[00:31] <robertparkerx> I'm not sure but I need help with znc. I'm using mirc and I created a remote script to catch the notice sent by znc when you connect. It doesn't seem to trigger.
[00:40] <OerHeks> mirc .. you need help from #windows.
[00:50] <Gerowen> Question Ubuntu users.  Does su -c work on Ubuntu like it does in Debian, or does it fail because it tries to run as the literal root user, which is disabled in Ubuntu?
[00:52] <matlock> It fails for me. I use $ sudo bash -c "echo 'hello'" instead.
[00:54] <OerHeks> sudo -i # would be preferred
[00:58] <EriC^^> Gerowen: how is it failing? are you putting a command after su -c?
[01:00] <Gerowen> I'm not using Ubuntu, I'm using Debian and writing an installer script for a personal little Python project, and wasn't sure if su -c worked on Ubuntu since by default, Debian does not have sudo, and in Ubuntu, root user is disabled.
[01:00] <Gerowen> I was just curious.
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Gerowen: "-c, --command COMMAND
[01:01] <Bashing-om>            Specify a command that will be invoked by the shell using
[01:01] <Bashing-om>            its -c."
[01:27] <elgooooooooG> gday all can anyone tell me if i can disable one of my three monitors (the one connected via hdmi) and what i should google to learn how?
[01:28] <elgooooooooG> not getting results or not sure of what to follow up-many thanks and happy new year
[01:29] <elgooooooooG> Linux n 5.0.0-37-generic #40~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Nov 14 12:06:39 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:31] <elgooooooooG> if anyone could tell me if this would work would be great https://askubuntu.com/questions/366813/disable-second-non-existent-screen-from-command-line
[01:31] <elgooooooooG> obviously id be looking for hdmi
[01:38] <elgooooooooG> okay if anyone is curious 'xrandr --current allowed me to see what devices i have
[01:39] <elgooooooooG> and xrandr --auto && xrandr --output (devicenamehere) --off allowed me to disable the monitor
[01:45] <elgooooooooG> my next question is will this change be persistent/or remain only till i reboot
[01:45] <EriC^^> elgooooooooG: temporary
[01:46] <elgooooooooG> EriC^^, thanks champ how could i make it persistent/what should i google
[01:46] <OerHeks> there is a button too, but you cannot reach it with your mouse
[01:47] <elgooooooooG> OerHeks, are u having a laugh(joking)
[01:49]  * elgooooooooG laughs uncontrollably at himself and tries to remember the rational for wanting to do it the hard way
[01:49] <OerHeks> yes, for 18.04 with systemd, write a proper service file like this to a script to turn it off https://askubuntu.com/a/1194293
[01:50] <OerHeks> and the last part shows how to disable that service too
[01:50] <elgooooooooG> thanks OerHeks =)
[01:50] <elgooooooooG> and EriC^^
[01:50] <OerHeks> have fun!
[02:14] <elgooooooooG> thanks again OerHeks just waht i needed, it remedies two problems that using my finger did not, much appreciated
[02:15] <jhutchins> What are the rules for cleaning up old kernels?  Is there a config file for how many to keep.
[02:16] <jhutchins> Is a pae kernel 32 bit?
[02:18] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: The package is "unattended-upgrades" See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Configure_Unattended_Upgrades_to_Remove_Unneeded_Kernels_Automatically
[02:21] <jhutchins> Bashing-om: Thank you.
[02:21] <jhutchins> Some distros are "always keep", some are "keep this many", some are "never keep".
[02:23] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: ' sudo apt autoremove ' should remove all but the latest 2 kernels.
[02:24] <jhutchins> Ah, I should do that.
[02:24] <jhutchins> Multi-upgrade from 2012 LTS.
[02:25] <jhutchins> Looks like it's probably a 32b system, so I'll have to schedule a rebuild at some point.
[02:25] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: I do not use unattended-upgrades; To remove old kernels I run 'sudo apt --purge autoremove ' to also remove the old config files.
[02:26] <jhutchins> Ah, this might help, removing 224 obsolete packages.  THis may take several hours.  (Well, no, but might take a little now.
[02:27] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: 12.04 IIRC did not support "autoremove". Likely that you will have to remove the old kernels manually :(
[02:28] <jhutchins> Y'know what? I can do that.
[02:28] <jhutchins> We are now upgrading 2014 to whatever's next, 2016 I presume.
[02:30] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: Year/month ... so latest LTS release is 19.04 == 2019. April.
[02:30] <OerHeks> 2020
[02:31] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: Yikes ! LTS latestis 18.04 !
[02:31] <Bashing-om> !releases
[02:40] <IcemanV9> -72-generic is BAD for my laptop (X1 Carbon); mouse/touchpad was useless. lucky, i used m$ button to open the terminal to reboot manually. had to use option at bootup to use -70-generic instead. is there a way to make -70-generic default?
