[06:06] <tbs> hello, what s mean of first wallpaper of lubuntu 19.10 with 2 different birds?
[06:07] <wxl> hummingbird. part of the lxqt logo.
[06:09] <tbs> yes, but there s one more bird, i thought maybe it means som ething
[06:10] <wxl> just a design
[06:10] <tbs> i guess i read too much manga :) so i thought there m ight be a meaning
[08:47] <tbs> i found this http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/11/celluloid-0-18-gnome-mpv-released/ page about celluloid and it says it s GTK+ frontend, what if i install it to lubuntu like that page suggest? it s  not that i need it but i like trying things.
[10:07] <tbs> i found this http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/11/celluloid-0-18-gnome-mpv-released/ page about celluloid and it says it s GTK+ frontend, what if i install it to lubuntu like that page suggest? it s  not that i need it but i like trying things.
[10:59] <tomreyn> tbs: yes, what if? what is your actual question?
[11:17] <tbs> tomreyn: if i understood right, the biggest differance about apps between  lubuntu and others excluding kde is qt-gtk things. i dont even know what are they exactly but i wonder what will happen if i install celluloid.
[11:20] <guiverc> tbs, You won't likely notice a difference..  I used redshift-gtk on my Lubuntu until a team member created redshift-qt for us.  GTK is the gimp/gnome-toolkit, meaning it's libs will need to be in memory for your app, Qt (Q toolkit) for LXQt desktop - ie. wasted memory as two libs that do same thing necessary.. an issue if you have limited ram, but not in my opinion with 4gb+ of ram (depends on your use-case/app requirements too I guess)
[11:23] <guiverc> (in the windows/apple world; they don't mention toolkits (Qt is used in windows too) they only say you need more ram (ie. increase ram minimum)
[11:23] <tbs> ahh
[11:25] <tbs> guiverc: if i understan right, if i use only qt apps i ll use A services which uses my ram, if i use gtk apps too i need to spend some more ram for B services. is this right?
[11:26] <tbs> ram usage is importand for me. i also have low speed hdd
[11:28] <guiverc> oversimplified yeah... You can't just count libs though; some are tiny & thus of no consequence, some are rarely called (thus maybe installed but rarely need ram unless you use a feature that uses it) .. I worry about GTK/Qt on laptops with 1gb of ram, but with more ram i worry less (I'm using hexchat; a gtk+ irc client, evolution (gtk+ mua), liferea gtk+ feed reader etc on my lubuntu.. 10 year old desktop with spinning rust, but 8gb of ram
[11:28] <guiverc> means impact is minimal
[11:29] <guiverc> (my lubuntu is 20.04 so LXQt)
 (Photo, 1280x580) https://i.imgur.com/dnDSijQ.jpg excuse me, how to resize this information screen
 its came up when i want to install .deb packages
[11:44] <guiverc> @devikri, what program is it?  muon?  (sorry I use terminal, or aptitude normally)
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @devikri, what program is it?  muon?  (sorry I use terminal, or aptitu …], gdebi package installer
[11:46] <guiverc> gdebi is a GTK3 program & uses gnome's GUI settings I believe (https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/gdebi) so I don't know
[11:47] <tbs> i saw that discover can install deb files, so i didnt install gdebi
[11:48] <tbs> i guess i understand about this matter much more thanks to you
[11:48] <guiverc> Lubuntu comes with Muon (Qt based version of synaptic I guess) & Discover (Ubuntu Software Centre in GTK+ i guess)
[11:49] <tbs> now i want to ask another question now:)
 @guiverc [<guiverc> Lubuntu comes with Muon (Qt based version of synaptic I guess) & Disco …], but it comes with my lubuntu bionic
[11:49] <guiverc> sorry that was poorly worded; Muon & Discover Qt based versions equiv of GTK+'s Synaptic & Ubuntu.Software
[11:49] <tbs> @@
 so where i can find muon ?
[11:50] <tbs> synaptic s also gtk based? so i im now running gtk dependices cuz i in stalled it?
[11:50] <guiverc> @devikri you didn't say which Lubuntu; I assumed (wrongly) a modern Lubuntu/LXQt, not legacy/LXDE 18.04 LTS -- LXDE uses GTK+2 so is different
[11:51] <guiverc> tbs GTK is an issue in ram only when software is used... yes installing it causes more libs to be downloaded, upgraded etc even if not used; but RAM issue is only when used
[11:52] <tbs> ahh
[11:52] <tbs> okay, thanks^^
[11:52] <guiverc> @devikiri on 18.04 you don't want muon/discover ... booting LXDE 18.04 to look
[11:53] <tbs> guiverc: why do u use lubuntu 20.04? not 19.10?
