[00:55] <tripelb> Oh what did I too. Downsloads vanished. What I did waa drag it onto the desktop.  18.04   {i went to trash and moved all to a new folder but that wasnt downloads nor the files from it.}
[00:56] <tripelb> Cannot find /home/cname/Downloads please check the spelling and te5y again.
[00:56] <tripelb> Cannot find /home/cname/Downloads please check the spelling and try again.
[00:58] <Bashing-om> tripelb: ls -al /home/cname/Downloads - where cname is "your" account name.
[00:59] <tripelb> Wait. Sorry. I was blind bashing-om
[00:59] <tripelb> It sits on my desktop under the window.
[01:01] <tripelb> And yes cname is my account name not my computerne.
[01:09] <tripelb> Bashing-on what I meed is to learn how to grep. Someday.
[01:09] <tripelb> Thanks so much.
[03:16] <phiona> what happened to our updaters? it seems i have gone weeks without it updating.
[03:22] <OerHeks> maybe your mirror is on holliday strike, uni ?
[03:23] <phiona> OerHeks: nope. im not on university.
[03:37] <psiphre> i'm having trouble getting a multi-head setup to work.  fresh windows refugee, fresh install as of yesterday.    some things that i have tried based on advice here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/eit3dd/windows_refugee_trying_to_get_multiple_monitors/
[03:58] <vbgunz> hello. I'm losing my mind here. I've been at this for hours. I've encrypted / and /mnt BEFORE using the installer. after install, I've edited crypttab, fstab, default/grub and updated-grub and for the life of me I can't get grub to ever prompt me for a password. I'm losing it. I've tried every goddamn iteration except for the one that'll prompt me for a password. any foolproof walks through for very stupid people on this?
[03:58] <vbgunz> I've been through dozens of walk-throughs and have tried way too many things. grub never prompts for a password and I always end up at the initramfs prompt
[04:35] <FaTaL_GG> Is there some setting I can check to see if my bandwidth upload is limited on my ubuntu machine from the machine itself?
[04:36] <FaTaL_GG> I use the machine as a router, and all clients through it have no issue getting the 1GB upload to the internet, but speetest cli tells me I get 4-5MB up.... 863MB down
[05:34] <lalitmee> Hey guys, I am using Ubuntu 18.04 and Dell Inspiron 7580. I don't know why my laptop fan starts making noise as soon as I start my system.
[05:34] <lalitmee> anyone as any idea about that
[05:34] <lalitmee> I am using NVIDIA driver 435
[05:35] <lalitmee> I am so tired of this problem. And one more thing that my system is only 5 months old.
[06:11] <quesker> how can I see what version of openconnect I would get if I installed ubuntu?  before installing
[06:11] <quesker> I basically need 8+ and needs to have p11, gnutls, and stoken linked
[06:36] <asphyxia> anyone have trouble with the dummy output ubuntu 18.04?
[06:48] <romulas> When are we getting the latest stable kernel? https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v5.x/linux-5.4.7.tar.xz
[06:49] <romulas> From kernel.org
[06:53] <romulas> 5.4.7 should be the stardard kernel (unless there are upstream bugs)..
[07:12] <tomreyn> asphyxia: what do you mean by "the dummy output ubuntu 18.04"?
[08:44] <aberrant> re
[08:45] <aberrant> has anyone seen any ntpd "CLOCK: time stepped" messages this afternoon/evening?
[08:45] <aberrant> my ntpd associations are going in and out of sys.peer
[09:12] <GoodTimesImmort> downloaded and installed anaconda 4.7.12 but when I launch with anaconda it gives me "error: A sub command must be given..."
[09:14] <AugustusCaesar24> does it matter to ubuntu if a picture is jpeg or jpg?
[09:15] <ducasse> AugustusCaesar24: no
[09:15] <ducasse> the extension is completely irrelevant
[09:15] <ducasse> use 'file' to determine file type
[09:15] <AugustusCaesar24> ok
[09:16] <ryuo> AugustusCaesar24: in general no, but some things use the file extensions still as a quick hack to divide by file types still.
[10:58] <max12345> hello all, I have troubles getting steam proton to launch my game correctly. I have done it before on a different install so I know it works, I just don't know how did it. if there is a more appropriate channel, let me know.
[10:58] <max12345> I have switched to proprietarz nvidia driver
[10:59] <max12345> when I try to launch the game through steam, it says "running/starting" and then it just stops.
[11:05] <corshmock> I am wrong to say that if this file exists, then this command executed from / should find this file?  sudo find -name hda.img
[11:06] <LaLaLars1> corshmock: why sudo?
[11:07] <corshmock> LaLaLars I get permission denied without it
[11:07] <corshmock> and invalid argument with it
[11:07] <corshmock> I'm having the most horrible time trying to get bridged networking to work with kvm
[11:08] <LaLaLars1> corshmock: maybe locate works better? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+find+locate+difference
[11:09] <LaLaLars1> corshmock: I think you get the permission denied because you do not narrow your search
[11:10] <corshmock> LaLaLars how would I narrow my search?
[11:10] <geirha> find / -xdev -name hda.img
[11:10] <geirha> avoids decsending into other filesystems, like /proc
[11:11] <corshmock> At least there are no errors with locate, no messages, so I think it doesn't exist.
[11:12] <geirha> all you know from that is it doesn't exist in locate's database
[11:13] <corshmock> Oh dear
[11:22] <LaLaLars1> corshmock: run sudo updatedb before using locate
[11:23] <corshmock> Thanks LaLaLars I've moved on to yet another tutorial now.  It just will not work for me.
[11:23] <corshmock> I'm on this one now
[11:23] <corshmock> https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-create-and-configure-bridge-networking-for-kvm-in-linux/
[11:24] <corshmock> and getting yet another error
[11:30] <ulaas> hello, the new 5.4 kernel 20.04 breaks (distorted high volume) hdmi audio for me. where to report?
