| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2844 | 00:01 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2845 | 00:02 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2846 | 00:03 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2847 | 00:05 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2848 | 00:07 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2849 | 00:10 | |
| gsilvapt | wxl, is there an easy way to test this stuff? Deleting and creating new VMs every time I want to test something is a bit painful. Plus, I don't have much storage so I cannot afford many VMs simultaneously | 00:27 |
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| kc2bez | snapshots? | 00:27 |
| gsilvapt | Something like LXC/LXD or whatever | 00:27 |
| gsilvapt | Those might only accelerate generating VMs | 00:27 |
| kc2bez | you can snapshot a vm too I guess. | 00:28 |
| gsilvapt | Still. To maintain the load of snapshots... | 00:29 |
| gsilvapt | I've heard of toolbox though but I'm not sure how useful that would be for this case | 00:29 |
| wxl | yeah there's not really a good solution. i usually have a bunch of vms laying around. | 00:29 |
| wxl | i have been thinking it would be nice for us to have some vms available for people to remote connect to with e.g. spice but that's probably a bit of a pipe dream | 00:30 |
| gsilvapt | Yea, I have limited storage. I guess I can work with snapshots, that might actually work | 00:31 |
| gsilvapt | At least to have fresh installations available | 00:31 |
| wxl | OH! | 00:31 |
| wxl | you could just run off the ISOs, at least for our stuff | 00:31 |
| wxl | debian doesn't make that as easy | 00:31 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, like sandboxes somewhere for testing that reset daily? The problem is that environments would get contaminated easily | 00:32 |
| wxl | debian kind of sucks. after you install it you start to understand why mark created ubuntu XD | 00:32 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: yeah like i said, it would be a pipe dream. it would require a lot of resources. | 00:32 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, yea, it would cool but very hard to manage. But, who knows? :D | 00:33 |
| gsilvapt | Yea, installing Debian is a bit of a pain and I speak from experience. Nothing against it but I agree :D | 00:33 |
| kc2bez | The calamares install is better :) | 00:34 |
| gsilvapt | Is there a way to host snapshots somewhere? I don't mind uploading mind as I go | 00:35 |
| gsilvapt | Actually would appreciate if I could get access to it from anywhere : ) | 00:35 |
| gsilvapt | I have a static page hosted on Gitlab.com. Would they mind if I set up something from there? hehe | 00:35 |
| kc2bez | I've never really messed around with it too much in Virtualbox but you can migrate vms to external storage. | 00:36 |
| gsilvapt | and I agree kc2bez, calamares installer simplifies the process even more | 00:36 |
| gsilvapt | I don't have external storage here | 00:37 |
| gsilvapt | Ok, now I have a fresh installation, lets try to install core first and then another snap | 00:48 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2850 | 01:03 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2851 | 01:05 | |
| lubot | <profetik777> @tsimonq2 [Although with people sometimes forgetting about it, maybe 3:30 ;)], I wont be avail but im sure we can maybe write something up. I reached out to @teward001 regarding home page email optin. Would love to have a banner or at bottom of ribbon an email optin. | 01:05 |
| lubot | <profetik777> So we can start building our own marketing communications base of influence/contacts. | 01:06 |
| gsilvapt | wxl kc2bez could it be that since we have no snaps installed, snapd service is offline? Checking it out | 01:15 |
| kc2bez | Possibly the daemon doesn't start until a snap is installed. | 01:15 |
| wxl | i think i already checked that before | 01:16 |
| gsilvapt | snapd is not in systemctl nor is a service | 01:16 |
| gsilvapt | Where the hell is the daemon? | 01:16 |
| wxl | `ps aux | grep snapd` | 01:16 |
| wxl | or better `pgrep snapd` | 01:17 |
| kc2bez | `systemctl status snapd` | 01:18 |
| gsilvapt | kc2bez, thanks. Dear me. Had a typo there and obviously it returned the service didn't existed | 01:19 |
| kc2bez | It is all good. | 01:19 |
| gsilvapt | Do you guys use any oss pastebin? | 01:22 |
| gsilvapt | I could use one right now to paste the output of the systemctl command - just for reference | 01:22 |
| wxl | share.riseup.net | 01:22 |
| gsilvapt | thanks | 01:22 |
| wxl | but isn't paste.ubuntu.com OSS? | 01:22 |
| kc2bez | don't we have patebinit in phab? | 01:23 |
| wxl | yep | 01:23 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, it requires login AFAIK | 01:23 |
| wxl | but i think he's not asking about the api client so much as the server software | 01:23 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: nope | 01:23 |
| gsilvapt | kc2bez, I bet so but I'm super noob with phabricator | 01:23 |
