[00:09] <fuze> I installed windows 10 over kubuntu 19.10 and i am trying to reinstall grub on my efi partition. when i try to mount it i get mount: /mnt/boot/efi: /dev/nvme0n1 already mounted or mount point busy.
[00:09] <fuze> boot-repair says "Please use this software in a live-session (live-CD or live-USB). This will enable this feature." https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kRX3H75JJV/
 Fuse: hey can you help me to get boot-repair?
 I am trying to install it over my live boot usb but it said I have held broken packages
[00:13] <fuze> IrcsomeBot: I have the same issue on my ubuntu 19.10 usb, it was installable on kubuntu 19.10 usb
 I understand.. I am trying to fix broken packages via recovery mode and try to install boot-repair
 I really don't know what to do.. Trying to fix it via terminal is jist too complicated for me
[00:25] <magic_ninja> IrcsomeBot, typically, in the windows or macOS world, a reinstall is performed in this sort situation. In linux, we have an interface to do it. Don't worry, over time you will learn more about it.
[00:27] <magic_ninja> IrcsomeBot, use lsblk to list your drives. You will want to look at the size of the drives to get an idea of which is which.
[00:28] <magic_ninja> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[00:35] <valorie> IrcsomeBot is a bot from Telegram to IRC - the nick following that is the person on T
[00:35] <magic_ninja> what is telegram?
[00:35] <valorie> using @ gets their attention on Tg
[00:35] <valorie> @Franzpow ^^^
 Yep
[00:37] <valorie> magic_ninja: a chat service that works on people's phones
 Magic_ninja: I tried different options...
[00:38] <valorie> I use it when I'm traveling for my IRC-linked channels
[00:38] <valorie> v. useful
 Sda1/2/5 etc.. It said that It could not acces /cow or something like that
 That's funny
 But this is what the terminal said
[00:39] <valorie> sudo will be necessary
 I tried this terminal way …  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#The_graphical_way
[00:39] <magic_ninja> @Franzpow you need to unplug the usb drive you booted from prior to running grub-update
 Valorie: I surely did that
[00:40] <valorie> ah
 Magic_ninja: I can unplug it even while running live-usb?
 Should it result in a mess?
[00:41] <magic_ninja> @Franzpow as long as nothing is being read or written. It loads into memory. Don't do it except for that specific circumstance. It is trying to set up your USB in grub but is unable to.
[00:42] <magic_ninja> @Franzpow basically do everything you gotta do. Get ready to run that command. Unplug it. Give it a second. Run that command. Plug it back in, and reboot.
[00:43] <magic_ninja> Just to be fair though, that is from my experience reinstalling grub from a command line in debian, where I ran into the issue that it was trying to install on my flash drive. I don't promise it will work, but it sounds like the same issue I had.
 I want to trust you.. i am actually rebooting after tried to fix packages with recovery mode
[00:45] <fuze> IrcsomeBot: what version is your ubuntu usb
 19.10
[00:45] <fuze> IrcsomeBot: use latest lts version, boot-repair works
[00:46] <fuze> must be a bug in the new one
 Eeew I should install a live usb of ubuntu 18.04 on my usb drive  and try it?
[00:47] <fuze> yes
 It's night here.. I must sleep. I am trying the method that Magic_ninja suggested me
 Or.. i will try tomorrow as you said
[00:49] <fuze> i literally had the same problem and just fixed it...
[00:50] <fuze> 19.10 has a bug that causes boot-repair to not install
[00:50] <valorie> that is an awful bug! has it been reported?
[00:51] <valorie> I mean, it's a bit late to fix it in the 19.10 installer
[00:51] <valorie> but it should be checked out for the upcoming LTS
[00:51] <fuze> its actually only a bug in vanilla ubuntu not kubuntu
[00:51] <valorie> aha
[00:51] <fuze> kubuntu boot repair has a different bug
[00:51] <valorie> lol super
[00:51] <fuze> says you need to boot from a live usb
[00:51] <valorie> again, reported?
[00:52] <fuze> im not sure
[00:56] <valorie> probably will not be fixed with no BR
 Magic_ninja: same issue … Grub-install:error: failed to get canonical path of '/cow'
 Can I install more ubuntu live usb versions on one usb drive?
[01:01] <fuze> yes but its very complicated, just overwrite it
 Ok I will do it now
 After creating the live usb did you just ruan boot-repair by terminal?
 Run*
[04:19] <onworks> ..
 Yesterday my other machine with kubuntu suddenly freezed and plasma crashed several times..
