[00:31] <JamesKostros> Hola, buenas noches
[00:54] <wxl> !es
[03:11] <Guest78286> podemos resolver nossas dúvidas por aqui?
[03:12] <wxl> !es | Guest78286
[03:12] <Guest78286> sorry
[03:12] <wxl> no, we're sorry :)
[03:12] <Guest78286> ok
[03:13] <Guest78286> so, there's no lubuntu channel in portuguese?
[03:13] <Guest78286> just in english?
[03:14] <lynorian> !pt
[03:14] <Guest78286> ok
[03:14] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList  (for list of available languages/locos)
[06:05] <tbs> Hello, im kinda new at linux, i see that lubuntu uses kde pack  manager. are all packs same when we open it on a kde desktopped distro?
[06:08] <tbs> im back
[06:10] <wxl> tbs: howdy
[06:11] <wxl> tbs: so i'm not sure i completely understand your question. first, we don't use the kde desktop, but there's a couple kde applications we use.
[06:13] <tbs> wxl: shortly, can i find all app that kubuntu kde app store has at lubuntu kde app store?
[06:13] <wxl> tbs: secondly, in regards to binary packages, no, they're not all the same. there are so-called universal packages, but this is a relatively new concept that is not without its flaws.
[06:14] <wxl> tbs: if you wish to install software on kubuntu or lubuntu, both use discover or muon (or, on the command line, apt/dpkg) and all of them use the same software sources (the ubuntu archive)
[06:17] <tbs> wxl: i think i saw steam and google earth at discover, but i can t find them now at lubuntu discover
[06:19] <wxl> tbs: again, they all come from the same source
[06:20] <wxl> here's the Debian packages related to steam https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=steam
[06:21] <tbs> wxl: may i ask u to check if u can see them at discover?
[06:21] <wxl> you WON'T find google earth. you can talk to google about THAT problem.
[06:22] <tbs> wxl: im sorry for making u angry, thanks for answers, have a nice day ^^
[06:22] <guiverc> tbs, you didn't make wxl angry
[06:23] <wxl> tbs: i concur. there's no ill feeling in any way.
[06:23] <wxl> (…except maybe toward google)
[06:25] <tbs> u showed me a page about steam  but i still dont see steam at discover app when i search it, what can  i do?
[06:26] <tbs> wxl:
[06:27] <wxl> here's a screenshot of steam in discover https://share.riseup.net/#-c9rS6hvbY55ht9H6scEaw
[06:28] <wxl> you might try closing discover and reopening it
[06:28] <wxl> you could also use muon
[06:29] <tbs> wxl: seems like ur my discover cant discover like urs :/
[06:30] <wxl> tbs: did you check the hashes of your ISO and also check the installation media for defects? if not, perhaps it's a faulty install.
[06:30] <tbs> wxl: i did
[06:31] <wxl> then it should just work. regardless, try muon instead. it will work.
[06:32] <tbs> wxl: there appaers a sentence, i use turkish so i ll try to translate it to e nglish for u tu understand
[06:33] <tbs> wxl: "be sure that you configured appstream correctly at your system"
[06:33] <wxl> hah wow that's new
[06:33] <tbs> i see this whenever i open  discover
[06:34] <tbs> but idk what to do
[06:35] <wxl> wow that is just bizarre
[06:35] <wxl> you could try reinstalling discover itself
[06:36] <tbs> hmm, from moon ?
[06:36] <wxl> `sudo dpkg-reconfigure plasma-discover` and/or `sudo apt reinstall plasma-discover` in terminal ought to do it
[06:37] <wxl> you could also try doing the same with the appstream package instead of plasma-discover
 `sudo dpkg-reconfigure plasma-discover` and/or `sudo apt reinstall plasma-discover` in terminal ought to do it          i did these but it s same
[06:40] <tbs> can u write full code about appstream package?
[06:40] <wxl> just replace "plasma-discover" with "appstream"
[06:42] <tbs> still same
[06:43] <wxl> what version of lubuntu are you on, out of curiousity?
