| tbs | hello, what s mean of first wallpaper of lubuntu 19.10 with 2 different birds? | 06:06 |
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| wxl | hummingbird. part of the lxqt logo. | 06:07 |
| tbs | yes, but there s one more bird, i thought maybe it means som ething | 06:09 |
| wxl | just a design | 06:10 |
| tbs | i guess i read too much manga :) so i thought there m ight be a meaning | 06:10 |
| tbs | i found this http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/11/celluloid-0-18-gnome-mpv-released/ page about celluloid and it says it s GTK+ frontend, what if i install it to lubuntu like that page suggest? it s not that i need it but i like trying things. | 08:47 |
| tbs | i found this http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/11/celluloid-0-18-gnome-mpv-released/ page about celluloid and it says it s GTK+ frontend, what if i install it to lubuntu like that page suggest? it s not that i need it but i like trying things. | 10:07 |
| tomreyn | tbs: yes, what if? what is your actual question? | 10:59 |
| tbs | tomreyn: if i understood right, the biggest differance about apps between lubuntu and others excluding kde is qt-gtk things. i dont even know what are they exactly but i wonder what will happen if i install celluloid. | 11:17 |
| guiverc | tbs, You won't likely notice a difference.. I used redshift-gtk on my Lubuntu until a team member created redshift-qt for us. GTK is the gimp/gnome-toolkit, meaning it's libs will need to be in memory for your app, Qt (Q toolkit) for LXQt desktop - ie. wasted memory as two libs that do same thing necessary.. an issue if you have limited ram, but not in my opinion with 4gb+ of ram (depends on your use-case/app requirements too I guess) | 11:20 |
| guiverc | (in the windows/apple world; they don't mention toolkits (Qt is used in windows too) they only say you need more ram (ie. increase ram minimum) | 11:23 |
| tbs | ahh | 11:23 |
| tbs | guiverc: if i understan right, if i use only qt apps i ll use A services which uses my ram, if i use gtk apps too i need to spend some more ram for B services. is this right? | 11:25 |
| tbs | ram usage is importand for me. i also have low speed hdd | 11:26 |
| guiverc | oversimplified yeah... You can't just count libs though; some are tiny & thus of no consequence, some are rarely called (thus maybe installed but rarely need ram unless you use a feature that uses it) .. I worry about GTK/Qt on laptops with 1gb of ram, but with more ram i worry less (I'm using hexchat; a gtk+ irc client, evolution (gtk+ mua), liferea gtk+ feed reader etc on my lubuntu.. 10 year old desktop with spinning rust, but 8gb of ram | 11:28 |
| guiverc | means impact is minimal | 11:28 |
| guiverc | (my lubuntu is 20.04 so LXQt) | 11:29 |
| lubot | <devikri> (Photo, 1280x580) https://i.imgur.com/dnDSijQ.jpg excuse me, how to resize this information screen | 11:35 |
| lubot | <devikri> its came up when i want to install .deb packages | 11:36 |
| guiverc | @devikri, what program is it? muon? (sorry I use terminal, or aptitude normally) | 11:44 |
| lubot | <devikri> @guiverc [<guiverc> @devikri, what program is it? muon? (sorry I use terminal, or aptitu …], gdebi package installer | 11:44 |
| guiverc | gdebi is a GTK3 program & uses gnome's GUI settings I believe (https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/gdebi) so I don't know | 11:46 |
| tbs | i saw that discover can install deb files, so i didnt install gdebi | 11:47 |
| tbs | i guess i understand about this matter much more thanks to you | 11:48 |
| guiverc | Lubuntu comes with Muon (Qt based version of synaptic I guess) & Discover (Ubuntu Software Centre in GTK+ i guess) | 11:48 |
| tbs | now i want to ask another question now:) | 11:49 |
| lubot | <devikri> @guiverc [<guiverc> Lubuntu comes with Muon (Qt based version of synaptic I guess) & Disco …], but it comes with my lubuntu bionic | 11:49 |
| guiverc | sorry that was poorly worded; Muon & Discover Qt based versions equiv of GTK+'s Synaptic & Ubuntu.Software | 11:49 |
| tbs | @@ | 11:49 |
| lubot | <devikri> so where i can find muon ? | 11:49 |
| tbs | synaptic s also gtk based? so i im now running gtk dependices cuz i in stalled it? | 11:50 |
| guiverc | @devikri you didn't say which Lubuntu; I assumed (wrongly) a modern Lubuntu/LXQt, not legacy/LXDE 18.04 LTS -- LXDE uses GTK+2 so is different | 11:50 |
| guiverc | tbs GTK is an issue in ram only when software is used... yes installing it causes more libs to be downloaded, upgraded etc even if not used; but RAM issue is only when used | 11:51 |
| tbs | ahh | 11:52 |
| tbs | okay, thanks^^ | 11:52 |
| guiverc | @devikiri on 18.04 you don't want muon/discover ... booting LXDE 18.04 to look | 11:52 |
| tbs | guiverc: why do u use lubuntu 20.04? not 19.10? | 11:53 |
| guiverc | i test lubuntu (QA-testing); LIVE & installs; and if I want to compare with an installed/used version, I compare with my main desktop (this box i use) | 11:54 |
| guiverc | tbs ^ | 11:54 |
| lubot | <devikri> @guiverc [<guiverc> @devikri you didn't say which Lubuntu; I assumed (wrongly) a modern Lu …], okay i think i will upgrade my release version | 11:54 |
| tbs | i have a different question now:) | 11:55 |
| tbs | u know workspaces(desktops),i want to set different wallpapers on them, do u know how can i do that? | 11:56 |
| tbs | guiverc: ^ | 11:58 |
