[00:00] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/backport-iwlwifi but that requires HWE, i see
 so, try !hwe first?
[00:00] <OerHeks> !hwe
[00:00] <rafajafar>  event not found
[00:01] <OerHeks>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[00:04] <rafajafar> fyi OerHeks that's what I was manually pulling down and running
[00:04] <rafajafar> this -> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/backport-iwlwifi.git
[00:04] <rafajafar> ccusce@AVAccusce:~$ !hwe
[00:04] <rafajafar> bash: !hwe: event not found
[00:05] <rafajafar> just installed the  LTSEnablementStack
[00:05] <rafajafar> and I installed that backport-iwlwifi-dkms repo
[00:07] <jeremy31> rafajafar: keep using the 72 kernel for now
[00:07] <pallaf> i ve run these commands through my terminal but the option for turning on feral gamemode under lutris system options is still greyed out. so yeah i think its not possible to install it as 32 bit
[00:07] <pallaf> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/dpn786/ubuntu_1910_and_ferals_gamemode/
[00:08] <rafajafar> jeremy31, roger that
[00:08] <rafajafar> jeremy31, any reason to believe that -74 will be fixed?
[00:08] <rafajafar> or -76 will fix my issue
[00:08] <sparr> Is there a way to keep most of my programs from closing when gnome-shell crashes?
[00:10] <rafajafar> rebooting into -72 back in a bit
[00:19] <rafajafar> hey jeremy31 and OerHeks, I just ran the commands you recently asked... the LTSEnablementStack... and now I'm on 5.0.0-37-generic
[00:20] <rafajafar> and things are working, though it froze once and then I rebooted, then I zoned out and didnt select advanced options, which put me into the default OS. So I checked uname -r
[00:20] <rafajafar> and it's 5.0.0-37-generic now lol.... that's... good right?
[00:20] <deadrom> Dell M4800 laptop, i8kutils installed to handle fans. since recently no issues with fans on fancontrol, but now they spin up and never spin down again no matter the load. BIOS has no options. can I do anything here?
[00:21] <deadrom> tomreyn: ^only worked one way, spin up, but not down
[00:24] <OerHeks> rafajafar, yes
[00:25] <jeremy31> rafajafar:  support for 5.0 ends this month
[00:25] <deadrom> I just stumbled over that 5.0 kernel and thought it was  remains of a HWE kernel test. is this the official kernel in 18.04 now?
[00:28] <elphias> i worked really hard on my ubuntu install customizing the daylights out of it, i would like to make some kind of restore usb, or reinstall usb, something that if i brick my lappy i can toss in the usb port and reinstall EVERYTHING that i have installed on here now, like a ghost image or system image with everything, is there a way to do this in ubuntu?
[00:28] <rafajafar> woof what an afternoon, well things are working, not sure if the 5.0.0-37-generic is good or not
[00:28] <rafajafar> but thank you for the help jeremy31
[00:28] <rafajafar> and OerHeks
[00:29] <OerHeks> deadrom, yes, hwe and hwe-edge
[00:29] <OerHeks> edge would bring 5.3.x ??
[00:30] <OerHeks> elphias, cubic can do that, you still need updating https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image   or dd the partitions as backup regulary
[00:31] <elphias> i wish ubuntu had one thing my note 10+ has
[00:31] <elphias> the ability to backup an image to google drive
[00:32] <elphias> can ubuntu do that?
[00:33] <OerHeks> google / drive is in the online accounts section
[00:41] <warsoul> hi
[00:41] <warsoul> im having this error when trying to install a emech bot
[00:42] <warsoul> Makefile:122: recipe for target 'debug.o' failed
[00:42] <warsoul> make[1]: *** [debug.o] Error 1
[00:44] <sarnold> warsoul: look a little higher in the build output, there should be an error message of some sort
[00:45] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[00:45] <glick> hi
[00:46] <glick> hey since ecryptfs has been deprecated whats the recommended way of encrypting my home directory now?
[00:46] <OnkelTem> Is there a repo with Oracle Java installer for 18.04
[00:46] <OnkelTem> ?
[00:46] <warsoul> make[1]: *** [debug.o] Error 1
[00:46] <warsoul> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/emech/emech-3.0.99p3/src'
[00:46] <warsoul> Makefile:88: recipe for target 'install' failed
[00:46] <OnkelTem> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-java-with-apt-on-ubuntu-18-04 - this didn't work for me
[00:46] <OnkelTem> repo is discontinued
[00:49] <OerHeks> there is openjdk 8 and 11 ..
[00:49] <OerHeks> ther is a license issue, we cannot put it in a PPA anymore, download from the oracle-blob site?
[00:50] <OnkelTem> OerHeks: yeah, I know about the issue (or at least it's ecxpected)
[00:51] <OnkelTem> OerHeks: I just thought about a PPA wich automates installation process..
[00:51] <OerHeks> webupd8 ... but hey, i find https://launchpad.net/~linuxuprising/+archive/ubuntu/java
[00:51] <sarnold> OnkelTem: btw why does openjdk-8 or openjdk-11 work?
[00:51] <sarnold> OnkelTem: err, why *doesn't* ..
[00:51] <OerHeks> not sure that is candidate for takesown :-(
[00:51] <deadrom> SOLVED: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029007/fan-working-non-stop-on-ubuntu-18-04
[00:51] <OerHeks> c/takedown
[00:51] <sarnold> warsoul: look higher up in the output to find the error message
[00:52] <OnkelTem> sarnold: Idk, downloaded some custom launcher for Minecraft and it didn't like neither 8 nor 10 openjdk
[00:53] <OnkelTem> so I just want to give a try to oracle... to see
[00:53] <sarnold> OnkelTem: aha, thanks
[00:59] <OnkelTem> sarnold: hm, it worked! magic
[01:00] <sarnold> OnkelTem: woo :)
[01:08] <TomyLobo> sarnold, thanks for the response earlier. will figure out a good time to automatically reboot that machine
[01:10] <sarnold> TomyLobo: we aim to release new kernels every three weeks, so it might be worth trying to plan around that if you can
[01:18] <DarwinElf> where can you move /home/user/snap?!  I hate this!
[01:18] <DarwinElf> don't the programmers know what a dotfile is?!
[01:19] <OerHeks> sure, but it is by design
[01:21] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1575053
[01:21] <OerHeks> To hide from the desktop shell for now, create a text file called ~/.hidden and put the word "snap" in it. This will hide the "~/snap" folder from Nautilus.