| wxl | there's paste.debian.net | 01:24 |
| gsilvapt | For some reason, bi-directional paste from vm to host is not working. Damn -.- | 01:25 |
| wxl | in vbox it needs to be installed in the host first | 01:25 |
| wxl | guest i mean | 01:25 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2852 | 01:29 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T140: Home page about us page blog template email optin placements] profetik777 (profetik777) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T140 | 01:31 | |
| gsilvapt | I know, I know but for some reason it didn't work :shrug: | 01:31 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2863 | 01:32 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2864 | 01:35 | |
| gsilvapt | I've asked snapcraft's forums what can be done to achieve the same behavior without the need to seed any snap. Lets see if they can help us | 01:36 |
| wxl | link that in the task please | 01:37 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2865 | 01:41 | |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> This is actually intended behavior | 01:47 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Wind back to about 2018 - I had an argument with the TB because we insisted on not including snapd by default on 18.04 installs | 01:48 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> They said "okay, fine, but down the road, what would actually make it so you can install it?" | 01:48 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> The answer was "if we don't have any snaps installed, don't have the snap service running, therefore wasting system resources" | 01:49 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> That was the common ground because on 18.04 we didn't let up much ground re: using more system resources | 01:49 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> As for today, if we actually seed a snap, fine, we'll get all that | 01:49 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> But for right now, I'd argue it's working exactly as intended. If we're installing a snap, logging in and logging out shouldn't be a problem | 01:50 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Perhaps LXQt could be a bit more dynamic in its handling but otherwise everything here is working completely as intended | 01:50 |
| kc2bez | I send this in the kindest way possible. | 01:52 |
| kc2bez | https://phab.lubuntu.me/macro/view/4/ | 01:52 |
| kc2bez | XD | 01:52 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> XDDD | 01:52 |
| kc2bez | I don't think it is terrible as is. We just need to inform folks, perhaps an addition to the manual? | 01:54 |
| lubot | <gsilvapt> Or an option in calamares? Start snapd on reboot | 02:06 |
| wxl | how much resources does snapd actually take up if it makes for such a negative experience? | 04:14 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5286dfd6298c: IMprove wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5286dfd6298c | 04:21 | |
| lubot | <Zhogkd> Would LXQT be replaced LXDE? | 04:26 |
| lubot | <lynorian> it has | 04:26 |
| lubot | <Zhogkd> now, memory usage of LXQT may little bit higher than LXDE | 04:28 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @Zhogkd [now, memory usage of LXQT may little bit higher than LXDE], Only slightly | 04:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Still less than most others | 04:29 |
| wxl | and if there were such a thing as LXDE with GTK3 it would be higher than LXQt | 04:29 |
| wxl | LXDE is a dead project based on a dead project (GTK2) | 04:29 |
| lubot | <Zhogkd> @wxl [<wxl> LXDE is a dead project based on a dead project (GTK2)], I see | 04:30 |
| wxl | PCMan himself is no longer developing for LXDE but instead LXQt | 04:30 |
| lubot | <Zhogkd> @wxl [<wxl> PCMan himself is no longer developing for LXDE but instead LXQt], Crash has been improved in pcmanfm --desktop? | 04:32 |
| wxl | LXQt is essentially completely different than LXDE | 04:32 |
| wxl | and it's actively developed every day | 04:32 |
| lubot | <Zhogkd> @wxl [<wxl> and it's actively developed every day], Great! | 04:33 |
| wxl | LXDE has had a long standing bug in pcmanfm which has been ignored for a long time | 04:33 |
| wxl | they didn't even respond to the bug report | 04:33 |
| wxl | they have almost no commits to the project at all | 04:33 |
| wxl | again, it's a dead project | 04:33 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @gsilvapt [<gsilvapt> I know, I know but for some reason it didn't work :shrug:], Never does. Use qemu. | 05:06 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> ^ | 05:06 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, @teward001 get us remote VMs pleaseee. | 05:09 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> Hello! Can I find here someone with qtmultimedia experience? Does anyone knows other groups where qt devs can be found? | 05:16 |