| guiverc | @devikiri note https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/ "The most major and notable problem is that upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 causes a fair amount of issues. Therefore, we are not officially supporting this upgrade path at this time.." still applies, ie. a reinstall is recommended. (upgrade is posisble, I did for this box, but it's unsupported so you must be prepared for issues! & rejection here due to unsupported; ie. may need to | 11:58 |
| guiverc | re-install if it fails..) | 11:58 |
| guiverc | tbs, i know what you mean, but I haven't tried it, aren't sure if it's possible nor how sorry | 11:59 |
| tbs | btw is there someone in chat named devikiri? i don t see his messages | 12:00 |
| guiverc | tbs, the <..> shows it's being relayed by lubot from telegram; they're not really on IRC | 12:01 |
| tbs | https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/ | 12:02 |
| tbs | here s the distro i saw different wallpapers at different workspaces, it s open box which also lxqt uses | 12:03 |
| guiverc | @devikri, sorry I'm having trouble re-creating your box issue (i'm inexperienced with gdebi) so may not be able to help you sorry | 12:03 |
| guiverc | @devikri, I can use ^A to select all text in gdebi windows, then paste them in leafpad to read text; I've been unable to resize windows though | 12:06 |
| tbs | how can i see also telegram chat here? | 12:07 |
| guiverc | tbs anything said via a telegram client appears in this room automatically (repeated by lubot with the <> tags around whomever said it) | 12:08 |
| guiverc | we just cannot see who's online via telegram, or if they leave etc | 12:08 |
| tbs | okay, i also have one more question:) | 12:09 |
| tbs | there s a widget for changing workspaces at panel, but i want to do it on any empty place on task manager with mouse whell like i do at desktop, how can i do? guiverc | 12:12 |
| lubot | <devikri> @tbs [<tbs> there s a widget for changing workspaces at panel, but i want to do it on …], Okay thx, it works | 12:13 |
| guiverc | tbs, I don't think it's possible (but don't really know).... What is possible is adding multiple Desktop.Switcher widgets to your panel, so you have multiple places where you can use scroll wheel (note: I read your "on task manager" as just on panel) | 12:16 |
| guiverc | tbs, you could also be like me, with panels on multiple sides of your monitor(s) - it looks terrible, but it works for me! | 12:17 |
| tbs | https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/ this distro s what lead me lubuntu actually,i liked somethings on it but it s not stable, so i choose lubuntu | 12:20 |
| tbs | u can see things i mentioned at that distro | 12:20 |
| tbs | guiverc: i also searched at web about this matter but i couldnt find solution for lxqt or i couldn t understand how to do, so im asking here | 12:22 |
| guiverc | tbs, I can't really offer more than I've already provided. https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html is the Lubuntu manual page talking about adding widgets (plugins) to the panel; my suggestion was multiple Desktop.Switchers on a panel, or creating another panel with that widget/plugin only & place where it's handy (I've done that, I have 5 panels on my two displays) | 12:25 |
| tbs | guiverc: thanks for help^^ | 12:26 |
| tbs | btw if it will be usefull i can try lubuntu live 20.04 at my system and give u informations u want | 12:27 |
| guiverc | tbs, if you have a launchpad account, you can log your findings at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds , I can provide examples of the comments I leave (eg. I summarize on box as sony vaio ultrabook (i5-9400u, 4gb, intel haswell-ULT) - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/205302/testcases/1701/results/) | 12:31 |
| guiverc | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/205302/testcases/1303/results is an example of a 'live' test (no install); alas a problem was detected... | 12:32 |
| guiverc | (my box details were just taken from `lshw`; "make model (cpu,ram, gpu)") | 12:34 |
| guiverc | If you'd like to give that a go (testing our Live (daily) release every so often, record details on iso.qa.ubuntu.com; we'd really apprecaite it... Yell out if you have troubles; or #lubuntu-devel for 20.04 live-QA (quality assurance) issues! | 12:37 |
| guiverc | tbs, ^ | 12:37 |
| tbs | guiverc: im reading pages u sent | 12:37 |
| tbs | english s not my primary language so i read slowly to understand well :) | 12:38 |
| guiverc | (my pages were example only of what I put... you do whatever makes sense for you!) | 12:38 |
| tbs | daily but how many days it will continue? | 12:40 |
| tbs | i have free time actually, i would like to do somethings for linux cuz i take so much things from it | 12:41 |
| guiverc | daily really means interval... early in release cycle it's ~weekly, most of cycle including now it's daily... late in cycle it can be produced twice per day (yyyymmdd.1 for second produced in day).. | 12:41 |
| tbs | but im not sure if i can fill my responsibility | 12:41 |
| tbs | let me read some more than so i can understand what would i do | 12:42 |
| guiverc | tbs, you do it when you can; you don't need to do it everyday - the links I showed you were probably my last runs ... being produced daily doesn't mean you need to do it daily; just when it's produced (sort of) | 12:42 |
| tbs | ahh | 12:44 |