[01:23] <OerHeks> not sure it takes a logout/login to take effect
[01:29] <DarwinElf> alright, good, but the people complaining in the thread on that bug page have it right.  It's arrogant.  For a technical reason someone else gave, it's a thing a newbie programmer would do (as with all distributions that use systemd)
[02:02] <elphias> hi i am trying to use cubic to image my hard drive, but i get this error, and i think it's a bad thing for the image i am creating, (cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab)how do i fix this?
[02:13] <elphias> i am trying to use cubic to make an image of my hard drive, but during the sudo apt-get update cubic gave me this error in cli (cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab) how do i fix this? so that cubic can access the file?
[02:14] <jorvis> Does anyone know where it's specified to run ~/.bashrc?  I know /etc/profile gets run, which calls /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile.d/*.sh but I don't see any reference to calling ~/.bashrc
[02:14] <jorvis> (upon interactive login)
[02:16] <DarwinElf> when I upgraded Kubuntu versions a couple times for a user, a message said there were several programs/applications that were no longer part of the distribution but 'maintained by the community'... but NO information was given to find out what those were and do any necessary package management changes... so where do I get that list?
[02:17] <DarwinElf> i.e., they were ones the user had installed... so the upgrade process had the list... then show the list or provide a link!
[02:23] <DarwinElf> i.e., they had 18.04 sometime after Mint dropped KDE, then I upgraded them to 18.10, 19.04, 19.10 but I really need to find out what was removed from the main distribution and now is 'community-maintained' and maybe how to get those
[02:23] <elphias> anyone?
[02:23] <elphias> i cannot continue unless i can get cubic the fstab info
[02:26] <ScaredySquirrel> @import url("resource:///com/ubuntu/themes/Yaru/3.0/gtk.css");
[02:26] <ScaredySquirrel> how would I get at that resource as a text file?
[02:26] <CarlenWhite> DarwinElf, I think there's a repository just for community maintained packages. So following with that there might be a way to cross-ref. How this would go I'd need to search.
[02:26] <elphias> *wonders if everyone is asleep*
[02:28] <CarlenWhite> But someone more versed with package management might have a better solution.
[02:28] <DarwinElf> any reasonable OS distribution makes a list what was removed (and added) each version.  Even if I could see that list, I can just get a list of what I installed myself and compare the lists
[02:28] <DarwinElf> in the past it was easy to ignore.  Now this user has three versions of Okular in their application menu
[02:29] <DarwinElf> so I'd also like a way to hide what in the Software Manager (Kubuntu's GUI software installer) is a snap.  There's duplication
[02:31] <CarlenWhite> Oh derp. Apt keeps logs of what it did. That might help a bit.
[02:31] <DarwinElf> yeah, that's not the hard part, well as far as listing what you installed yourself, there are scripts people made public for that
[02:32] <DarwinElf> though I don't know how to do the same to see what was removed from the main OS
[02:33] <DarwinElf> i decided to keep using snaps after the solution above (make '$HOME/.hidden' 'snap')... but the thing is if there are duplicates there's no reason one might want to see both... it's more if there's something unavailable as a .deb (which is a very bad trend) or perhaps if a snap is a newer version with some better features
[02:33] <jorvis> I'm now confused as to what time of shell is run when you open an new terminal in Gnome.  Is it a non-login shell, interactive, both?
[02:33] <DarwinElf> it's probably dash
[02:33] <DarwinElf> i assumed it was bash, but for years it hasn't been
[02:34] <DarwinElf> i don't use that, but if it's non-login, you can probably configure it to be login
[02:35] <CarlenWhite> DarwinElf, https://askubuntu.com/questions/130969/ Release upgrade logs?
[02:35] <jorvis> DarwinElf:  I'm trying to map out the stack of files which execute via different methods of getting a terminal.  This comment seems to summarize them well, but both middle options are referenced when you open a gnome terminal and they differ in what files are called: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/170499
[02:36] <jorvis> I put an echo statement in /etc/profile and then opened a new gnome terminal - it didn't appear.
[02:40] <DarwinElf> alright, but I don't have earlier logs... don't know if they were replaced, or I just did a complete reinstall at some time
[02:41] <DarwinElf> wait... snap mounts a folder for *every* package?!  Systemd OSes were bad enough when you type 'mount'... I don't want to administrate a system that has maybe 30 more mount points cluttering that up when I look at 'mount'... guess I'm going to remove snap after all
[02:42] <sarnold> manipulating mountpoints are one of very few atomic operations available to work with
[02:42] <sarnold> the fact that squashfs filesystems are easily compressed, easily checksummed, easily distributed via binary differences, are huge bonuses
[02:43] <sarnold> zfs datasets also have those properties but are way harder to work with as individual things; building and inspecting squashfs blobs are pretty commonly available
[02:43] <DarwinElf> not for me.  I'd rather have the option to just completely install those normally and not have 'mount' take up too much space
[02:44] <DarwinElf> in the past various OSes used to give people the option if they want a minimal install, basic install, full install, large install, compressed install, etc.  There's zero reason to assume every single user will want it compressed; just makes problems for many/most
[02:46] <pragmaticenigma> DarwinElf, This discussion really isn't related to Ubuntu support anymore. If you would like to discuss snap... perhaps the channel dedicated to snaps would be more approrpriate? see /join #snapcraft
[02:47] <DarwinElf> well seems it is, because it was developed by Canonical
[02:48] <CarlenWhite> Speaking of mounts, I should shove .thunderbird into a block-file with a FS that supports compression. Because packrat.
[02:50] <CarlenWhite> Or something. I gotta lot of mail.
[02:51] <pragmaticenigma> DarwinElf, That's why there is an entire channel devoted to it
[02:52] <pragmaticenigma> DarwinElf, Also, this channel is run by volunteers, not Canonical or Ubuntu devs. If you wish to see change, write up a bug and submit it to launchpad. Ubuntu and Canonical do not monitor these channels for user submissions of ideas or suggestions on how to make Ubuntu better. They leverage launchpad for that.
[02:55] <pragmaticenigma> CarlenWhite, If the mail is being stored locally, such as POP3. Thunderbird offers archive folders which move messages into segmentated blocks to make managing them easier. Also, you might want to use Thunderbird's built in "compact folders" feature which will remove extra data from the mailbox files for messages that have been moved to other "folders" or "deleted"
[02:57] <CarlenWhite> I'm using IMAP and the compress can only do so much. In retrospect I should limit the amount of time until messages are removed locally and kept server-side.
