 @ubot93 [<ubot93> standup is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @Samuel …], Oh! This message was 23 mins late. I was asleep. Alarm woke me up at 2.30 but I turned it off and went back to sleep. 😅 This message was at 53.
 @lubuntu_bot [*guiverc: didn't realize it was a friday (my local)*], Me tooo.
 Anything I missed?
 @wxl [<wxl> i dug back up the problem with the runner shortcut and i'm still waiting f …], Yup! That's on the list. Gotta test things nicely before filing the bug.
[05:31] <guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, a reminder of someone making dev.  I forget who :)  talk about a install issue (not really part of meeting; but occupied a good portion of the time)
 guiverc: Is there a bug report to that issue?
[05:47]  * guiverc looks up iso.qa.ubu.com .. http://launchpad.net/bugs/1851188  (it only impacts a few systems, is upstream as I recall discussion); might be best to read irclogs of discussion
[05:51] <guiverc> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/01/02/%23lubuntu-devel.html  (which you probably don't need..)
 okay. I am trying to upload lubuntu-meta
 I can't get my secret key
 `gpg —list-secret-keys` doesn't do anything
 in my container
 but in my host, I do get the same output as `gpg —list-keys`
 @HMollerCl I don't see anywhere the "/" as you mentioned.
 look at the packaging guide
 Ack.
 `gpg: skipped "9616B898C578B454C3260288*********": No secret key`
 asteriks for obvious reasons
 @kc2bez
 This is same result that I got that day.
 this occurs even after following 2. L from extras from packaging requirements
 did you create the key in the container?
 I did
 but wait. I got it.
 fixed
[06:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5b9d29ce5a3a: Rephrasee Best Score] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5b9d29ce5a3a
 I had imported the gpg key using openkeychain. But somehow didn't import secret key that's why the empty output when running `gpg —list-secret-keys` So I did some digging and ran `gpg --export-secret-keys $ID > my-private-key.asc` on my host. where simillar importing of key using openkeychain had worked successfully. Then I ju
 tl.dr: when using openkeychain to import keys into a container, do run `gpg --export-secret-keys $ID > my-private-key.asc` on host and import that file.
 upload succesfull
[06:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3928c090ec3e: Specify which icon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3928c090ec3e
 @kc2bez what about the git tag part of the tutorial ?
 yup, that is the next part.
 I run it now in this clone only?
 or a new one?
 wherever you did arc land.
 ah
 then same one
 the ubuntu/version is "ubuntu/focal" or "ubuntu/20.04.4" ?
 focal I guess?
 no
 hang on
 ow
 okay
 You uploaded rSeed ?
 rMETA
 r seed was done by you I guess. I did the rMETA part.
 I landed this: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D68
[06:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Added lubuntu-grub-theme and fonts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D68
 trying to upload it. I mean uploaded.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [r seed was done by you I guess. I did the rMETA part.], it was done by wxl
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D66
[06:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Added fonts suporting new xscreensaver dialoguebox and added lubuntu-grub-theme.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D66
 I got it now. here are the tags https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-meta/tags/ubuntu%252Ffocal/
 your upload should be Ubuntu/VERSION or in this case 20.04.4
 So ubuntu/20.04.4 ?
 yeah
 yup
 done
 pushed
 i mean git pushed
 verified
 edited the packaging tutorial to give the warning about this.
 well it was #2 in the important variables above :p
 Ow.
 It's all good. whatever helps you remember.
[10:55] <gsilvapt> tsimonq2, thanks for the link! I was checking that one out earlier but I'll keep reading :) 
[10:55] <gsilvapt> wxl, thanks! I will be around trying to do something useful :D 
[10:56] <gsilvapt> wxl, about Telegram, I use it a lot too. Perhaps I'll join your telegram group :)
[11:02] <gsilvapt> I created an account to be able to comment things and/or download documents as needed
 Welcome @gsilvapt
[11:12] <gsilvapt> Thanks The_LoudSpeaker :) 
 Has the today's iso not built yet?
 Where can I check the status?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Has the today's iso not built yet?], Your ISO builds about 4:30pm UK time
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Where can I check the status?], Know about this?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Know about this?], https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/focal/ … and … https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/lubuntu
 Thanks!
