[00:00] when i mouseover it it says " 4 unattended notification(s) " [00:00] You can disable the notifications [00:00] there s no option like that, like others have [00:00] right click on the icon [00:01] there s no option for disablin g it also, at least i cant fin d [00:02] i guess it s in a groub with wifi icon [00:03] in lubuntu? lxqt-notificationd [00:03] "status notifier plugin" i guess [00:04] yes [00:04] you can remove it from the panel. [00:04] i don t wanna lose all plugin [00:05] it should only remove the status notifier plugin [00:05] "it" ? [00:05] @tbs [ "it" ?], the action of remove [00:06] you could also disable the autostart of the demon. [00:06] lubot: i dont understand anything from HMollerCI [00:06] i thought u would continue saying somethings so i didn t ask:D [00:08] sorry [00:09] what is it? [00:09] there are 2 ways of removing notification [00:09] one is to disable the miniaplication, notifications will run but wont appear. [00:10] two? [00:10] The other option is to disable the demon (small app) that manage notifications. So no notiications will be "listened" when programs send it. [00:11] here is a link to the manual page for the panel which may also help. https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html [00:11] lubot: i wann a do "one " how to do? [00:13] right click on the panel select manage widgets select status notifier and hit the - button to the right. [00:13] then close the window. [00:14] that way i ca nt see wifi icons too, like i said i dont wan na lose all plugin [00:15] WiFi is a different widget [00:16] i did it again now an d wifi disappared, also quassel IRC icon was there and it disappared too [00:17] hmm, perhaps it isn't a different widget. [00:17] I stand corrected [00:20] that aside, with ur code it went so well, installing lubuntu-desktop kc2bez [00:21] ok good. [00:21] it s n ot perfect cuz it in stalled 3 m ore apps [00:21] try this for the notifications: [00:22] and i really dislike kwallet [00:23] from the menu go to preferences LXQt settings desktop notifications [00:23] in desktop notifications click advanced [00:24] then set unattended notifications how many to save to 0 [00:24] @@ [00:24] it worked [00:25] excellent [00:25] i thought that but also thoughht it wouldnt work:D [00:36] i tried steam now again, it doesn t work [00:37] did you get an error? [00:38] it downloaded somethings but i can t open it at the end [00:39] sorry, i needed to look something [00:40] no, it just doesn t open anythin g [00:41] a window appaers about updating steam, then it disappaers in 3 sec, then nothin g happen s after that [00:41] It might take a bit. [00:42] i downloaded file from steam web site and did same with it [00:42] so i don t think it ll lunch [00:54] thanks for help guys, good night and sleep well^^ [00:55] Good night === lubuntu is now known as Guest12640 [05:10] Is amarok okay for lubuntu 18.04? [05:12] it is available. and there are probably bug reports, did you look at them, yet? [05:13] no ... after i finish updating linux-firmware etc, i will go look for them [05:13] so available in the synaptic package manager means it's compatible? [05:14] while you use standard apt sources, yes [05:14] is there a music player you prefer? i am trying to organize my music library and add ratings (like the 5 star rating system) [05:15] though keep in mind that packages in "universe" are community maintained [05:15] i got used to windows media player and itunes decade(s?!) ago [05:15] so i got used to rating songs [05:15] i'm not the right person to discuss this with, don't use music players a lot. [05:16] (and i don't use lubuntu.) [05:27] sappheiros, amorak is Qt4 based; so isn't available for 19.10 or later so don't fall too in love with it. [05:28] * guiverc just realizes it was likely removed before 19.10; removed from debian in 2017 [05:30] ;( but i just installed it i thought [05:30] oh [05:30] you're saying it will be gone when i get a new computer? :( [05:30] i thought lubuntu switched to qt4 [05:31] I used to use it, switched to clementine (though I do like audacious for GTK+ environments; so it's my 18.04 Lubuntu choice); Lubuntu uses Qt5 from 18.10 up, GTK+2 (LXDE) in 18.04 [05:31] * guiverc clarifies, used to use it, as in amorak [05:31] wow, amarok's a pretty gorgeous player [05:31] or maybe i'm just tipsy [05:32] oh. [05:32] clementine hm? ... ... [05:32] Qt5 was released in 2012; amorak was never upgraded from Qt4 to Qt5 so it's in it's last days [05:33] * diogenes_ uses DeaDBeeF for ages and won't switch to another player. [05:33] oh. [05:33] thank you for this warning. [05:34] so amarok developers lost interest? [05:34] I don't know sorry [05:53] i'm guessing clementine isn't compatible for 32-bit 18.04? ... [05:54] heyyy there are 32bit versions [05:54] !info clementine bionic [05:54] clementine (source: clementine): modern music player and library organizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1.1build1 (bionic), package size 4359 kB, installed size 16994 kB [06:13] ooooooh clementine looks very nice [06:13] i use nvlc but i'm weird like that XD [06:17] https://www.codeproject.com/articles/109639/nvlc hmmmm [06:18] looks like a coding hobby to play music [06:18] like soem people build their own [other object] for fun [06:18] um https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/eoan/en/man1/vlc.1.html [06:19] oh. what. is nvlc a synonym for vlc in command prompt? [06:19] whyyyy [06:20] i gotta go to bed. :< [06:20] how to not need sleep any more [06:20] nope, it's a synonym for `vlc -I ncurses` [06:20] https://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Modules/ncurses/ [06:20] i like mate personally :) [06:24] @_@ [06:24] you [06:24] ^ [06:24] | [06:24] | [06:24] (my head) [06:27] sappheiros, for x86 I usually opt to use `cmus` (terminal based music player) [06:32] guiverc: neat, but ... hm ... i'll check it out, thanks [06:33] ok, new game: every time someone mentions a command line music player, sappheiros has to drink [06:33] * wxl sips french sparkling apple cider [06:34] * guiverc is jealous, no lovely apple cider [06:34] :( [06:34] * guiverc got to have some last night though (dec 31) [06:35] i was going to say, you should be well into the new year [06:35] yep, ~17:35 [06:35] lol [06:35] i'm not necessarily opposed to that idea ... ... but i do have to work tomorrow ... [06:36] any idea what gstreamer plugin clementine is vaguely saying i'm lacking? [06:36] i didn't say WHAT you had to drink [06:36] :o [06:36] if the devil's in the details, then you are a saint [06:36] heh [06:37] maybe i will give clementine gstreamer1.0-x to see if that'll make it happy -- or is it a bad idea to install packages unnecessarily? [06:37] or maybe i will RTFM of clementine [06:38] it isn't uncommon that media players want toms extra packages for different codecs and such [06:38] (basically i can't play the tracks in clementine's playlist) [06:38] and i keep. getting a firefox error saying my profile is missing wtf :( [06:38] i think -- "Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible." another thing to copy paste into duckduckgo+-google [06:39] i've seen that happen if you remotely store your profile [06:40] https://askubuntu.com/questions/302891/firefox-profile-cannot-be-loaded-after-upgrade seems to be me after installing updates ~60 min ago [06:40] except 18.04 [06:40] look at ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini [06:41] it's got text [06:42] sappheiros, re: streamer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats but I note my Lubuntu doesn't have the package it says to include; I can play all, but I do have gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly installed [06:42] you could try to interpret it or you can pastebin it and i could do it for you but first based on that answer, you should check to see if the permissions are right [06:42] i think it's synaptic package manager triggering this error message [06:43] the Locked=1 for the first one does seem suspicious [06:43] hum, the string before .default-release differs between blocks [06:43] yeah locked is not good [06:44] my body yawning is wanting me to sleep i think [06:44] body: "go to bed dammit" brain: "but computer is funnnnn" [06:46] "there, now it says unlocked=1 ..." (just kidding) [06:46] "that's why your computer's so slow -- it's running on all those 1's and 0's. change them to 9's and 8's ..." [06:47] wow, and no one has mentioned a single cli music player [06:47] >_o [06:47] whelp, gooooodnight and good year everybody [06:47] sleep tight [06:47] * wxl tucks sappheiros in [06:47] :3 <3 [07:45] hello, is there anyone? [07:51] kc2bez: hello, are you still here? so i can try to get m ore help? :) [09:12] hello, is there anyone? [09:23] tbs: Be patient :) [09:23] Ask your questions and idle here [09:23] You'll get an answer when someone can answer you [09:30] how can i install steam, i cant see it at discover, muon and synaptic gives errors and doesnt start install. [10:20] how can i install steam, i cant see it at discover, muon and synaptic gives errors and doesnt start install. [10:27] tbs - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=install+steam+on+ubuntu&atb=v174-1&ia=web [10:34] Ascavasaion: i also searched for it [10:35] but there s a bug when "veryfiying installation" so it cant start [10:48] tbs: Oh, then I don't know [10:48] Try asking in #ubuntu There are more people there, and I am pretty sue your problem is not lubuntu specific. [10:51] Ascavasaion: thanks for trying to help ^^ [11:33] tbs, no idea if this is helpful (re: steam), but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve [12:07] hello, how can i remove steam complately from system? [15:26] hello, how can i remove steam complately from system? [15:27] sudo apt purge steam [15:31] diogenes_: thanks, it worked^^ [15:33] btw do u know how can i run steam? it seems when i try to open it, it shows a window about veryfying installation than closes in 3 sec, then n othing happens, so steam doesnt opens [15:35] tbs, i don't use steam, only wine. [15:36] try to install steam through PlayOnLinux. [15:36] diogenes_: do u know maplestory? [15:37] nope [15:37] okay, it s a game, i just wan ted to try my luck :) [15:38] dw about it [15:38] you can play it through PlayOnLinux (maybe). [15:39] well, it s hard really [15:41] do u know about errror at discover? it says " be sure appstream configured right at ur system" and i can t see some apps there [15:41] diogenes_: ? [15:46] tbs, i always use synaptic. [15:48] diogenes_: okay, thanks ^^ [15:48] yw [16:47] hello, i need 32 bit dependences to install steam if i understand and remember right, can anyone tell me terminal code? [17:27] i found why i get error from Discover, it s cuz i use lubuntu with turkish language -.