[11:35] <corshmock> When I enter sudo virsh net-list --all, I get  br10                 active     yes           yes
[11:35] <corshmock> When I enter ip addr show dev br10, I get Device "br10" does not exist.
[11:36] <corshmock> I think this machine is possessed
[11:41] <tomreyn> !20.04 | ulaas
[11:41] <tomreyn> !bugs | ulaas
[11:43] <tomreyn> corshmock: use "brctl" to manage bridge devices, "ip l" to list links (network interfaces)
[11:44] <tomreyn> !alis | max12345
[11:44] <tomreyn> proton is not really supported here
[11:45] <ulaas> tomreyn, i will.
[11:46] <tomreyn> ulaas: don't miss the "Join #ubuntu+1 for support and questions." hint, too
[11:49] <max12345> ubottu: thank you that's a really good tip.
[11:54] <corshmock> Has anyone ever created a bridge, it's active, and when you look for it's ip address it tells you id doesn't exist?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj! Hello!
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[12:47] <||arifaX> Hi any idea why I only get 1840x1030 display resolution with Ubuntu Mate on a Pi3?
[12:48] <str1ngs> hello, after upgrading to 19.10 from 19.04 nouveau drivers no longer work. how can I disable nvidia and use nouveau now?
[13:59] <prohack3r> good afternoon
[15:01] <lje2610> Hi all, I am looking for assistance with fixing my dual-boot setup, which has been broken, after moving Ubuntu-partition from shared SSD to seperate SSD. I have described my issue here: https://pastebin.com/1QFNy8Km
[15:26] <mguy> lje2610: have you tried re-isntall grub to /dev/sda
[15:27] <rapidwave> I just installed angular globally using NPM, but calling 'ng', it says it does not exist
[15:27] <lje2610> mguy, I tried repairing using boot-repair, which should re-install grub, right?
[15:27] <mguy> lje2610: yes
[15:28] <mguy> What did you follow to do those steps
[15:29] <lje2610> mguy, followed a guide I found - basically told me to go with the recommended repair option.
[15:29] <lje2610> I can post the log-output from boot-repair, if it would help?
[15:29] <mguy> sure
[15:29] <lje2610> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QvW3MpD9Cm/
[15:30] <lje2610> mguy, the new Ubuntu location is /dev/sdb3, old one is /dev/sda4
[15:32] <mguy> Is your bios configured to boot from EFI?
[15:33] <lje2610> should be, yea. However, I'm not 100%. I am booted into the old Ubuntu at the moment, so if there is a way to confirm, let me know
[15:34] <mguy> I don't think you can tell from inside the os
[15:35] <lje2610> output from "efibootmgr": https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WcksYxS8gR/
[15:35] <mguy> Basically you are trying to scan all your drives, generate grub entries, and then write them to the write disk
[15:35] <mguy> then boot from the proper disk that has that info to boot from
[15:36] <mguy> Windows updates always fubar my grub :(
[15:36] <lje2610> yea, this happened after I booted to windows to get a few files
[15:37] <mguy> Why didn't you just mount your windows partition from linux
[15:38] <lje2610> files werent on the local disk - had to retrieve them using a login, which I could only access from windows.
[15:39] <lje2610> would I be able to create a new grub-installation on /dev/sdb1, and just boot to that, instead of sda? basically don't need anything from /dev/sda anymore
[15:40] <mguy> You could install grub to either drive, you just need to make sure your BIOS is configured to boot from it
[15:40] <mguy> You can test it by hitting F1 or whatever and choosing your boot device (depends on what system you have exactly)
[15:43] <lje2610> I am able to change the boot-order using efibootmgr --bootrder, however when I set it to sdb3, I get errors like these: Failed to open \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi - Not Found
[15:43] <lje2610> This was after creating a new EFI entry using efibootmgr
[15:46] <mguy> hrm
[16:56] <mclaren> yes
[16:57] <mclaren>          :w
[16:57] <mclaren>      w
[16:57] <mclaren> links ko open kar ke
[16:57] <mclaren> lol
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> mclaren: not here please
[16:57] <mclaren>  oh sorry
[16:57] <mclaren> my terminal is bugged
[17:18] <Aircraftblues> Little help please. I'm at the ubuntu 19.10 alternative downloads amd64 page and just not sure which life is the iso?
[17:19] <hggdh> Aircraftblues: can you give us the URL?
[17:22] <Aircraftblues> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot
[17:24] <ioria> Aircraftblues, i think you want 'mini.iso'
[17:27] <Aircraftblues> Ok thanks. Now off to try ubuntu with qtile
[17:27] <ioria> Aircraftblues, that is a net install, you know right ?
[17:28] <Aircraftblues> Yes I wanted the netinstall so I can choose whats installed
[17:28] <ioria> ok
[18:00] <davido_> Is it possible to move my Ubuntu partition into some unallocated contiguous space?
[18:00] <davido_> preceding space
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> It's possible, but it isn't easy as moving the data around. You will also have to "repair" grub and the MBR
[18:02] <davido_> The joys of dual booting. Reclaimed space from Windows, installed Ubuntu, then eventually managed to reclaim more space from Windows.
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> davido_: You can resize the partitions, which I think avoids the need to rebuild the MBRs and fiddling with GRUB
[18:04] <davido_> I don't think I can resize 'leftward'
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not expert in partitioning... but one thing I can recommend is make a back up image of the drive, then you could try it, but be able to restore things back the way they were if things go wrong
[18:06] <davido_> wise words. :)
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> took me many years to head those wise words
[18:10] <davido_> I'll just live with it for now. Eventually I'll swap out to a 2TB ssd and deal with the daunting task of migrating a dual-boot system to a different drive all in one day.
