 @wxl [<wxl> ^ there's a fun job for you @The_LoudSpeaker — get rid of all of those (an …], Noted. I will add it to to-do list.
 @WHenJokersAttack [<WHenJokersAttack> workaround found: "install along another os" and resize the o …], That's a very very ugly hack. What's the need for such a workaround?
[07:39] <lynorian> that is still an install fail bug if reproduceable
 Link to the bug. I'd like to try to reproduce it in a vm.
 I want to try an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, but the lxde to lxqt upgrade tips aren't in the current manual anymore. I think we should include it agian for pepaole who will want to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 with a strong reminder that's not supported. What do you think @lynorian ?
 @HMollerCl [I want to try an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, but the lxde to lxqt upgrade tips …], +1
 it ask for a replacemente in etc/systctl.conf
[18:16] <wxl> heh looks like kde wants to copy a kvantum theme https://phabricator.kde.org/T10891
 Standup?
[21:23] <wxl> oh ho
[21:23]  * guiverc dodm
[21:23] <wxl> !standup
[21:23]  * guiverc didn't realize it was a friday (my local)
[21:25] <guiverc> o/
[21:26] <wxl> seems like that may be all of us
 o/ ( driving, I will be here in about 10 minutes closing parenthesis
[21:27] <wxl> got anything to say, guiverc ?
[21:27] <guiverc> not for meeting, for you when you have a free time I'll go over testcases with you & issues (not now, next week is probably best; cold/flu thingy now)
[21:28] <guiverc> You can pick the when, I'll do my best to fit in..
[21:28] <wxl> yes that sounds fine with me. meanwhile i wish you much health and more koalas :(
[21:28] <guiverc> :)  esp. at koalas
 10 minutes works for me too
[21:29] <wxl> also we need to check to see about that complaint up there about the daily failing to create the partition
[21:30] <wxl> so i guess i'll wait the ten minutes :)
[21:30] <guiverc> which one?   leok & I get on specific hardware?
 I tested a virtual box install on EFI and had success
[21:31] <wxl> maybe it's bios
[21:33] <guiverc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1851188 ?
[21:35] <wxl> that sounds right yes
[21:37] <guiverc> (I believe i tried xubuntu & ubuntu; no issues on that box; alas I didn't comment in bug report so I can do again if useful -- i'll have commented on iso.qa.ubu but I'd not know how to find there easily)
[21:37] <wxl> i see it's been reported many times http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1851188
[21:38] <guiverc> but I test on a what I consider similiar box (hp not dell) & no issues... 
[21:38] <wxl> i note that reporter claims to have the issue with efi too
[21:39] <wxl> sounds like the issue only exists if a previous partition exists
[21:39] <guiverc> I haven't had any issues on my uefi ultracrap thingy; but it's my only uefi
[21:40] <guiverc> Yep - my conclusion too
[21:40] <tsimonq2> Alright, I'm here.
[21:41] <wxl> so yeah i think if we could all jump on that and investigate further, it would be helpful
[21:41] <guiverc> possibly of note:  that box has dead battery; could a BAD battery (invalid data) be possible cause?  I tried setting time before a test as I recall
[21:41] <wxl> i think since we can say it's not happening with ubiquity, calamares is most likely to blame so i'll triage it accordingly
[21:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: Nope.
[21:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: kpmcore.
[21:42] <wxl> wellllllll
[21:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: I just adjusted that as such.
[21:42] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I think it has to be a kpmcore thing/
[21:42] <tsimonq2> s/
[21:42] <tsimonq2> argh you get it
[21:43] <tsimonq2> Well, can we reproduce this?
[21:43] <tsimonq2> How certain are we that the drive they're trying to install it on isn't dead?
[21:43] <wxl> well they did bare metal and virtual on multiple devices
[21:44] <wxl> AND nio confirmed it
[21:44] <tsimonq2> Ouch.