- i m trying now english installation and there s no error -.- so it s not an error actualy, it s something that make u force to use e nglish installation, i searched that bug at web and it seems this bug s living since 2 years at least. it s a known bug from past. but they dont solve this. i tried kde with manjaro, there wasnt this bug, but at ubuntu there is. i wonder [17:27] how much they care about other languages. cuz it s been at least 2 years or more.... [17:29] i liked lubuntu really but it seems it doesnt like me:/ [18:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cz75cMYHRM good presentation, i already respected to developers of lxde and lxqt [18:46] im back, i restarted lubuntu after making language turkish, and now i have bug on my discover ^^ [18:49] tbs: The best thing to do is make a comment on the bug you created yesterday indicating the issue is present with Turkish language. [19:13] kc2bez: i did it now, i hope they ll fix it [19:18] i watched that video [19:19] im not so good at english so i may understand wrong [19:20] are developers of lxde and lxqt are developers of lubuntu? [19:37] tbs: PCMan is responsible for driving LXDE, but stopped doing so when he came out with LXQt. there's really no one that works with both. [19:41] is that man who presents at video PCMan? [19:41] wxl: ? [19:41] yep [19:43] i like both kde and lx but i dont like to see kde apps at lxqt for some reason im not sure [19:43] regarding your turkish/discover issue, i wonder if it isn't somehow failing due to the lack of turkish translations in the appstream metadata. appstream can be a real pain as you'll see i've recently discovered: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/fake-firefox-in-app-store/646 [19:44] @@ [19:44] kde has been developing on qt for a long, long time. they tend to produce the most mature results [19:47] as he said, i also see black icon when i try to install deb files with Discover [19:47] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406654 [19:47] KDE bug 406654 in discover "Pointless "Make sure that AppStream is properly set up on your system" message" [Normal,Confirmed] [19:48] you should add to that and explain that it only happens with turkish [19:48] or at least it hapens with turkish but not with english [19:48] kc2bez said same and i added it [19:48] i think you mean your launchpad bug [19:49] yeah [19:49] this is the upstream bug tracker; the one that the actual discover developers use [19:50] do u mean i also should report about appstream? [19:51] no i mean you should go to the url i sent you, create an account there if necessary, and comment on that bug with your experience including the versions of lubuntu and discover you're using [19:51] ahh u mean here https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406654 [19:51] KDE bug 406654 in discover "Pointless "Make sure that AppStream is properly set up on your system" message" [Normal,Confirmed] [19:52] you might also want to include the results of `appstreamcli status` since that will show you do have appstream set up [19:52] yes [19:53] i also notice in comment 9 they find an error about one of the particular metadata pools.. i would urge you to open a terminal and run `plasma-discover` and see if you see any similar errors in the output in the terminal [19:53] now again i need to create an account, why dont u guys use something like disqus:D [19:54] well (a) disqus isn't open source and (b) you're talking about two totally separate bug trackers which are not run by the same "guys" (and girls!) [19:55] could you please link me to your launchpad bug, by the way? i want to connect these two [19:55] sure, give m e a min [19:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1858011 [19:58] Launchpad bug 1858011 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "Discover app bug, cant find some apps" [Undecided,New] [19:59] what apps (tell me as many as you can) can you find in english that you can't find in turkish? [20:01] and does it also tell you "please check your connectivity????" [20:02] i added google earth yday but it seems discover removed it when i checked at english installation [20:02] i don't think it was ever there, personally [20:02] but still steam s not there for turkish while english have, i dont know much app but im going to try some [20:02] n ow [20:02] you won't find non-open source stuff there, nor will you find stuff that is ONLY distributed by the developer (this is true for all of google's stuff) [20:04] btw now im checking it, i also see krita with both colored and black icon at same time [20:05] i'm looking for a good example i can find so i can investigate the appstream data as i did with VLC on