| guiverc | downloading the ISO (zsync is worthwhile using to save time/bandiwdth, ie. download only changes) & running it if you've some spare time... be it once a week, once a month, once in awhile is great too... daily is what we call the image (not what I'm asking) | 12:44 |
| tbs | i understand now | 12:44 |
| tbs | how can i see the new daily iso came for me to try? | 12:45 |
| tbs | cuz i saw lubuntu 20.04 before a month i guess, it didnt change | 12:45 |
| guiverc | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/view/head:/etc/crontab shows the cronjob that creates the images.. & times | 12:46 |
| guiverc | I provided http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds (which lists ALL flavors for focal/20.04) & not Lubuntu only - if I provided Lubuntu only or you'd get a specific day's run http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/205390/testcases; the URL won't allow new entries once a new daily has been spun; ie. it's history) | 12:48 |
| guiverc | tbs, just in case you're wondering on the cronjob; bionic means the 18.04.4 ISO (daily); ie. the next point release; why released versions appear in that list | 12:53 |
| tbs | guiverc: i would like to be smarter:) i still cant find download page of daily iso(s) | 12:54 |
| guiverc | from the http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds page I cliked "Lubuntu Desktop amd64" , then 'Live Session" then at the top is a "Link to the download information" <- what you want | 12:56 |
| guiverc | fyi: this is my zsync_focal.sh script (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZDfXBbTJ8Q/) | 12:58 |
| tbs | iso's name is "daily-live/20200101/focal-desktop-amd64.iso" so if it changes to forexample 20200105, i ll try it again, right? | 13:01 |
| guiverc | Going from the site, yep I'd agree. I use zsync script to download, (I provided my script ; zsync -u http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.iso focal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync .. just started it, it's seen 2020-01-03 & looking for changes.. | 13:05 |
| guiverc | it's reported 93.1% complete... it's now downloading the changes (~7%) | 13:06 |
| guiverc | Sorry tbs I cannot explain why my script doesn't match the download links; it's not matched before but I don't want to change dates everytime (downloaded completed & checksum auto verified) so I've worked out whatever makes it work forgetting how | 13:08 |
| guiverc | ISO downloaded is dated 2020-01-01 18:28:49 (it's not 20-01-03; that maybe was my local time) | 13:11 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> ^ That is the latest one I have as well. | 13:11 |
| tbs | i did use "sudo apt install zsync" but i cant find what happend, i dont see any new app | 13:13 |
| guiverc | i use zsync from command line, no idea if there is a GUI frontend for it, I suspect not. | 13:13 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> It should already be installed. | 13:13 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> I don't think there is a gui. | 13:13 |
| tbs | zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20200101/focal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync | 13:14 |
| tbs | is writing this to terminal enough now after new realese comes? | 13:14 |
| tbs | ahh n o | 13:15 |
| tbs | no* | 13:15 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> No that will always pull the ISO for 20200101 Take a look at guiverc 's link | 13:15 |
| tbs | zsync -u http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.iso | 13:15 |
| tbs | this is what it is, right? | 13:15 |
| guiverc | tbs, I'd have a look at the script I provided, it's very small, only thing missing was the `cd` to it's directory (I didn't want that in the script) you download the .zsync file first then it gets used in next command | 13:16 |
| lubot | <kc2bez> Yes, that is what you want | 13:16 |
| guiverc | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZDfXBbTJ8Q/ (you could drop the `rm` & `mv` too if needed, I've found prior one useful on rare occasion why it's there) | 13:17 |
| guiverc | tbs, I've gotta catch some ZZZs (sleep), Good night. | 13:22 |
| tbs | guiverc, goodnight, sleep well. | 13:52 |
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| tbs | hello, is there anyone can teach me how to put different wallpapers for different workspaces? | 16:08 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @tbs [<tbs> hello, is there anyone can teach me how to put different wallpapers for di …], workspaces or monitor? | 16:14 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> If workspaces, I don't think it is possible with openbox, however, that's the way should search for. | 16:15 |
| tbs | @HMollerCI, workspaces i want to learn, it s possible, i saw it at a distro, wait a min i ll show u | 16:16 |
| tbs | this one https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/ is where i saw it first time | 16:18 |
| tbs | i guess they put 2 panel to bottom, u can change workspace with them like left one s for workS1 rigfht one s for workS2, u can use mousewhell to change panels anywhere empty on panel on task manager widget so that makes it easier | 16:21 |
| tbs | it also fastly changes with different setted up wallpapers with no lag as far as i saw, | 16:22 |
| tbs | i want to open a new topic about this, should i open it under " development " or uncategorized ? | 16:55 |
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