[21:44] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[21:44] <wxl> brb
[21:44] <gsilvapt> howdy guys o/
[21:45] <kc2bez> Oh geez, I did my test on a fresh VM, I will look a bit further too.
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Hey gsilvapt! Long time no see!
[21:46] <gsilvapt> hey, tsimonq2. Happy New Year! :) long time indeed
[21:46] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: You should totally start contributing again. ;)
[21:47] <guiverc> o/ gsilvapt 
[21:47] <gsilvapt> That's why I'm here. Not sure if you have been following the discussions on the forums but yea, I'm curious
 @HMollerCl [I want to try an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, but the lxde to lxqt upgrade tips …], Yes I still have a branch with old versions saved for those purposes
[21:47] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Are you around to do some infra work?
[21:48] <kc2bez> I am.
[21:48] <gsilvapt> Plus, since I spent the last two years working on my software development skills, hopefully some of that will be useful here :) 
[21:48] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: I'll admit I haven't been as of lately.
 nice to see you back gsilivapt
[21:48] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Cool. I'd like to remove Bionic from CI now.
[21:48] <gsilvapt> thanks, lynorian :) 
[21:49] <kc2bez> Ok, let me know what you need from me tsimonq2
[21:49] <gsilvapt> After Ubucon Portugal and Ubucon Europe, I knew my place is a bit more technical. I just never dedicated too much time to it. I guess I have to be more patient this time :) 
[21:49] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: I'll put this in a Phab document as I go along, but I'll let you do the majority of the work so I know this is documented correctly.
 did you get burned out on documentation?
[21:50] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: We'll be patient with you if you stick around, definitely. :)
[21:50] <kc2bez> Ok thanks tsimonq2
[21:50] <gsilvapt> tsimonq2, definitely not your fault :) 
[21:50] <tsimonq2> kc2bez, gsilvapt: No worries. :)
[21:51] <gsilvapt> lynorian, I wouldn't say burned out. I want to contribute to the distro itself and I feel more motivated that way
[21:51] <wxl> welcome gsilvapt :)
[21:51] <gsilvapt> I need all those packaging links again, tsimonq2 :D
[21:51] <gsilvapt> I have some reading to do 
[21:51] <gsilvapt> wxl, thanks! 
 I'm online now
[21:52] <wxl> @tsimonq2: the error involves an sfdisk command. might not be kpmcore after all.
[21:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: Maybe, maybe not. Try checking for new changes in the past week or two in the package that provides sfdisk.
[21:53] <wxl> tsimonq2: we do have a new major version of kpmcore in focal, fwiw
[21:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: If it's a change in the sfdisk package, it might be kpmcore using deprecated arguments or something similar.
[21:53] <kc2bez> kpmcore provides sfdisk
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Oh, really?
[21:53] <wxl> oh ho
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Well, there we are.
[21:53] <kc2bez> libkpmcore8 specifically
[21:53] <tsimonq2> My next step would be to check the diff.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpmcore -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpmcore/4.0.1-2 -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/448902540/kpmcore_3.3.0-5_4.0.1-2.diff.gz
[21:54]  * guiverc thinks (if workable) you create a few commands that I can test on a daily to confirm/disprove theories maybe?  ie. boot daily, execute commands, try calamares?  useful?
[21:54] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Correct, but I'm not sure we're at that stage yet.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> I'm curious what got this to broke.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> Perhaps kpmcore is a build-time library for Calamares and when Calamares got updated recently, building against the new kpmcore fu'bared it.
[21:55] <wxl> possibly related https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1170
[21:56] <wxl> two scary words: "race condition"
[21:56] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/3.2.17.1-0ubuntu1 <- yeah, that was recent.
[21:56] <tsimonq2> My next step is looking at the build logs for 3.2.17.1-0ubuntu1 and 3.2.17.1-0ubuntu1^ to compare kpmcore build versions.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> Nope, RikMills ncr'ed it, and we have the new kpmcore.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> Get:459 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu focal-proposed/universe amd64 libkpmcore8 amd64 4.0.1-2 [574 kB]
[21:58] <tsimonq2> That was working before.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> So it has to be in Calamares itself. The timeline fits.