[02:57] <pragmaticenigma> CarlenWhite, that would be my recommendation for IMAP mailboxes
[02:58] <DarwinElf> that's unfortunate they don't, but I probably won't comment on launchpad; am only using this OS temporarily.  As I do administer it for average users also, I could/would suggest they submit suggestions/bugs in the future if it's something I can't handle.  As of now, I'm not asking anything about snap; just made comments.  As far as I am aware though, it is officially part of Ubuntu since some 18.* version though, so no one should be required to go to some
[02:58] <DarwinElf> other channel (of course they might get help faster there)
[03:02] <pragmaticenigma> DarwinElf, The room topic here is Ubuntu Support. You were going on about archetecture, file organization, etc that are development type topics. To have a greater impact in your statements, you should consider where you are making a statement. You'll find more traction to your cause and thoughts if you speak to a group of individuals with a shared common interest. #ubuntu is a general support channel. #snapcraft is a dedicated
[03:02] <pragmaticenigma> channel for all things related to snap, including the development and deployment of the snap ecosystem. Look at a room topic before making an assumptions. Also, snapd is not specifically for Ubuntu, but developed for any distribution which would like to include it. Which means the design issues you have addressed here, will appear in other distributions. So it would be beneficial to target you ideas and suggestions directly to
[03:02] <pragmaticenigma> the resources made available for that purpose. Otherwise you are just shouting into the wind.
[03:04] <DarwinElf> they're not development-type topics
[03:07] <CarlenWhite> Kinda want to go low-tech and get archival-grade DVDs to archive old crap and toss somewhere.
[03:10] <pragmaticenigma> CarlenWhite, do you have an Ubuntu related support question?
[03:11] <CarlenWhite> Sorry, just thinking aloud.
[03:14] <sarnold> CarlenWhite: I bought some of those, and a burner, and never even opened the package.
[03:17] <CarlenWhite> Fair point. I don't often have a reason to pull out the external CD/DVD drive. One was a bunch of files gathered/ripped for a family and to rip an old Audio CD.
[03:19] <sarnold> hah, funny thing, that stack of discs is actually within arms reach of me at the moment. THey've become part of the environment, I didn't even know they were right there..
[03:20] <CarlenWhite> Ill-advised Amazon purchase perhaps.
[04:00] <WaV> Ubuntu 18.04.1 - Does anyone know what would cause my laptop to go into a loop where it says "Start bpfilter," go blank and then repeat? Rebooting seemed to have fixed whatever the issue was, but I'm more interested to know what caused it. Can recall any system changes and not sure what logs to check, if any.
[04:00] <WaV> Can't* recall
[04:00] <WaV> "Started* bpfilter"
[04:11] <WaV> gdm3 & nvidia vid card has a bunch of log entries in /var/log/syslog, not sure what exactly I'm looking at though. Oh well. It only has happened one time since I've had the laptop, which was just now. I'll worry more if it happens again.
[04:13] <quesker> how do I get makeinfo on 19.10?  apt-get install texinfo says some weird stuff
[04:15] <quesker> Package texinfo is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it: texinfo-doc-nonfree install-info info
[04:15] <quesker> I tried installing all those but still no makeinfo
[04:18] <OerHeks> maybe the non free version? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic/texinfo-doc-nonfree
[04:19] <quesker> how do I install that?
[04:20] <quesker> texinfo-doc-nonfree is already the newest version (6.6.0-2)
[04:20] <OerHeks> oh
[04:20] <quesker> weird right?
[04:21] <OerHeks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/texinfo  .. weird
[04:22] <OerHeks> what is the exact output of that install?
[04:23] <OerHeks> paste.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <quesker> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xCPHD9QZt6/
[04:26] <quesker> I tried downloading and installing manually but I am not good with apt/dpkg
[04:27] <OerHeks> universe,..
[04:27] <OerHeks> !info  texinfo eoan
[04:27] <OerHeks> you did not pate the wole output.. but oke
[04:28] <amin4real> Hey there, How can I install libavcodec-ffmpeg-dev, the aptitude package manager could't find it.
[04:28] <OerHeks> sudo add-apt-repository universe
[04:29] <OerHeks> amin4real, i think those are 2 things?
[04:29] <quesker> ok got it installed thanks  (I pasted everything between the prompts btw)
[04:31] <amin4real> OerHeks, I was trying to install LibSourcey, from its installation guide for linux (https://sourcey.com/libsourcey/installation-linux.html)
[04:33] <pi0> is there a colorful way display outbound connections to foreign countries via netstat?
[04:36] <OerHeks> a lot has changed with ffmpeg, since 14.04
[04:37] <OerHeks> i think you should try build depends or something ?
[04:37] <OerHeks> or go wild, any -dev packages in this list https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/eoan/ffmpeg
[04:39] <amin4real> OerHeks, Thanks
[06:16] <DarkTrick> Hello
[06:17] <DarkTrick> (in a Testenvironment) I exchanged a the UID and GID of root with another user. Now Ubuntu won't start up
[06:17] <DarkTrick> It tries to start Display manager and login service
[06:17] <DarkTrick> This might be expected, as I messed up the data
[06:18] <DarkTrick> however, the startup-tries are done in a loop. No TTY is working and I cant abort the process with Ctrl+C
[06:19] <DarkTrick> I was thinking that this* should not happen?
[07:12] <jwash> hi everyone, how do i turn off my screen so that it comes back on when i move the mouse?
[07:13] <jwash> i'm a first responder, when the alarm goes off I want to move my mouse and have my screen come back up to show me my call status
[07:13] <jwash> the rest of the time I'd like my screen to be off/not showing any backlight
[07:15] <HurricaneHarry> DarkTrick: that's normal behaviour, to fix this you should boot with a rescue media and change the uid/gid of root back to it's original state.
[07:16] <DarkTrick> HurricaneHarry, Thank you for the answer!
[07:19] <DarkTrick> (B) I see a lot of users for several daemons (e.g. usbmux, avahi-autoipd, hplip). I'd like to know more about each users function
[07:19] <DarkTrick> (B) Is there a list of what user is for what purpose?
[07:21] <HurricaneHarry> DarkTrick: most users are named after their purpose or program, they are used to have daemons run with less privileges than the root user would have.
[07:22] <DarkTrick> HurricaneHarry, I stumbled across some apparently unused ones. E.g. "irc" with home dir "/var/run/ircd", but the homedir doesnt exist ... and I also wonder why I would use an IRC daemon
[07:23] <DarkTrick> HurricaneHarry, But I guess your answer implies, that there is no specific explanation about the users
[07:24] <MJCD> user to run as: <user_who_admins_the_thing>_<service uid or name>
[07:24] <MJCD> also you probably don't want literally `ircd`
[07:25] <MJCD> you probably want znc and/or kiwiirc
[07:25] <HurricaneHarry> the irc user i guess is a reminent of an ircd install
[07:25] <MJCD> probably so
[07:25] <MJCD> who cares
[07:25] <MJCD> is it an actual issue?
