[02:00] <kc2bez> I miss the bot :( If only there was a way to fix that ;)
 Woops, today was thursday
 Yeah, we've missed a few of them. The holidays seem to have been a contributing factor.
 understood
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I miss the bot :( If only there was a way to fix that ;)], How late will you be around? When I'm done with my workout in about an hour to hour and a half I can show you
 @HMollerCl [Woops, today was thursday], Well we all know the big news ;) but agreed
 @tsimonq2 [How late will you be around? When I'm done with my workout in about an hour to h …], Otherwise some other day; I can document it all and just give you the details. Up to you
 @tsimonq2 [Otherwise some other day; I can document it all and just give you the details. U …], We can do it some other time, I was mostly just giving you a little jab :) I hope to be sleeping by then XD
 Okay :)
 No worries
 big news did I miss something?
 @The_LoudSpeaker became a Lubuntu developer today.
[02:32] <guiverc> Congatulations @The_LoudSpeaker !
[02:33] <guiverc> (& well done, keep up the good work)
 I think wxl would agree that he reminds me a little of...myself pre-MOTU :)
 super enthusiastic
[03:20] <wxl> 
[04:03] <wxl> @kc2bez i thought we were going to get @teward001 to give you ssh access to you could kick the bot
[04:05] <wxl> @tsimonq2 i think if you look at my last comment on raman's application, you'll see i most certainly agree with you
 @guiverc [<guiverc> Congatulations @The_LoudSpeaker !], Thanks!
[12:50] <guiverc> I just noticed a bug in #ubuntu-bugs-announce; crash when non-english is used for install (kub 19.10); maybe we should have testcase (any combination but NOT default-english language)
 Nice idea. We should add it to testing-checklist.
 We all can test in our own languages. I am excited to install in Hindi.
[13:15] <guiverc> :(  it doesn't support 'ocker'  (bad aussie mangled-english)
 @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 pulled, need something else to appear in the daily?], @tsimonq2 ^ do I need to do something more so package is updated?
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez i thought we were going to get @teward001 to give you ssh access t …], were we?
 nobody told me :P
[18:47] <wxl> @teward001 yeah please give kc2bez ssh access :) 
[20:50] <wxl> focal daily didn't build like normal today. i bumped it and now we have an image again
 Do we know what the issue was there?
 I pushed the new Cala yesterday we should probably check that soon too.
[21:03] <wxl> @tsimonq2 looks like infra issues
[21:03] <wxl> there wasn't even a build log
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2 looks like infra issues], Oh nice
[21:03] <wxl> it did attempt to build for 75 minutes, but no clue what it was doing
 weird
[21:04] <wxl> i'm thinking perhaps it stalled and then hit some timeout
[21:04] <wxl> RikMills suggested that not having logs does happen sometimes with such infrastructure issues
[21:06] <RikMills> I know it does. not usual, but when you have done 1000's, you see it every once in a while
[21:08] <wxl> i might kick bionic too
 It would be a nice project for someone to figure out how to make latest LTS builds not fail once in a while because of kernel dep messes
 Like just make it retry itself once, which usually fixes the issue...
[21:09] <wxl> could easily be done in the cronjob
 Does not help that they build with proposed pocket!
 The only issue with that is that the automatic retry should happen iff it's a kernel dep issue
 @RikMills [Does not help that they build with proposed pocket!], Right
[21:10] <wxl> why is eoan still on the iso tracker manifest?
 Next time a build fails like that, I might be motivated to get to the bottom of it
 @wxl [<wxl> why is eoan still on the iso tracker manifest?], Probably because of 19.10.1 Pi images
 But I'd personally poke Adam and sil2100
 (sil2100 did the release but Adam actually uses a bouncer...)
[21:11] <wxl> i mean i don't care all that much. it's just messy
 I suspect, but don't know for sure, that sil2100 either doesn't know how to remove it or didn't remember
 That's okay though, like I said I think it's a pretty easy fix...
 I also think that most of the usual Canonicallers modulo IS may be out on vac
[21:13] <wxl> the cron job could just wait a couple hours, test for the iso a la http, and failing that, rebuild
 BY THE WAY wxl, modulo is the correct word in this situation. I've been waiting months to make my point on this
 So for example 10 % 3? That's 1
[21:13] <wxl> yes dear
[21:14] <wxl> anyways bionic is showing the same symptoms
 Modulo is the remainder given a certain division operation
 So, yes :)
 Anyway
 and...................?
[21:14] <wxl> livefs doesn't build, fails to go to sync https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/bionic/daily-live-20191227.log
 @RikMills [and...................?], At one point wxl said I didn't know what I was talking about and I just remembered that conversation
[21:14] <wxl> if you go track down the buildlog for livefs, you won't find it https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/bionic/lubuntu/+build/196949 e.g.
[21:14] <wxl> i don't think i said that
[21:14] <wxl> although you often don't know what you're talking about :)
 @wxl [<wxl> the cron job could just wait a couple hours, test for the iso a la http, a …], Right, but I'm not sure we can automatically assume all bionic failures are due to this
 @wxl [<wxl> i don't think i said that], Yes you did
[21:15] <wxl> go find the logs or it didn't happen
[21:15] <wxl> anyways
 @wxl [<wxl> although you often don't know what you're talking about :)], Only sometimes; sometimes I do "fake it until I make it"
[21:15] <wxl> i hit the rebuild but no activity so far http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds
[21:15] <wxl> ah there it goes
[21:15] <wxl> jeez
[21:16] <wxl> infra IS in bad shap
[21:16] <wxl> e
 @wxl [<wxl> i hit the rebuild but no activity so far http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracke …], Rebuilds are on a five min cronjob
 So if you request it at FOO:12 it won't ever build until FOO:15
 Etc.
 I think it throws it into an SQL database which Nusakan just reads from every five minutes...
 Not really ideal but hey, it works
 Updating in real time would just waste some CPU heat
 @RikMills [Updating in real time would just waste some CPU heat], Yeah, I don't think that the benefit of having it happen instantly outweighs the engineering cost of implementing it
 But it is worth noting that such a delay exists
[21:49] <wxl> weird the bionic log is truncated but it seems to have published https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/bionic/daily-live-20191227.1.log