[02:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Can confirm: Matrix already works. I worked with the Matrix people on the messages not making it across the bridge, and they seem to be getting that to fix.
[02:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> My account had a weird issue that helped them with that.
[02:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks, @azbulutlu
[02:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's just hard to support people across the bot, and for some remembering the syntax (putting the @ in front of the item to tag them and not having tab complete) are kindof issues.
 that's more than understandable.
[02:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: the main problem was that on the irc side All messages are from "studiobot" (with what we have now)
[02:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, I think I'll be working on closing the Telegram-IRC bot to the -offtopic and main channels while keeping it for development since it's easier, but finally linking the Matrix channels (which are bridged, except -offtopic which has an issue).
[02:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Unfortunately, the nature of Telegram makes it that way.
[02:10] <OvenWerks> That makes it really hard to to know which conversation one is following.
[02:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Exactly, which is why it might be OK for dev collab, but not for support.
[02:11] <OvenWerks> It is also a pain that abc -tab doesn't work.
 is anyone except me using the bridge on devel?
 because if not....
[02:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu, @teward001 uses it.
 ah ok
[02:12] <OvenWerks> huh... of course /n only shows studiobot, not the users behind.
[02:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> (intentional tag is intentional, teward :D
[02:12] <teward> :P
[02:12] <teward> i'm on IRC right now but I do use the telegram bridge
 xD
[02:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> There's a command syntax for teleirc, it just escapes me at the moment.
[02:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> While I've got everyone here (except Ross of course, and possibly wonko ) I just wanted to say how proud I am of everyone. Things have come leaps and bounds from where they were 2 years ago, and we're in a really good spot.
[02:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> I just hope more people step-up with support, because that's where we're lacking (and it's burning me right out!).
 yikes
[02:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm not going anywhere, but I have been pushing IRC and askubuntu.com support channels (and now probably Matrix) and having people volunteer there.
[02:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm also pushing 19.10 for people who want LTS since it's a small leap to 20.04 when it comes out.
[02:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Let's face it: 18.04 was a dumpster fire.
 do you want me to reach out to some people. there are a few experienced users on mastodon side that tends to communicate there when people ask questions but not sure what availability is for people
 its not terrible, not with the backports
[02:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu Absolutely. We need more participation in IRC as well as on askubuntu.com monitoring the ubuntu-studio tag.
 <--is still on bionic for main machine but planning a reinstall
[02:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu Yeah, it's not terrible, but getting people to add the backports is hard enough.
[02:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm going to be getting a blog post ready for the switch from Telegram to Matrix. I'll probably give it a week for people on Telegram to transition before I close the Telegram groups for support and offtopic.
 tag me when it is up
[02:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu Will do. Also, it's really early in the morning for you, isn't it? :D
 and can we please add a plugin to the website to cross post to mastodon as well... :)and yep..
 ill poke tomorrow at my side of social media and see if we can get anyone. we especially need people on eu timezones right?
 and gnight. *crashes*
[02:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu I'll see about the plugins. And, yes, we need EU timezones and Australia timezones. Most of the stuff that happens in there is when OvenWerks and myself are sleeping.
[02:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu Good night!!  Get. Some. Sleep.
 Ill have some recommendations. I'll update my research and email that works for you gnight.
 :)
[02:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Moving -lowlatency-settings and -performance-tweaks in -default-settings from depends to recommends. With -lowlatency-settings being a dependency it's causing problems for people who might not want the lowlatency kernel as it can uninstall the entire desktop via "apt autoremove". Either way, it will still remain part of the default setup for the ISO.
[02:30] <OvenWerks> sure...
[02:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: You okay?
[02:37] <OvenWerks> Mostly, been some emotionally charged stuff around the home.
[02:37] <OvenWerks> Not bad bad, but difficult.
[02:38] <OvenWerks> One of my sons is having emotional difficulties probably related to chemical imbalance
[02:40] <OvenWerks> It is hard to live with is all.
[02:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can relate with that. I've got chemical imbalance issues myself. It's not easy, and getting people to understand isn't easy either. Sorry to hear you're going through this.
[02:49] <OvenWerks> anyway, -controls now has a gui for tablet buttons, tablet size and a pen tab... not sure what will be in the pen tab yet :)
[02:50] <OvenWerks> My son wants a button that switches the pen from pressure based to 1/0 and back.
[02:50] <OvenWerks> so sort of a preset for for pressure curves
[02:51] <OvenWerks> Don't know if you saaw my message serveral days ago... 
[02:52] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-wacom/+bug/1857509
[02:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I saw it. So, are we waiting on that bug or no?
[02:56] <OvenWerks> I am thinking of making a list of HW ids that should be there and making a ubuntustudio-* file on boot if any are detected or maybe just a file that includes them all
[02:56] <OvenWerks> gotta go...