[07:26] <DarkTrick> MJCD, No, it's not an issue. I'm trying to get a deeper understanding the system in general
[07:26] <MJCD> lol ok
[07:29] <ryuo> jwash: what does that have to do with ubuntu? i mean, it sounds like something your phone would have instead.
[07:29] <konrados> jwash, maybe this will help - https://askubuntu.com/questions/253818/manually-turn-off-monitor ?
[07:30] <jwash> ryuo, ubuntu is my operating system...
[07:30] <ryuo> oh, the alarm is in the building
[07:30] <jwash> i don't want to use my phone for this purpose, my laptop stays plugged in during the night
[07:31] <jwash> yes, alarm in the building
[07:31] <ryuo> jwash: so what's wrong with the normal behavior? the screen turns off automatically after a period of inactivity. it also comes back when activity is detected.
[07:31] <jwash> konrados, i tried that but it goes off for a second and comes back on
[07:32] <jwash> ryuo, not on my laptop
[07:32] <ryuo> Desktop?
[07:32] <HurricaneHarry> jwash: super + l ? lock screen ...
[07:32] <geirha> oddly, the irc user appears to be part of the base install actually
[07:35] <konrados> I want to set my local ip to some static value. I've learned that on 18.04 I should edit /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml - changing addresses, nameservers etc, but can I somehow just set an IP and leave the rest in 'auto' mode?
[07:35] <konrados> jwash, and what about the second answer - "To add on to the other answer, I found that when I entered xset dpms force off and pressed the Enter key, my screen would turn off and turn on again. By running the command below, I was able to get the screen to turn off without turning on." and - `sleep 3; xset dpms force off`
[07:35] <ryuo> jwash: well, you can try lock-screen or something else that will lock it instantly, including turning the screen off.
[07:37] <MJCD> lol
[07:37] <MJCD> you know turning the screen off doesn't help literally at all right?
[07:38] <MJCD> please tell me you know this
[07:39] <HurricaneHarry> konrados: you could look into assigning an IP adress to an mac address within your DHCP server (in home situations mostly your router)
[07:39] <MJCD> sure
[07:39] <MJCD> probably the easiest way, just an ip reservation via its web interface
[07:40] <MJCD> and to answer your question no; it's either all manual or all auto
[07:41] <konrados> HurricaneHarry, MJCD - it seems like my router does not have such an option :( OK, so if it's all manual or auto I think I'll go with all manual then :)
[07:42] <MJCD> konrados, that will likely break things if your router expects (which 99% do) dhcp
[07:42] <MJCD> what router is it
[07:42] <MJCD> infact, lets head over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:42] <konrados> ok, I'm there :)
[08:01] <alakx> Why is tomcat9 package from ubuntu logging to syslog? If you download tomcat9.tar.gz from tomcat website it doesnt act like this.The question is how do i disable it?
[08:10] <superkuh> Guess what's back on the menu, boys: Ubuntu 14.04 support questions. ESM program ubuntu advantage support for 14.04 is free for three installs to anyone. So, it looks like 14.04 *is* on topic.
[08:11] <superkuh> ref: https://ubuntu.com/advantage for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS free subscription
[08:22] <guiverc> superkuh, Ubuntu Advantage is supported by Canonical, not via here though as I understand it
[08:22] <superkuh> Sure. But it makes it a valid choice.
[08:22] <guiverc> this support room is for LTS or standard support releases
[09:08] <DarkTrick> CPU 100% effect after starting live CD -> is this usual?  details:
[09:09] <DarkTrick> I start Ubuntu 19.10 in my vm, wait till "try ubuntu" and "install ubuntu" appears
[09:09] <DarkTrick> my CPU is running 100% by then
[09:09] <DarkTrick> changing to TTY2, logging in as "ubuntu" (no passwd) and running top
[09:10] <DarkTrick> reveals, that snapd and lb???.so are the "problem"
[09:10] <DarkTrick> (retart to figure the exact name for this ???.so process again)
[09:12] <DarkTrick> ld-2.23.so
[09:12] <DarkTrick> So: This seems to not be expected behavior...
[09:14] <DarkTrick> summary: ld-2.23.so and snapd making the cpu run 100%
[11:06] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, any one faced any issue with Wired Network connection in Ubuntu 18.04?
[11:07] <kubanc> In which log fle can I check why is my internet browsing not working when I am connected via VPN. my VPN server is hosted on Ubuntu server
[11:13] <tomreyn> lalitmee: please don't poll on this very channel, it's just for support !&A. you probably have a specific question, though?
[11:13] <tomreyn> * Q&A
[11:16] <tomreyn> kubanc: if it's  matter of incorrect network configuration then you may not find any notion of it on any log files. if it's however, a malfunction, you may see warnings or errors in     journalctl -f    (or     journalctl -b    for the full log since boot)
[11:16] <tomreyn> kubanc: most server processes (dameons) can also be configured in that they log more or less, and may log less by default.
[11:18] <lalitmee> tomreyn: okk do you know where I can ask the question?
[11:18] <lalitmee> I mean in which channel?
[11:19] <tomreyn> lalitmee: the poll? maybe #ubuntu-offtopic. but if you just need support with something, just ask here, providing details
[11:21] <kubanc> tomreyn well the problem is that I cannot find the configuration which is not right. One user can normally connect via VPN. This is on the IP address of Server, while others can also connect on VPN server, but the internet is not working for them
[11:25] <tomreyn> kubanc: if you'd like to get help with this you'll need to both describe the overall architecture (which systems are involved, which type of vpn (client-server or site-to-site), which vpn protocols are used, which server and client implementation, what configurations, which routing is configured, how are systems addressed, which warnings and errors are being logge don each end of the connection.
[11:26] <tomreyn> i.e. this will take time, and then you'll also need someone to be willing to actually sift through all of it.
[11:49] <kubanc> tomreyn well now I managed to get both of them connected, but they gate same public IP address even if I have added the rule inside before.rules:"-A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.105 -o ens18 -j SNAT --to-source X.X.X.X"
[11:54] <tomreyn> kubanc: i can't help you until you provided the full picture, as described above. and even then, i may not be able to, just because i lack the abilities (but maybe others can then).
[12:17] <kisstails> um yes how do I build this source file as a module?
[12:17] <kisstails> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/fs/ext4/resize.c
[12:24] <sonOfRa> kisstails: you'd probably have to build all of ext4 as a module?
[12:31] <kubanc> tomreyn I found the problem after 2 days. It was the firewall configuration
[12:35] <p0a> Hello can I turn off the transparency of the sidebar in 19.10?
[12:53] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: Some of those features can be configured through the Gnome-Tweaks application
[12:59] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: thank you!
