[04:15] <jibel> morning all
[05:41] <duflu> Hi jibel
[05:42] <duflu> If you were 15 minutes earlier it would have also been morning in Australia
[05:46] <jibel> Hey duflu, I could have been earlier actually, i'm up since 4:30. far too early :(
[05:47] <jibel> good thing is that i'll end my day early afternoon
[06:31] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:32] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:33] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:39] <jibel> bonjour oSoMoN
[06:59] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:20] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers!
[08:26] <jibel> salut seb128, ça va?
[08:26] <seb128> lut jibel, ouais, et toi ?
[08:28] <jibel> seb128, démarré beaucoup trop tôt à mon goût ce matin mais ça va
[08:28] <seb128> à quelle heure ?
[08:29] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:29] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[08:29] <duflu> Also see ya.. :)
[08:29] <duflu> Good, you?
[08:30] <seb128> I'm good
[08:30] <seb128> duflu, have fun!
[08:30] <duflu> Will try ;)
[08:30] <jibel> seb128, réveillé à 4:30, démarrage à 5:00 pour m'occuper l'esprit
[08:30] <seb128> jibel, outch, en effet c'est tôt :-(
[08:31] <jibel> seb128, at least autopilot-gtk is fixed
[08:31] <jibel> seb128, I'll need a sponsor
[08:31] <seb128> le positif c'est que t'as déjà fait une demie journée de travail :)
[08:31] <seb128> jibel, I can sponsor
[08:32] <jibel> even the tests are passing. I'm wondering how the ever passed during the build. dbus was not started
[08:32] <seb128> jamesh, if you didn't IRC block me yet for nagging you every week about that, weekly summary reminder :-)
[08:33] <seb128> hum, that looks weird indeed
[08:35] <jibel> well, latest release was 15.10 so maybe the behaviour was different by then
[08:36] <jibel> stable quality software requires no maintenance ;)
[08:53] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128 and jibel
[08:53] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how is it going?
[08:54] <marcustomlinson> seb128: good thanks. you?
[08:54] <seb128> I'm good thx
[09:01] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 , good morning marcustomlinson
[09:01] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN
[09:02] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, how are you? how was the talk yesterday?
[09:03] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm tired but good. The talk went well, there weren't many attendees (a dozen), but they asked lots of questions afterwards, and a couple of them expressed interest in snapping their apps
[09:03] <oSoMoN> and then we had beers :)
[09:04] <seb128> oSoMoN, nice!
[09:10] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: nice :) do you have slides to share?
[09:15] <lan3y> interesting
[11:37] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[11:39] <marcustomlinson> hey Wimpress
[13:32] <seb128> k, looks like we can all go in holidays, doko DoSed the infra for the week probably...
[13:37] <marcustomlinson> seb128: bye! have a happy christmas!
[13:38] <marcustomlinson> XD
[13:38] <seb128> indeed, you too!
[13:39] <seb128> would be nice to have NMU support in launchpad
[13:39] <seb128> also would be nice to have people consider the impact on the archive/others before that kind of giant stack of uploads
[13:41] <seb128> anyway, let's not get into ranting mood today :-)
[14:29] <Wimpress> Hi desktoppers.
[14:29] <marcustomlinson> hi
[14:29] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress
[14:29] <Wimpress> Just finishing up another meeting. Be with you in a few mins.
[14:29] <kenvandine> hey hey hey
[14:30] <hellsworth> good morning everyone
[14:31] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:32] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN. hope your tuesday is going well :)
[14:32] <seb128> hey hellsworth, how are you?
[14:32] <hellsworth> i'm really tired but slowly waking up
[14:33] <seb128> coffee!
[14:33] <hellsworth> most definitely
[14:33] <Trevinho> the kid played the kid? :)
[14:33] <Wimpress> Right, shall we start?
[14:33] <seb128> _o/
[14:33] <seb128> oh, a Trevinho!
[14:34] <seb128> Trevinho, bunjourno, long time not seen on IRC :-)
[14:34]  * Trevinho is always hidden in his hole!
[14:34] <marcustomlinson> a wild Trevinho appears
[14:34] <seb128> I noticed
[14:34] <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-12-17
[14:34] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 17 14:34:27 2019 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:34] <seb128> that's the effect of winter on you? ;-)
[14:34] <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks (out), duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell
[14:34] <seb128> _o/
[14:34] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:34] <Trevinho> _/
[14:34] <kenvandine> hey
[14:35] <Laney> sup
[14:35] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:35] <hellsworth> \o
[14:35] <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:35] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <Wimpress> This one is still unassigned http://launchpad.net/bugs/1856054
[14:37] <marcustomlinson> we're tracking this as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib/+bug/1856196
[14:37] <marcustomlinson> right?