[02:41] <IcemanV9> i'm on 18.04, btw
[02:42] <jhutchins> Bashing-om: I believe LTS updates every two years.
[02:43] <jhutchins> Observing 12->14->16(?)->presumably 18.
[02:43] <OerHeks> 18.04 + HWE gives me 5.0.0-37-generic
[02:44] <IcemanV9> indeed. 12.04 -> 14.04 -> 16.04 -> 18.04 -> 20.04 (soon)
[02:44] <jhutchins> We broke auto-login at 12->14, but I think I recall that the method of configurng it changed around then.
[02:44] <Bashing-om> jhutchins: confirmed. current LTSs 16.04 and 18.04 with 20.04 releasing 2020 in April.
[02:44] <IcemanV9> cool!, OerHeks
[02:45]  * jhutchins puts a recurring note in his calendar to upgrade every two years.
[02:45] <DarkTrick> Ubuntu 19.04: during opening two files in Meld (diff tool) and focussing the window I get a very high CPU load
[02:46] <OerHeks> ifs a high cpu load during a diff bad?
[02:46] <DarkTrick> checking with flamegraph reveals, that the process "swapper" spends very long times within kernel.kallsyms
[02:46] <DarkTrick> is that usual?
[02:46] <DarkTrick> OerHeks, the file has about 40 rows. I would not expect a (constantly) high CPU load
[02:48] <OerHeks> i do, it is not bad, but if it makes your system unresponsive..
[02:49] <DarkTrick> OerHeks, not unresponsive; why would it be usual that the CPU load rises so high? (about 60 - 80%)
[02:50] <jhutchins> DarkTrick: A cpu at 0.5% isn't giving you much for your money.
[02:52] <DarkTrick> jhutchins, that's the wrong direction I guess. I mean, why would the a process require so much effort from the cpu? And even if, I would expect Meld (the ran application) to have a high load. instead "swapper" seems to be busy...
[02:53] <jhutchins> DarkTrick: I don't know the specific programs, but are you swapping?
[03:00] <abhijithnraj> hello
[03:09] <DarkTrick> jhutchins, I wouldn't think so. I keep my computer untouched. Only the program is focussed
[03:10] <DarkTrick> jhutchins, let me ask this way: if the program does a lot of IO (for whatever reason), might that be reflected in another process (i.e. swapper)?
[03:14] <tboat> Hello, are Bionic update servers having issues? I am getting 503 errors when trying to update on Ubuntu Server LTS 18.04
[06:38] <A31017HT> hello speak russian?
[07:36] <Pegasus> Happy New Year! May 2020 bring you half of the problems and the double of happiness!
[07:38] <sid21g> Hello am on Ubuntu, the screen brightness does increase only sometimes while sometimes it doesnt? Does it have to do with the input voltage?
[09:25] <hcwool> hey everyone. posted this question 12 hours ago or so, sorry for the duplicate. my trackpad on my razer blade stealth stopped working in my 18.04 installation yesterday after being fine since i bought it (2017). the trackpad works fine from a live USB and also fine in my windows dual boot, so i'm not really sure what went wrong and how i should go
[09:25] <hcwool> about debugging it.
[09:36] <ryuo> hcwool: did you update the kernel recently?
[09:36] <ryuo> or some other software.
[09:36] <hcwool> ryuo i don't think so
[09:36] <ryuo> it's likely either a configuration issue or a software regression.
[09:36] <hcwool> is there anyway i could check or roll back?
[09:36] <ryuo> apt log files.
[09:37] <hcwool> i also did some digging, in my /proc/bus/input/devices file my trackpad shows up with event16
[09:37] <ryuo> i would check what xinput reports for cursor inputs.
[09:37] <hcwool> but in my xorg log files it shows up as event11
[09:37] <hcwool> on the liveusb those two events are the same
[09:37] <hcwool> but maybe that's okay?
[09:38] <ryuo> hcwool: try running xinput without arguments.
[09:39] <hcwool> the trackpad does show up there
[09:42] <ryuo> hcwool: could poke around in /var/log/apt
[09:42] <ryuo> particularly the history files
[09:43] <ryuo> if you know when it last worked
[09:43] <ryuo> course, updates have been rather slow so it may just be a configuration issue.
[09:43] <ryuo> depends when it all started
[09:43] <hcwool> okay
[09:44] <hcwool> will take a look, will need to dc and reconnect. see you in a bit
[09:44] <ryuo> but, if nothing was updated software wise in that time period
[09:44] <ryuo> then it's probably a configuration issue
[09:44] <ryuo> assuming it's not some rare issue that's hard to reproduce.
[09:45] <ryuo> hcwool: it's not often done anymore, but you can always try manual configuration of X11. sometimes that can be helpful if automatic stuff fails you for some reason.
[09:46] <hcwool> ryuo: how is that done?