 What did I break?
[22:00] <kc2bez> I uploaded on the 26th
[22:00] <kc2bez> I think you are off the hook @RikMills
[22:00] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Nothing in particular, actually the opposite.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Can you *consistently* reproduce this?
[22:01] <guiverc> Yep..  (on one box)
[22:01] <tsimonq2> Nice, okay.
[22:04]  * guiverc has started daily zsync - i'll test it again (~15-20 mins); bet they'll be an extra entry in wxl's list given earlier..
[22:05] <wxl> looks like [ade] is working on it https://github.com/calamares/calamares/commit/743530607282334d9f2b1f0b7cd4731306ee3fe5
[22:09] <wxl> maybe we could do no-change rebuild against the kpmcore 3 api?
[22:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's technically a change. :P
[22:12] <tsimonq2> wxl, guiverc: Discussing with [ade] in #calamares; I'd appreciate it if both of you could help coordinate with me there.
[22:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: looks like manjaro can "fix" the problem doing as such https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1174
[22:12] <tsimonq2> guiverc: One potential solution is to try uninstalling os-prober prior to the install; if that does the trick, let me know.
[22:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: Oh yeah?
[22:14] <kc2bez> Trying another install on an EFI VM right now, will report my findings.
[22:14] <guiverc> tsimonq2, will do  -- I'll start doing nothing, then apt remove os-prober, want me to logout/login before starting calamares again?
[22:14] <tsimonq2> guiverc: No need.
[22:14] <guiverc> start - as in normal install.  thanks
[22:14] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Thank *you*!
[22:15] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: The first step when you have a chance is to remove "bionic" from this list: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/browse/master/ci.conf$7
[22:16] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Also do a manual check of the entries below to see if we have any manually-overridden releases that specifically are there to exclude Bionic.
[22:16] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: I see one of them. :)
[22:17] <kc2bez> You mean the one at the top?
[22:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so since the fix is going to come from cala, ultimately, i'm going to reassign
[22:18] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Yeah.
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL055fb7996dc9: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL055fb7996dc9
[22:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ack.
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Lugito is back.
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9db654ecb75c: Add note on why to give description] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9db654ecb75c
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Prepare for the associated spam. ;)
[22:18] <wxl> oh no
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Oh yes.
[22:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T56: Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56#2829
[22:19] <kc2bez> Calamares releases "focal", "eoan"
[22:19] <tsimonq2> Yep, just make sure to keep the brackets. :)
[22:19] <tsimonq2> Wait.
[22:19] <tsimonq2> Yeah, just remove that line.
[22:19] <tsimonq2> I catch your drift now.
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb11d617cd05a: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb11d617cd05a
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGc0bc4051350c: Package Calamares for new upstream release.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGc0bc4051350c
[22:20] <kc2bez> btw no issues with my VM install.
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL623a25726a89: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL623a25726a89
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbfffbc8c280a: Actually explain what Alternatives configurator does in summary] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbfffbc8c280a
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL16769e378efb: Add Printers icon description] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL16769e378efb
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf5a905b5035a: Minor reword] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf5a905b5035a
[22:21] <wxl> @kc2bez: see here for tips on trying to reproduce https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1170
[22:21] <kc2bez> wxl: ack
[22:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7b8015ebc6f1: Minor reword] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7b8015ebc6f1
[22:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETAd5fbbc481817: Added lubuntu-grub-theme and fonts] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAd5fbbc481817
[22:22] <guiverc> current daily, check disc for defects good, test install on box & sfdisk failure  (reproducable)
[22:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1c9c333e5424: Reword order of section] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1c9c333e5424
[22:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL072b90b98a99: Describe icon for screensaver] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL072b90b98a99
[22:23] <wxl> good
[22:24] <wxl> so now try it again but first twith os-prober removed
[22:25] <wxl> so when did we want to do this standup again? XD
[22:25] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:25] <tsimonq2> I don't really have anything.