[14:38] <marcustomlinson> in any case feels like a -1 from me
[14:39] <Laney> that bug should be won't fixed with a reference to the other one
[14:39] <seb128> right
[14:39] <Laney> when that is done it's just someone ranting about a library
[14:40] <hellsworth> should the second bug be moved to a different release to get actually addressed?
[14:40] <hellsworth> well fix committed effectively across teh board
[14:40] <seb128> it's already targetting the different series it needs
[14:40] <hellsworth> right
[14:40] <hellsworth> thanks
[14:42] <Wimpress> Right, so I shjall close #1856054
[14:43] <seb128> wontfix it yeah
[14:43] <Wimpress> Done.
[14:43] <Wimpress> Move on to tracking bugs?
[14:43] <seb128> yes
[14:43] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:44] <kenvandine> bug 1794478
[14:45] <Wimpress> There's a few unassisnged for desktop.
[14:45] <Laney> Till unassigned a bunch of bugs from himself
[14:46] <hellsworth> there are so many unassigned bugs in the unknown section..
[14:46] <oSoMoN> I just talked to slashd about that specific one, and he said his team is going to take care of it, as it's something a client cares about
[14:47] <Wimpress> SHould we assign it to slahd then?
[14:47] <kenvandine> great
[14:47] <oSoMoN> I don't know, I'd let him do that, it's fine to leave it unassigned until then, no?
[14:47] <oSoMoN> I'll ping him to ask
[14:47] <Wimpress> OK
[14:48] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/942856
[14:49] <seb128> they are all in the same bucket of 'bionic n-m SRU needs someone to care about it if we want to see it happening'
[14:49] <seb128> I'm unsure we are going to resolve that today...
[14:50] <Wimpress> seb128 Laney kenvandine I think we need to review these in a separate call.
[14:50] <seb128> or we just rls-bb-notfixing those for now to reflect we don't have maintainer and can't take on those
[14:50] <Laney> ok
[14:50] <seb128> that wfm
[14:50] <Wimpress> Let's just park the n-m unassigfned bugs for now.
[14:50] <seb128> +1
[14:50] <kenvandine> +1
[14:51] <Laney> Next meeting we should deal with them either way if they are still there
[14:51] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1637988
[14:51] <Laney> Don't want them to be hanging around eternally
[14:51] <seb128> indeed
[14:51] <Wimpress> Agreed.
[14:51] <seb128> Wimpress, we usually skop the fix commited ones
[14:52] <seb128> that gvfs is another tricky situation
[14:52] <seb128> and not new
[14:52] <Laney> looks like fix committed is wrong there though, is it?
[14:52] <seb128> basically libnfs is in universe in bionic/cosmic and has been promoted since
[14:53] <seb128> Laney, yes, the SRU got deleted
[14:53] <Laney> nod
[14:53] <seb128> I don't have the energy to deal with that one atm though
[14:53] <seb128> but we should probably either wontfix or put back to triaged
[14:54] <seb128> basically security team would like to see a libnfs update if we want to retro-promote
[14:54] <seb128> but that comes with a soname change
[14:54] <seb128> there was some customer requests behind though
[14:54] <seb128> maybe another one to discuss in the same other meeting...
[14:54] <Laney> can't be that important if it idled for 7 months
[14:55]  * Laney is on team won't fix ;-)
[14:55] <seb128> right
[14:55] <seb128> well, maybe we lost a customer on the way or disapponted one :-(
[14:55] <Wimpress> I am OK with won't fix for bionic.
[14:55] <seb128> Wimpress, go for it then
[14:55] <seb128> if we wontfix bionic we can wontfix cosmic as well for sure
[14:56] <Laney> lol cosmic
[14:56] <seb128> well in any case cosmic is wontfix at this point
[14:56] <seb128> :)
[14:56] <Laney> :D
[14:57] <Wimpress> Done.
[14:57] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libssh/+bug/1847514
[14:58] <Wimpress> Why is libssh in the desktop-packages?
[14:59] <Laney> remmina it looks like
[14:59]  * Wimpress blames Trevinho ;-)
[15:00] <Wimpress> I don't think this is rl critical for the desktop.