[10:09] <hcwool92> ryuo: so i didn't find any explicit upgrades
[10:10] <hcwool92> but i saw this line that was like
[10:11] <hcwool92> actually hang on that was just a version number
[10:11] <hcwool92> damn
[10:24] <Trevor_B--> yo
[10:24] <Trevor_B--> happy new year everybody :)
[10:39] <juanonymous> any suggestion for a good and easy to install bitorrent on a ubuntu 18.04 vps?
[10:44]  * jesopo scoots around on the floor
[10:45] <Ben64> juanonymous: deluge
[10:46] <juanonymous> i am having a problem installing it thoug, i cant seem to run it
[10:51] <juanonymous> i am following these steps https://wpcademy.com/how-to-install-deluge-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[10:59] <Ben64> oh don't use ppa
[11:15] <repozitor> http://dpaste.com/0XP1ABK
[11:15] <repozitor> any knows how to fix it?
[11:20] <ducasse> repozitor: is this ubuntu 14.04?
[11:21] <repozitor> yes
[11:21] <ducasse> that is eol, and not supported here. you can get commercial support from canonical.
[11:23] <juanonymous> Ben64: so how do i remove ppa then?
[11:23] <juanonymous> just apt-get remove deluge
[11:23] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[11:30] <juanonymous> thanks tomreyn
[11:31] <juanonymous> Ben64: what is the default port for deluge-web?
[11:31] <ducasse> juanonymous: 8112, iirc
[11:32] <juanonymous> so by just removing for example, the ppa
[11:32] <juanonymous> and then uninstalling deluge
[11:32] <juanonymous> ill just have to run sudo apt install deluge deluge-web
[11:32] <juanonymous> and then http://mydomain.com:8112
[11:32] <juanonymous> and it should work?
[11:33] <ducasse> it should, yes
[11:53] <CoolerZ> hey
[11:53] <CoolerZ> python3 is currently 3.6.9
[11:53] <CoolerZ> I want the latest python3
[11:53] <CoolerZ> TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'capture_output'
[11:53] <CoolerZ> that isn't supported in 3.76
[11:53] <CoolerZ> 3.6
[12:04] <juanonymous> i guess, this won't work after all
[12:04] <juanonymous> traffic is not allowing it to 8112
[12:28] <dreamon> want to start a programm and see what file access is going on.
[14:03] <kraiskil> How do I tell apt to download packages one at a time? Looks like it starts all downloads at once now.
[14:05] <jeremy31> kraiskil: use apt-get?
[14:06] <kraiskil> jeremy31, ok I'll try. Here I thought it was the same binary :p
[14:06] <jeremy31> kraiskil: There are a few differences, apt also has a progress bar
[14:09] <kraiskil> nah, looks like apt-get gets them all at once too
[14:10] <Kumool> yeah, looked at the manpage and theres no option to limit connections
[14:11] <kraiskil> Found this https://www.ethicalhackx.com/speed-apt-get-update-parallel-downloads/ but need to dig out how to unset this parallel download :D
[14:42] <kraiskil> man apt.conf tells me it is impossible :( Options are to connect to each host in parallel, or all URIs in parallel. Oh well...
[14:43] <tonyt> Happy New Years
[14:49] <corshmock> Does anyone ever experience an issue where their mouse pointer can move freely around the screen, but the left and right buttons stop responding?  I've tried different mice and I've also had this issue on different Distros.  Log off and log back in again seems to solve it as a workaround but it would be nice to have a proper fix.
[15:14] <GuiToris> hello, I need a little help. I'm inspecting midnight commander's directory hotlist (ctrl \) and I don't know the difference between 'insert' and 'append'. Could you tell me?
[15:25] <SrPx> this is the one thing that I need to uninstall my windows for good: https://superuser.com/questions/1513918/is-there-any-remote-desktop-solution-with-hardware-gpu-acceleration
[15:26] <SrPx> it is available for windows but not for linux, at all. if anyone ever develops such a thing, please let me know, I'd buy that aggressively
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year everyone :-)
[15:36] <SrPx> happy new year!
[15:36] <SrPx> moved the post to askubuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1199949/is-there-any-remote-desktop-solution-featuring-hardware-acceleration
[16:24] <corshmock> Happy New Year!
[16:50] <jhutchins> I am curious about why kubuntu uses sddm or lightdm instead of kdm.
[16:55] <BlueShark_> Hi. I installed Windows 10 on my PC and then tried to do a UEFI installation of Ubuntu 18.04. If I change the boot priority, I am able to boot into Ubuntu. Otherwise, by default, Windows 10 loads up when the PC is powered on.
[16:55] <BluesKaj> systemd?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> jhutchins,^
[16:56] <BlueShark_> I ran `sudo os-prober` and it did not have any output, which I guess means it did not find any OS.
[16:56] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: HP laptop?
[16:56] <BlueShark_> I did `sudo update-grub` as well, but nothing changed.
[16:56] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Nope. It's a PC.
[16:56] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: But HP
[16:56] <BlueShark_> None of the components are HP, no.