[22:26] <guiverc> os-prober caused calamares to be removed too :(  (ps: box is in another room)
[22:26] <wxl> oh fooey
[22:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: Updated the infra doc to include instructions for poking Lugito SO Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO BOTHER ME ANYMORE.
[22:26] <wxl> yeah it's required
[22:26] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:26] <tsimonq2> Aw man.
[22:26] <kc2bez> XD
[22:26] <wxl> ok so nevermind the os-prober thing
[22:27] <wxl> there's the whole `udevadm settle` thing but the way it sounds to me, that's someone stepping through the code
[22:27] <wxl> let's just leave it i think
[22:28] <wxl> ok so i'll do some stuff
[22:28] <kc2bez> tsimonq2: just to confirm you want me to remove the hardcoded releases for calamares and bionic from the default releases.
[22:28] <wxl> been having fun with appstream https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/fake-firefox-in-app-store/646/2
[22:28] <wxl> tl;dr discover shows multiple versions of packages because the appstream metadata (you know, the universal metadata) is all screwed up, even within the same developer
[22:29] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Correct. Anything manually specified by a package is overriding the default that's at the top. If you just remove bionic from the top, the manual override for that specific package is redundant.
[22:29] <wxl> somehow curiously appstream (i think) is also to blame for this discover bug that seems to be specific to turkish https://bugs.launchpad.net/discover/+bug/1858011
[22:30] <wxl> i was digging deeper into that and the MDB_BAD_VALSIZE error is one from LMDB (which i admit i didn't even know about) so might have to do somehow with storage of data. i still don't get how.
[22:31] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: So, CI regenerates jobs every night (or so) using that configuration. Now it won't actually apply any configuration changes or such to Bionic, and it won't trigger any Bionic builds, but (once that's committed and pushed) we need to manually purge the leftover jobs.
[22:31] <wxl> guiverc and i are still working on new testcases; hopefully we'll get the big chunk of them installed asap https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[22:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Transfer testcases to the actual testcase branch: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56
[22:31] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: When you're ready for that, let me know.
[22:32] <wxl> i dug back up the problem with the runner shortcut and i'm still waiting from @The_LoudSpeaker to make the upstream issue (i think) https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[22:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Fixed runner's default shortcut.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[22:33] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: When you're ready, all* of our packaging documentation is here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/
[22:33] <tsimonq2> (And in sub-pages, of course.)
[22:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATA60a37238eef6: Remove bionic from ci.conf] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATA60a37238eef6
[22:33] <wxl> someone revealed that the compose key (and other xkeyboard-config options) are not easy to set in lxqt https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-set-up-compose-key/514 so i made an upstream issue
[22:33] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: CI commit> LGTM, nice work.
[22:34] <wxl> and most importantly, i helped install @The_LoudSpeaker as Lubuntu Developer Number Four!!!!!!!
[22:34] <wxl> the only question remaining: who will be the final member of the top five????
[22:34]  * wxl pokes @HMollerCl
[22:34] <kc2bez> ^
[22:35] <kc2bez> ready for the next step tsimonq2
[22:35]  * tsimonq2 joins wxl in poking @HMollerCl
[22:35] <wxl> in other news i'll point out i saw this bug in eoan and focal about pulse switching automatically to hdmi audio which most folks have on modern machines but rarely do they use it by default.. this may be the cause of some sound issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1847570
[22:36] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Go ahead and SSH into the infra and tmux attach, I'll be waiting with an open tmux window. :)
[22:36] <wxl> that's all i got
[22:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: I've experienced that before and I loathe it.
[22:36] <wxl> gsilvapt: come in here and ask ANY questions about packaging. there's a bunch of us that can help out. feel free to telegram if you prefer. 
[22:36] <tsimonq2> ^^^^
[22:36] <tsimonq2> We're here to help.