 So the times mentioned on this page are according to time in UK? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
 I thought they were according to my timezone.
 I think they are according to the server time which is likely UTC.
 Okay. So still 4 hours
[14:58] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Add snaps to the panel] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2831
[15:50] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Add snaps to the panel] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2833
 Happy new year lugito
 Al ser gtk ya no la incluimos, no hemos encontrado una versión Qt
 Sil la necesita es hwinfo el paquete
 Ooops, wrong channel
 tsimonq2: kc2bez: Regarding task 139, I installed spotify via snap and checked I cannot see it in the menu either. My phab account hasn't been approved yet, so I can't comment directly
 Wanted to let you guys know
 This on Lubuntu 19.10.
 @gsilvapt [tsimonq2: kc2bez: Regarding task 139, I installed spotify via snap and checked I …], Mmm, I installed Spotify via snap in 20.04 and it appear in the menu
 @HMollerCl I think we were targetting 18.04. Has something been made in that regard?
 @gsilvapt [tsimonq2: kc2bez: Regarding task 139, I installed spotify via snap and checked I …], Does the desktop file show up in other flavors for that snap? What's the difference between the desktop file of this snap and the desktop file of a snap that actually shows up? Is it a problem with the spotify snap or is it e.g. a prob
 All of those should be answered to get to the bottom of this :)
 @gsilvapt [@HMollerCl I think we were targetting 18.04. Has something been made in that reg …], I'm not sure what you mean
 If I had to make a wild guess, it would be that the menus in LXQt don't pick it up
 Oh, so different releases should have different results. I would expect 18.04 to have different results compared to 19.10/20.04 (which should be similar enough)
 @tsimonq2 [If I had to make a wild guess, it would be that the menus in LXQt don't pick it …], 20.04 also uses LXQt, right?
 If it doesn't show up in 18.04 but it does in 19.10/20.04 then we should SRU a fix to 18.04
 @gsilvapt [20.04 also uses LXQt, right?], Yes
 18.10 and on is LXQt only
 @tsimonq2 [Does the desktop file show up in other flavors for that snap? What's the differe …], I can try to debug these but later only. In my home Ubuntu installation, I have this same package installed via snap and worked fine
 I guess I can (must, actually) set a Lubuntu VM to test these issues and I can come back to you with a reply
 (fwiw in case you're wondering, my push to exclusively use LXQt in 18.10 on is one of the factors that caused gilir to finally depart the project as he wanted to continue LXDE and that wasn't part of our project goals; since I know you knew him at some point)
 @gsilvapt [I can try to debug these but later only. In my home Ubuntu installation, I have …], Okay
 If you aren't already very sure of this, QA is going to be a major thing in getting the precise answer to this problem
 Perhaps guiverc or someone else can help you with the QA parts if you're not able to at the moment but I'm confident that this task can be completed by you if you have the time and want to assign it to yourself :)
 @tsimonq2 [(fwiw in case you're wondering, my push to exclusively use LXQt in 18.10 on is o …], I'm aware. I was around when that discussion started and know what it ended up - I also know your stance regarding snaps :D
 @gsilvapt [I'm aware. I was around when that discussion started and know what it ended up - …], It's shifted from "bad things" to "I don't use them in production personally and I don't find a use for them in Lubuntu but they're not horrible"
[16:32] <kc2bez> I am running 19.10 here currently. This box was originally 18.10 and has been updates through the releases. I have had the remmina snap all along and have had no issue with it showing in the menu. I can test on a fresh install too.
 The only thing I've been very carefully considering whether we should snap or not is the Lubuntu Manual but ultimately that's a "make work" project for @lynorian and I simply haven't brought it up yet
 I just don't think LXQt moves fast enough for snaps to be ideal
 @lynorian works really hard and very diligently on the manual, which is why if we wanted to include it on the actual install, a snap would make more sense
 Anyway, since this is the first time I've typed out that idea, thoughts are welcome :) it would probably have to be with an offline or PDF viewer and we'd have to have translations working, but I think an offline Lubuntu Manual would be great
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I am running 19.10 here currently. This box was originally 18.10 and ha …], Want to test 18.04 as well? Perhaps that's where the issue is
[16:35] <kc2bez> I can and will
 Thanks Dan
 Wimpress, popey: ^ (more of a CC, re: snapping the Lubuntu Manual and including it with 20.04 but snaps not fitting in with the LXQt story as well)
 @ericadams @profetik777 I wanted to touch base again re: marketing. What did/can we decide on for next steps in getting that ball rolling?