[16:57] <BlueShark_> I disabled fast startup from Windows, shut it down properly, disabled Fast Boot from BIOS as well.
[16:58] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Have you gone into UEFI and changed the OS boot or whatever so that ubuntu has priority?
[16:58] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Where do I do that?
[16:58] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: post URL for>   efibootmgr | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:00] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 `EFI variables are not supported on this system.`
[17:00] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: URL>  sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:01] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 https://termbin.com/21o2
[17:02] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: are you booted into ubuntu now or a live usb?
[17:02] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Windows is installed using EFI and Ubuntu is in Legacy mode
[17:02] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ I am booted into Ubuntu now.
[17:02] <EriC^^> yeah, +1 on what jeremy31 said
[17:03] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Oh, how did you identify that?
[17:03] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: first efivars isn't loaded, 2nd you have a bios_grub partition which is required for legacy+gpt
[17:03] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: EFI variables not supported in Ubuntu, but your drive has EFI system partition
[17:04] <BlueShark_> OK. What's the cleanest way to fix it?
[17:04] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: if you can fresh install it'd be best and easiest
[17:04] <EriC^^> boot a live usb, make sure its in efi mode (ls /sys/firmware/efi) delete the ubuntu partitions and let the installer do its thing
[17:05] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: disable Legacy/CSM in BIOS
[17:06] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: the key thing here is to run "ls /sys/firmware/efi" after you boot the live usb, to make sure uefi mode was used (it should return dirs and not say file not found)
[17:06] <EriC^^> alternatively if you get a black/white grub screen instead of the nice menu in the middle, that means uefi mode was used
[17:09] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ "boot a live usb, make sure its in efi mode " - how do you boot a USB in EFI mode?
[17:11] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 That alone will fix the issue?
[17:11] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: sometimes you can set that in the bios, sometimes there's a one time boot menu you can access, it might say USB - blabla, and UEFI USB - blabla , choose the latter
[17:11] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Better to reinstall with Legacy/CSM disabled
[17:12] <BlueShark_> Last time, I booted up a live USB and used GParted to create the necessary partitions.
[17:13] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: yeah i figured cause the bios_grub is a whopping 200+MB when it only needs to be 1mb
[17:13] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ "let the installer do its thing" - if I do that, I'll lose the Windows 10 installation, correct?
[17:13] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: But when you booted the ISO it had a Ubuntu logo with a message about starting in x seconds
[17:13] <BlueShark_> jeremy31 Yes, it did.
[17:13] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: Install alongside Win 10 works
[17:13] <EriC^^> BlueShark_: no, it should offer the option "install alongside windows", just make sure you delete the ubuntu partitions before starting the installer
[17:14] <EriC^^> choosing to "reinstall ubuntu" might erase the whole disk, at least it did in 14.04 dunno if they fixed that
[17:14] <jeremy31> as long as the installer is booted in UEFI
[17:14] <BlueShark_> Newer versions have this? Or does this feature only work for EFI installations?
[17:14] <EriC^^> what feature? alongside windows?
[17:14] <BlueShark_> Because I've never seen this "Install alongside windows" thing before in any of the installs I've done before.
[17:15] <EriC^^> it's been there for a long time actually
[17:15] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: I don't think it worked in 14.04 with Win 8 in UEFI but it was fixed
[17:15] <BlueShark_> Oh. It shows only when you boot as EFI?
[17:16] <EriC^^> no, in all modes efi and otherwise
[17:16] <jeremy31> BlueShark_: If windows is installed in the same mode as Ubuntu ISO is booted
[17:16] <EriC^^> as long as it detects windows and there's free unallocated space, it'll give the option, itll use that space and install next to windows
[17:17] <bestinket> hi
[17:17] <bestinket> cal -h shows error
[17:17] <EriC^^> hello
[17:17] <bestinket> what's the right cmd
[17:17] <EriC^^> bestinket: what error? paste
[17:17] <bestinket> https://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucal.htm
[17:18] <EriC^^> bestinket: paste the error you're getting i mean
[17:18] <bestinket> https://bpaste.net/I7NQ
[17:19] <EriC^^> bestinket: type "cat /etc/issue" and paste
[17:21] <bestinket> how do i display march of 2012 ?
[17:22] <bestinket> cat /etc/issue
[17:22] <bestinket> Ubuntu 19.04 \n \l
[17:23] <ioria> bestinket, 'cal 3 2012' does not work ?
[17:23] <bestinket> why not cal -m 3 -y 2012
[17:23] <bestinket> I'd like to use full options to understand them so i can use more
[17:24] <bestinket> whenever i use options i use them wrongly and get errors
[17:24] <BlueShark_> EriC^^ So if I use install alongside windows, would I not be able to specify whether I would like a separate /home partition etc.?
