[00:01] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2844
[00:02] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2845
[00:03] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2846
[00:05] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2847
[00:07] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2848
[00:10] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2849
[00:27] <gsilvapt> wxl, is there an easy way to test this stuff? Deleting and creating new VMs every time I want to test something is a bit painful. Plus, I don't have much storage so I cannot afford many VMs simultaneously 
[00:27] <kc2bez> snapshots?
[00:27] <gsilvapt> Something like LXC/LXD or whatever
[00:27] <gsilvapt> Those might only accelerate generating VMs
[00:28] <kc2bez> you can snapshot a vm too I guess.
[00:29] <gsilvapt> Still. To maintain the load of snapshots... 
[00:29] <gsilvapt> I've heard of toolbox though but I'm not sure how useful that would be for this case
[00:29] <wxl> yeah there's not really a good solution. i usually have a bunch of vms laying around.
[00:30] <wxl> i have been thinking it would be nice for us to have some vms available for people to remote connect to with e.g. spice but that's probably a bit of a pipe dream
[00:31] <gsilvapt> Yea, I have limited storage. I guess I can work with snapshots, that might actually work 
[00:31] <gsilvapt> At least to have fresh installations available
[00:31] <wxl> OH!
[00:31] <wxl> you could just run off the ISOs, at least for our stuff
[00:31] <wxl> debian doesn't make that as easy
[00:32] <gsilvapt> wxl, like sandboxes somewhere for testing that reset daily? The problem is that environments would get contaminated easily
[00:32] <wxl> debian kind of sucks. after you install it you start to understand why mark created ubuntu XD
[00:32] <wxl> gsilvapt: yeah like i said, it would be a pipe dream. it would require a lot of resources.
[00:33] <gsilvapt> wxl, yea, it would cool but very hard to manage. But, who knows? :D 
[00:33] <gsilvapt> Yea, installing Debian is a bit of a pain and I speak from experience. Nothing against it but I agree :D 
[00:34] <kc2bez> The calamares install is better :)
[00:35] <gsilvapt> Is there a way to host snapshots somewhere? I don't mind uploading mind as I go 
[00:35] <gsilvapt> Actually would appreciate if I could get access to it from anywhere : )
[00:35] <gsilvapt> I have a static page hosted on Gitlab.com. Would they mind if I set up something from there? hehe
[00:36] <kc2bez> I've never really messed around with it too much in Virtualbox but you can migrate vms to external storage.
[00:36] <gsilvapt> and I agree kc2bez, calamares installer simplifies the process even more
[00:37] <gsilvapt> I don't have external storage here 
[00:48] <gsilvapt> Ok, now I have a fresh installation, lets try to install core first and then another snap
[01:03] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2850
[01:05] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2851
 @tsimonq2 [Although with people sometimes forgetting about it, maybe 3:30 ;)], I wont be avail but im sure we can maybe write something up.  I reached out to @teward001 regarding home page email optin. Would love to have a banner or at bottom of ribbon an email optin.
 So we can start building our own marketing communications base of influence/contacts.
[01:15] <gsilvapt> wxl kc2bez could it be that since we have no snaps installed, snapd service is offline? Checking it out 
[01:15] <kc2bez> Possibly the daemon doesn't start until a snap is installed.
[01:16] <wxl> i think i already checked that before
[01:16] <gsilvapt> snapd is not in systemctl nor is a service
[01:16] <gsilvapt> Where the hell is the daemon? 
[01:16] <wxl> `ps aux | grep snapd`
[01:17] <wxl> or better `pgrep snapd`
[01:18] <kc2bez> `systemctl status snapd`
[01:19] <gsilvapt> kc2bez, thanks. Dear me. Had a typo there and obviously it returned the service didn't existed
[01:19] <kc2bez> It is all good.
[01:22] <gsilvapt> Do you guys use any oss pastebin? 
[01:22] <gsilvapt> I could use one right now to paste the output of the systemctl command - just for reference
[01:22] <wxl> share.riseup.net
[01:22] <gsilvapt> thanks
[01:22] <wxl> but isn't paste.ubuntu.com OSS?
[01:23] <kc2bez> don't we have patebinit in phab?
[01:23] <wxl> yep
[01:23] <gsilvapt> wxl, it requires login AFAIK
[01:23] <wxl> but i think he's not asking about the api client so much as the server software
[01:23] <wxl> gsilvapt: nope
[01:23] <gsilvapt> kc2bez, I bet so but I'm super noob with phabricator
[01:24] <wxl> there's paste.debian.net
[01:25] <gsilvapt> For some reason, bi-directional paste from vm to host is not working. Damn -.-
[01:25] <wxl> in vbox it needs to be installed in the host first
[01:25] <wxl> guest i mean
[01:29] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2852
[01:31] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T140: Home page about us page blog template email optin placements] profetik777 (profetik777) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T140
[01:31] <gsilvapt> I know, I know but for some reason it didn't work :shrug:
[01:32] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2863
[01:35] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2864
[01:36] <gsilvapt> I've asked snapcraft's forums what can be done to achieve the same behavior without the need to seed any snap. Lets see if they can help us 
[01:37] <wxl> link that in the task please
[01:41] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2865
 This is actually intended behavior
 Wind back to about 2018 - I had an argument with the TB because we insisted on not including snapd by default on 18.04 installs
 They said "okay, fine, but down the road, what would actually make it so you can install it?"