[13:00] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: btw my question about libc6 updating yesterday; I tried to update using the graphical interface from 19.04 to 19.10 and when I was asked "this update will take several hours [..] do you want to proceed?" I pressed (x) instead of "Cancel"
[13:00] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: my sources.list never went back to 19.04 and my apt upgrade actually triggered a version upgrade
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: You closed the window instead of clicking the cancel button?
[13:04] <p0a> yeah
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: Depending on how far along the process was able to reach before it was stopped, it's possible. Most of what the upgrade process is, is changing the "name" of the repo being used for updates. After that, it's the same apt upgrade/full-upgrade process that would normally take place
[13:06] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: I guess I'm complaining that at the crucial moment just before no return, closing the window confused it
[13:07] <p0a> perhaps disable (x)
[13:07] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: I would see submitting a bug report for that
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> as being valid. The upgrade tool should always ensure that it backs out any changes if the user doesn't click the proceed/okay button
[13:10] <p0a> okay, thank you
[13:11] <SeeM2> Hi. I have a question for Ondrej's PHP ppa users. Recenty he pushed PHP 7.4 packages. I'm pretty sure that wersion 7.3 will keep working after apt full-upgrade, but... Anyone tried? :) 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 not afected, since apt doesn't even show PHP 7.4 packages, if 7.3 is not installed.
[13:12] <tomreyn> !ppa
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> SeeM2: Sorry, but support is only available for packages provided by the official Ubuntu package repositories. For other PPA providers, find their contact information on their profile for assistance
[13:13] <p0a> It requires a launchpad account and unfortunately I am not interested in creating one right now...
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: Then I guess the bug will continue
[13:14] <p0a> may it reign havoc
[13:15] <SeeM2> pragmaticenigma, ubottu: Thanks. Yeah, I know that. Maybe someone would answer, since it is quite popular.
[13:16] <pragmaticenigma> SeeM2: It's offtopic here... so no, no one will answer. You can try in #ubuntu-offtopic or some other forum.
[13:17] <SeeM2> Ok, I get a ! ppa tag. :)
[13:18] <tomreyn> maybe you just need to read this text properly https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:39] <pallaf> what's the proper command for installing gamemode as 32 bit? apt-get install gamemode:i386 or gamemode-lib32:i386
[14:39] <pallaf> im on 18.04.3
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> pallaf: There is no package in the Ubuntu repositories called "gamemode" if you are using a PPA, you will have to direct your question directly to them
[14:45] <pallaf> pragmaticenigma: im using sunderlands ppa
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> !ppa | pallaf
[14:49] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[14:49] <cousin_luigi> What's the ubuntu equivalent of https://sources.debian.org ?
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> cousin_luigi: perhaps some more information would help us answer that question correctly. What are you seeking?
[14:51] <cousin_luigi> pragmaticenigma: Where package sources lie.
[14:54] <tomreyn> cousin_luigi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu usually, you'll find links on https://packages.ubuntu.com (as well as in package metadata)
[14:55] <cousin_luigi> tomreyn: In both cases, I'll have to download a .debian.tar.xz and delve into it.
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> cousin_luigi: You can also use apt-get source packgename I believe... which will retrieve the source code
[14:55] <tomreyn> probably. i'm not aware of a direct equivalent to https://sources.debian.org (a searchable source code repository) for ubuntu.
[14:56] <cousin_luigi> pragmaticenigma: That will only get me the sources for the package on the distribution in use and only if on debian anyway.
[14:57] <cousin_luigi> tomreyn: Perhaps it's not public?
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> cousin_luigi: What I just mentioned is documented by Ubuntu... it's not debian specific
[14:57] <cousin_luigi> pragmaticenigma: Sorry, I meant ubuntu.
[14:57] <cousin_luigi> Same deal.
[14:58] <tomreyn> cousin_luigi: i'm saying i'm not aware of *any*, which makes your follow-up question (directed to me) unneccessary. ;)
[14:58] <cousin_luigi> tomreyn: Any idea who might know?
[14:59] <tomreyn> cousin_luigi: know what, whether there is a non-public searchable source code repository?
[14:59] <cousin_luigi> tomreyn: Exactly. Package maintainers must have access to it.
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool might have what you are looking for
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> cousin_luigi: Else #ubuntu-app-devel channel might be a better place to ask
[15:00] <tomreyn> cousin_luigi: actually i was told that a member off the security team runs a server with unpackages ssource packages somewhere. but that's all i know. and this is not a support question, maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel
[15:01] <cousin_luigi> pragmaticenigma: That looks like the .deb repository.
[15:01] <cousin_luigi> tomreyn: Will try that.
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> cousin_luigi: Everything I have had turn up in my search results directs people to that site
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> perhaps not in the pool level
[15:02] <cousin_luigi> pragmaticenigma: app-devel? Isn't that for snap and stuff?
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> cousin_luigi: Snaps are in #snapcraft
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | cousin_luigi
[15:03] <cousin_luigi> pragmaticenigma: nice to know. /list has been the bête noire of irc for decades
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> cousin_luigi: Freenode restricts/caps /list from being abused. Their preferred method is to use alis
[15:05] <cousin_luigi> pragmaticenigma: Not just freenode. I remember seeing overflow warnings since the 90s.
[15:05] <bofanko> Hello, does anyone have an issue with mouse suddenly long pressing instead of just clicking on Ubuntu 18.04. Mouse is fairly new and tested on another machine without any issues.
[15:05] <cousin_luigi> Well, thanks and bye!
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> bofanko: When you say tested on another machine... how long did you test for? How frequently does the issue occur with Ubuntu... does it happen if you boot useing the Live media?
[15:07] <migrantfour> Hey guys. I've tried to install ubuntu on full encrypt disk, with the "Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019", but when I try to reboot I end-up in an grub bash. Any ideas?
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> migrantfour: Did you notice at the top of the article that it is a work in progress and not finished yet?
[15:11] <bofanko> pragmaticenigma: Not for too long, just wanted to check if the mouse is physically ok. It occurs every few days, I hoped it is a known issue. I did not boot with live media because currently I do not have a usb drive.
[15:11] <migrantfour> pragmaticenigma: Yes, I've read it to the end and in my option it has all relevant parts, so I guess in principal this how-to should work
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> bofanko: If something occurs once every few days... then you would need to test it on another machine for just as long to rule out that it isn't the issue. The other option is to try a known working mouse and see if Ubuntu sticks on click for that mouse.
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> migrantfour: Clearly it is missing something or your installation would have worked
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> migrantfour: the current recommended method of encryption is to encrypt the user folders, not the entire drive
[15:30] <adrian_1908> pragmaticenigma: I joined after the question, but I'd be curious about that too. What would one use to encrypt e.g. home/ on a recent Ubuntu release? I think the prior default (ecryptfs I think?) was dropped as not being well designed (robustness, ease of use).