[11:54] <guiverc> i test lubuntu (QA-testing); LIVE & installs; and if I want to compare with an installed/used version, I compare with my main desktop (this box i use)
[11:54] <guiverc> tbs ^
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @devikri you didn't say which Lubuntu; I assumed (wrongly) a modern Lu …], okay i think i will upgrade my release version
[11:55] <tbs> i have a different question  now:)
[11:56] <tbs> u know workspaces(desktops),i want to set different wallpapers on them, do u know how can i do that?
[11:58] <tbs> guiverc: ^
[11:58] <guiverc> @devikiri  note https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/  "The most major and notable problem is that upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 causes a fair amount of issues. Therefore, we are not officially supporting this upgrade path at this time.." still applies, ie. a reinstall is recommended.  (upgrade is posisble, I did for this box, but it's unsupported so you must be prepared for issues! & rejection here due to unsupported; ie. may need to
[11:58] <guiverc> re-install if it fails..)
[11:59] <guiverc> tbs, i know what you mean, but I haven't tried it, aren't sure if it's possible nor how sorry
[12:00] <tbs> btw is there someone in chat named devikiri? i don t see his messages
[12:01] <guiverc> tbs, the <..> shows it's being relayed by lubot from telegram; they're not really on IRC
[12:02] <tbs> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/
[12:03] <tbs> here s the distro i saw different wallpapers at different workspaces, it s open box which also lxqt uses
[12:03] <guiverc> @devikri, sorry I'm having trouble re-creating your box issue (i'm inexperienced with gdebi) so may not be able to help you sorry
[12:06] <guiverc> @devikri, I can use ^A to select all text in gdebi windows, then paste them in leafpad to read text; I've been unable to resize windows though
[12:07] <tbs> how can  i see also telegram chat here?
[12:08] <guiverc> tbs anything said via a telegram client appears in this room automatically (repeated by lubot with the <> tags around whomever said it)
[12:08] <guiverc> we just cannot see who's online via telegram, or if they leave etc
[12:09] <tbs> okay, i also have one  more question:)
[12:12] <tbs> there s a widget for changing workspaces at panel, but i want to do it on any empty place on task manager with mouse whell like i do at desktop, how can i do? guiverc
 @tbs [<tbs> there s a widget for changing workspaces at panel, but i want to do it on …], Okay thx, it works
[12:16] <guiverc> tbs, I don't think it's possible (but don't really know).... What is possible is adding multiple Desktop.Switcher widgets to your panel, so you have multiple places where you can use scroll wheel (note: I read your "on task manager" as just on panel)
[12:17] <guiverc> tbs, you could also be like me, with panels on multiple sides of your monitor(s) - it looks terrible, but it works for me!
[12:20] <tbs> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/  this distro s what lead me lubuntu actually,i liked somethings on it but it s not stable, so i choose lubuntu
[12:20] <tbs> u can see things i mentioned at that distro
[12:22] <tbs> guiverc: i also searched at web about this matter but i couldnt find solution for lxqt or i couldn t understand how to do, so im asking here
[12:25] <guiverc> tbs, I can't really offer more than I've already provided.  https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html is the Lubuntu manual page talking about adding widgets (plugins) to the panel; my suggestion was multiple Desktop.Switchers on a panel, or creating another panel with that widget/plugin only & place where it's handy (I've done that, I have 5 panels on my two displays)
[12:26] <tbs> guiverc: thanks for help^^
[12:27] <tbs> btw if it will be usefull i can try lubuntu live 20.04 at  my system and give u informations u want
[12:31] <guiverc> tbs, if you have a launchpad account, you can log your findings at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds , I can provide examples of the comments I leave (eg. I summarize on box as sony vaio ultrabook (i5-9400u, 4gb, intel haswell-ULT) - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/205302/testcases/1701/results/)
[12:32] <guiverc> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/205302/testcases/1303/results  is an example of a 'live' test (no install); alas a problem was detected...
[12:34] <guiverc> (my box details were just taken from `lshw`; "make model (cpu,ram, gpu)")
[12:37] <guiverc> If you'd like to give that a go (testing our Live (daily) release every so often, record details on iso.qa.ubuntu.com; we'd really apprecaite it... Yell out if you have troubles; or #lubuntu-devel for 20.04 live-QA (quality assurance) issues!
[12:37] <guiverc> tbs, ^
[12:37] <tbs> guiverc: im reading pages u sent
[12:38] <tbs> english s not my primary language so i read slowly to understand well :)
[12:38] <guiverc> (my pages were example only of what I put... you do whatever makes sense for you!)
[12:40] <tbs> daily but how many days it will continue?
[12:41] <tbs> i have free time actually, i would like to do somethings for linux cuz i take so much things from it
[12:41] <guiverc> daily really means interval... early in release cycle it's ~weekly, most of cycle including now it's daily... late in cycle it can be produced twice per day (yyyymmdd.1 for second produced in day)..