 @tsimonq2 [@ericadams @profetik777 I wanted to touch base again re: marketing. What did/can …], The holidays got in the way. I will look at @profetik777's entries on Phriction and I am part way through a website review.
 @ericadams [The holidays got in the way. I will look at @profetik777's entries on Phriction …], Sounds good. Would you or @profetik777 be available to attend next week's standup to share whatever progress you have made?
 From there if there's something actionable on our part, we can get you the access and such that you need.
 @tsimonq2 [Sounds good. Would you or @profetik777 be available to attend next week's standu …], Possibly. When is it?
 @ericadams [Possibly. When is it?], Thursday 3 PM US Central
 Although with people sometimes forgetting about it, maybe 3:30 ;)
 If not, alternatively I'd ask the both of you to prepare some text and paste it (or a link to it) here on Thursday at some point
 Whatever progress you end up making, it's fine, but the more it's actually worked on, I think the more momentum we can get going for the marketing team as a whole :)
 Ideally we'd have as many marketing team members as Lubuntu Developers
 @teward001 I think we need to investigate something other than Weblate so we can get translations rolling for the Manual
 The problem isn't that regular things like desktop files can't be translated using Weblate
 We already have translations that stand for that
 The problem is that translating multi-layered Sphinx projects with Weblate is a bit of a PITA
 And by "a bit of" I mean "big"
 I could totally be missing something too
 I haven't quite found a solution that's separate from "add each subdirectory as its own subproject" which is hours of tedious manual entry
 I might be wrong though, perhaps there's a Sphinx tool we can use to get everything in one directory and add it to Weblate
 I just think it's time for me to stop procrastinating on it and actually address this thing head on so we can start getting translations coming in
 @tsimonq2 [Ideally we'd have as many marketing team members as Lubuntu Developers], Agreed. I can have at least the text but will try to make the meeting.
 Cool, sounds good
[18:16] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Add snaps to the panel] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2834
 @wxl [<wxl> ^ there's a fun job for you @The_LoudSpeaker — get rid of all of those (an …], What do i do? Delete the recipe(s) ?
 About this: https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+recipes
[18:51] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Add snaps to the panel] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2836
 I just made a change to https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+recipe/falkon-daily …  Build options. This will hopefully stop those build fail emails in lubuntu-dev mailing list.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [What do i do? Delete the recipe(s) ?], wxl:
 Most of them are building for wily. Tf!
[18:57] <wxl> yeah i would delete them @The_LoudSpeaker
 That's a huge task to delete them one by one. But I can do it tomorrow while travelling.
[18:59] <wxl> you could probably use the launchpad api for it
[18:59] <wxl> it still will take some time
[18:59] <wxl> https://help.launchpad.net/API
[19:01] <wxl> don't think so though https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#source_package_recipe
 I will have a look.
 @wxl [<wxl> don't think so though https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#source_pack …], Yup. Looks like that. After reading through half of that page. I will have a good look tomorrow morning.
[19:05] <wxl> probably easier just to delete them
 Yup!
[19:11] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: here's an example of putting it to work https://polka.bike/blog/mass-subs/
[19:11] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Add snaps to the panel] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2837
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: here's an example of putting it to work https://polka.bi …], Noted.
[19:15] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Add snaps to the panel] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2838
[21:48] <lynorian> Does that involve yaml?
 @lynorian [<lynorian> Does that involve yaml?], Yeah, a little bit
[21:49] <lynorian> for snap packages that is the part I worry about the most I don't really like yaml  but otherwise would not be against that idea
 Okay
[23:19] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2841
[23:43] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2842
[23:51] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2843