[15:31] <adrian_1908> Is there something that's commonly recommended, or nothing agreed upon yet?
[15:33] <adrian_1908> (I rather meant encrypt /home/$USER/)
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> adrian_1908: I think the full disk encryption is no longer offered as it interferes with being able to dual boot the machine with Windows. As for User folder encryption, I'm still seeing the encryptfs packages mentioned in the tutorials, but I cannot find an official documented procedure for implementing it
[15:37] <bofanko> pragmaticenigma: Okay thank you, it just happened again and I tried to click on something with the laptops touchpad and again it long pressed (for instance, I want to star firefox but instead I drag it from the dock). It must be a software error
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> bofanko: When I've encountered that, it's because the system resources are low and I have heavy swapping to disk going on
[15:42] <adrian_1908> pragmaticenigma: ok, thanks. I'll have to look into this myself sometime. I wish OPAL disk encryption was robustly implemented (e.g. resumption from sleep is an unsolved issue afaik), that would be nice, especially for portable devices.
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> adrian_1908: standby modes are not recommended for machines running encrypted drives... as it defeats the purpose of having the encryption (key lives in ram on Suspend to Ram, lives on unencrypted space on suspend to disk)
[15:46] <bofanko> pragmaticenigma: Firs of all - I can see you are helping a lot of people here so I would like to thank you for that. My laptop is decent in terms of hardware, i5 8300h, 8 gbs of ram and an SSD. What is "heavy swapping"?
[15:46] <adrian_1908> Hmm I see, but it would protect the machine in a powered-off state, compared to no encryption at all. I'm more worried about theft of a powered-off machine than one being snatched in a standy-by state.
[15:50] <adrian_1908> bofanko: I didn't read your conversation before I joined, but did you check that your system resources aren't being strained by some rouge application running in the background?
[15:54] <bofanko> adrian_1908: Hey, thanks for asking, my installation is running a few gnome shell extensions but they are not hogging the cpu at all, just checked. The cpu is running at 0.8 ghz with some jumps to 4.0 Ghz when I open something up.
[15:55] <adrian_1908> bofanko: Ok, that's good. Alas, no idea about the lag you experience.
[15:58] <bofanko> adrian_1908: It is nothing that stops my work or slows me down anyhow but still I do not like it... I find Ubuntu to be good but GNOME is stuttery on a strong CPU and a dedicated 1050.
[16:01] <tomreyn> adrian_1908: hi. i noticed you asked about how to encrypt your data. the ubuntu 19.10 approach to this continues to be full disk encryption (which is a bit misleading as this would not cover the full disk but most partitions). what was deprecated and is no longer supported by the installer is file system encryption using ecryptfs.
[16:04] <tomreyn> this is what the ubuntu 19.10 "installation type" screen looks like - notice the "encrypt the new Ubuntu installation for security" option, which means dmcrypt-luks encryption of anything ubuntu except for /boot (and the efi system partition / bios-grub partition and grub in the mbr, all of which need to remain plain) https://i.imgur.com/DRIvjHo.png
[16:05] <tomreyn> you can also encrypt /boot, but that's more advanced: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> bofanko: "Heavy Swapping" is if Ubuntu is moving stuff to/from RAM to the swap file on disk. I'm not certain that is your issue, however, it's not just CPU you need to look at but also RAM utilization. 8 GB should be more than enough for general usage
[16:08] <adrian_1908> tomreyn: Ah yes, that must be the "deprecation" I read about while ago. I didn't remember the details that way, thanks a lot!
[16:10] <adrian_1908> bofanko: Yes, I'm not sold on the modern Desktops either. I stick to Xfce and customize that (qute a bit) to my linking. It's far less polished than Gnome, but caters to my (now old-fashioned) preference for classic desktops.
[16:10] <adrian_1908> *quite a bit
[16:11] <tomreyn> adrian_1908: you're welcome. note that dual boot off the same storage won't work if you're using the ubuntu desktop installer to do full disk encryption, since it would reparition the entire disk, removing previous partition tables.
[17:09] <kinghat> looks like grub customizer is borked on 19.10
[17:10] <tomreyn> !bug
[17:12] <kinghat> from what ive seen from the ppa page ppl have been complaining. i wait.
[17:18] <tomreyn> ppa? oh, unsupported then. i assumed you were using the one in ubuntu.
[17:33] <afidegnum> how do i install Language server Protocol for Ubuntu?
[17:42] <tomreyn> afidegnum: you don't install a protocol, you install software or connect / install hardware that is capable of supporting a protocol.
[17:44] <tomreyn> implementations of "language server protocol": https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/implementors/servers/
[17:44] <afidegnum> ok
[18:02] <jellycode> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-murrine/+bug/1312410
[18:04] <jellycode> I'm on a very default and new install ubuntu 18.04, running a GUI application, and GTK dumps out a lot of this:  Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[18:04] <jellycode> I actually don't know if it's related to the bug I posted, possibly not, but it did feature the error we have.
[18:05] <jellycode> In any case, it seems to me that the Murrine GTK engine package should depend on the "libcanberra-gtk-module" package.
[18:06] <jellycode> I am now realizing that this channel is probably not a place where any of the package maintainers would be looking for this kind of thing.  i should probably report via launchpad
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> jellycode: that bug is from several years ago and is for an unsupported version of Ubuntu. If you are running that version of Ubuntu you need to upgrade. If you are up-to-date, yes, you need to file a new bug report to have it addressed
[18:07] <jellycode> since 4 year old bugs are in a "new" and "undecided" state, with no comments or response, is it likely that someone will even read my ticket?
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> no
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> at least not when it targets a version of Ubuntu that has reached EOL
[18:10] <jellycode> Like i said, we're on 18.04
[18:11] <ioria> jellycode, what's the app ?
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> GNUCash is what is referenced in the bug ticket
[18:11] <jellycode> it's our proprietary commercial application
[18:12] <jellycode> built on top of WxWidgets and OpenSceneGraph
[18:12] <ioria> jellycode, i cannot commnet on that (probably a gtk2 vs gtk3 thing)
[18:12] <ioria> *comment+
[18:13] <jellycode> So, ioria has pointed out that I might be drawing the wrong conclusion based on this pastebin... https://pastebin.com/7fPq42be
[18:14] <jellycode> sorry, not ioria, someone else
[18:15] <jellycode> i was concluding that the "init" function of libmurrine.so was the reason for the subsequent call to "find library=libcanberra-gtk-module.so [0]; searching"
[18:15] <jellycode> but, maybe not?