 After that I rebooted and used the pc with no issues
 Now it won't even display the bios.. I can't get even into the bios
 Now I Have two pc to fix.. Is it possible that kubuntu did something to the hardware? Or it was a complete mess already before?
[09:48] <lordievader> Very unlikely
 So the pc was a traitor from the beginning.. I lost important data
 Worked fine until the day before
 With no warnings
 @RikMills
[09:53] <YuraVakulenko> Hi! Can anybody help update my Kubuntu 18.04 to Kubuntu 19.10 or 19.04
[09:54] <YuraVakulenko> Hi! Can anybody help update my Kubuntu 18.04 to Kubuntu 19.10 or 19.04?
 Hey.. I tried with boot-repair and after I used the tool nothing has changed. Could it be worse?
 I can give you the pastebin if you could help me
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 If someone lost all the conversation yesterday I am writing down what happened:  … I tried to change de from xfce. I had Gnome installed but I was using xfce. I used the guide on "itsfoss" and uninstalled xfce. Rebooted and it won't boot in Ubuntu. I tried to fix the grub as someone said but I did not succeed via terminal. Today I tried boot-repair with no luck. What to do now?
 Hi BluesKaj
[11:26] <BluesKaj> hi Franzpow, install kubuntu-desktop in the terminal
[11:27] <BluesKaj> then reboot
 Sorry, how to install kubuntu with Ubuntu not booting up?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> you're able to get to VT/TTY terminal, correct?
 Ehmm maybe? Via Ubuntu recovery mode?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> yes, you could try that
 Meanwhile I am giving you the pastebin of boot-repair … Http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V9v5qJgGpN
 I am rebooting and trying what you suggested me. Just a question: will it do a mess with my other windows partition? Am I going to lose data?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> ctl+alt+F2-F6 for the terminal
[11:32] <BluesKaj> not if you can boot into the terminal you'll be in ubuntu, just won't have a desktop environment
 Ok so I am starting ubuntu not in recovery mode
 And trying to boot terminal
[11:33] <BluesKaj> try recovery mode
 Ok
[11:34] <BluesKaj> maybe it will boot to a login where you can chose your desktop
[11:34] <BluesKaj> choose rather
 I was able to boot the terminal (not recovery) can I run the command from here?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> yes
 It says login incorrect
[11:35] <BluesKaj> login then, sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
 But the password is correct
 Damn
 Sorry for my extreme inexperience
[11:36] <BluesKaj> login with your normal username and password
 I do.. But keep saying me login incorrect
[11:36] <BluesKaj> yje one's you chose during installation
[11:37] <BluesKaj> the
[11:38] <BluesKaj> username first, hit enter , then your password and enter
 Strange enough.. My user name is Franzo and only when I wrote it without the F maiusc it booted..
 Ok now I am gonna install the kubuntu system
[11:39] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
 Working..
 But it's so slow at downloading don't know why
[11:41] <BluesKaj> there will be many packages installing, once it finishes then run, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade.
 I will try but I am forced to wait a lot
 My usual speed is 1.4mB/s now it dropped to 100kB/s
[11:44] <BluesKaj> that's a function of your package  server and your internet connection
[11:44] <BluesKaj> it may be very busy
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, where are you located?
 I am in Italy but I have a connection that reach up to 200mbit/s
 Now we are experiencing a lot of slowdown even on other pcs.. From 200 mbit to 35
 Maybe due to the heavy raining occuring now..
[11:50] <BluesKaj> that doesn't matter, if your package source server is busy then the download speed is determined by that
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, perhaps we should reboot before doing the update and upgrade, that can be done once we know you have a working desktop
 Mmm okay. So when I finished installing it I reboot and I should have  a working desktop?
 After that I do update and upgrade, right?
[11:56] <BluesKaj> yes
 Fun fact: I wanted to install Kde on this machine.. So I thought about uninstalling xfce and installing kde. Now I am getting installed it anyway :')
[11:58] <BluesKaj> I've tried xfce, it's ok, but awfully boring :-)
[11:58] <BluesKaj> but that was on a RPI
 I agree.. That's also slower than kde that's actually my favourite one
[12:00] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma has so many more options etc
 I love it.. I am just so sad that also my laptop died with plasma
 With plasma installed*
 Never trust used laptops
 2 pcs dead in one day :/
[12:01] <BluesKaj> laptops, expecially the cheaper models are throwaways after 4-5 yrs
[12:02] <BluesKaj> espcially
[12:02] <MrTux889_> especially :-)
 This is an used model from 2017 bought on warehouse amazon.. :'(
[12:03] <BluesKaj> MrTux889_, yes, especially :-)
 Acer it's just rubbish as always
[12:03] <BluesKaj> acer are the elcheapos of all laptops
 Ah yes :') Meanwhile my desktop core2duo 10 yrs old, (the one we are installing kubuntu on) is still kicking ass
[12:05] <BluesKaj> heh, how much RAM in your 10yr old?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hope it's more than 4GB
[12:08] <BluesKaj> 4GB is adequate, but even 2GB more will make a big difference in performance
 It's 4gb
 But that's ok for most of things.. Watching videos.. Playing redeclipse
 That is my home pc.. But the laptop I used to work on.. That's the big loss.
