy to deal with that one atm though14:53
seb128but we should probably either wontfix or put back to triaged14:53
seb128basically security team would like to see a libnfs update if we want to retro-promote14:54
seb128but that comes with a soname change14:54
seb128there was some customer requests behind though14:54
seb128maybe another one to discuss in the same other meeting...14:54
Laneycan't be that important if it idled for 7 months14:54
* Laney is on team won't fix ;-)14:55
seb128right14:55
seb128well, maybe we lost a customer on the way or disapponted one :-(14:55
WimpressI am OK with won't fix for bionic.14:55
seb128Wimpress, go for it then14:55
seb128if we wontfix bionic we can wontfix cosmic as well for sure14:55
Laneylol cosmic14:56
seb128well in any case cosmic is wontfix at this point14:56
seb128:)14:56
Laney:D14:56
WimpressDone.14:57
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libssh/+bug/184751414:57
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1847514 in libssh (Ubuntu Bionic) "libssh-0.8 is detected as 0.7" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:57
WimpressWhy is libssh in the desktop-packages?14:58
Laneyremmina it looks like14:59
* Wimpress blames Trevinho ;-)14:59
WimpressI don't think this is rl critical for the desktop.15:00
seb128it looks like a real problem but no obvious solution and probably not rls material imho15:00
seb128I vote rls-bb-notfixing15:00
Wimpress+115:01
Laneyindeed15:01
hellsworthagreed15:01
WimpressDone15:01
Laneyyou need to delete the bionic line fwiw15:01
* Trevinho not sure is faulty for libssh being there.15:01
Laneyfor ones that already got nominated15:01
WimpressANd done.15:02
WimpressMove on to Disco?15:02
seb128+115:02
Wimpress#topic rls-dd-bugs15:03
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html15:03
WimpressLooks good.15:03
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html15:03
WimpressAn n-m bug there we will sort out another time.15:04
seb128+115:04
WimpressOther than that looks good.15:04
WimpressTime for Eoan?15:04
seb128yes15:05
Wimpress#topic rls-ee-bugs15:05
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html15:05
WimpressLooks good.15:05
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html15:06
WimpressI'll skip over the n-m unassigned bug15:07
Wimpresshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/184580115:07
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1845801 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Automatic login fails and then all subsequent logins fail. Killing gnome-session-binary fixes it, or just not using automatic login." [Undecided,Confirmed]15:07
seb128Laney, is that similar to your recent problems/debugging?15:08
seb128Wimpress, we should probably just assign the other lines to tseliot there15:08
Laneydoubt it15:09
Laneythat's the same bug we have been skipping for weeks15:09
seb128right, I'm assigning to tseliot now15:09
Laneycool15:09
WimpressI've assigned Alberto to gnome-session since he assigned himself to that for Eoan.15:09
WimpressBut, what about gnome-shell?15:10
seb128I did the same15:10
seb128one person does the investigation15:10
WimpressOK.15:10
seb128we can then reassign later if required15:10
Wimpresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/185640715:10
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1856407 in linux-restricted-modules (Ubuntu Eoan) "nvidia-435 is in eoan, linux-restricted-modules only builds against 430, ubiquity gives me the self-signed modules experience instead of using the Canonical-signed modules" [High,In progress]15:10
tseliotWimpress, seb128 what am I supposed to do with that, exactly? Disable the splash with NVIDIA?15:11
seb128tseliot, I don't know, I don't understand the issue enough to tell. But it seems to be something quite some user complain about so we need to dig at the bottom of it15:12
seb128Wimpress, unsure what is needed for ubuntu-drivers-common in that one but looks like Seth is on it15:13
seb128maybe assign to him with a comment saying to reassign back/talk to us if there is work needed from our side?15:13
WimpressOK15:13
tseliotI can't really reproduce the problem here15:14
tseliotand I think that blacklisting nvidia, and have it default to the text splash might be a little heavy handed15:15
seb128k, we need to have a look/discuss options15:17
seb128but probably not now, we still have some topics to cover and less than 15min to the next meeting for some of us15:17
Wimpress#topic rls-ff-bugs15:17
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Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html15:17
WimpressLooks good.15:18
Wimpresshttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html15:18
Wimpressn-m again. SKip that for now.15:18
WimpressOther than that, looks good.15:18
Wimpress#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages15:19
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seb128incoming actually should be empty, those are assigned, I'm untagging them15:19
Wimpresshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages15:19
WimpressNice work team! Excuses is looking in good shape for desktop.15:20
seb128\o/15:20
marcustomlinsonwow15:20
marcustomlinsonlooks good15:20
seb128one is a MIR waiting for security review, one is waiting for steve to do i386 restoring of binaries15:20
hellsworthhopefully we'll get the libmail-dkim-perl sorted out this week too15:20
seb128basically our only real item is the duplicity build failure15:20
seb128the 2 bottoms ones built now so they should go away15:21