[02:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok. Take care.
[04:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu: Blog post is up. Got to the point straight-out, but offered Matrix as the replacement. So far, feedback has been good. I have revoked the group links for the Telegram groups (except Dev).
[17:08] <sakrecoer[m]> Thanks Eickmeyer !
[17:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> No problem, sakrecoer🕸️🇸🇿 !
 i'mma have to get matrix i think but i think i had some headaches with that
[21:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!POUKPGuLMlimpByftw:matrix.org?via=matrix.org is the Matrix link to this room, FYI.
[22:38] <sakrecoer> greetings!
[22:39] <sakrecoer> kryten DalekSec : you aprove of the command dax gave me?
[22:39] <sakrecoer> -> /msg chanserv flags #ubuntustudio-offtopic Eickmeyer+F*-OVb
[22:40] <sakrecoer> dax: i hope you don't mind if i ask like that. i don't really remember talking with you before and it was in #offtopic and all... <3
[22:41] <teward[m]> I think the core q is does IRCC want to give Eickmeyer full unrestricted control of the channel.  It would make sense but thats an IRCC internal decision
[22:42] <sakrecoer> that was my feeling aswell, hence why i ask before proceeding.
[22:42] <teward[m]> Because that command will give Eickmeyer the ability to set ops and flags and such independent of IRCC governance
[22:42] <teward[m]> I think this should get its own thread in IRCC sak
[22:42] <teward[m]> And be discussed by IRCC first and not necessarily publicly if theres internal concerns
[22:43] <teward[m]> I think IRCC woild want to retain founder for themselves and let Eickmeyer set a more limited set of powers but again thats IRCC’s call
[22:43] <dax> #ubuntustudio-offtopic isn't an IRCC core channel, so it's not within our purview
[22:43] <dax> #ubuntustudio and #ubuntustudio-devel are, hence us being involved there
[22:44] <teward[m]> ah cool
[22:44] <teward[m]> Wasnt sure the governance there dax :)
[22:44] <dax> i.e., we're involved in -offtopic as a matter of facilitating channel recovery, not under the aegis of appointing new chanops
[22:44] <dax> no problem, it's a subtle distinction
[22:44] <sakrecoer> thank you dax! would you be so kind to shoe me how i can verify your affiliation with the IRCC. I've gotten rusty on the procesdures
[22:45] <teward> I can verify that
[22:45] <teward> Since dax granted me my ops on #ubuntu-server and has been IRCC for a while
[22:45] <dax> well, a month :P
[22:45] <teward> This said, should be listed in their LP profile if i remember right
[22:45] <sakrecoer> i'm not sure how to verify that either, teward :/
[22:46] <teward> ... unrelated IRC exploded
[22:46] <teward> *salts Matrix*
[22:47] <dax> sakrecoer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2019-November/001908.html
[22:47] <dax> it's also on my LP profile, but my LP profile is missing my IRC handle, i should fix that
[22:47] <teward[m]> I was about to say dax :P
[22:48] <DalekSec> sakrecoer: That'd transfer foundership to Eickmeyer, well if you include a space there.  I believe that's what you want?
[22:48] <sakrecoer> many thanks dax :)
[22:48] <dax> it'd add, not transfer
[22:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward001: IRCC already gave me OP access in this channel and #ubuntustudio, but -offtopic is outside their domain.
[22:48] <teward[m]> As dax just said :P
[22:49] <sakrecoer> greetings DalekSec ! good to ready you! yes that is what we wanted to achieve. :)
[22:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward001: Ah, didn't read down all the way.
[22:49] <teward[m]> :P
[22:53] <dax> sakrecoer: found my home password manager, https://launchpad.net/~rww is now updated (note the group memberships and IRC nick list). the entire council list is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council/+members
[22:54] <sakrecoer> nice to IRC meet you dax :)
[22:54] <sakrecoer> many thanks for your help!
[22:55] <sakrecoer> mine is https://launchpad.net/~sakrecoer in case :)
[22:56] <teward[m]> https://launchpad.net/~teward if you need mine but Eickmeyer knows who I am and I think dax does too :P
[22:56] <teward[m]> returns to kicking around packages in his local builders
[22:56] <dax> (i would hope so, since i added you to LP groups :P)
[22:56] <teward[m]> :P
[22:57] <sakrecoer> nice to IRC-meet you yo teward[m] :)
[22:58] <sakrecoer> very nice to see so many users in here :)
[22:59] <teward> Well this IS the devel channel and a number of us contribute.  :)
[23:02] <teward> Eickmeyer: thanks by the way for the mention in the blog update about the state of Studio
[23:03] <teward> Always nice to get mentions for my helping out :)