 I had all presets of my VST on
 VSTs
 Yesterday it booted.. Today.. Ops..your pc does not work anymore
[12:14] <BluesKaj> an audio workstation?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> are you sure it's dead?
 Yep.. Sort of. I use it to play live
 It's not a powerful machine but it's ok to play live
 I think so.. I will first repair my desktop and after that I'll try something on that
 But without anything booting up it's difficult
[12:17] <BluesKaj> what do you "play live"?
 Keyboard
 I use two midi keyboards and connect them to bitwig
 I use another machine to produce music.. A pc with win 10 on it.. Sigh
[12:20] <BluesKaj> interesting
[12:20] <BluesKaj> we use reaper on W10 for recording our band
 Oh cool.. I am still stuck on cubase but I was planning to use bitwig in the future with linux on that production machine
[12:22] <BluesKaj> cubase is beyond our scope, it's much too complex for our needs anyway
 Oh I understand
 That's my first love anyway :)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> how's the install going ?
 It's around 50%.. i am still waiting
[12:25] <BluesKaj> ok, kde/kubuntu-desktop is a large series of packages
 The issue this time is the slow downloading speed
[12:26] <BluesKaj> I recall waaay back it took 90 mins to install
 Btw Could it be that when I uninstalled xfce it tried to set lightdm and I uninstalled it?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> like around 2005-6
 Maybe it did not set automatically gdm3
[12:28] <BluesKaj> kubuntu default is sddm, altho ligtdm should work ok
[12:28] <BluesKaj> lightdm
 I mean, when I installed xfce I choose lightdm
[12:30] <BluesKaj> if you have no login screen then install sddm
 Maybe uninstalling xfce uninstalled also lightdm and Ubuntu still tried to boot  with lightdm.. I am just thinking what could have been wrog
 Wrong*
 I will try that when I finish the kubuntu installation
[12:32] <BluesKaj> let's wait to see how far your boot goes after the kubuntu install finishes
[12:33] <BluesKaj> to keep the installation as simple as possible at this point
 Yeah.. Thanks a lot for the help
[12:38] <BluesKaj> you're welcome, i'm happy to help on a boring Saturday morning
 Cool :) where are you located?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> I'm in Canada and winter has set in here 400KM North of Toronto
[12:40] <zxq9> What's the temperature like this time of year up there?
 Wow! Beautiful
 You are in the north
[12:41] <BluesKaj> zxq9, it's -7C @ 7:40 AM
 The real north :) we act as victims of the winter here in Italy but we barely see any snow at all during the year
[12:42] <BluesKaj> not the real north at 46 degrees , we're the same latitude as Paris France
 I live in the south of Italy
[12:42] <zxq9> Nice. I live on a Pacific island, so it never gets very cold here, but I came from a place with much colder winters. My wife thinks 12℃ is cold.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Franzpow well, that's in the middle of the Mediterranean
 :') here the same. I like cold temperatures but now he have around 15-16 °C
 That's not cold
[12:44] <BluesKaj> zxq9, it's what we acclimatize ourselves to
 BluesKaj: Yeah, I live in the middle of mediterranean
[12:45] <BluesKaj> it was -20C here 2 days ago
[12:45] <BluesKaj> we get the Siberian cold coming down from Russia here
 I understand
[12:46] <zxq9> Indeed. I'm at 26N latitude and live in the middle of the very warm kurishio current. Doubly warm. Unless one of those sudden ice-age drops happens, I think we'll continue to be covered in coffee and pineapples rather than snow.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> hehe
 That hard to live at those temperatures for us
 zxq9: that's almost Italian :P
[12:47] <zxq9> Haha :-)
 We also are covered with coffee :")
[12:47] <zxq9> :-D
[12:47] <zxq9> There is a coffee farm on the north part of my island, actually. It gets juuuust cold enough here on the worst winters that they have to wrap the trees. Maybe once every 5 or 10 years.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> I grew up here, we did sports year round as kids, but I think we loved winter more due to the fsct we could ski all over the countryside
[12:48] <zxq9> I used ski with my brother every year in winter. Now it is just strange to me that it never snows!