[18:17] <ioria> jellycode,   dpkg -l | grep appmenu-gtk
[18:19] <jellycode> no match.  do you mean apport-gtk?
[18:19] <ioria> nope
[18:21] <tomreyn> gtk2 is in universe since 18.04, if this should matter.
[18:21] <tomreyn> your software needs upgrading to gtk3
[18:23] <ioria> jellycode, btw, it's only a warning , right ? or the app does not start at all ?
[18:53] <Neldogz> Hello all, I just deployed a new Ubuntu 18.04 server VM and find that whenever I try to ping a network device on my local LAN I receive the following error: "Temporary failure in name resolution" During the configuration I setup a static IP. As a test I spun up a test server and allowed it to use DHCP and can confirm the issue does not exist when DHCP is used. I have tried setting the static address both during the server install and
[18:53] <Neldogz> through netplan and same issue. Anyone also run into this issue?
[18:58] <SKaplan> Hello. Is it possible to determine if ESM is configured set up correctly on a system from the command line? Example, for 14.04 LTS.
[19:00] <avid_fan> Neldogz: to me, that error points to a DNS issue. Are you trying to ping the address or hostname?
[19:00] <OerHeks> SKaplan, sure you followed their guide after payment?
[19:00] <OerHeks> !esm
[19:01] <SKaplan> I suppose that's proprietary information then. Fun!
[19:02] <sarnold> hey SKaplan -- at least an apt update should show grabbing the Packages and so on lists; I believe they download from esm.ubuntu.com instead of the 'usual' archive mirrors
[19:02] <Neldogz> avid_fan, I am trying to ping the netbios name of a machine on my local LAN. I cannot ping the name nor the name.local
[19:02] <Neldogz> avid_fan, I can ping google.com and other domains on the internet.
[19:02] <sarnold> SKaplan: there may be a better way with 'ua status' or simnilar, but I'm not sure if that's the way you used to install esm or not; iirc there was an older method..
[19:02] <SKaplan> sarnold: Hmmm. Perhaps I can check the configured apt repos to see if esm.ubuntu.com is in there.
[19:03] <OerHeks> sarnold +1 >> v
[19:03] <OerHeks> https://ubuntu.com/blog/ua-services-deployed-from-the-command-line-with-ua-client
[19:03] <sarnold> OerHeks: yay! pretty screenshots even :)
[19:07] <GRAMPUS|2> Im new to ubuntu server. I am trying to setup a crontab command to shut off the monitor at a certain time and the nturn it back on at another time. the command sudo vbetool dpms off/on works from prompt to turn off and on respectively,  but when added to cron tab it doesnt seem to do anything. What am I doing wrong or what do I need to do differently to get this working?
[19:09] <leftyfb> export DISPLAY=0 ; run script
[19:09] <leftyfb> also, make sure you're running this as your user, not root
[19:12] <GRAMPUS|2> Im not sure what you mean
[19:13] <leftyfb> GRAMPUS|2: the command you're running, are you running it as root, your user or with sudo as your user?
[19:14] <GRAMPUS|2> As user
[19:14] <GRAMPUS|2> I assume it doesnt work from the crontab as it requires sudo password.
[19:14] <GRAMPUS|2> I have tried sudo crontab -e and adding it there but still no luck
[19:15] <leftyfb> your 2nd answer contradicts your first answer
[19:15] <leftyfb> GRAMPUS|2: the command you're running, are you running it as root, your user or with sudo as your user?
[19:16] <OerHeks> try without sudo ..
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: You need to use the full path to the application you're executing from crontab. There is no PATH variable in crontab from which the shell can find the executable
[19:17] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: also, if vbetool relies on being aware of $DISPLAY, then that needs to be set
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> Possibly... I thought $DISPLAY was only required for items involving X server
[19:18] <sarnold> GRAMPUS|2: another approach is to use the xset dpms setting and configure that to run from your own user crontab
[19:18] <sarnold> GRAMPUS|2: that only works if you're running X of course, but most people are
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> They're running server... no GUI installed by default
[19:18] <GRAMPUS|2> Ok, so if in user, and I type sudo vbetool dpms off the monitor turns off. If I add that same command to the user crontab it does not work.
[19:18] <GRAMPUS|2> I am no running X
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: What do you see when you enter "whereis vbetool"
[19:19] <GRAMPUS|2> I assume that command would work from the root crontab but no go
[19:19] <GRAMPUS|2> One sec
[19:20] <GRAMPUS|2> - /usr/sbin/vbetool
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> So under "sudo crontab -e" make an entry for "/usr/sbin/vbetool dpms off"
[19:21] <GRAMPUS|2> let me try that :)
[19:21] <GRAMPUS|2> testing
[19:24] <GRAMPUS|2> No go
[19:24] <Neldogz> avid_fan, I was able to fix the issue by using the fix described in this thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2391351 "editing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and adding the DNS server there. I also had to add the local domain name that the DNS server is handling or it wouldn't resolve" I don't understand why this is necessary on a fresh build. Is this normal?
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: What is the purpose of this endevor... if it was me personally... I'd just go to the hardware store and purchase a lamp timer
[19:25] <GRAMPUS|2> Hahah I suppose thats a way to do it. But why buy something when there are ways to automate it
[19:26] <mispp> hey people
[19:26] <GRAMPUS|2> To be honest this is the second project Im working in that has a need for the monitor to shut off automated and it works great on the other, but that uses X
[19:27] <mispp> trying google, but not much success... cockpit on ubuntu 19.10 and cockpit-machines -> anyone know what needs to be done to have it working?
[19:27] <mispp> currently when trying to add a storage volume it says permission denied on the libvirtd socket
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> The situation is that crontab doesn't have the same environment that you do when you execute the commands manually from the terminal. You might have luck with setting the environment variable DISPLAY, but that's usually for handling Xserver
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: ^  ^
[19:28] <GRAMPUS|2> well, lets say you wantedt o shut the monitor off at a certain time on ubuntu server is that htep ath you would take?
[19:29] <sarnold> mispp: does the process running that service have membership in the libvirt group?
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> By default, Ubuntu server has a display timeout and if the monitor supports the command, will send the standby command automatically.
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: ^ ^
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: I don't force things to power off... especialyl with that command, as it requires the same tool to turn the monitor back on. That's fine if you're the only person managing the system. No so great when a team member needs to access the machine during the "off period" and can't figure out how to turn the monitor back on
[19:30] <leftyfb> GRAMPUS|2: what does your logs say after the cron job ran?
[19:31] <GRAMPUS|2> Its only me using it so thats not an issue
[19:31] <mispp> sarnold: to be honest - no clue. i guess this is supposed to be some cockpit process
[19:33] <GRAMPUS|2> How do I check tat lefty?