[17:35] <bestinket> cal -A 2 -B1 2012 ; shows error
[17:35] <ioria> bestinket, cal -h (not working) ; ncal -h (works)
[17:36] <bestinket> even cal -w doesn't work
[17:36] <ioria> use ncal
[17:38] <Malgorath> Anyone able to help me figure out why every few minutes my computer just stops responding for about 5 seconds, like keyboard everything locks uip
[17:38] <Malgorath> Just fresh installe 19.10
[17:38] <bestinket> if cal is a symlink to ncal, then it's using cal the same as using ncal?
[17:38] <bestinket> I am trying to understand UNIX here, not cal
[17:38] <bestinket> and developing the habit of reading manuals
[17:39] <ioria> bestinket, different layout
[17:39] <bestinket> but if something is a symblink then ...
[17:39] <jhutchins> lightdm is failing to start after upgrading from 12.04 to 18.04.  Not giving a whole lot of info either.
[17:40] <bestinket> isn't symlink like alias
[17:40] <jhutchins> bestinket: Yes, pretty much.
[17:41] <bestinket> jhutchins: then why cal -h; and ncal -h show different output that was what i wasa thinking
[17:53] <jhutchins> bestinket: No real knowledge, check the manpage for ncal.  Programs can detect how they were called and adjust their behavior.
[17:54] <ioria> bestinket, still looking, but appear a permission issue
[17:54] <ioria> bestinket, cal  fails to call /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gconv/gconv-modules.cache
[17:56] <jhutchins> lightdm wants to install all of gnome
[17:58] <NewToLubuntu> would anyone know how to find out what might cause around a delay of monitor flickering on startup that lasts around a minute?
[18:06] <FORDRDNK> anyonehere use ubuntu touch?
[18:21] <jhutchins> When I try to enable auto-login with sddm in kde, it prompts me for a password, but doesn't accept either the current user password or the root password.  What is it looking for?
[19:35] <weskrasko> Hello all! Hoping someone can help me fix my Ubuntu 19.10! Have dual boot, 1 SSD has 19.10, the other has Windows 7. Windows 7 boots, says both SSD's smart checks are fine. No issues. fsck from live cd says ssd is fine, gparted from livecd says partitions are there, I can mount them. It was working fine the other day, went to boot today and no matter what it just gets stuck at the screen with the dots (loading Ubuntu). If I try it in rescu
[19:35] <weskrasko> e mode, I get a bunch of failures.
[19:35] <weskrasko> Seems the SSD itself is fine but something got messed up on last reboot or update?
[19:37] <weskrasko> I should say it was yesterday it started. Trying to fix today.
[19:37] <weskrasko> But I had been in Windows for about a week.
[19:43] <nikolam> I wonder why Youtube video in Firefox has problems playing, while in the background, Steam is updating it's games?
[19:43] <nikolam> 19.10 here
[19:44] <nikolam> I see that ZFS is doing writing operations on ZFS mirror (HD's ) where I have put Btrfs-formatted ZFS volume, mounted under /Steam to be used for Steam
[19:47] <nikolam> Hm, maybe because I requested gzip-9 compression on that zfs volume, that I use for Steam..
[19:48] <nikolam> But iven it were using large cpu time for compression.. shouldn't that be doing in the background , and not staling Firefox cycles, so I don't have choppy video and sound in the meantime?
[19:48] <nikolam> Real bad real-time, even if I am using lowlatency kernel.
[19:53] <weskrasko> Anybody? I mean I guess I could backup data from live cd and do a fresh install, but that breaks my record! lol. I have had this Linux system running for like 15 years now! Changed hardware, moved to other drives, this is the first break I can't fix.
[19:54] <matlock> Nothing comes to mind without seeing the errors.
[19:54] <weskrasko> I can get you the errors. I'm updating my live cd now, in a few minutes I can try booting rescue and get a pic/screenshot
[19:54] <matlock> Have you tried just leaving it alone for a bit, maybe see if it's just a stuck boot process?
[19:55] <weskrasko> I left it for about 20-30m yesterday. I can try longer. I came back to a blank screen it did move past the boot/splash anyways
[19:56] <weskrasko> Burn is about 60% done (in Windows burning latest 18.x, if I have to re-install I'll stick with LTS!)
[20:01] <matlock> That should be long enough to rule out that. Post the errors so we can see them, there might be something there. I would probably end up imaging partitions with Clonezilla and then rebuilding the drive.
[20:19] <CoolerX> hey
[20:19] <CoolerX> how do I update python?
[20:20] <CoolerX> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade didn't update it
[20:20] <CoolerX> python3 is still python 3.6.9
[20:21] <CoolerX> the latest version is 3.8.1
[20:22] <ioria> there is no python 3.6.9 on ubuntu
[20:22] <CoolerX> ioria, what?
[20:22] <CoolerX> ubuntu 18.04
[20:22] <CoolerX> yes it has python and python3
[20:23] <CoolerX> python3 on my system is currently 3.6.9
[20:23] <ioria> yes, but no -6.9
[20:23] <CoolerX> I am not sure what you are trying to say
[20:24] <weskrasko> WTF? It booted to login this time, but its locked up there for now
[20:24] <ioria> !info python3 bionic
[20:24] <CoolerX> huh?