that forum post [20:05] wow slipping into turkish is hard. everything changes order O_O [20:06] tell me if u n eed to translate somethings:D [20:07] i think i figured it out [20:08] btw just reminding, i dont see featured apps, it s empty for me [20:08] there s a sentence for their place " please check your connectivity" [20:10] yep that's the one [20:10] what s it [20:12] tell me also so i can correct with my system ur fixing methot [20:13] well i'm not fixing anything; just confirming and investigating your problem [20:13] hmm [20:13] well, i hope i could help u a little so with ur help others can fix this long term bug [20:14] so i can use linux easier^^ [20:16] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JNkJNcb9z7/ [20:17] ^ that's what comes out of running it in terminal [20:18] i'm pretty sure the kdeinit5 lines refer to failing to connect over http to the "featured" section [20:22] HAH! https://github.com/elementary/triage/issues/6 [20:22] that's NOT for discover but it's with another app store application with the same error AND it's turkish [20:23] and there's a related bug on the same app with the same issue and also turkish https://github.com/elementary/appcenter/issues/1161 [20:24] well, i dont know mu ch but the only couse i could found is changing languages, so my guess is some turkish words are not there to complate some new things, translate needs to be updated [20:24] btw, do u know peppermint? [20:24] peppermint os i mean [20:24] doesn't turkish necessarily mean using combining diacritics? [20:24] i don't really use peppermint or know much about it [20:25] i know of it [20:26] (aside: officially now i think turkish is the most amazing thing ever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_bird_language) [20:26] haha:D [20:26] seriously, that is amazing [20:27] yeah, where they talk like that s near my city, Rize people have good history with also hawk and hunting with it [20:28] i would love to go to turkey [20:28] where r u from [20:28] frankly, i'd like to go anywhere. the world is an amazing place. but turkey is pretty remarable. i actually have a teapot from turkey my wife's aunt got me [20:28] united states [20:29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_alphabet#Software_localisation <<< this might be our issue? [20:29] i have same idea as urs [20:29] btw we have diacritics, yes [20:32] like ş=sh , i think it s for making things easier [20:32] but unlike some other languages, i think all of the members of your alphabet are represented in individual unicode characters, right? [20:32] yep it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9E [20:33] harumph [20:34] idk about unicode, also i don t think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_alphabet#Software_localisation this case s a big problem [20:36] what i guessed about s not about letters but not complated translations [20:37] btw if u r really think about visiting turkiye i can help [20:39] about peppermint i wanted to sugggest u 2 apps there to try cuz u r in developers team here [20:39] ice and advert blocker app of peppermint is so good imo so i wanted to tell u about them [20:43] we don't include ad blockers by default in firefox but they're available [20:45] firefox is increasingly doing better at dealing with tracking https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enhanced-tracking-protection-firefox-desktop [20:45] that's bby default [20:46] and ice..... i'm not sure i'd want that to be a default thing. [20:47] by default? i also thought some ads i dont see i should have at firefox, i guessed this may be something n ew [20:47] let m e introduce u these two:D [20:47] yeah firefox is ALWAYS working on improving how it deals with privacy and tracking [20:48] ice s creating a realy good way for securty [20:48] with it u can open different firefoxes like they are at different pc [20:48] from start [20:49] with that forexample if u login ur google account with one ice, with ur normal firefox google cant track u [20:49] can track u sure but not ur email [20:49] this is my first time using irc [20:49] wellcome [20:50] welcome cevacineva [20:50] thanks [20:50] i use ice for my bank account, and emeails [20:50] tbs: google can track your ip though :) [20:50] yeah but actually i dont use much google:D [20:51] most companies that have log in systems and logs can track your ip. correct me if i am wrong [20:51] realistically anyone can [20:51] i just wanted to give an example, it sure "can" but we shouldnt make it easy for it [20:51] by accepting most terms of service you're necessarily allowing them to track you [20:51] but they're doing it in a "quiet" way that your browser can't protect you from [20:52] i have both outlook and hotmail i use for years [20:53] u know u cant log in both of them at same time, with ice u can:D [20:54] ice also make page like a fullpage app, it makes browser games looks better [20:54] i can see the value of it, but i don't see it as a "requirement" per se [20:55] u r right [20:55] i already didn t think u ll like it so much, i just wanted to show u somethi ng unique in all i saw cuz u r in team of developers here [20:56] thanks for