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> davido_: Personally, I would recommend starting fresh for both OSes. New drives are a great opportunity to get rid of stuff you're just no longer using
[18:13] <davido_> Yeah. That's reasonable, so long as M$ lets it happen without invalidating the key.
[18:13] <davido_> Eventually I'll just blow away Win, but it's useful for Logitech config software, ThinkPad dock firmware updates, etc.
[18:21] <RonaldsMazitis> hello, I have problems setting project profile in kdenlive
[18:22] <RonaldsMazitis> it seems to have wrong profile on 1080p 60 fps = 25fps
[18:22] <RonaldsMazitis> purge might help|?
[18:27] <azizLIGHT> is ther ea command line version of moving mouse to top left and seeing activities
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> RonaldsMazitis: You may want to find a forum or channel that is more focused on kdenlive ...
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> RonaldsMazitis: https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=263
[18:33] <ioria> azizLIGHT, you mean move mouse with  xdotool and click ?
[18:33] <azizLIGHT> no i wanna call activities overview from a script if possible
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> you would need to bind alt+F1 then somehow
[18:33] <azizLIGHT> as a human being, i press super key and i can see it
[18:33] <azizLIGHT> or yeah alt f1
[18:34] <ioria> azizLIGHT, i think you still need xdotool or similar
[18:34] <azizLIGHT> hmm, ok i will check that out. but am more familiar with binding
[18:34] <ioria> azizLIGHT, xdotool key Alt+F1
[18:43] <ioria> azizLIGHT, i mean, it's already bound
[18:53] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/V3JrNCb728/  Can someone explain this? Seems they forgot to include these files in the package?
[18:58] <ioria> leftyfb, dpkg -L lxd-tools
[19:01] <conr> can you activate vino screensharing via cli and not desktop?
[19:02] <ioria> sure
[19:02] <OerHeks> leftyfb, is lxc a snap?
[19:03] <ioria> conr, /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[19:03] <conr> sudo?
[19:04] <ioria> leftyfb, i think that file is for the bionic pkg, not xenial
[19:04] <conr> `Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused`
[19:05] <ioria> without sudo
[19:05] <conr> same msg
[19:06] <ioria> conr, X or wayland ?
[19:06] <conr> so i ran `sudo apt install vino`, `vino is already the newest version (3.22.0-3ubuntu1).`
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> conr: is remote access enabled on the machine?
[19:06] <conr> i'm logged into remotely via ssh
[19:07] <ioria> conr, then use ssh -X
[19:07] <conr> what's -X
[19:08] <leftyfb> ioria: but it clearly shows in apt-file search. But yeah, dpkg -L doesn't show the script
[19:08] <conr> same error
[19:09] <conr> `sudo service vino-server status` returns `Unit vino-server.service could not be found.`
[19:09] <ioria> leftyfb, i don't use apt-file a lot, but maybe it's unaware of your version
[19:09] <tomreyn> leftyfb: xenial-backports has it, though
[19:09] <leftyfb> it should only take into consideration your sources
[19:10] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-backports/amd64/lxd-tools/filelist vs https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/amd64/lxd-tools/filelist
[19:11] <ioria> leftyfb, do you have backports disabled ?
[19:11] <ioria> conr, vino it's not a service
[19:11] <leftyfb> tomreyn: ah, that was it. I wasn't running the version from backports. Thanks :)
[19:12] <leftyfb> I guess apt-file assumes the latest available repo which makes sense
[19:12] <conr> ioria: ok how do i see if share sharing is active via cli?
[19:12] <ioria> leftyfb, ps -A | grep vino
[19:12] <leftyfb> conr: ^
[19:12] <conr> nop me
[19:13] <conr> ;P
[19:13] <ioria> leftyfb, i'd check in sources.list if backports are commented
[19:13] <conr> no results
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> conr: see also the settings for /org/gnome/desktop/remote-access/
[19:13] <leftyfb> ioria: it's already solved. I had backports enabled but lxd-tools wasn't updating on it's own from it. I had to specify the version
[19:14] <ioria> leftyfb, i see
[19:14] <conr> lotuspsychje: i wish i could, i'm remotely connecting via ssh
[19:14] <conr> thats why i'm trying to active screensharing via cli
[19:15] <ioria> conr, export DISPLAY=:0
[19:16] <conr> nothing
[19:16] <ioria> conr, xhost <ip>
[19:17] <conr> inside ssh?
[19:17] <ioria> conr, what else you have ?
[19:18] <conr> what <ip> the devices ip?
[19:18] <tomreyn> vino-server is a systemd *user* service
[19:18] <conr> `xhost:  unable to open display ":0"`
[19:21] <conr> its probably just not possible if vino-server is gnome only
[19:21] <conr> tomreyn: am i right?
[19:21] <ioria> conr, the server is running X atm ?
[19:22] <conr> vino? no.
[19:22] <ioria> conr, X is installed on the server ?
[19:22] <conr> whats X?
[19:22] <tomreyn> conr: if you have a running X server and X forwarding is possible on server and client then you should be able to make it run.
[19:22] <ioria> Xorg, the gui, the DE ....
[19:23] <conr> i just have a default 18.04 build
[19:23] <ioria> conr, ok, but 18.04 server or desktop edition ?
[19:23] <conr> desktop
[19:23] <conr> i think
[19:24] <tomreyn> so with the default ubuntu gnome-shell based desktop (tty2) and the gdm graphical login (tty1)
[19:24] <ioria> conr, ls /usr/share/xsessions/  (on the server)
[19:25] <conr> it is
[19:25] <conr> `ubuntu-communitheme-snap.desktop  ubuntu.desktop`
[19:25] <ioria> conr,  connect with ssh -X user@server-ip
[19:26] <conr> `SSH protocol v.1 is no longer supported`
[19:27] <conr> oops
[19:27] <conr> nevermind i'm in
[19:27] <ioria> conr,  xclock
[19:27] <conr> `Error: Can't open display:`
[19:28] <ioria> conr,  export DISPLAY=:0
[19:28] <lafay> Why does ubuntu 18.04 boot me back to the login screen just because I click on an app or right click a file to rename it any help please
[19:28] <conr> ok
[19:28] <krah1753> Hello everyone
[19:29] <ioria> conr,  it works ?