[15:00] <seb128> it looks like a real problem but no obvious solution and probably not rls material imho
[15:00] <seb128> I vote rls-bb-notfixing
[15:01] <Wimpress> +1
[15:01] <Laney> indeed
[15:01] <hellsworth> agreed
[15:01] <Wimpress> Done
[15:01] <Laney> you need to delete the bionic line fwiw
[15:01]  * Trevinho not sure is faulty for libssh being there.
[15:01] <Laney> for ones that already got nominated
[15:02] <Wimpress> ANd done.
[15:02] <Wimpress> Move on to Disco?
[15:02] <seb128> +1
[15:03] <Wimpress> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[15:03] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:03] <Wimpress> Looks good.
[15:03] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:04] <Wimpress> An n-m bug there we will sort out another time.
[15:04] <seb128> +1
[15:04] <Wimpress> Other than that looks good.
[15:04] <Wimpress> Time for Eoan?
[15:05] <seb128> yes
[15:05] <Wimpress> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[15:05] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:05] <Wimpress> Looks good.
[15:06] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:07] <Wimpress> I'll skip over the n-m unassigned bug
[15:07] <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1845801
[15:08] <seb128> Laney, is that similar to your recent problems/debugging?
[15:08] <seb128> Wimpress, we should probably just assign the other lines to tseliot there
[15:09] <Laney> doubt it
[15:09] <Laney> that's the same bug we have been skipping for weeks
[15:09] <seb128> right, I'm assigning to tseliot now
[15:09] <Laney> cool
[15:09] <Wimpress> I've assigned Alberto to gnome-session since he assigned himself to that for Eoan.
[15:10] <Wimpress> But, what about gnome-shell?
[15:10] <seb128> I did the same
[15:10] <seb128> one person does the investigation
[15:10] <Wimpress> OK.
[15:10] <seb128> we can then reassign later if required
[15:10] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/1856407
[15:11] <tseliot> Wimpress, seb128 what am I supposed to do with that, exactly? Disable the splash with NVIDIA?
[15:12] <seb128> tseliot, I don't know, I don't understand the issue enough to tell. But it seems to be something quite some user complain about so we need to dig at the bottom of it
[15:13] <seb128> Wimpress, unsure what is needed for ubuntu-drivers-common in that one but looks like Seth is on it
[15:13] <seb128> maybe assign to him with a comment saying to reassign back/talk to us if there is work needed from our side?
[15:13] <Wimpress> OK
[15:14] <tseliot> I can't really reproduce the problem here
[15:15] <tseliot> and I think that blacklisting nvidia, and have it default to the text splash might be a little heavy handed
[15:17] <seb128> k, we need to have a look/discuss options
[15:17] <seb128> but probably not now, we still have some topics to cover and less than 15min to the next meeting for some of us
[15:17] <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[15:17] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:18] <Wimpress> Looks good.
[15:18] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:18] <Wimpress> n-m again. SKip that for now.
[15:18] <Wimpress> Other than that, looks good.
[15:19] <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:19] <seb128> incoming actually should be empty, those are assigned, I'm untagging them
[15:19] <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:20] <Wimpress> Nice work team! Excuses is looking in good shape for desktop.
[15:20] <seb128> \o/
[15:20] <marcustomlinson> wow
[15:20] <marcustomlinson> looks good
[15:20] <seb128> one is a MIR waiting for security review, one is waiting for steve to do i386 restoring of binaries
[15:20] <hellsworth> hopefully we'll get the libmail-dkim-perl sorted out this week too
[15:20] <seb128> basically our only real item is the duplicity build failure
[15:21] <seb128> the 2 bottoms ones built now so they should go away
[15:21] <Wimpress> Should we create a Trello card for duplicity?
[15:21] <Laney> someone needs to fix it, so ... probably
[15:22] <Wimpress> seb128: Please, can you create card for duplicity.
[15:22] <Wimpress> ANyone fancy it?
[15:22] <seb128> I can (if we don't have it yet)
[15:22] <seb128> I'm working on it
[15:22] <hellsworth> i'll take a look at duplicity
[15:22] <seb128> hellsworth, oh, if you want that would be welcome :)
[15:22] <Wimpress> Thanks hellsworth
[15:23] <hellsworth> will you please create the card and add me to it?
[15:23] <hellsworth> or i can'
[15:23] <hellsworth> there will be a card and it will be looked at :)
[15:23] <seb128> hellsworth, https://bugs.launchpad.net/duplicity/+bug/1853809 was used for some of that but got closed
[15:23] <Wimpress> Great.
[15:23] <hellsworth> ok thanks seb128
[15:23] <hellsworth> i'll holler if i get stuck
[15:23] <seb128> hellsworth, I will card it and add you
[15:23] <hellsworth> ty
[15:23] <seb128> thanks to you!