[12:48] <BluesKaj> fsct=fact
[12:48] <zxq9> The disk utility version of a fact.
 Strangely enough, we had snow last year
[12:49] <zxq9> Franzpow: Which part of Italy are you in?
 It's very rare at this latitude
[12:49] <zxq9> Isn't the north part of Italy mountainous and snowy?
 I live near Naples
 Yes but I live in the South :)
[12:50] <zxq9> Ah.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> nice
[12:50] <zxq9> Probably not regular snow there since maybe Roman times?
 Maybe in those times there was snow
 Even here
 Last year we had -5 °C here in the morning
 This year just heavy heavy rain
[12:51] <BluesKaj> I'll take the -5C
[12:51] <zxq9> I took my family north to a place called Aomori -- it is super cold there, frozen rivers, etc. My kids were mesmerized by all the ice. It was really fun to watch the littlest ones sort of discover all the things you can do in the snow. hehe
[12:51] <zxq9> I prefer -5 + snow to 5 + rain.
 Snow is beautiful
[12:52] <zxq9> It really is.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> yup, we used to play hockey on the some of the frozen lakes in our area
[12:52] <zxq9> Some of the ugliest places on the planet look suddenly beautiful when all the junk is covered up by the snow.
[12:53] <zxq9> Like Vladivostok.
[12:53] <zxq9> (Not dinging Russia in general, but some Russian cities have a certain punched-in-the-face aesthetic left over from the Soviets)
[12:54] <zxq9> But snow is positively transformative!
[12:54] <BluesKaj> no kidding, Russian cities still look like ghettos
[12:55] <zxq9> Many do.
[12:55] <zxq9> There are a few breathtakingly beautiful parts of Russia, too, though.
[12:55] <zxq9> Just some of the, er, "planning" didn't seem to go very well to plan, that's all.
[12:56] <zxq9> St. Petersburg is something to see. Very different history than the places east of the Urals, of course, but anyway, quite a place.
 I think that you are right
 And the same thing applies to Bucarest in Romania for me
 The old part.. It's really ugly
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Peter the Great tried to make it the Paris of the North
 Yeah.. They have an enormous parliement
 But they destroyed many historical buildings to build that monster
 I visited it..so sad
[12:58] <BluesKaj> that was the Bolsheviks tho
 Yep
[12:59] <zxq9> Haha
[12:59] <zxq9> History is a remarkable thing.
[12:59] <zxq9> "goddam hoomans!" mixed with "WOW! ZOMG! HUMANS ARE AMAZING!"
[13:00] <zxq9> Still apes on a rock doing ape things to each other, but anyway, fascinating all the same.
 You are right :-')
 BluesKaj: I am around 90%
[13:03] <BluesKaj> ok good, Franzpow
 Ok..finished installation
[13:13] <BluesKaj> rebooting?
 I have to choose the display manager. Should I choose gdm3 or sddm?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> sddm
[13:14] <BluesKaj> it's the kde default
 I trust you
 What are the differences between them?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> sddm is a systemd design login screen I think
[13:17] <BluesKaj> not really sure
 Blues Kaj: I finished
 Now I just reboot?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, use system settings>harware>driver manager for your drivers
[13:29] <BluesKaj> harware=hardware
[13:30] <BluesKaj> do you still have a terminal prompt, Franzpow?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, then it's using the default open source drivers
 BluesKaj: Yes! All worked fine.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Franzpow run this before you reboot, sudo update-grub
 Do I just do upgrade?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, what gpu do you have ?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ok Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, which Kubuntu OS?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, do you have the Radeon gpu set as default in the EFI/BIOS ?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> most Dell laptops use F12 to access the bios during the postpage with dell logo
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, how's it going?
 I am trying to remove a widget from the desktop bar
 :/
 I made 5 copy of the same widget unintentionally.. How to fix that?
 Wait I solved that. I am doing upgrade
[13:48] <BluesKaj> click on the far right icon probly 3 dashes like hamburger to open the widgets then you pass over the icons to remove them
 yeah. I fixed that. Trying to upgrade now
 BluesKaj: terminal said there is nothing to upgrade
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, did you run sudo apt update, first ?