[19:29] <conr> nothing happens
[19:29] <ioria> conr,  run again xclock
[19:29] <conr> `Error: Can't open display: :0`
[19:29] <conr> sudo?
[19:30] <ioria> conr,  nope;   export DISPLAY=server-ip:0
[19:30] <conr> is that a zero or O
[19:31] <tomreyn> zero
[19:31] <ioria> zero
[19:31] <conr> `Error: Can't open display: 192.168.x.x:0`
[19:32] <ioria> conr,  exit and connect with   ssh -Y user@server-ip
[19:32] <conr> ok, same thing?
[19:32] <ioria> conr,  ps -A | grep gnome-shell
[19:33] <conr> `  961 tty1     00:00:01 gnome-shell`
[19:33] <lafay> Why does ubuntu 18.04 boot me back to the login screen just because I click on an app or right click a file to rename it any help please
[19:34] <ioria> conr,  who
[19:35] <conr> `username   pts/0        2020-01-03 13:32 (wan ip)`
[19:35] <tomreyn> lafay: is this a fresh installation?
[19:36] <ioria> conr,  xclock
[19:36] <conr> `Error: Can't open display:`
[19:36] <Intelo> hi
[19:36] <Intelo> Can I run ubuntu/Kubuntu with 1g ram?
[19:37] <ioria> conr,  honestly, idk what 'wan ip' is
[19:37] <conr> ioria: sorry that was my external ip
[19:37] <tomreyn> Intelo: the minimal requirements are listed right on the download page
[19:37] <conr> Intelo: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[19:38] <Intelo> tomreyn,  its 4g I think
[19:38] <tomreyn> Intelo: you thnk well.
[19:38] <Intelo> I have vps and want remote access to UI as well. Is there any thing I can do?
[19:39] <ioria> conr,  export DISPLAY=wan-ip:0
[19:40] <Disaster_Area> hey, I'm having an issue downloading videos with a firefox add-on but I think it's a ubuntu related issue lookin at the error messages. I think it's also related to an issue possibly that I have when running sudo apt-get update. Summary of the error messages: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kpSg9zSDZ7/
[19:40] <Disaster_Area> oh and I'm on 16.04
[19:40] <tomreyn> Intelo: your options: buy more ram and install it, use a less demanding graphical interface, run applications on the client instead, use a web ui such as webmin instead, give up on the GUI requirement and learn your way around the terminal
[19:41] <lafay> @tomreyn No i've been using it for about 2 months now
[19:41] <tomreyn> lafay: did it work initially, though?
[19:41] <conr> ioria: after xclock, it's been "thinking" for about 1min now
[19:41] <lafay> @tomreyn No Startedright away
[19:42] <tomreyn> lafay: how did you install the system?
[19:42] <lafay> Fresh install from a usb key
[19:42] <conr> ioria: `Error: Can't open display: 136.x.x.x:0`
[19:42] <lafay> All the research I did came back with a bug in gnone shell
[19:43] <tomreyn> lafay: is the system fully updated? which reasearch did you do?
[19:43] <lafay> Yes all updates are current
[19:44] <ioria> conr,  export DISPLAY=:0
[19:44] <lafay> I googled the error msg in the logs something about the whale is daed
[19:44] <_Sym_> lafay, see anything in dmesg or syslog?
[19:44] <tomreyn> lafay: thisis just a symptomatic error message, the actual error would be before this.
[19:45] <Intelo> tomreyn,  what does this means?  run applications on the client instead, use a web ui such as webmin instead
[19:45] <conr> ioria: same error
[19:45] <tomreyn> Intelo: do y web search for "X forwarding" and another for "webmin"
[19:45] <ioria> conr,  cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:46] <lafay> @tomreyn what would be the best way to display the logs?
[19:47] <lafay> Because i see xorg alot
[19:47] <conr> ioria:
[19:47] <conr> https://termbin.com/x5i3
[19:47] <lafay> Is there a command i can use in the term to get the output?
[19:47] <conr> `X11Forwarding yes`
[19:50] <lafay> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b6ZSvKhgrp/
[19:53] <Disaster_Area> is it possible to upgrade GLibC to version 2.27 in ubuntu 16.04 or do I need 18.04 for that
[19:53] <tomreyn> lafay: you can switch TTYs, login and run    journalctl -f    there, then switch back to the X TTY and trigger the error, and switch back to the journalctl TTY again
[19:54] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: you're trying to use third party software wqhich is incompatible with your ubuntu release. and no, don't try to 'update glibc', it will break yu r installation.
[19:54] <lafay> If i trigger the error it will knock me back to the login screen and i will be disconnected from here
[19:55] <tomreyn> lafay: connect here from a different computer then, or a mobile phone. or run a text based irc client on anopther TTY, such as irssi
[19:56] <lafay> Well i can just rejoin here what is the command i need to use in the term to do what you asked?
[19:58] <lafay> I don't pretend to be an linux expert lol
[19:58] <Disaster_Area> ok tomreyn thanks. I'll just work around the problem then, good to know that I shouldn't try and upgrade my system
[19:58] <ioria> conr,  echo $DISPLAY
[19:58] <conr> ioria: :0
[19:59] <ioria> conr,  again   export DISPLAY="wan-ip:0"
[19:59] <tomreyn> lafay: if installing, configuring and using irssi from a !TTY seems complex, then maybe just get use some of the logs you have when it failed and you logged in again. the logs will still be there.