[12:41] <tbs>  but im not sure if i can fill my responsibility
[12:42] <tbs> let me read some  more than so i can understand what would i do
[12:42] <guiverc> tbs, you do it when you can; you don't need to do it everyday - the links I showed you were probably my last runs ...  being produced daily doesn't mean you need to do it daily; just when it's produced (sort of)
[12:44] <tbs> ahh
[12:44] <guiverc> downloading the ISO (zsync is worthwhile using to save time/bandiwdth, ie. download only changes) & running it if you've some spare time...  be it once a week, once a month, once in awhile is great too...  daily is what we call the image (not what I'm asking)
[12:44] <tbs> i understand now
[12:45] <tbs> how can i see the new daily iso came for me to try?
[12:45] <tbs> cuz i saw lubuntu 20.04 before a month i guess, it didnt change
[12:46] <guiverc> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/view/head:/etc/crontab shows the cronjob that creates the images..   & times
[12:48] <guiverc> I provided http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds  (which lists ALL flavors for focal/20.04) & not Lubuntu only - if I provided Lubuntu only or you'd get a specific day's run http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/205390/testcases; the URL won't allow new entries once a new daily has been spun; ie. it's history)
[12:53] <guiverc> tbs, just in case you're wondering on the cronjob; bionic means the 18.04.4 ISO (daily); ie. the next point release; why released versions appear in that list
[12:54] <tbs> guiverc: i would like to be smarter:) i still cant find download page of daily iso(s)
[12:56] <guiverc> from the http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds page I cliked "Lubuntu Desktop amd64" , then 'Live Session" then at the top is a "Link to the download information" <- what you want
[12:58] <guiverc> fyi:   this is my zsync_focal.sh script (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZDfXBbTJ8Q/)
[13:01] <tbs> iso's name is "daily-live/20200101/focal-desktop-amd64.iso" so if it changes to forexample 20200105, i ll try it again, right?
[13:05] <guiverc> Going from the site, yep I'd agree.   I use zsync script to download, (I provided my script ; zsync -u http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.iso  focal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync  .. just started it, it's seen 2020-01-03 & looking for changes..
[13:06] <guiverc> it's reported 93.1% complete... it's now downloading the changes (~7%)
[13:08] <guiverc> Sorry tbs I cannot explain why my script doesn't match the download links;   it's not matched before but I don't want to change dates everytime (downloaded completed & checksum auto verified) so I've worked out whatever makes it work forgetting how
[13:11] <guiverc> ISO downloaded is dated 2020-01-01 18:28:49  (it's not 20-01-03; that maybe was my local time)
 ^ That is the latest one I have as well.
[13:13] <tbs> i did use "sudo apt install zsync" but i cant find what happend, i dont see any new app
[13:13] <guiverc> i use zsync from command line, no idea if there is a GUI frontend for it, I suspect not.
 It should already be installed.
 I don't think there is a gui.
[13:14] <tbs> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20200101/focal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[13:14] <tbs> is writing this to terminal enough now after new realese comes?
[13:15] <tbs> ahh n o
[13:15] <tbs> no*
 No that will always pull the ISO for 20200101 Take a look at guiverc 's link
[13:15] <tbs> zsync -u http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/focal-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:15] <tbs> this is what it is, right?
[13:16] <guiverc> tbs, I'd have a look at the script I provided, it's very small, only thing missing was the `cd` to it's directory (I didn't want that in the script)  you download the .zsync file first then it gets used in next command
 Yes, that is what you want
[13:17] <guiverc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZDfXBbTJ8Q/  (you could drop the `rm` & `mv` too if needed, I've found prior one useful on rare occasion why it's there)
[13:22] <guiverc> tbs, I've gotta catch some ZZZs (sleep), Good night.
[13:52] <tbs> guiverc, goodnight, sleep well.
[16:08] <tbs> hello, is there anyone can teach me how to put different wallpapers for different workspaces?
 @tbs [<tbs> hello, is there anyone can teach me how to put different wallpapers for di …], workspaces or monitor?
 If workspaces, I don't think it is possible with openbox, however, that's the way should search for.
[16:16] <tbs> @HMollerCI, workspaces i want to learn, it s possible, i saw it at a distro, wait a min i ll show u
[16:18] <tbs> this one  https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/files/stable-iso/2019-03/community/openbox/  is where i saw it first time
[16:21] <tbs> i guess they put 2 panel to bottom, u can change workspace with them like left one s for workS1 rigfht one s for workS2, u can use mousewhell to change panels anywhere empty on panel on task manager widget so that makes it easier
[16:22] <tbs> it also fastly changes with different setted up wallpapers with no lag as far as i saw,
[16:55] <tbs> i want to open a new topic about this, should i open it under " development " or uncategorized ?