[06:43] <tbs> 19.10
[06:45] <wxl> with discover closed, try running `appstreamcli refresh`
[06:45] <wxl> oh you may need to `sudo appstreamcli refresh`
[06:47] <tbs> i did need, an d it said " appstream doesn t need "frontram" update" im   notsure about tra nslate of "frontram"
[06:47] <wxl> ok let's get more aggressive: `sudo appstreamcli refresh --force`
[06:48] <tbs> (null) it said
[06:50] <wxl> that's truly bizarre
[06:50] <tbs> i didnt format /home partition  and just picked it again at with same  name, so some of my apps has somethings from previous apps, is this maybe also cuz of that?
[06:51] <wxl> depending on what the previous distro was, that could be anything from slightly problematic to completely disastrous
[06:51] <wxl> so, yes, most likely
[06:52] <tbs> i used mint xfce, i m usin g this n ow cuz xfce doesnt have arrange options for desktop icons and it auto arrange desktop icons at restrart an d i can t stop it...
[06:53] <wxl> oh my please do a fresh install
[06:53] <wxl> you're going to drive yourself crazy trying to resolve that mess
[06:54] <tbs> yes, it seeems i need to do that
[06:54] <tbs>  btw i like lubuntu really
[06:54] <wxl> i'm glad :)
[06:54] <wxl> and with that, i am going to sleep
[06:54] <wxl> best of luck to you and hope to see you around :)
[06:54] <tbs> are you perheps at lubuntu team ?
[06:54] <wxl> yeah that's me
[06:55] <wxl> (one of the team)
[06:55] <tbs> may i want something selfish_? :D
[06:55] <wxl> what's that?
[06:55] <tbs> do u know archman?
[06:55] <tbs> it s a distro
[06:55] <wxl> nope
[06:56] <tbs> they use arch as base
[06:56] <wxl> i gather that XD
[06:56] <tbs> i saw their lxde or lxqt desktop not offical but from oter members i guess at their store
[06:57] <tbs> i liked the way of that distro do som ethings they build at some ways
[06:57] <tbs> but it s not stable, needs somethin gs to repair i guess
[06:58] <wxl> well being based on arch there will be plenty of things that won't be compatible with the ubuntu ecosystem
[06:58] <wxl> and that is one of them XD
[06:58] <tbs> i wanted to ask that if u may check it so u may creat a theme or som ethin g like that smilar but better of them:)
[06:59] <tbs> give m e a m in an d i ll fin d adress
[07:00] <wxl> i guess that would depend on what specific thing(s) you want changed/added
[07:00] <tbs> i guessed u m ay wonder about that:D
[07:01] <tbs> btw it was openbox,  not lx ...
[07:01] <tbs> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/
[07:01] <tbs> but here we use openbox also i guess
[07:01] <wxl> openbox is our window manager. it could be almost anything.
[07:01] <tbs> well, idk much :/
[07:01] <wxl> openbox itself is pretty minimal
[07:03] <tbs> if u check this distro u can see ab out changing desktop, but it haves some bad ways too, i also liked left side tab
[07:04] <tbs> changing desktop i m ean  hmmm i can t remember  right word...
[07:04] <tbs> at most de we have it but they did it at a little different way
[07:06] <tbs> at left side bar there s an icon that shows all apps at desktop but it has bugs, it also devour desktop items which s not about app icons:D
[07:06] <wxl> you like the dock
[07:07] <tbs> i dont wait that u would do the same of them but i just wanted to show u an idea cuz after all distros i tried this s the one of the bests distro i could find
[07:08] <tbs> sorry to keep u here, good night sleep well ^^
[07:09] <wxl> you might try latte-dock
[07:09] <wxl> i've never bothered so ymmv
[07:10] <tbs> more likely i like transparant parted things to see more empty spaces i guess
[07:10] <wxl> https://kde.org/applications/utilities/org.kde.latte-dock
[07:11] <wxl> anyways off to bed i go! :)
[07:11] <tbs> sleep well^^
[09:30] <tbs>  "Be sure Appstream is properly installed"  this s the error message i get from discover, it seems this s a bug since 2 years ago but i couldn t find how to solve this. can  any one help me?
[09:31] <tbs> i reinstalled discover with synaptic and muon, i even reinstalled lubuntu...
[12:36] <hellsurfer> hello
[12:37] <hellsurfer> someone else?
[13:56] <tbs> Hello, how are you guys?
[14:33] <tbs> can anyone help me about changing apparance of lubuntu a little?
[14:58] <tbs> can anyone help me about customize apparence of lubuntu a little?