[19:59] <ioria> conr,  then, xhost +
[19:59] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: i'm noit saying you should not upgrade ubuntu to a newer release, just that you should not try to upgrade glibc
[20:00] <lafay> Will the only log I ever see is that whale is dead thing
[20:00] <Disaster_Area> yeah, I understand. Haven't upgraded myself to 18.04 as I haven't needed it and I'm not very technical. Anyway, for what I need to do there are workarounds so it's all good
[20:01] <lafay> But I will try and trigger the error and come back when it happens thank you very much for your help
[20:01] <conr> ioria
[20:01] <tomreyn> lafay: very well, good luck
[20:01] <conr> xhost + or  xhost
[20:01] <lafay> and just fyi it never happened with 16.04
[20:02] <ioria> conr,  xhost +
[20:02] <lafay> Only with 18.04
[20:02] <conr> its thinking
[20:02] <lafay> Thank you again take care
[20:03] <tomreyn> see you in a bit
[20:03] <ioria> conr,  ctrl+c; echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[20:04] <conr> ioria: while its thinking?
[20:05] <ioria> conr,  ctrl+c
[20:05] <konrados> Hey. I just created a bootable drive with 'startup disk creator' - it said "done ok", but now I can't mount it, to see what is inside, is this normal?
[20:06] <conr> ioria: echos blank
[20:06] <ioria> conr,  ps -A | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:06] <Intelo> tomreyn,  so in x-forwarding ,the UI needs to be installed both on server and client?
[20:07] <tomreyn> Intelo: yes, but drawing the graphical applications actually takes place on the client, which can mean less resource overhead on the server.
[20:07] <conr> ioria: https://termbin.com/ynig
[20:08] <tomreyn> where "server" = remote system
[20:09] <tomreyn> "Plex Media Serv"
[20:09] <tomreyn> "Xwayland"
[20:10] <tomreyn> no Xorg
[20:10] <conr> tomreyn: ?
[20:11] <rik__> hi all, happy 2020!  i am unable to upgrade a 16.04 system to 18.04.
[20:11] <rik__> after applying all updates, i `sudo do-release-upgrade` but still get the message "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading."
[20:11] <tomreyn> conr: i don't think X forwarding works with Xwayland (haven't tried, though)
[20:11] <conr> whats Xwayland?
[20:11] <tomreyn> !wayland | conr
[20:12] <EriC^^> rik__: how are you upgrading in apt?
[20:12] <rik__> checking syslog, the only message i see regards puppet: "Could not request certificate, Failed to open puppet:8140"
[20:12] <conr> tomreyn: how did it get installed?
[20:12] <ioria> conr,  sudo systemctl restart gdm
[20:12] <Intelo> tomreyn,  webmin is free? secondly, what if I install UI on server but do not run it. Just console based. Then use xforwarding?
[20:12] <conr> ioria: done
[20:12] <rik__> hey @eriC!  i've updated both via the gui Software Updater and via CL apt-gt
[20:13] <ioria> conr,  ps -A | grep -i xorg
[20:13] <conr> blank
[20:14] <ioria> conr, sudo nano /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[20:14] <EriC^^> rik__: try sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:14] <conr> ok
[20:14] <EriC^^> rik__: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:14] <lafay> Well I triggered it all I did was try to lunch audacity lol
[20:14] <ioria> conr, uncomment '#WaylandEnable=false'
[20:14] <lafay> got knocked right back to the login screen
[20:15] <conr> done
[20:15] <conr> restart gdm
[20:15] <ioria> conr, reboot
[20:15] <ioria> conr, sudo reboot
[20:15] <conr> o
[20:15] <conr> k
[20:16] <conr> ioria: should i ssh -Y again
[20:16] <ioria> yes
[20:16] <conr> what's -Y
[20:16] <ioria> disable auth
[20:16] <rik__> EriC^^, this complains about a lock file, lock-frontend
[20:16] <conr> how is that safe?
[20:17] <conr> i'm back in
[20:17] <ioria> it's not; it's a test
[20:17] <ioria> conr,  ps -A | grep -i xorg
[20:17] <EriC^^> rik__: seems it's still updating, give it a few mins perhaps and try again
[20:17] <conr> `  916 tty1     00:00:00 Xorg`
[20:18] <ioria> conr, xclock
[20:18] <conr> `Error: Can't open display:`
[20:18] <ioria> conr,  echo $DISPLAY
[20:19] <conr> `echo $DISPLAY` or with :0?
[20:19] <conr> export i mean
[20:19] <ioria> conr,  that ^   then    if fails  export DISPLAY=:0
[20:19] <conr> nevermind, it returned blank
[20:19] <ioria> conr,   export DISPLAY=:0
[20:19] <conr> `-bash: export: `DISPLAY:0': not a valid identifier`
[20:20] <rik__> EriC^^, ok separating the commands completes the update.  it then tells about some linux header files i don't need, and a held-back squliteman:i386 package.  but then reports 0 updated, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.  seems OK?
[20:21] <ioria> conr,   DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 ; export DISPLAY
[20:21] <lafay> tomreyn Well I triggered it all I did was try to lunch audacity lol
[20:21] <conr> ioria: ok
[20:21] <ioria> conr,  xclock
[20:21] <conr> `Error: Can't open display: localhost:0.0`
[20:22] <lafay> tomreyn got knocked right back to the login screen
[20:22] <EriC^^> rik__: seems so, try upgrading i guess
[20:22] <ioria> conr,  export DISPLAY="wan-ip:0.0"
[20:23] <conr> ok
[20:23] <ioria> conr,  xclock
[20:23] <tomreyn> lafay: open a temrinal and type: uptime, then post the one line it returns here
[20:24] <lafay> tomreyn 15:23:56 up  1:10,  1 user,  load average: 0.05, 0.19, 0.30
[20:24] <conr> ioria: waiting, but looks like it will timeout again
[20:25] <conr> th wan-ip is just my isp external ip, how would it get through my network firewall?