| wxl | #qt i think XD | 05:17 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [Never does. Use qemu.], Major reason to use qemu is the load virtualbox puts on your system. The moment I start the guest, my cpu usage immediately shoots to 100% but that's not the case with qemu. It shoots up only if required. | 05:17 |
| wxl | https://wiki.qt.io/Online_Communities#IRC_channels | 05:17 |
| lubot | <glpzzz> @wxl [<wxl> https://wiki.qt.io/Online_Communities#IRC_channels], Thanks! | 05:18 |
| wxl | oh now THAT'S funny: if you install the core snap, you can't uninstall it | 05:39 |
| wxl | and when i install it, it seems to revert my monitor settings. wth. | 05:48 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> and when i install it, it seems to revert my monitor settings. wth.], Never happened with me. | 05:50 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, @gsilvapt at what time did you do a 20.04 installation yesterday? | 05:50 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> More precisely, did you use the iso created on 3rd Jan according to UTC? | 05:51 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2867 | 06:30 | |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, @teward001 get us remote VMs pleaseee.], BUMP! XD | 07:02 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc can you check https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119 again and report ? Last time hen you reported, The required fonts for the dialogue box were missing. Just a check on a fresh install would be enough. Please close the task if you think all's good. :) | 07:15 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Dialogue for Lock screen: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119 | 07:15 | |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> Note the dialogue box. We already know that flurry works. | 07:15 |
| guiverc | ack The_LoudSpeaker. I'll endeavour to look at tomorrow, if not done in a 2-3 days yell at me (I can be forgetful) | 07:17 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2869 | 07:22 | |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc [<guiverc> ack The_LoudSpeaker. I'll endeavour to look at tomorrow, if not done …], I am forgetful and thats the reason it has remained for so long... I will ping you if I remember to. | 07:23 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @lugito1 [<lugito1> 3[ 13T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt- …], wxl: | 07:23 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 also needs to be tested. I will personally test this tommorow when I reach hyd. But it doesn't harm to test more. Just check if the theme gets installed and selected automatically in a fresh install of focal. | 07:25 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 | 07:25 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe79367979484: Fix or as a windoow can't be mulitple layers at once] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe79367979484 | 07:26 | |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [@guiverc https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 also needs to be tested. I will personally …], If it does then for sure we have a bug in grub. But if it doesn't, I have to update rART. | 07:26 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 | 07:26 | |
| guiverc | ack The_LoudSpeaker, ditto (tomorrow), heading out now (dinner) | 07:27 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> have a good one. Me heading for lunch. Ma's prepared Misal. | 07:28 |
| guiverc | o/ enjoy ! | 07:32 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc243b1e7ac83: Fix wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc243b1e7ac83 | 07:58 | |
| lubot | <gsilvapt> @The_LoudSpeaker [More precisely, did you use the iso created on 3rd Jan according to UTC?], Nope, only 1910 | 09:20 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> @gsilvapt [Nope, only 1910], Oh. Okay. | 10:03 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2870 | 14:06 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2871 | 17:30 | |
| The_LoudSpeaker | Is there a place where I can see the latest SRU's that were pushed to ubuntu 18.04 ? | 17:30 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2872 | 18:29 | |
| lubot | <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> Is there a place where I can see the latest SRU's that were pu …], Look for bugs that have verification-done-bionic tag and are Fix Released | 18:32 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> I am actually trying to tail a bug. | 19:04 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1858219 | 19:04 |
| lubot | <The_LoudSpeaker> A couple of friends have messaged me that they are facing this. | 19:06 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @The_LoudSpeaker [I am actually trying to tail a bug.], bionic-changes mailing list | 21:57 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> At lists.ubuntu.com | 21:57 |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2873 | 23:27 | |
| -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2874 | 23:56 | |
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