 I would also like to establish some sort of audit log so there's no more "what did Simon f*ck up this time?!?" XD
[00:02] <wxl> and instead we can say "oh so THAT'S what Simon f'd up this time!"
 Exactly!
[00:04] <wxl> well that would be a relief :)
[03:49] <wxl> can someone used to multiple keyboard layouts look deeper into this? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-19-10-lxqt-cannot-change-keyboard-layout-shortcuts-not-working/507
 Does throwing my keyboard at the wall count as another layout?
[03:54] <wxl> only one way to find out
[05:33] <wxl> @kc2bez any reason not to push D64 through? i have every amount of faith in you :)
[08:46] <kc2bez> wxl: it should be good, I just like the sanity check. 
[08:47] <kc2bez> Sorry I fell asleep on you last night. 
[08:47] <kc2bez> early starts during at work this week. 
[08:47] <kc2bez> many wow
[08:48] <kc2bez> let me try that again. early start at work all week
 @kc2bez you free now for next hour or so?
[08:49] <kc2bez> getting ready to head to work
 I will quickly update rMETA so that we have changes in the latest iso which will be ready in 2 hours from now
 Think you can check and sponsor it? @kc2bez
[08:52] <kc2bez> go ahead and update when you get a chance. I might be able to check it before then. 
 k.
 Is the software-properties driver tab still working OK for lubuntu?
 haven't tested something with proprietary drivers in a while
 saw this comment on a bug about the KDE one, that suggests Qt version might be broken now … https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1853804/comments/6
 assuming they mean software-properties-qt by that
 @lynorian [haven't tested something with proprietary drivers in a while], +1
 I'll try the live session in Virtualbox later. That should flag up 'innotek virtualbox' stuff if detection is working
[09:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez running the ./update script now. It is downloading some packages But it takes them from archive.ubuntu.com. Is there a way to make it use local server?
 I am not sure you would necessarily want to do that due to possible sync issues.
[10:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> makes sense
[10:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez https://phab.lubuntu.me/D67
[10:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> you have 30 mins approx
[10:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> before new iso is created.
 Oh my that is a bunch of removes. It does look to be all i386 related but I think we should have @tsimonq2 or wxl give a peek at this too.
 wxl: is asleep AFAIK.
 I would imagine.
 @tsimonq2 also I suppose
 I normally would be too
 Lite. We will wait till tomorrow.
 @kc2bez [Oh my that is a bunch of removes. It does look to be all i386 related but I thin …], Those removes were the reason it took this much time to me. I ran the script twice(2nd time in a fresh clone) to make sure.
 The first run was after a git pull in a clone I made before returning home.
 It makes sense that it is removed but at the same time I wouldn't mind the double check.
[10:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup!
[10:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> so since it is not in rMETA and only in rSEED, would that mean that grub-theme would be only in live image and won't get installed while installing from it?
 @kc2bez [It makes sense that it is removed but at the same time I wouldn't mind the doubl …], You didn't pull the latest lubuntu-meta source
 That is why
 @kc2bez There is this change which you don't have: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/20.04.3
 I have pushed Adam's change to git
 oh, it was @The_LoudSpeaker making the change!
 Yes, I was just on as a reviewer.
 @RikMills [saw this comment on a bug about the KDE one, that suggests Qt version might be b …], In my system software-properties-qt works ok (20.04)
 Thanks for looking at it @RikMills
 @RikMills software-properties-kde also
 could it be software-properties-gtk?
 anyway, software-properties-gtk also works ok in my system, 20.04 on virtualbox
 I think they are just mistaken to be honest, as I don't see how what they say could happen.
 Just wanted to check. Thanks :)
 @RikMills [Just wanted to check. Thanks :)], thanks to you. However, if update-xapian-index solved the issue, maybe there are some maintenance task needed to be done. It says the installation was from 17.10 media.
 My guess would be coincidence rather than cause and effect
[12:45] <theloudspeaker> I was pinged? @RikMills
 @theloudspeaker [<theloudspeaker> I was pinged? @RikMills], Yes, your lubuntu-meta diff
[12:46] <theloudspeaker> Landed?
 no
 @theloudspeaker [<theloudspeaker> Landed?], No, it was wrong, as the lubuntu git repo was out of date with the archive
[12:47] <theloudspeaker> yup! I just read your comment on phab.
[12:48] <theloudspeaker> I will do it again tonight.