[20:25] <rik__> EriC^^, did an autoremove just to make sure the headers weren't the issue, then retried do-release-upgrade.  still doesn't go(:  same "install updates" message
[20:25] <tomreyn> lafay: let's see whether it fits: what's the output of     journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:25] <EriC^^> rik__: maybe it's the held-back thing?
[20:26] <conr> `Error: Can't open display: 136.x.x.x:0.0`
[20:26] <EriC^^> rik__: try to do sudo apt-get install squliteman
[20:26] <ioria> conr,  exit ssh
[20:26] <conr> ok
[20:26] <ioria> conr, xhost 136.x.x.x:0.0
[20:26] <rik__> EriC^^, still generating the same puppet certificate error in syslog, too.  what's puppet doing as part of a apt-get operation?!
[20:27] <lafay> tomreyn https://termbin.com/ouql
[20:27] <conr> ioria: does this have to be ubuntu -> ubuntu or can it be macos -> ubuntu?
[20:27] <ioria> conr, are you on macos ?
[20:27] <EriC^^> rik__: odd
[20:27] <conr> conr: maybe :)
[20:27] <conr> but i have a ubuntu device too i can use
[20:28] <ioria> conr, maybe it's better
[20:28] <conr> ioria: start fresh and i'll use my ubuntu device to connect to remote ubuntu
[20:28] <rik__> EriC^^, that sqliteman issue was it!  installing it and now it goes!!  you the man!!
[20:28] <ioria> i'd say so
[20:29] <EriC^^> rik__: great! enjoy!
[20:29] <lafay> tomreyn and I got the sorry the whale is dead thing again but with this added: Unrecoverable failure in required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop
[20:29] <conr> ioria: just run xclock?
[20:30] <ioria> conr, yes
[20:30] <conr> i see a clock
[20:30] <ioria> g. will
[20:31] <rik__> o&o, thanks again EriC^^
[20:31] <conr> ioria: whats g. will?
[20:31] <ioria> conr, nvm
[20:31] <tomreyn> lafay: the first cirtical error which leads to the 'fail whale is dead' symptom is the many (EE) lines like this:    Jan 03 15:10:06 Enterprise-ThinkPad-T560 /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1925]: (EE)
[20:32] <tomreyn> lafay: this is a nouveau (nvidia reverse engineered open source) graphics driver related problem apparently.
[20:32] <conr> ioria so how do i activate screenshare
[20:33] <lafay> tomreyn But i am not using nvida i have an intel
[20:33] <conr> or use xorg
[20:33] <ioria> conr, try ' /usr/lib/vino/vino-server'
[20:33] <conr> i see now
[20:33] <tomreyn> lafay: yes, apparently they share code,. i ust realized it's actually the i915 intel graphics driver just calling a function which has "nouveau" in its name
[20:34] <tomreyn> "2: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so (__driDriverGetExtensions_nouveau_vieux+0x1cd22) [0x7f99294a7092]"
[20:34] <ioria> conr, the problem is that on 18.04 vino-preferences has been removed
[20:34] <lafay> tomreyn Can it be fixed?
[20:35] <ioria> conr, so ( i guess ) all the settings (passwd, etc.) should be done via gsettings
[20:35] <lafay> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XMCKqRCvcD/
[20:35] <lafay> tomreyn f that helps at allI
[20:35] <conr> ioria: hmm well i swear i had it setup before
[20:35] <lafay> tomreyn if*
[20:36] <ioria> conr, then, on anothe tewrminal, install vinagfre and connect
[20:36] <ioria> *vinagre
[20:36] <conr> `ssh -f -N -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5900 username@remote -p 1122; sleep 10; open vnc://127.0.0.1:5901`
[20:37] <conr> i was trying to use this
[20:37] <tomreyn> lafay: not really, thanks though. this may be this bug (the bug report is against debian, and it has since been solved there) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=911680
[20:39] <lafay> tomreyn Should I use the i915 firmware and intel firmware?
[20:40] <conr> ioria: i had a question around this. i have a ubuntu tower but want to get a blade for my server cabinet. whats the best setup to screenshare in from macOS to ubuntu desktop?
[20:40] <GoodTimesImmort> hell room
[20:40] <tomreyn> lafay: normally, yes. what prompted this question?
[20:40] <GoodTimesImmort> hello* room
[20:40] <ioria> conr, sorry, i don't know/use/like/ manOS
[20:41] <ioria> *macOS
[20:41] <tomreyn> lafay: do you have more than one graphics chipset installed? does     lspci -nn | grep VGA     return one or more lines?
[20:41] <lafay> tomreyn Well when I tested out Debian 10 i had to download those two files
[20:41] <tomreyn> lafay: most firmware is included by default on ubuntu
[20:42] <tomreyn> (unlike debian)
[20:42] <lafay> tomreyn Do you think the ones i downloaded are newer or better?
[20:42] <tomreyn> lafay: i don't know what you downloaded or what you did with those downloads, or how this helps diagnosing this problem.
[20:43] <conr> ioria: vnc client to ubuntu desktop
[20:43] <ioria> conr, told you, vinagre
[20:43] <tomreyn> lafay: a forum thread which seems to be about the exact same bug: https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?303183-Xorg-bin-Segfault-in-OsLookupColor
[20:43] <lafay> tomreyn Oh okay it was just a thought btw this is what i got: ceo@Enterprise-ThinkPad-T560:~$ lspci -nn | grep VGA00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] [8086:1916] (rev 07)
[20:43] <ioria> !info vinagre | conr
[20:44] <tomreyn> lafay: so a single line of output?