[16:21] <tbs> can anyone help me about customize apparence of lubuntu a little?
[16:56] <tbs> can anyone help me about customize apparence of lubuntu a little?
[20:48] <dzho> oh, gone
[21:12] <tbs> hello
[21:12] <tbs> anyone here?
[21:26] <kc2bez> Yes tbs I am here now.
[21:26] <tbs> kc2bez: how are you?
[21:27] <kc2bez> I am doing well.
[21:27] <tbs> good
[21:27] <tbs> well
[21:28] <tbs> may i ask u somethings?, it s okay if u feel bothered i wouldn t want to ask
[21:28] <kc2bez> No problem asking, this is the support channel.
[21:29] <tbs> maybe u are also here to get help...
[21:29] <kc2bez> No, I am here to help if I can. if I don't have the answer maybe someone else does.
[21:29] <kc2bez> !ask
[21:30] <tbs> i have a problem about discover, it s known bug it seems, i searched about it at net
[21:31] <tbs> even  before 2 years there was this bug im  facing now at discover app
[21:32] <tbs> when i open discover it says " be sure to configure appstream correctly on your system"
[21:32] <tbs> probably becouse of this i cant see some apps at discover...
[21:32] <tbs> can u help me? :/
[21:33] <kc2bez> That is a new one to me. Do you have a bug report to reference?
[21:34] <tbs> i didn t report anything
[21:34] <tbs> idk how
[21:34] <tbs> im kinda new at linux
[21:34] <kc2bez> No problem, I can walk you through the process.
[21:35] <tbs> but i like linux, i like this lubuntu for my pc too
[21:35] <tbs> thanks^^
[21:36] <kc2bez> For reference here is our wiki page on reporting bugs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[21:37] <kc2bez> To report a bug for discover here is the TL;DR process
[21:37] <kc2bez> Open a terminal and type in the command `ubuntu-bug discover`
[21:38] <kc2bez> Without the `` of course.
[21:38] <kc2bez> It should guide you from there.
[21:39] <kc2bez> You will need an account on launchpad.net so that you can get information as your bug moves along through the process.
[21:42] <tbs> "Please make sure that Appstream is properly setup on
[21:42] <tbs> your system"   i guess this s right translation, i use turkish so i translated sentence on my own before. i found this at web now
[21:42] <kc2bez> Not sure
[21:42] <kc2bez> I gave you the wrong command though.
[21:43] <kc2bez> It should be `ubuntu-bug plasma-discover`
[21:43] <kc2bez> plasma-discover is the proper package name.
[21:43] <kc2bez> Let me do a little searching.
[21:43] <tbs> yes, it is, i tried to do alot of things so i also know:D
[21:45] <tbs> i reinstalled it with muon+synaptic also reinstalled lubuntu 2 times, ofc i chacked lubuntu hash
[21:46] <kc2bez> appstream data comes from the internet so If thereis a network issue between you and the source that may be part of the problem.
[21:46] <kc2bez> You can use muon to install packages too.
[21:47] <tbs> i dont have in tern et problem, u know when u open  discover u see recommended apps, i also dont see them but when i search some apps i see list of apps, but i cant find some of them
[21:48] <tbs> i want to install steam, synaptic or muon doesnt help me...
[21:50] <tbs> kc2bez: ?
[21:50] <kc2bez> The recommended apps come from a list that is hosted here: https://autoconfig.kde.org/discover/featured-5.9.json
[21:50] <kc2bez> ah steam, that has a bit of a trick to it.
[21:52] <kc2bez> Before you install steam you need to issue in the terminal `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt update`
[21:53] <kc2bez> That enables the i386 architecture that steam requires.
[21:54] <kc2bez> You should be able to install the steam installer from there.
[21:54] <tbs>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+filebug/f85d140c-2c17-11ea-a586-0025b3df357a?
[21:54] <tbs> i dont have account
[21:56] <kc2bez> You can make one, just go to launchpad.net and in the upper right click log in / register
[21:57] <kc2bez> From there enter an email and select I don't have an Ubuntu One account
[22:02] <tbs> i feel half sich of creating accounts really :/
[22:03] <tbs> sick*
[22:03] <tbs> i n eed to write things at dark...
[22:06] <tbs> i need e-mail app at m y n ew system, it ll take a while...