[22:37] <wxl> although we all have our own opinions on how to do things
[22:37]  * tsimonq2 kicks wxl for keeping trailing whitespace in changelogs.
[22:37] <tsimonq2> grr
[22:37] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:38] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Okay, so I'll let you do the work but I'll keep an eye on things.
[22:38]  * wxl lifts tsimonq2's leg up as it extends towards him, thereby flipping him over into a confused mess on the floor
[22:38] <kc2bez> ok
[22:38] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Go ahead and lxc shell into the jenkins container
[22:38] <wxl> anyone got anything else for the standup?
[22:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: Or that thing you can do to literally kick someone's butt. XD
[22:39] <wxl> heheheh only you simon XD
[22:40] <kc2bez> I don't have much to add, uploaded cala obviously ;) not too much other than that.
[22:40] <wxl> OH SO IT"s ALL YOUR FAULT
[22:41]  * kc2bez hangs head
[22:41] <kc2bez> yup
[22:41] <wxl> :) couldn't have known
[22:41] <kc2bez> I know I was only half taking blame
[22:42] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: su jenkins, pwd to see where you are (for reference's sake), and cd into jobs (ls after)
[22:43] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: (Should have said ~/jobs, oops.)
[22:43] <kc2bez> yes
[22:43] <kc2bez> jenkins doesn't have any permissions at root ;)
[22:44] <tsimonq2> ;)
[22:44] <tsimonq2> We're in /var/lib/jenkins as the jenkins user, which is where we need to be.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> ~/jobs has one directory per job with config etc.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> Basically, cd into ~/jobs and rm -rf *bionic* XD
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Whenever you're ready to pull the trigger, go for it
[22:48] <kc2bez> ok that looks better
[22:49] <tsimonq2> Definitely.
[22:49] <wxl> gsilvapt: one other thing i'll mention is that we now have developers kind of spread out across time zones so you don't have to be in the us to find some help :)
[22:50] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Go ahead and log into https://ci.lubuntu.me/
[22:50] <kc2bez> already there
[22:50] <tsimonq2> You *should* have the permissions to do this. Maybe. If not I'll tweak it.
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[22:52] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Can you see this? https://ci.lubuntu.me/manage
[22:52] <kc2bez> yup
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Reload configuration from disk
[22:52] <tsimonq2> And then once that's done, remove the two bionic views
 I'm online again
[22:53] <tsimonq2> Hey Hans!
 Hey
 What's up?
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Submit your developer application. XD
[22:55] <kc2bez> How exactly do you remove the view? I can see them but I don't see where to remove them.
 Jajjajj
 I need to study first
[22:55] <wxl> you already did your studies!
[22:56] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Edit view on the left pane
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Er.
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Right below that.
[22:56] <kc2bez> I found it
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[22:57] <kc2bez> There we go
[22:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALda1d05ddb057: Another minor wording fix] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALda1d05ddb057
[22:57] <tsimonq2> Sweet.
[22:57] <tsimonq2> One last thing.
[22:58] <kc2bez> go
[22:58] <tsimonq2> For each of the PPAs, remove all of the Bionic packages.
[22:58] <tsimonq2> The catch is, if you remove more than like 20 at once, it times out, and you have to check all the boxes again.
[22:59] <tsimonq2> e.g. https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable-ci/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=bionic
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Of course, stable-ci is followed by stable-ci-proposed, unstable-ci, and unstable-ci-proposed.
[23:00] <kc2bez> cool
[23:00] <tsimonq2> Yep :)
 I will be on vacations next 2 weeks
[23:08] <kc2bez> goodbye bionic. I think I go them all tsimonq2
[23:09] <kc2bez> *got
[23:10] <tsimonq2> \o/
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Confirmed. Nice work.
[23:29] <wxl> howdy!
[23:34] <kc2bez> @intrnl Welcome!
[23:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd271abf84858: Reword filtering time zones] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd271abf84858
[23:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd4dca829e5fd: Fix tab wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd4dca829e5fd