[20:44] <lafay> tomreyn Yes
[20:44] <Rukbat> conr - when server refuses connection (I'mm on a keyboardless/monitorless ubuntu), then what?
[20:45] <conr> ioria: awesome thanks
[20:45] <tomreyn> lafay: upstrem bug report: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92505
[20:45] <ioria> conr, ok
[20:45] <lafay> tomreyn Do you know why this never happens with 16.04 and only with 18.04?
[20:46] <lafay> tomreyn also do you think it will fixed when 20.04 comes out?
[20:47] <tomreyn> lafay: i'm actually surprised you're still running ionto this old bug on 18.04. can you show the output of this?   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[20:48] <tomreyn> lafay: this is just to get an idea of your the health of your apt package management system
[20:48] <lafay> tomreyn https://termbin.com/dzxn
[20:49] <conr> ioria: wait whats difference of checking ScreenSharing active and vinagre?
[20:50] <ioria> conr, what ?
[20:51] <ioria> conr, vinagre is the client side of vino
[20:51] <conr> checking sharing sharing in settings uses what package?
[20:51] <tomreyn> lafay: hmm this looks just fine. i will try to find a bug report for this on launchpad.net
[20:51] <ioria> conr, sy, i don't get you
[20:52] <lafay> tomreyn It has never happened when using 16.04 But i had to install 18.04 because of 2 apps i use needed glig 2.7 or higher
[20:52] <conr> so vino is bests for vnc connections on 18.04?
[20:53] <lafay> tomreyn And some version of python that 16.04 did not have
[20:54] <ioria> conr, vino is the screen sharing default app
[20:54] <lafay> tomreyn I wish i could go back to 16.04 because never had any issue but those apps were updated and only work on 18.04 now
[20:55] <ioria> conr, but, i repeat, you first need to configure vino ; now you are over ssh so you need gsettings or dconf-editor to do it
[20:56] <tomreyn> lafay: this seems to be bug 1853266
[20:56] <conr> ioria: ok ive done dconf-editor before
[20:56] <conr> but not sshe
[20:56] <Pijuyo> join #twitter
[20:57] <ioria> conr, good, the search string is 'remote', good luck
[20:57] <conr> thanks
[20:58] <lafay> tomreyn Well thank you so much for your time and help I will read all the links you gave me and see if i can fix it and i'll just have to wait untill 20.04 comes out hope that will be fixed
[20:58] <lafay> tomreyn Once again thank you very much!
[20:58] <tomreyn> lafay: i hope so, too, but can't really tell at this point. you could try using wayland instead, but i'm not sure this would actually help. how often does it crash like this for you?
[20:59] <lafay> tomreyn Everyday day 5+ times a day
[20:59] <tomreyn> oh my
[20:59] <lafay> tomreyn Everytime i click on an app or file
[21:00] <tomreyn> lafay: did you look for a bios upgrade maybe?
[21:00] <lafay> tomreyn Just right clicking on a file to rename it and bang knocked back to the login screen
[21:01] <lafay> tomreyn I have the lastest bios install from Lenovo
[21:02] <tomreyn> lafay: not the latest, no
[21:02] <tomreyn> https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-t560/20fh/downloads/DS112310
[21:02] <tomreyn> 1.33 is the latest, you have 1.31
[21:03] <lafay> tomreyn And i do not know how to force ubuntu to use the intel driver and not the default one
[21:03] <lafay> tomreyn Oh okay thanks for that I will updated the bios right away then
[21:04] <tomreyn> lafay: what do you mean by "the intel driver and not the default one"? for which device?
[21:05] <lafay> tomreyn My video card
[21:05] <tomreyn> lafay: did you try to install mdifferent drivers for it?
[21:06] <lafay> tomreyn Well to be honest i do not know how and i read on the web something about reconfig xorg
[21:07] <tomreyn> "i read on the web something about reconfig..." is usually a recipe for desaster.
[21:08] <lafay> tomreyn Yes and i do not want to get into all that lol
[21:08] <tomreyn> there are exceptions to it but you should limit yourself to just a few sites whihc usually don't give bad advice
[21:08] <tomreyn> but you said it was like this from the start since you installe dubuntu, right?
[21:09] <lafay> tomreyn Yes as soon as i installed 18.04
[21:09] <tomreyn> right that's what i meant.
[21:09] <lafay> tomreyn Never once did this ever happen with 16.04
[21:10] <tomreyn> and did you upgrade from 16.04 or did you do a fresh install of 18.04?
[21:10] <lafay> tomreyn Fresh install
[21:10] <lafay> tomreyn I never upgrade just in case you know
[21:10] <tomreyn> well that's unfortunate.
[21:11] <tomreyn> i mean it's unfortunate that this would happen on a fresh installation
[21:11] <lafay> tomreyn I rather do fresh installs so the system is new
[21:11] <tomreyn> make sure you file a bug report on this
[21:11] <tomreyn> !bug
[21:12] <tomreyn> file it against xorg-server-hwe-18.04
[21:13] <lafay> tomreyn What would i call the bug?
[21:13] <lafay> tomreyn Oh okay thanks
[21:13] <tomreyn> lafay: a short summary of how you trigger it is probably good.
[21:14] <tomreyn> you can post the url here once you finished reporting it.
[21:14] <lafay> tomreyn Well i'm going to update the bios now and see if it makes a diff once again thank you so much for your time and help on this
[21:15] <tomreyn> yes, do the bios upgrade first.