[20:24] <CoolerX> that is weird
[20:24] <CoolerX> $ python3                                                                                         Python 3.6.9
[20:25] <CoolerX> I don't think I installed python3
[20:25] <CoolerX> I did install miniconda
[20:25] <CoolerX> but that has it's own python inside environments
[20:25] <CoolerX> maybe it also installs python3 for the entire OS
[20:26] <CoolerX> ioria, can you check on your system?
[20:26] <ioria> what ?
[20:26] <CoolerX> which version you have
[20:26] <ioria> the one i linked
[20:26] <CoolerX> huh
[20:27] <CoolerX> can apt-get or apt-cache tell if you installed it using apt?
[20:28] <Ben64> what happens if you do "python --version"
[20:29] <ioria> he probably installed from source
[20:29] <CoolerX> https://askubuntu.com/questions/423355/how-do-i-check-if-a-package-is-installed-on-my-server
[20:29] <Ben64> python though? i would imagine that would break quite a few things
[20:29] <CoolerX> Ben64, that is the python 2 version
[20:29] <CoolerX> ioria, I didn't install python, I installed miniconda
[20:30] <ioria> !info miniconda
[20:30] <CoolerX> it doesn't work like that
[20:30] <CoolerX> https://docs.conda.io/en/latest/miniconda.html
[20:30] <CoolerX> the installer is a bash script
[20:31] <weskrasko> Guess I should just backup and re-install? Totally frozen from input on login. SLOWLY faded to screensaver. No mouse or keyboard, I can't even do an REISUB. It's like all of udev is screwed. That was the error by the way multiple failures of trying to start "udev Kernal Device Manager"
[20:31] <seere> CoolerX: which python3 binary are you starting? Try "which python3"
[20:32] <CoolerX>  /usr/bin/python3
[20:33] <CoolerX> which python gives /usr/bin/python
[20:33] <CoolerX> which python3 gives /usr/bin/python3
[20:33] <CoolerX> $ python                                                                                   Python 2.7.15+
[20:34] <CoolerX> $ python3                                                                                  Python 3.6.9
[20:34] <ioria> they are just symlinks
[20:34] <CoolerX> if I activate a conda environment then it switches things
[20:34] <CoolerX> $ which python                                                                      /home/user/anaconda3/bin/python
[20:35] <seere> CoolerX: that would be expected.
[20:35] <seere> CoolerX: and calling /usr/bin/python3 gives which version?
 $ python3                                                                                  Python 3.6.9
[20:36] <CoolerX> ioria, how do I resolve the sym links?
[20:36] <seere> CoolerX: Check and call it as /usr/bin/python3 please.
[20:36] <ioria> CoolerX, are you serious ?
[20:37] <CoolerX> seere, I did
[20:37] <CoolerX> just now
[20:37] <CoolerX> and it gave that version
[20:37] <EriC^^> readlink -f /file
[20:37] <CoolerX> $ /usr/bin/python3                                                                         Python 3.6.9
[20:38] <CoolerX> $ readlink -f /usr/bin/python                                                              /usr/bin/python2.7
[20:38] <CoolerX> $ readlink -f /usr/bin/python3                                                             /usr/bin/python3.6
[20:41] <seere> CoolerX: by any chance - did you install it from source or from a PPA?
[20:41] <CoolerX> seere, I didn't install python
[20:41] <CoolerX> I installed miniconda
[20:42] <seere> CoolerX: did you ever use root or sudo when doing so?
[20:42] <CoolerX> I think the miniconda script may have required sudo
[20:42] <CoolerX> don't remember
[20:42] <CoolerX> actually no
[20:43] <CoolerX> I was able to install miniconda on a server that I didn't have sudo on
[20:43] <seere> CoolerX: it's weired that your /usr/bin/python3 is a 3.6.9, which isn't in the 18.04+Updates repos.
[20:43] <Ben64> it's because it's installed from the script thing
[20:43] <Ben64> who knows how or what it actually did
[20:44] <CoolerX> Ben64, well you can read the script
[20:44] <dozor> I believe that both python2 and python3 come installed on Ubuntu 18.04
[20:44] <ioria> its not an ubuntu pkg. period
[20:44] <seere> CoolerX: anayway, the heighest python3 version for 18.04 from official repos is 3.6.7+patches.
[20:44] <seere> dozor: I think we can bet on that.
[20:44] <Ben64> CoolerX: yeah i'm not gonna do that
[20:44] <CoolerX> seere, why? 3.8 has been out for years
[20:45] <Ben64> !latest
[20:45] <CoolerX> Ben64, that was not the point, I mean it is open source
[20:45] <Ben64> CoolerX: well you can read it
[20:45] <CoolerX> yes
[20:45] <CoolerX> anyone can
[20:46] <dozor> CoolerX 18.04 is a long term support release and aims to be stable, so won't have the latest Python version.
