 @emrekayamix [Breaking up after 1.5 gb], Lubuntu.me? Also 19.10 is latest
 whats site lubuntu.me and lubuntu.net ?
 why two different sites
[08:37] <guiverc> Lubuntu.me is the official Lubuntu site, if you're unsure about any flavor site go to ubuntu.com and look there (eg. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours)
[08:37] <guiverc> fyi: there are more than 2 sites offering Lubuntu for download if you ask google... (some only show in specific language searches)
[08:42] <guiverc> (fyi: I wasn't thinking of official mirrors in my last comment; we cannot really control what people say/offer online)
 thanks forever lubuntu!
 which is the latest stable version
 19.10 and 20.04 ?
[08:45] <guiverc> 19.10; or the 2019-October release (releases are year.month in format)
[08:45] <guiverc> 20.04 is the current development version, set for release in 2020-April
 your advice
[08:47] <guiverc> 19.10 is the latest stable release; so I'd suggest that.  The lubuntu manual (https://manual.lubuntu.me/) assumes you're on stable (19.10), you can use all support sites (some eg. askubu don't allow ubuntu+1 or 20.04)
 @guiverc [<guiverc> 19.10 is the latest stable release; so I'd suggest that.  The lubuntu …], Do Lubuntu users from all over the world only 85?
[09:02] <guiverc> 85?
 @guiverc [<guiverc> 85?], are there more ?
[09:05] <guiverc> sorry I don't understand your question
 i mean, is there more lubuntu user around the world ?
 in this support group only 85
 There are 85 in the Telegram channel but the Telegram channel is bridged to IRC and Matrix
[09:07] <guiverc> I see only 69 users in the room connected to IRC currently; but most don't use telegram, nor do most use IRC.  Most users just download & use it ..
 Many just join the support channel when they need support, they don't necessarily stay connected.
 @kc2bez [Many just join the support channel when they need support, they don't necessaril …], owh okay thx, and sorry for the fool question
 No problem
[09:10] <guiverc> no such thing as a fool question, asking questions is the only way we learn :)
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/VKYRHce.jpg
 same error
 It doesn't go down after 1.5 Gb
 there is a bug in the server
 @emrekayamix [It doesn't go down after 1.5 Gb], You could use wget.
 I just did a "wget http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/eoan/release/lubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso" and it works fine.
 (Photo, 606x1280) https://i.imgur.com/817wf8o.jpg
[21:21] <bea19> Hi does someone know Parcellite?
[21:21] <bea19> I have a little problem...
 parcellite as in the clipboard manager?  Hasn't that been unmaintained since 2017?
[21:23] <bea19> Yes
[21:23] <bea19> the clipboard manager
[21:23] <bea19> I dont know much
[21:24] <bea19> I have a problem because i absolutley need to recover an item in history
[21:24] <bea19> but it only keeps the last 25
[21:24] <bea19> at first I thought I was in big trouble
[21:25] <bea19> but I think it's in the local-share-parcellite-history file
[21:25] <bea19> but I don't know how to read that file
[21:25] <bea19> I tried to open it with Leafpad
[21:26] <bea19> but not working (only says Parcellite History file and shows nothing)
[21:26] <guiverc> bea19, if you know where the file is; use `file /path/file` to work out what type of file it is, it may provide clues as to how you can use it
[21:27] <bea19> ok I try
[21:34] <bea19> .local/share/parcellite/history: data
[21:34] <bea19> it's a data file
[21:34] <bea19> so what next? :)
[21:35] <tomreyn> "strings" may help if its text
[21:35] <bea19> is that a command?
[21:36] <bea19> sorry, I am a beginner
[21:36] <tomreyn> yes
[21:36] <bea19> so I type strings /path/file in terminal?
[21:37] <tomreyn> yes
[21:37] <tomreyn> strings .local/share/parcellite/history
[21:37] <tomreyn> or rather:
[21:37] <tomreyn> strings ~/.local/share/parcellite/history
[21:38] <bea19> Yes, It works!