 Yep
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, what about additional devices, click there to see
 Maybe  that'all up to date.. i don't  know
 Yesterday I tried to update packages from the ubuntu recovery
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, then you up to date and reaby to rock! :-)
 Maybe that is the reason
[13:54] <BluesKaj> ready
 Yeah! Thanks BluesKaj
 What is the name of your band?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> we have 3 guys with guests sitting in alot of the time, but we joke about being "Tres Hombres"
 Oh
 Would be cool to listen something
[13:57] <BluesKaj> we're old guys who no longer do any outside gigs ..too much work
 This is not your main job?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> we'll be recording some songs later this winter but we need to rehearse a lot of them first
[13:59] <BluesKaj> no, I'm a retired Lab Tech guy, Franzpow
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, I don't see any Radeon Graphics listed there
 Blueskaj: that's cool you keep playing!
 I am recording my second album with my trio
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, ok go back to the desktop and run this in the terminal, sudo lshw -C video, then pastbin the results
[14:06] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, you have to find the Graphics section in your UEFI/BIOS and choose the Radeon gpu as default
[14:20] <BluesKaj> the video card is your graphics
[14:21] <BluesKaj> in https://irc-attachments.kde.org/zCbaOpij/file_21124.jpg
[14:21] <BluesKaj> click on the video card
[14:23] <BluesKaj> should be in your devices section
[14:25] <BluesKaj> or PCI devices or some such
[14:26] <BluesKaj> post what you mean by this
[14:28] <BluesKaj> what image?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> this might help you find the correct driver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97fj4bGJxVM
[14:42] <BluesKaj> yes, Kmenu,System-Settings>Hardware>DriverManager
[14:47] <BluesKaj> these and/intel hybrid graphics systems are difficult on linux
[14:47] <BluesKaj> amd/intel
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala, i was mistaken, the amd and intel gpus work together as one graphics system so there's no default individual gpu in the uefi/bios
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Vamsi Krishna Reddy Mudamala this is the best i could find that seems to fit your situation https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln298475/a-guide-to-hybrid-video-on-dell-pcs-with-an-ubuntu-operating-system?lang=en
[16:07] <TLLC-chuck> anyone know of a good crossplatform p2p chat client? I am running Kubuntu and want to be able to communicate with the other machines on my network. We have several running various Ubuntu spins as well as an Arch and a couple of Windows 10 machines
 telegram, thunderbird IMS, skype, hangouts....
[16:15] <TLLC-chuck> they all go over the internet...I'm looking for one that is local network hence p2p
 I know about hamachi
 But I don't know if it is crossplatform
 Surely you can use it without internet
 Yep, there is hamachi for linux
 Try it and let me know
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, unfortunately he left before you mentioned hamachi
 Oh..
 I think it could work for him
 BluesKaj: some advices for a good live-music laptop with kubuntu?
 I now have to send my broken laptop back to amazon.. And buy a new one
 Hopefully around 300€
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Franzpow, i don't know ... our band uses W10 since everyone else uses windows in our music circle \
 It's ok with w10.. I will change the so when I buy it
 I just need an hardware compatible laptop and an afforfable onr
 One*
[16:42] <BluesKaj> I love audio, but I'm not really knowledgeable about laptops for music recording and producing
 Oh ok.. Thanks anyway
[16:44] <BluesKaj> some say buy a mac , but I detest their marketing and customer service so I won't go near their products
 I hate them too.. But.. I know a lot of people here with mac for music production
 They are expensive and I think that at that cost you don't get what you deserve for how much you pay
[16:45] <BluesKaj> and they pay thru the nose for a pretty ordinary computer
 Yep.. With a so anywhere near to the lightweight distro like kubuntu
 I was doing well with a celeron quadcore on Kubuntu.. But acer.. That's not reliable :P
 Plus an used one
 I also hate the fact that I am forced to use logic on the mac.. That's the only reason I think to use it for music. Using cubase on a Mac just don't have any sense to me
[16:53] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do for a while
 Bye
[18:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> Is there something similar to Ubuntu's "Software & Updates" in Kubuntu? I would like to adjust some of its settings.
[18:48] <HighMemoryDaemon> Particularly the livepatch and the "Notify me of new Ubuntu version"
[18:49] <diogenes_> discover  maybe.
[19:13] <user|42130> hi
[23:45] <mc35> I on youtube looking at the linux app summit day 3 from last month on desktop setting. I run zorin os 9 and I would know do any esle run this os
[23:48] <mc35> I not new to the linux os but I want what most of the community os is?