[21:15] <tomreyn> then the bug report if it still reproduces
[21:15] <tomreyn> you're welcome, good luck
[21:16] <lafay> tomreyn Thank you enjoy the rest of your day and happy new year to you
[21:16] <tomreyn> thasnk, and to you, lafay
[21:16] <tomreyn> *thanks
[21:29] <Fevix> Notifications aren't showing punctuation, they're showing like.... something like "#38" or something
[21:29] <Fevix> LIke if someone sends me a discord like "I'm here" it'll show "I#38m here" or something like that.
[21:30] <Fevix> Is that an option or just Ubuntu?
[21:30] <beerol> When I start an apache2, there are three processes at first. Two belong to the www-data user, as expected, but there is always one process which belongs to root. Why is that and can I change that?
[21:31] <beerol> Fevix: There probably are several users with that name, that's why there is also a unique ID to keep the users apart.
[21:32] <Fevix> No
[21:32] <Fevix> I mean the message part
[21:32] <beerol> Yes, now I see.
[21:32] <Fevix> Fevix: I'm here   ->   Fevix: I#38m here
[21:32] <Fevix> THe message itself is fine, it's just the notification
[21:54] <tomreyn> beerol: you need to run with elevated privileges to bind to low ports such as 80 and 443, but also to access SSL certificates if those are only readable by root. so apache starts as root, and keeps running as management process as root, but the actual work is done by processes run under restricted system user accounts
[21:54] <beerol> tomreyn: Thank you.
[21:58] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Hi
[21:58] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I have a problem
[21:58] <UndefinedIsNotAF> can i ask my question?
[21:59] <hggdh> UndefinedIsNotAF: just ask :-)
[21:59] <UndefinedIsNotAF> My problem is here https://pastebin.com/37kqBBsX
[21:59] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I cannot set uid/gid/umask when doing a mount
[22:00] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Without -o it works
[22:00] <UndefinedIsNotAF> but with bad permissions (only root can write)
[22:01] <UndefinedIsNotAF> How i can fix this?
[22:07] <hggdh> UndefinedIsNotAF: as fare as I know, ext4 does not have an option for setting group id
[22:09] <UndefinedIsNotAF> i tried with BTRFS its the same
[22:09] <UndefinedIsNotAF> how i can allow my 1000:1000 user to write on partitions?
[22:11] <UndefinedIsNotAF> hggdh: how to access the partition using a normal user?
[22:17] <tomreyn> UndefinedIsNotAF: you'd need to change ownership of file system objects on this file system (chown) or change permissions so that any user or a given groups' members can access them (chmod)
[22:17] <tomreyn> !permissions
[22:17] <UndefinedIsNotAF> chmod 777 -R and chown -r ?
[22:20] <hggdh> UndefinedIsNotAF: is this a new partition?
[22:20] <UndefinedIsNotAF> yeah
[22:21] <hggdh> UndefinedIsNotAF: so, say it is mounted at /nount-point then sudo chown <yourId>:<yourId> /mount-point
[22:22] <hggdh> and replace <youId> with your actual userId
[22:23] <hggdh> UndefinedIsNotAF: chmod -R 777 is usually a Very Bad Idea (TM)
[22:23] <tomreyn> there's a noacl mount option, but i don'T think this is what's intended here.
[22:42] <HEX0> I can't help but notice that gnome software after all these years is still unable to find packages. Only select few apps show up. What is the purpose of it then?
[22:43] <hggdh> HEX0: this is a question better asked to the Gnome devs, not here
[22:43] <OerHeks> for a more detailed softwarecenter, install synaptic
[22:43] <OerHeks> gnome software gives metapackages, right?
[22:44] <HEX0> ok. but I kinda feel like this being pretty important to new users it fails quite badly. and ubuntu being touded the user friendly distro. I think more like linux veteran distro to be honest
[22:46] <OerHeks> some are happy with softwarecenter, others prefer commandline, let there be choice!
[22:47] <HEX0> considering there are examples of package manger GUI frontends that find anything from printer driver to any other random package. pretty much any new user is gonna end up using apt cause of this
[23:00] <bprompt> HEX0:  you can always install some other package tool, like KDE's software center
[23:02] <HEX0> yeah I can. but not sure an inexperienced user ever will
[23:03] <bprompt> HEX0:  ahemm, it varies, but in the case of an inexperienced one, they usually would get a preinstalled OS preconfigured :)
[23:04] <HEX0> a preconfigured OS with easy to use GUI frontend for package manager. or in other words, a more user friendly distro.
[23:05] <HEX0> sorry. I'm just a bit disappointed in gnome-software I guess
[23:06] <bprompt> HEX0:  it varies with demographics, yes, but some demographics require extra catering
[23:07] <HEX0> I don't want to come off as a troll. but I'd say linux mint software center is both user friendly and can find most stuff iirc
[23:07] <HEX0> like epson cups driver package or something. it could do that
[23:08] <bprompt> HEX0:  but as a matter of pleasing all demographics, that ain't happening, so the default configuration is targetted to most demographics, bearing in mind there'll be some that require extra nurturing
[23:08] <jeremy31> HEX0: There are differences between the software programs
[23:10] <bprompt> HEX0:  I help folks with windows10 for example, they get a machine with it, and they don't like this or that or the other out of the box, or even the software center from microsoft, so I reconfigure the whole thing, and they're happy, but that's always true with any OS and demographics
[23:10] <HEX0> but could you guys in good conscience say that ubuntu and it's flavors is actually a good distro for beginners?
[23:11] <bprompt> HEX0:  depends on the definition of "beginners", a 15-year-old just using it? a 71-year-old trying to work with it?
[23:12] <HEX0> or even a user who only ever used windows
[23:12] <bprompt> I'd say for ages 5 - 40 it works fine
[23:13] <OerHeks> why this polling?
[23:15] <HEX0> sorry for the rant :P
[23:25] <UndefinedIsNotAF> hggdh: ty
[23:25] <UndefinedIsNotAF> hggdh: ill use the chown