[22:07] <tbs> which app u use for email?
[22:08] <kc2bez> Personally I use Thunderbird or a web client for the most part. I use Trojita for some stuff too.
[22:09] <tbs> i tried some includin g thunderbird, but cuz of some bad securty things emails has i couldnt enter them  via those apps
[22:10] <tbs> i ll try k mail n ow if it won t work i ll use web again with ICE, do u know ice?
[22:11] <kc2bez> Not really, no.
[22:11] <tbs> it s a good app, i suggest u to try it, since u help me this much
[22:11] <kc2bez> I will check it out, thanks.
[22:12] <tbs> are you at team of lubuntu?
[22:12] <kc2bez> Yes, I am part of the team.
[22:12] <tbs> do u know peppermint?
[22:13] <kc2bez> I have used it a couple of times but I am not as familiar.
[22:15] <tbs> ice is their app if i understood well, it s for using a browser for something spesific separate from main  browser app
[22:15] <tbs> forexample u have 2 hotmail mail, u cant sing 2 of them at same time so u can use this app for that
[22:17] <tbs> also this app makes page like full screen so it seems like an app itself for things like microsoft word, their primary  reason to do this app is for that i guess
[22:17] <kc2bez> Nice, reading up on it at their web page.
[22:17] <tbs> https://launchpad.net/~peppermintos
[22:18] <tbs> u can  download it from here
[22:18] <kc2bez> Thanks.
[22:18] <tbs> also i suggest u to check Advert Blocker app of theirs
[22:19] <kc2bez> I have one of those at my firewall but that can be handy on a laptop that isn't on your home network.
[22:19] <tbs> u guys may work or help eachother imo, what i see is sharing what makes linux bigger
[22:20] <kc2bez> From my experience there is a lot of sharing among all the distros.
[22:20] <tbs>  peppermint s good but i think lubuntu s better at someways
[22:22] <kc2bez> You are right, it is the best way to make it better for everyone. It isn't a competition really, the idea is to use what works best for you.
[22:24] <tbs> i installed kmail but it seem s it installed so much things that i dont need to my system :/
[22:26] <kc2bez> You may not need them but kmail does ;) It is the way it goes sometimes packages have many dependencies that are not on your system.
[22:28] <tbs> it eve n wants valled app... forcin g is not good really :/
[22:28] <tbs> i ll remove them all!
[22:47] <tbs> i deleted all kde stuff but it seems i did wrong:D
[22:49] <kc2bez> Well, some of the kde stuff is installed by default so if that got removed then, yes.
[22:51] <kc2bez> `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop` should bring back all the default applications.
[23:06] <tbs> kc2bez: are you here?
[23:06] <kc2bez> yup, still here
[23:07] <tbs> i did report, so what to do now?
 @tbs [<tbs> i did report, so what to do now?], greet the happy new year
 ❤️
[23:08] <kc2bez> Wait for some feedback :). There isn't much that can be done until someone analyzes the issue.
[23:09] <tbs> u know workspaces at desktop
[23:09] <kc2bez> Yes.
[23:10] <tbs> i can change them via a little app at panel
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> You are right, it is the best way to make it better for everyone. It is …], 👍
[23:10] <tbs> but i wan t to do it with not that little up, whenever i use m m ouse whell on panel i wanna change workspace
[23:11] <tbs> like i can do it on desktop
[23:11] <tbs> can  i?
[23:11] <kc2bez> Not that I know of.
[23:12] <tbs> well, i can i guess but idk how, i saw it at another distro
[23:13] <tbs> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/
[23:13] <tbs> at this
[23:13] <tbs> i also liked this distro but it s n ot stable...
[23:14] <tbs> that distro s what lead me lxqt an d so here
[23:14] <kc2bez> that can be an issue with arch
[23:14] <kc2bez> there is a keyboard shortcut to switch desktops
[23:15] <kc2bez> Super + F1-4 switch
[23:15] <tbs> yeah but i wan n a do it on taskbar like i can do it on  desktop
[23:16] <tbs> btw it s okay if u dont know, i m just asking and trying my chance
[23:16] <kc2bez> Yeah, I am not sure.