[20:46] <seere> CoolerX: stability of the package system, unfortunately nowadays some sort of pain.
[20:49] <Aavar> How can I install deluge 1.3.* on ubuntu 19.10?
[20:50] <Aavar> I tried with a source install. It works, but not as it's supposed to...
[20:50] <OerHeks> Eoan give deluge 2.x
[20:52] <Aavar> OerHeks: I know, that is the problem. 2.x is not compatible with 1.3...
[20:52] <CoolerX> seere, but it has been out for years
[20:53] <Ben64> Aavar: so don't use 1.3
[20:54] <seere> CoolerX: and the repos have some thousend packages on top of their released python version. It's not about stability of python3 itself, but about the fragility of these packages and their dependencies.
[20:54] <Aavar> Ben64: I hope you are joking right now? I do have a reason for not using 2.0... Just FYI ;)
[20:54] <Ben64> Aavar: which is...?
[20:55] <Aavar> Ben64: For starters, the current version in 18.04 LTS is 1.3.
[20:55] <OerHeks> ..not compatible, interesting.
[20:55] <Ben64> Aavar: so install 18.04?
[20:55] <seere> CoolerX: the whole thing about LTS is the promise of stable APIs over it's lifetime.
[20:56] <Aavar> Ben64: yes... I will reinstall my entire system for a package... that's what i'll do. Troll.
[20:57] <Ben64> you chose the latest version of ubuntu without checking to make sure things you wanted would work, that's not my fault and doesn't make me a troll
[20:57] <OerHeks> Aavar, sure, do that, for your special incompatibality
[20:58] <Aavar> OerHeks: It's not all that special if you think about it...
[20:58] <Aavar> Ben64: thank you for your help :D
[21:00] <seere> .oO(python 3.8.1 - Release date: 2019-12-18 - he said "available for years")
[21:00] <OerHeks> 3.6.7 + security patches equals 3.8 , just not the new features.
[21:03] <weskrasko> Hey all, I'm just backing up and will re-install. Is SMART status enough to know my SSD is still ok though?
[21:03] <Aavar> How can I run a graphical application as a different user?
[21:04] <OerHeks> weskrasko, smart is a good indicator, yes
[21:04] <weskrasko> Thanks!
[21:05] <jeremy31> weskrasko: gsmartmon shows a lot more info on SDD's than SMART results through Disks program
[21:06] <weskrasko> How do I run that? I'm in Disks in Live CD, Disk looks fine but it's not showing much.
[21:07] <weskrasko> Does report incorrect temp (94C!, Windows said 31C like the other SSD), and says 13 bad sectors
[21:07] <weskrasko> Or maybe that's correct temp and thhe problem? I don't know
[21:07] <weskrasko> But I'm backing up my files off it right now no problem.
[21:09] <jeremy31> weskrasko: My SDD shows 40C in gsmartcontrol
[21:14] <weskrasko> Im in live cd, not there, trying to install says it's not available
[21:16] <deadrom> hi
[21:18] <deadrom> want my NVidia K1100M (roughly a GTX760) to play and scale HEVC 4K in hardware with mpv, but doesn't happen. 18.04. discrete GPU on a Dell mobile workstation, BISO set to use only that. 3D works, binary nvidia driver. I hear I need some other driver, "glamoregl" or such?
[21:36] <weskrasko> Ugh, gsmartcontrol shows 90C too an bad sectors reallocated. Guess I'll grab a new drive. :(
[21:39] <jeremy31> weskrasko: what is the raw value for wear levelling?
[21:40] <weskrasko> 436
[21:41] <weskrasko> 13 reallocated bad sectors, 22 event count, 94C
[21:41] <weskrasko> Those are the highlighted values
[21:41] <jeremy31> Does it show SSD life left
[21:43] <weskrasko> Not seeing that anywhere. I'd run the tests but want to get my data off it first. If those temps are correct, that's scary.
[21:43] <deadrom> how do you even get an ssd up to 90C? m.2 in a notebook?
[21:45] <weskrasko> No, this is in a Desktop with fans and water cooled CPU! No idea
[21:45] <weskrasko> But Windows app (Crystal something) said 31C so I'm not sure that particular value is correct.
[21:45] <weskrasko> I would think I'd have a fire by now, lol.
[21:47] <jeremy31> I wonder if the value reported is in Fahrenheit
[21:47] <jeremy31> 31C = 87.8 F
[21:48] <weskrasko> Disks shows 94C / 201F
[21:49] <weskrasko> I mean, my Windows 7 is on a 1TB SSD, I suppose I could just carve a section of that for Ubuntu... will have to give that some thought too.
[21:50] <weskrasko> I have a normal HDD for storage
[21:50] <weskrasko> So you think this SSD is shot? What's the wear levelling mean?