WimpressShould we create a Trello card for duplicity?15:21
Laneysomeone needs to fix it, so ... probably15:21
Wimpressseb128: Please, can you create card for duplicity.15:22
WimpressANyone fancy it?15:22
seb128I can (if we don't have it yet)15:22
seb128I'm working on it15:22
hellsworthi'll take a look at duplicity15:22
seb128hellsworth, oh, if you want that would be welcome :)15:22
WimpressThanks hellsworth15:22
hellsworthwill you please create the card and add me to it?15:23
hellsworthor i can'15:23
hellsworththere will be a card and it will be looked at :)15:23
seb128hellsworth, https://bugs.launchpad.net/duplicity/+bug/1853809 was used for some of that but got closed15:23
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1853809 in Duplicity "Tests fail with python 3.8 due to deprecation warnings" [High,Fix released]15:23
WimpressGreat.15:23
hellsworthok thanks seb12815:23
hellsworthi'll holler if i get stuck15:23
seb128hellsworth, I will card it and add you15:23
hellsworthty15:23
seb128thanks to you!15:23
WimpressTime for AOB?15:23
seb128hellsworth, ah, we have one already, adding you to https://trello.com/c/BwzB6AHv/12-duplicity-focal-ftbfs15:24
Wimpress#topic AOB15:24
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WimpressI need coffee before the next call.15:24
WimpressNothing more from me.15:24
TrevinhoI might need some comments on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/3v1n0/libfprint-tod-example-driver15:25
seb128nothing from me either15:25
Trevinhoso feel free to check that15:25
Trevinho(and dependent lib)15:25
seb128Trevinho, k, what does "tod" mean?15:25
TrevinhoTOuch Driver... I didn't like just "td" xD15:26
seb128Wimpress, we should aim at making the meeting go a bit faster in the futur if we can, it used to fit in an half hour, more time for coffee :-)15:26
marcustomlinsonTrevinho: I think this fell out of your radar. Please could you comment: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12880315:26
ubot5bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 128803 in Calc "Copy / pasting cell in Calc sometimes pastes as an image" [Normal,New]15:26
Wimpressseb128: OK.15:26
WimpressAll done?15:27
seb128I think so15:27
Wimpress#endmeeting15:28
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Dec 17 15:28:03 2019 UTC.15:28
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-12-17-14.34.moin.txt15:28
marcustomlinsonthx15:28
seb128thanks team!15:28
WimpressThanks desktoppers15:28
Trevinhomarcustomlinson: yes, I've to get into that asap15:28
marcustomlinsonTrevinho: I'm just afraid that the LO guys are brushing it off thinking it's entirely a mutter issue15:28
marcustomlinsonand I don't know enough to explain that it isn't15:29
TrevinhoYeah, I've to check through the things again, but I will15:29
marcustomlinsonthanks Trevinho!15:29
jibelI'd need a sponsor for autopilot-gtk 1.6. Branch and debdiff attached to bug 185657415:50
ubot5bug 1856574 in python-testtools (Ubuntu) "removal of various autopilot packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185657415:50
seb128jibel, I uploaded now but the vcs was missing an archive upload, I merged that in and sent you the patch (I can't push to the git)16:00
jibelseb128, thanks16:16
seb128np! thank you for doing the actual work :)16:16
jibelseb128, ah that's fine, I re-fixed it16:17
Laneyjibel: in the new ubiquity enhanced design, do you know why encryption is under advanced features? (i know it's on the design like that, wondering if you know why it is)16:21
Laneys/enhanced/focal/ ;-)16:22
Laneyor mpt ^-16:23
mptLaney, it wasn’t my first choice, but it was something they could implement in time that showed the dependency between encryption and LVM16:28
LaneyIt's just that I'm a bit concerned about hiding full disk encryption like that16:29
mptLaney, hmm, is the “Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation…” checkbox shown in <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/preview#bookmark=id.wht5l3rbb5bm> no longer present?16:34
jibelwe can revisit that this cycle but it was very hard to go against the way partman expects things to happen when you go forward and backward between several disk setup steps.16:34
Laneympt: hmm, no, it looks like this currently: https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/focalubi.png16:37
jibelmpt, the design implemented is from page 12 to 16 of the spec16:37
jibelwith encryption in the advanced dialog16:38
mptjibel, sure, understood, I didn’t realise that meant getting rid of the non-LVM encryption16:39
jibelI don't remember we ever had non lvm encryption16:39
mptIt was added to the installer in Ubuntu 12.1016:41
mpthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto16:41
jibelhm, I'll have to reinstall 12.10 then. But before the change there was only lvm and lvm+encryption not encrpytion without lvm16:43
jibelI'll search when it disappeared and why16:43
mptI was under the impression that the reason you used the phrase “the new Ubuntu installation” so often in your initial UI was that you were copying the text of that checkbox16:44
LaneyI think it did require you to install on LVM, but it wasn't presented as a sub-item16:46
mptHmm, the help page doesn’t mention LVM … Maybe it did use LVM and I was oblivious16:50
hellsworthi need to pop down to the post office to mail all the things but i'll be back18:42
hellsworthi'll be afk for maybe an hour (depending on the line)18:42
marcustomlinsonalright I'm out. g'night all19:24
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