[23:16] <tbs> i also wan t to know how to put different wallpaper on differen d workspaces
[23:17] <tbs> at that distro i sent u there s those things i am mentioning
[23:18] <tbs> but like i said it s n ot stable, it s  not even from archman itself but fro m comunity, but i liked som ethin gs those guys did there
[23:19] <kc2bez> I am not sure how they are accomplishing that. It isn't possible with LXQt.
[23:20] <tbs> u r at team  of lubuntu, can u check it? :D so maybe i can learn it from  you?
[23:21] <tbs> do u know  last player mint use at 19.3 , how can i install it here?
[23:21] <kc2bez> I haven't used mint so I don't know.
[23:22] <tbs> Celluloid
[23:22] <tbs> how can i install this?
[23:25] <kc2bez> celluloid is the gym frontend for mpv. It used to be called gnome mpv
[23:25] <kc2bez> gtk not gym
[23:26] <kc2bez> autocorrect got me there.
[23:26] <tbs> so what if it s gtk fronted?
[23:27] <kc2bez> it doesn't really matter, I was just noting it.
[23:28] <tbs> so how can i in stall it?
[23:28] <kc2bez> Most of the applications we have are Qt so any gtk application will need to pull in those extra depenancies. standby let me look up the package name.
[23:29] <tbs> sure, thanks
[23:30] <kc2bez> sudo apt install gnome-mpv
[23:30] <kc2bez> smplayer is a possible qt alternative.
[23:31] <kc2bez> mpv has many different frontends.
[23:31] <tbs> well, i have read that Celluloid was gnome  mpv, but are they same now?
[23:32] <kc2bez> It seems like only a name change.
[23:33] <tbs> vlc s fine, but i wanted to try Celluloid too some  more, i tried it before lubuntu at i guess it s a little better than vlc but im not sure
[23:34] <tbs> will it be same with kmail if i in stall gnome-mpv?
[23:37] <kc2bez> If you do a `sudo apt install -s gnome-mpv` it will simulate the install and you can see what it will do.
[23:38] <kc2bez> The "-s" tells apt to simulate it.
[23:39] <kc2bez> muon will list the dependencies too.
[23:40] <tbs> it finished so fast, but i cant fi nd the app
[23:41] <kc2bez> it didn't actually install with the -s flag
[23:41] <kc2bez> it is a simulation
[23:41] <tbs> @@
[23:41] <tbs> it said use sudo apt autoremove so i used it
[23:41] <tbs> but it seem s it removes so m uch things!!!
[23:42] <kc2bez> autoremove does remove things yes
[23:42] <tbs> i may need to reinstall lubuntu again...
[23:43] <kc2bez> sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop if you think it removed too much.
[23:44] <tbs> it even  removing drivers, i guess that code wont be en ough
[23:45] <kc2bez> hard to say. I can't see what it is removing.
[23:45] <tbs> i thought sudo apt autoremove s for aotoremoving leftovers after removing an app...
[23:46] <kc2bez> it is.
[23:46] <kc2bez> extra kernel modules that are not in use, that sort of thing.
[23:47] <kc2bez> it is probably from the extra kde stuff that you uninstalled.
[23:47] <tbs> i don t have some apps now
[23:48] <tbs> like vlc and half of libre office apps an d som e graphic apps an d some m ore
[23:48] <kc2bez> they should reinstall with lubuntu-desktop
[23:49] <tbs> why only half or libre office apps? why not all?
[23:50] <kc2bez> I am not sure.
[23:50] <tbs> how can i install stea m?
[23:51] <kc2bez> [16:52] <fffffkc2bezBefore you install steam you need to issue in the terminal `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt update`
[23:51] <tbs> i did
[23:52] <kc2bez> ok then you should be able to sudo apt install steam-installer
[23:53] <tbs> i ll try after in stalling lubuntu desktop
[23:53] <kc2bez> ok
[23:54] <tbs> there s notifications thing on panel, how can  i delete it?
[23:55] <tbs> kc2bez: ?
[23:56] <kc2bez> what is the notification?
[23:56] <melodie> tbs sudo aptitude --purge inotify
[23:57] <tbs> well,  it shows some reports from some apps i guess
[23:57] <melodie> so what do you want to remove precisely?
[23:58] <tbs> i dont wa n na see that widget on  pan el
[23:58] <melodie> oui mais which widget???
[23:59] <melodie> what about "right click" on widget and "remove <widget> from panel" ?