 :)
[12:48] <theloudspeaker> And drop the current one in a sec.
[12:50] <theloudspeaker> Abandoned.
[12:51] <theloudspeaker> Wonder why abandoned has an icon of a flight? @tsimonq2 ?
 I'm chaning the update-notifier nag time from 1 hour to 1 day, the changelog should change from 0.1 to 0.2 ?? or 0.1ubuntu1 ?
 or there is no need to?
 My instinct tells me 0.2 but probably best to verify.
 @RikMills you have your own plasmoid update notifier right? doesi interacts with the update tab of software-properties-qt?
 @HMollerCl [@RikMills you have your own plasmoid update notifier right? doesi interacts with …], It is a binary now, but no, it does not. I am not sure how you think it might.
 Ideally it should, right?
 That tab has settings on when to check updates and what to do when there are updates.
 @RikMills we use update-notifier-common which among other things has an "apt update" cron that is handled by the update tab. So we use that
 and we run /lib/update-notifier/apt-check to check if there are updates.
 our notifier uses packagkit and its own schedule IIRC
 ok, thanks!
 Derp.  @tsimonq2 so the infra for weblate and stuff doesnt have the resources it needs on the lubuntu infra i’m workin on spinning it on my cloud infra I use
 No eta as to availability yet though
[18:40] <wxl> @RikMills do you have any clue why adam, who i know signed off on lubuntu going to git for the seeds, would even bother not pushing such a change to git? maybe we need to concoct some sort of script to check for updates to the archive that aren't in git for anything on launchpad. sigh.
[18:43] <RikMills> wxl: it was a change to the launchpad lubuntu-meta source package. NOT the lubuntu seeds in git. you happen to maintain your metapackage source in YOUR git, but that is nothing to do with the seed migration to git
[18:45] <wxl> RikMills: so i see, but i'm confused as to why he didn't also hit the seeds, since it is they that directly affect the isos.
[18:45] <RikMills> wxl: the seeds did not change, so no need
[18:48] <wxl> RikMills: mostly true (though a couple things should change here https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/focal/ship-live)
[18:52] <RikMills> wxl: they should change, but the metapackage change to stop generation of i386 stuff is all that was actually needed to kill of meta part. it is up to you to tidy up your own shop on the cruft in your seeds that no longer have any effect apart from wasted characters
[18:53] <RikMills> Adam was quite kind to go through and adjust all the metas!
[18:53] <wxl> ^^^^ @The_LoudSpeaker you should probably make that change to rSEED before resubmitting to rMETA
[18:54]  * RikMills notes that Kubuntu is the only flavour that he did not do, as I had already cleaned my own shop :P
[18:54] <RikMills> wxl: he can make the change, but as your meta now knows B-all about i386, it would not matter
[18:55] <wxl> yeah i'm not complaining so much as concerned about how to retain parity
[18:55]  * wxl wonders what the b refers to, but then remembers that favorite word of the uk
[18:56] <wxl> RikMills: i was referring to the change he intends to make for lubuntu-grub-theme, etc., but yeah, it wouldn't otherwise matter
[18:57] <RikMills> in kubuntu's KA we have a 'check-archive' that checkes your git branch is up to date with the launchpad archive version 
[18:57] <RikMills> *check-archive script
[18:58]  * RikMills pours a large brandy for the channel
[18:59] <wxl> ooh that would make a nice post-checkout git hook
[19:01] <RikMills> the simple version only checks the version, but at least it would detect if someone like a core dev, motu, release team etc had done an upload you missed
[19:06]  * kc2bez lost his voice and can use the brandy. 
 @wxl [<wxl> ^^^^ @The_LoudSpeaker you should probably make that change to rSEED before …], What changes?
 @wxl [<wxl> RikMills: mostly true (though a couple things should change here https://p …], You mean these?
 run the update script. you should get this... … ```lubuntu-meta (20.04.4) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium …   * Refreshed dependencies …   * Added lubuntu-grub-theme to desktop …   * Added xfonts-efont-unicode to desktop```
[20:04] <theloudspeaker> K. Will do.
[20:09] <theloudspeaker> Almost forgot, Merry Christmas everyone!
 @theloudspeaker [<theloudspeaker> Almost forgot, Merry Christmas everyone!], Merry Christmas!
 Is there a screen reader shipped by default with lubuntu,
 I don't believe so