[15:23] <Wimpress> Time for AOB?
[15:24] <seb128> hellsworth, ah, we have one already, adding you to https://trello.com/c/BwzB6AHv/12-duplicity-focal-ftbfs
[15:24] <Wimpress> #topic AOB
[15:24] <Wimpress> I need coffee before the next call.
[15:24] <Wimpress> Nothing more from me.
[15:25] <Trevinho> I might need some comments on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/3v1n0/libfprint-tod-example-driver
[15:25] <seb128> nothing from me either
[15:25] <Trevinho> so feel free to check that
[15:25] <Trevinho> (and dependent lib)
[15:25] <seb128> Trevinho, k, what does "tod" mean?
[15:26] <Trevinho> TOuch Driver... I didn't like just "td" xD
[15:26] <seb128> Wimpress, we should aim at making the meeting go a bit faster in the futur if we can, it used to fit in an half hour, more time for coffee :-)
[15:26] <marcustomlinson> Trevinho: I think this fell out of your radar. Please could you comment: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128803
[15:26] <Wimpress> seb128: OK.
[15:27] <Wimpress> All done?
[15:27] <seb128> I think so
[15:28] <Wimpress> #endmeeting
[15:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 15:28:03 2019 UTC.
[15:28] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-12-17-14.34.moin.txt
[15:28] <marcustomlinson> thx
[15:28] <seb128> thanks team!
[15:28] <Wimpress> Thanks desktoppers
[15:28] <Trevinho> marcustomlinson: yes, I've to get into that asap
[15:28] <marcustomlinson> Trevinho: I'm just afraid that the LO guys are brushing it off thinking it's entirely a mutter issue
[15:29] <marcustomlinson> and I don't know enough to explain that it isn't
[15:29] <Trevinho> Yeah, I've to check through the things again, but I will
[15:29] <marcustomlinson> thanks Trevinho!
[15:50] <jibel> I'd need a sponsor for autopilot-gtk 1.6. Branch and debdiff attached to bug 1856574
[16:00] <seb128> jibel, I uploaded now but the vcs was missing an archive upload, I merged that in and sent you the patch (I can't push to the git)
[16:16] <jibel> seb128, thanks
[16:16] <seb128> np! thank you for doing the actual work :)
[16:17] <jibel> seb128, ah that's fine, I re-fixed it
[16:21] <Laney> jibel: in the new ubiquity enhanced design, do you know why encryption is under advanced features? (i know it's on the design like that, wondering if you know why it is)
[16:22] <Laney> s/enhanced/focal/ ;-)
[16:23] <Laney> or mpt ^-
[16:28] <mpt> Laney, it wasn’t my first choice, but it was something they could implement in time that showed the dependency between encryption and LVM
[16:29] <Laney> It's just that I'm a bit concerned about hiding full disk encryption like that
[16:34] <mpt> Laney, hmm, is the “Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation…” checkbox shown in <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/preview#bookmark=id.wht5l3rbb5bm> no longer present?
[16:34] <jibel> we can revisit that this cycle but it was very hard to go against the way partman expects things to happen when you go forward and backward between several disk setup steps.
[16:37] <Laney> mpt: hmm, no, it looks like this currently: https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/focalubi.png
[16:37] <jibel> mpt, the design implemented is from page 12 to 16 of the spec
[16:38] <jibel> with encryption in the advanced dialog
[16:39] <mpt> jibel, sure, understood, I didn’t realise that meant getting rid of the non-LVM encryption
[16:39] <jibel> I don't remember we ever had non lvm encryption
[16:41] <mpt> It was added to the installer in Ubuntu 12.10
[16:41] <mpt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto
[16:43] <jibel> hm, I'll have to reinstall 12.10 then. But before the change there was only lvm and lvm+encryption not encrpytion without lvm
[16:43] <jibel> I'll search when it disappeared and why
[16:44] <mpt> I was under the impression that the reason you used the phrase “the new Ubuntu installation” so often in your initial UI was that you were copying the text of that checkbox
[16:46] <Laney> I think it did require you to install on LVM, but it wasn't presented as a sub-item
[16:50] <mpt> Hmm, the help page doesn’t mention LVM … Maybe it did use LVM and I was oblivious
[18:42] <hellsworth> i need to pop down to the post office to mail all the things but i'll be back
[18:42] <hellsworth> i'll be afk for maybe an hour (depending on the line)
[19:24] <marcustomlinson> alright I'm out. g'night all