[21:39] <bea19> But something strange...
[21:39] <bea19> It shows more than 25, but not all of them
[21:40] <bea19> Can i do something like "all strings" ?
[21:41] <bea19> I need it to show all
[21:42] <bea19> maybe "strings full" ?
[21:44] <bea19> It shows 30, so 5 more
[21:45] <bea19> Actually no sorry Im wrong, it shows the same (25)
[21:46] <tomreyn> bea19: are those missing ones shorter than 4 characters?
[21:46] <bea19> no
[21:46] <bea19> they are just older
[21:46] <bea19> chronologically
[21:46] <bea19> older
[21:46] <tomreyn> chances are they're lost then
[21:46] <bea19> that's why it doesn't show then anymore
[21:47] <bea19> there is nothing else i can try?
[21:47] <bea19> please
[21:47] <bea19> maybe a log somewhere
[21:47] <tomreyn> i don't know the software, so can't tell for sure
[21:48] <bea19> who knows the software?
[21:49] <tomreyn> it's probably open source. and the developers do.
[21:49] <bea19> the thing is I never cleared the history
[21:49] <bea19> so this makes me think it could be possible
[21:51] <bea19> wouldn't it be strange the items just get deleted without me having cleared the history?
[21:51] <bea19> so you say i write to the developers?
[21:51] <tomreyn> it's a clipboard manager. you should never have expected it to persist data for you in the first place.
[21:52] <bea19> I thought that was the whole point of a clipboard manager...
[21:52] <bea19> to not get the copied items lost
[21:52] <bea19> looks like I was wrong
[21:52] <bea19> :(
[21:53] <tomreyn> anyways, i'm convinced it is gone. but you don't need to rely on me.
[21:53] <bea19> But thank you, you were helpful
[21:53] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[21:53] <bea19> why are you convinced?
[21:54] <tomreyn> this software seems to store its data in this file you identified, ~/.local/share/parcellite/history. it probably won't keep the data elsewhere. and it's not in there.
[21:54] <tomreyn> so it seems logical to assume that the missing data is gone
[21:54] <bea19> that command you said (strings) are you sure it shows everything?
[21:55] <tomreyn> it will also not have been saved in a a different file, so there is probably no use in looking for the data on the raw disk
[21:55] <tomreyn> i'm sure that strings does *not* show everything by default. you can read its man page and learn how to make it display more
[21:55] <tomreyn> !man
[21:56] <tomreyn> also     strings --help    may already suffice.
[21:57] <bea19> Ok, looks complicated, but I will try
[21:57] <bea19> Thanks
[21:57] <bea19> lubot: should I thank you too, or are you a bot? :)
[21:57] <tomreyn> it's unlikely that the missing strings is stored in a different format than those others it found, though, and you said it's not shorter than 4 characters, so it's unlikely that "strings" will be able to get you those other missing strings.
[21:58] <tomreyn> its a bot
[21:58] <bea19> aha :)
[21:58] <tomreyn> and so is ubottu
[22:01] <bea19> Ok, my mistake. But it would have been REALLY NICE if developers made it clear that older items get deleted even if we do not clear history!!!
[22:02] <bea19> I bet many other people made my same wrong assumption...
[22:02] <bea19> At least us beginners...
[22:02] <bea19> :)
[22:08] <tomreyn> i agree, this would be good to point out, to prevent this situation. i have not studieid it's documentation to check whether that's the case, though.
[22:13] <tomreyn> apparently there is a 'Persistent History' setting on its "Behavior Tab" in preferences. "Adds a list that is permanent and never goes away."
[22:43] <bea19> Yes, that should be default behavior!! :)
[22:45] <bea19> Changing subject, where can you buy online (l)ubuntu notebooks with italian-keyboard?
[22:45] <bea19> Are there official ubuntu-notebooks?