[21:52] <EriC^^> weskrasko: 13 reallocated bad sectors sounds bad
[21:57] <jeremy31> weskrasko: wear levelling is how much has to be moved to keep use even
[21:58] <weskrasko> It is an older SSD. So my 1TB is newer, and higher end (Samsung 850 Pro vs PNY that's dying)
[21:58] <EriC^^> weskrasko: can you pastebin "sudo parted -ls" ?
[21:59] <weskrasko> I'm thinking I'll just carve out a space in that. But, I have 100GB unallocated at the end of it. Why would that be? Somehow I recall following a guide that may have told me to do that.
[21:59] <EriC^^> or if you know which disk it is, sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:59] <EriC^^> replacing sdX with your disk name
[22:04] <weskrasko> Hardly use this, where's the link?
[22:04] <weskrasko> Said guest paste created but don't see a link
[22:05] <EriC^^> weskrasko: hmm, do you know the disk name for the ssd? sda sdb etc?
[22:05] <weskrasko> Maybe this: https://pastebin.com/raw/jqru2y4w
[22:05] <weskrasko> Yeah, it's the first one listed there, /dev/sda
[22:06] <EriC^^> weskrasko: ah cool, type "sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:07] <EriC^^> it should give a link back to the pasted output
[22:07] <EriC^^> share it here please
[22:07] <weskrasko> https://termbin.com/9u4f
[22:08] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: OH! "SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability." :)
[22:09] <EriC^^> nice :)
[22:12] <weskrasko> SMART keeps passing but I thought any bad sectors indicated it could go at anytime? One of those bad sectors must be preventing me from booting it. Guess I just shouldn't trust the drive now? Not sure what you're looking for/at in that output, but I have to leave for a while for dinner plans. Will check back.
[22:12] <weskrasko> And thanks all!
[22:15] <jeremy31> weskrasko: sounds like the last SSD that failed on me
[22:19] <EriC^^> weskrasko: apparently you should try to do a secure erase on the ssd, but whatever you do don't use hdparm to do that as you might brick it, if you cannot do a secure erase, then you can probably get away by doing a dd "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda"
[22:19] <Rhorse> H, I can't play  Amazon or Google movie content on Chrome. Chrome components don't mention widevinecdm. Firefox works ok with the same content. Any advice please?
[22:19] <EriC^^> weskrasko: the ssd manufacturer utilities might have a secure erase feature
[22:21] <jeremy31> weskrasko: If it has failed it may have gone read only
[22:36] <Rhorse> Hi, I can't play  Amazon or Google movie content on Chrome. Chrome components don't mention widevinecdm. Firefox works ok with the same content. Any advice please?
[22:36] <OerHeks> i am sure chrome can do that, chromium probably not without the widevine plugin
[22:37] <Rhorse> It keeps giving an error about DRM. I have DRM content checked in settings.
[22:39] <OerHeks> maybe amazon needs these tweaks, user agent https://www.maketecheasier.com/watch-netflix-hulu-amazon-prime-ubuntu/
[22:41] <Rhorse> Thanks, I'll check it out...
[23:29] <snufft> Hi everyone :)  I'm trying to get into an old 14.04 VM (VirtualBox, Win 10 host). The GUI side of things has disappeared completely and when I boot it, the cli login flashes up, then goes black/disappears, then flashes up again, over and over.  The keyboard is active for the brief moment that I see the CLI login, but that's it, so I can't
[23:29] <snufft> successfully type a password in.
[23:30] <snufft> I don't even know where to start with this one. It used to boot the gui login, but I don't know what's happened to that or how to re-enable it when I can't evne log into the cli. Would anyone be able to give me some things to start Googling? I'm quite lost at the moment with where to even start.
[23:33] <OerHeks> login in recovery mode and save your data, 14.04 is EOL dead
[23:38] <snufft> OerHeks thanks for the reply. That's what I'm trying to do at the moment. Once I've got the data off it, it'll be blown away :)  If I try and log in via recovery mode using the minimal graphics options, I can't seem to get anywhere. For example if I choose to reconfigure,  regardless of if I choose to use backed up settings, or default settings,
[23:38] <snufft> the screen just refreshes and gives me the same options again. I can read the xserver log files, but don't really know what I'm looking at just yet and if I review startup errors, the log is empty. I also can't edit the config file, it just does the same screen reloading thing.
[23:39] <snufft> So all of my falesafeX options when logging via recovery mode, are broken in some way.
[23:40] <OerHeks> maybe it is the .Xauthority thing that bug login
[23:40] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/436925/ownership-of-xauthority-transferred-to-root
[23:40] <OerHeks> remove it, it will be generated
[23:41] <OerHeks> * on login
[23:45] <snufft> I've removed it for that user using recovery console as root, but I've rebooted and I still have the flashing, so can't log in as that user anyway. If the cli side of things is doing this, is it still an Xserver issue?
[23:47] <OerHeks> hard to guess