 The answer was "if we don't have any snaps installed, don't have the snap service running, therefore wasting system resources"
 That was the common ground because on 18.04 we didn't let up much ground re: using more system resources
 As for today, if we actually seed a snap, fine, we'll get all that
 But for right now, I'd argue it's working exactly as intended. If we're installing a snap, logging in and logging out shouldn't be a problem
 Perhaps LXQt could be a bit more dynamic in its handling but otherwise everything here is working completely as intended
[01:52] <kc2bez> I send this in the kindest way possible.
[01:52] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/macro/view/4/
[01:52] <kc2bez> XD
 XDDD
[01:54] <kc2bez> I don't think it is terrible as is. We just need to inform folks, perhaps an addition to the manual?
 Or an option in calamares? Start snapd on reboot
[04:14] <wxl> how much resources does snapd actually take up if it makes for such a negative experience? 
[04:21] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5286dfd6298c: IMprove wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5286dfd6298c
 Would LXQT be replaced LXDE?
 it has
 now, memory usage of LXQT may little bit higher than LXDE
 @Zhogkd [now, memory usage of LXQT may little bit higher than LXDE], Only slightly
 Still less than most others
[04:29] <wxl> and if there were such a thing as LXDE with GTK3 it would be higher than LXQt
[04:29] <wxl> LXDE is a dead project based on a dead project (GTK2)
 @wxl [<wxl> LXDE is a dead project based on a dead project (GTK2)], I see
[04:30] <wxl> PCMan himself is no longer developing for LXDE but instead LXQt
 @wxl [<wxl> PCMan himself is no longer developing for LXDE but instead LXQt], Crash has been improved in pcmanfm --desktop?
[04:32] <wxl> LXQt is essentially completely different than LXDE
[04:32] <wxl> and it's actively developed every day
 @wxl [<wxl> and it's actively developed every day], Great!
[04:33] <wxl> LXDE has had a long standing bug in pcmanfm which has been ignored for a long time
[04:33] <wxl> they didn't even respond to the bug report
[04:33] <wxl> they have almost no commits to the project at all
[04:33] <wxl> again, it's a dead project
 @gsilvapt [<gsilvapt> I know, I know but for some reason it didn't work :shrug:], Never does. Use qemu.
 ^
 Also, @teward001 get us remote VMs pleaseee.
 Hello! Can I find here someone with qtmultimedia experience? Does anyone knows other groups where qt devs can be found?
[05:17] <wxl> #qt i think XD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Never does. Use qemu.], Major reason to use qemu is the load virtualbox puts on your system. The moment I start the guest, my cpu usage immediately shoots to 100% but that's not the case with qemu. It shoots up only if required.
[05:17] <wxl> https://wiki.qt.io/Online_Communities#IRC_channels
 @wxl [<wxl> https://wiki.qt.io/Online_Communities#IRC_channels], Thanks!
[05:39] <wxl> oh now THAT'S funny: if you install the core snap, you can't uninstall it
[05:48] <wxl> and when i install it, it seems to revert my monitor settings. wth.
 @wxl [<wxl> and when i install it, it seems to revert my monitor settings. wth.], Never happened with me.
 Also, @gsilvapt at what time did you do a 20.04 installation yesterday?
 More precisely, did you use the iso created on 3rd Jan according to UTC?
[06:30] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2867
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, @teward001 get us remote VMs pleaseee.], BUMP! XD
 @guiverc can you check https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119 again and report ? Last time hen you reported, The required fonts for the dialogue box were missing. Just a check on a fresh install would be enough. Please close the task if you think all's good. :)
[07:15] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Dialogue for Lock screen: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T119
 Note the dialogue box. We already know that flurry works.
[07:17] <guiverc> ack The_LoudSpeaker.  I'll endeavour to look at tomorrow, if not done in a 2-3 days yell at me (I can be forgetful)
[07:22] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2869
 @guiverc [<guiverc> ack The_LoudSpeaker.  I'll endeavour to look at tomorrow, if not done …], I am forgetful and thats the reason it has remained for so long... I will ping you if I remember to.
 @lugito1 [<lugito1>  3[  13T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt- …], wxl:
 @guiverc https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 also needs to be tested. I will personally test this tommorow when I reach hyd. But it doesn't harm to test more. Just check if the theme gets installed and selected automatically in a fresh install of focal.
[07:25] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[07:26] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe79367979484: Fix or as a windoow can't be mulitple layers at once] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe79367979484
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@guiverc https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 also needs to be tested. I will personally …], If it does then for sure we have a bug in grub. But if it doesn't, I have to update rART.
[07:26] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[07:27] <guiverc> ack The_LoudSpeaker, ditto (tomorrow), heading out now (dinner)
 have a good one. Me heading for lunch. Ma's prepared Misal.
[07:32] <guiverc> o/  enjoy !
[07:58] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc243b1e7ac83: Fix wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc243b1e7ac83
 @The_LoudSpeaker [More precisely, did you use the iso created on 3rd Jan according to UTC?], Nope, only 1910
 @gsilvapt [Nope, only 1910], Oh. Okay.
[14:06] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2870
[17:30] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2871
[17:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> Is there a place where I can see the latest SRU's that were pushed to ubuntu 18.04 ?
[18:29] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2872
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> Is there a place where I can see the latest SRU's that were pu …], Look for bugs that have verification-done-bionic tag and are Fix Released
 I am actually trying to tail a bug.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1858219
 A couple of friends have messaged me that they are facing this.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I am actually trying to tail a bug.], bionic-changes mailing list
 At lists.ubuntu.com
[23:27] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2873
[23:56] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2874