[22:46] <bea19> Where does the ubuntu community buy the hardware from?
[22:49] <bea19> "Sad news for fans of official Ubuntu merchandise: the Ubuntu Shop has closed down!"
[22:49] <guiverc> i don't think there is anyplace specific; I buy second hand from a local recycler, they come with ubuntu installed too :)   A few companies do sell ubuntu (or flavors) installed on new devices
[22:49] <bea19> There is no other?
[22:49] <bea19> With italian keyboard?
[22:51] <bea19> I see some on foreign ecommerce sites, but not with italian keyboard
[22:51] <guiverc> can't help there sorry;  UK & DE suppliers I'm aware of, no clue on italian keyboards sorry
[22:52] <bea19> can you please tell me anyways
[22:52] <bea19> (the uk & de suppliers)
[22:52] <bea19> maybe I can ask them to put italian keytboard?
[22:53] <bea19> can the local recycler change the keyboard?
[22:54] <guiverc> UK I was thinking of https://www.entroware.com/store/, but sorry when I said local I meant local to me (melb au) - you'd have to check your local recyclers
[22:54] <bea19> ok, that's pretty far for me, aha :)
[22:54] <bea19> thanks
[22:56] <bea19> It's strange they don't care about us Italians, we are many, 60 million...
[22:56] <guiverc> https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/  is possibly who I was thinking of in DE;  I've heard better things about entroware (UK) though
[22:56] <bea19> Is it difficult to change the keyboard of a notebook?
[22:58] <bea19> Were there ever official ubuntu notebooks? (before the store closed)
[22:59] <guiverc> i can't really advise sorry, i've changed a few keyboards on thinkpads (ibm/lenovo) & latitudes (dell) but I believe the ease will vary on model of device - getting replacement keyboard is I suspect largest issue
[22:59] <bea19> OK, I see...
[22:59] <bea19> Definitely better if it comes right away with the right keyboard...
[23:00] <bea19> But nobody cares about us Italians... :(
[23:00] <bea19> :)
[23:00] <guiverc> not that I'm aware of .. dell, hp, lenovo & some big make sell ubuntu on devices - but locally trying to find one would be impossible, usually you need to order (IF you can find web page)
[23:02] <bea19> Yes Delll I saw had, but not for Italy...
[23:02] <tomreyn> bea19: dell can usually offer them with italian keyboards, though it may not be available through the online customization utility
[23:02] <tomreyn> possibly only B2B, though
[23:03] <bea19> But I once read an article that said they didn't do them for Italy
[23:03] <bea19> I mean with Ubuntu
[23:03] <tomreyn> https://pilot.search.dell.com/laptops/ubuntu
[23:04] <bea19> They force us on Windows
[23:04] <tomreyn> "Tastiera interna italiano (non retroilluminata)"
[23:07] <tomreyn> oh this search doesn't actually work
[23:07] <tomreyn> you need to search manually for "ubuntu", then you'll find 17 models
[23:09] <bea19> Ok I take a look, hopefully they changed, thankyou
[23:09] <bea19> Grazie :)
[23:13] <tomreyn> it seems to be a matter of luck whether it lists the windows ones or the ubuntu ones as a result of this search
[23:46] <bea19> When you search from the dellitalian website it gives ZERO results... :(
[23:51] <bea19> Ok maybe found some...
[23:52] <bea19> Thank you all & good night- buona notte :)
[23:56] <tomreyn> https://www.dell.com/it-it/shop/notebook-dell/sr/laptops/ubuntu?appliedRefinements=9964
[23:57] <tomreyn> unfortunately intel only
[23:58] <bea19> amd is better?
[23:59] <tomreyn> amd integrated graphics are faster than intels',a dn i wouldn't want a dedicated graphics card on a laptop, it just drives up heat and price
[23:59] <bea19> also dell is expensive
[23:59] <tomreyn> a dn -> and