that :) [20:56] ab out Advert Blocker, it blocks adverts starting from system [20:57] u know probably ads plugings at browsers increase their ram usage about %10 or more [20:57] advert blocker s a good idea for that meter i guess [20:59] here's the appstream data for steam http://appstream.ubuntu.com/eoan/multiverse/metainfo/steam-installer.html [20:59] compare to vlc http://appstream.ubuntu.com/eoan/universe/metainfo/vlc.html [21:00] note that under the "Name" there's a "tr" version for vlc, but there are no translations whatsoever for steam [21:01] i also guessed it after i saw english discover doesn t have problem [21:01] well, i'm guessing that's somehow related to the issue [21:01] i ca n use english desktop, b ut it s n ot comfortible [21:01] i have a theory that the problem may lie with the metadata on the featured ones [21:02] u know stea m needs 32 bit thin gs, right? [21:02] in an ideal world, anyone should be able to usee lubuntu regardless of their language. that is certainly a goal for us. we have a whole "globalizatoin" team [21:02] yeah. that fact created quite a controversy [21:03] if u can tell me how to do in stall it, i can try it with english system to install than con vert to turkish [21:04] well if you're using discover i guess the first step is converting to english -_- [21:05] ah i see discover can't handle it anyways [21:06] `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386` [21:06] you need to do that first [21:06] then discover should work (if you're using english) [21:07] okay, wait some mins, i ll come back after restart [21:07] you don't need to restart [21:07] this isn't windows after all :) [21:08] im now using turkish system [21:09] so i should restart first, right? [21:09] you can just log out and log back in to swap languages [21:11] that was fast [21:11] btw nothing happened with this sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386, just wanted my pass and done [21:11] yep [21:12] that's the necessary part so now you can just install the steam-installer package [21:12] and now discover runs with n o bug -.- [21:12] wait [21:12] in turkish??? [21:12] no, i chan ged to english, i said [21:13] im going to install steam via discover then [21:13] ok [21:13] yep [21:14] why u guys use ubuntu but not debian itself? [21:14] i n eed som e tim e to download steam so i can ask things:D [21:15] the stable version of debian is behind the stable version of ubuntu; that's one of the major reasons ubuntu exists [21:15] what ab out rolling? [21:16] i read that it s not bad [21:16] i have read* [21:16] that's never been a model for ubuntu and given that it's based on debian which is also not rolling, it's extremely unlikely we'll ever see it [21:16] lxqt team s at lubuntu [21:17] lubuntu is ubuntu [21:17] but forexample manjaro has lxqt too [21:17] so are 2 lxqt desktop same other than ubuntu and arch? [21:17] i'm not sure i understand your question [21:18] or are you guys impruving things for mostly ubuntu? [21:18] i m ean im pruving lxqt desktop E [21:19] well our goal is ultimately to ensure that "lubuntu" works well together. when that involves a problem affecting lxqt overall, we do that work upstream with lxqt [21:23] b tw, i could install an d start steam-.- [21:23] just need to remember my pass:) [21:23] i can't help you with that XD [21:23] also i just remember, mint s also based on ubuntu, but doesnt have steam problem [21:24] the "problems" with steam started in 19.10. there's no mint version based on that yet. [21:24] mint is behind ubuntu [21:25] ahh [21:26] i ll recover steam pass tmorrow [21:27] well, i have now account at lubuntu web site [21:28] which one? XD [21:29] https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/fake-firefox-in-app-store/646 [21:29] finally found [21:30] this one u wanted me to comment about my bug report, right? [21:31] oh not that one :( [21:31] @@ [21:31] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406654 [21:32] KDE bug 406654 in discover "Pointless "Make sure that AppStream is properly set up on your system" message" [Normal,Confirmed] [21:34] ahh, i won dered why that ubottu shows that message so many times [21:35] i dont wanna create another acccount... [21:35] i feel like suggesting a n ew thin g to u :D [21:36] probably won't work XD [21:36] since u can develop, pls develop an app like disqus so we wont need to create this man y account:D [21:36] still won't matter. it's a matter of everyone accepting it which is unlikely [21:37] yeah, u r right [21:37] now there s only one step left but even u cant help me( pass of steam) [21:38] while u r here [21:39] lubuntu icon s one of the bests imo [21:39] i like how lubuntu looks [21:39] i dont like charging icon at right side of panel [21:39] thanks XD i have nothing to do with it, though; i usually take whatever comes X'D [21:40] ahh [21:40] i remem bered an other question [21:40] u know workspaces [21:41] with its widget on panel if u use mouse whell u can change desktops [21:42] i saw at archman os community release of openbox, i could change desktop with mousewhell on task manager widget [21:43] also those 2 desktops has different wallpapers [21:43]