[19:33] <GRAMPUS|2> that?
[19:33] <mispp> sarnold: but which one? ps -aux | grep -i cockpi shows nothing
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: maybe this article can help. They recommend setthing this up as a bash script.. and then scheduling the bash script to run
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> GRAMPUS|2: http://www.lifewithtech.net/blog/linux/crontab-monitor-on-off-setup
[19:36] <sarnold> mispp: how did you install cockpit? how does it start?
[19:36] <GRAMPUS|2> Ill give that a try
[19:40] <mispp> sarnold: apt install cockpit-machines. starts via socket activation. i would need to mention that libvirtd and kvm work fine over virt-manager, just with cockpit i have the issues where it says
[19:40] <mispp> Virtual Network failed to be created
[19:40] <mispp> Error message: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': Permission denied
[19:41] <akem> Hey, anyone can suggest a voice to text solution on Ubuntu? A program that writes down in a textfile what i speak.
[19:44] <OerHeks> Simon, mycroft,  julius .. none that work flawlessly
[19:44] <akem> OerHeks, I've seen theses, but i think they are not packaged are they?
[19:44] <akem> I'm looking at something called DeepSpeech there.
[19:46] <OerHeks> deepspeech .. the mozilla thingy http://www.michaelvenz.com/2018/10/06/mozilla-deepspeech-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[19:46] <OerHeks> not in our repos though
[19:49] <akem> Yeah, but I think Mycroft isn't there either.
[19:49] <sarnold> mispp: hmm, sorry, this one's a lot more complicated than I thought :( I'm not sure how this is supposed to work..
[19:49] <akem> Thanks for the link BTW OerHeks
[19:51] <GRAMPUS|2> Well I see a part of the issue, the time is off on the server.
[19:56] <akem> Maybe i'll have more luck with Mycroft.
[20:00] <jonfen> linux question, i need to mix audio inputs, is there a non-hardware way to do that?  hopefully a way in linux?  use case: i am taking an internet class over zoom where i am producing audio from one device (3.5mm) and capturing voice over another device (yeti usb mic).
[20:01] <akem> jonfen, You need to do this in realtime?
[20:02] <OerHeks> !jack
[20:02] <sarnold> jonfen: pavucontrol may help you use the usual applications but at some point people doing audio on linux tend to head towards JACK instead
[20:02] <jonfen> JACK?
[20:02] <jonfen> awesome
[20:03] <jonfen> thank you OerHeks, ubottu, sarnold
[20:03] <OerHeks> have fun!
[20:06] <Neldogz> Hello all I just deployed a new Ubuntu 18.04 server VM and find that whenever I try to ping a network device on my local LAN I receive the following error: "Temporary failure in name resolution" During the server configuration I setup a static IP. As a test I spun up a test server and allowed it to use DHCP and can confirm the issue does not exist when DHCP is used. I have tried setting the static address both during the server install
[20:06] <Neldogz> and through netplan and same issue occurs. Anyone else run into this issue? I was able to fix the issue by using the fix described in this thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2391351 "editing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and adding the DNS server there. I also had to add the local domain name that the DNS server is handling or it wouldn't resolve" I don't understand why this is necessary on a fresh build. Is this normal?
[20:08] <mispp> sarnold: no worries, thanks for the effort. i asked also on cockpit irc and these guys had a solution
[20:08] <ioria> Neldogz, in general, no, it's not necessary editing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[20:10] <Neldogz> ioria, thanks for confirming. I am going to spin up a new server. Maybe I configured something incorrectly during the static configuration.
[20:12] <ioria> Neldogz,  atm, i just remember a bug related to the search domain string , but i guess it's another story
[20:13] <Neldogz> ioria, do you recall whether it involved the search domain string not being passed to resolved.conf during server installation?
[20:14] <ioria> Neldogz,  really it produces  a crash of the installer, so you would have noticed
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> Neldogz: If you assigning the Static IP on the server, you will also have to configure the DNS settings. Otherwise how is the server supposed to know where to send its DNS lookups?
[20:15] <ioria> thta's for sure ^
[20:16] <Neldogz> Yup, all the static information was specified during the installation including the IP of the DNS server. I suspect I screwed up the search domain by adding a .local instead of just local
[20:16] <ioria> probably
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> Neldogz: that could possibly do it. Personally I setup all my servers to use DHCP, and configure the DHCP server to keep assigning the reserved IP address to said server. This way network changes (subnets, DNS, etc) are all automatically updated and I don't have to manually adjust every server
[20:19] <ioria> Neldogz,  another explanation is that you might have, somehow, mixed static and automatic configs
[20:20] <Neldogz> Those are good points. This is how its setup now: http://i.imgur.com/UMTXEVb.png
[20:20] <ioria> nope man
[20:21] <ioria> Neldogz,  nameserver 8.8.8.8
[20:21] <ioria> Neldogz,  and subnet ... not sure
[20:22] <ioria> Neldogz,  and remove the search domain
[20:22] <Neldogz> ioria, this is a server on my local lan and I am running a DNS server. Should I still remove?
[20:23] <ioria> Neldogz,  ah.... welll, you can fix it later
[20:25] <ioria> Neldogz,  i mean, after the install you can edit /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml as you wish
[20:28] <Neldogz> ioria, got it thank you!
[20:28] <ioria> ok
[20:29] <TexadimirLeanin> i didnt change anything on my ubuntu desktop and after reboot suddenly there is a new user on my desktop called libvert-quemo, did somebody somehow get access to my machine or is this something that may happen without any changes by the user?
[20:30] <shibboleth> libvirt-qemu?
[20:30] <shibboleth> or libvert-quemo?
[20:30] <TexadimirLeanin> that is what i think
[20:30] <shibboleth> ...
[20:30] <TexadimirLeanin> i thought it was libvert-quemo but i probably misread
[20:30] <shibboleth> precise language goes a long way
[20:30] <Neldogz> ioria, and pragmaticenigma that was the issue. I must of had a period in the search domain in the format of .local. This install works fine.
[20:30] <ioria> Neldogz, good job
[20:31] <Neldogz> ioria, thank you for your help!
[20:31] <ioria> Neldogz, it's ok
[20:31] <TexadimirLeanin> i put libvert-qemu on the /etc/lightdm/users.conf so if it is still there after restart there is something fishy?
[20:31] <TexadimirLeanin> I man i put it as hidden users
[20:32] <shibboleth> which user and group ID?
[20:32] <shibboleth> look in /etc/passwd and /etc/group
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> TexadimirLeanin: First you state that you didn't make any changes before the reboot... now it sounds like you made changes... what did you do?
[20:33] <shibboleth> UID and GID for libvirt-qemu?
[20:33] <TexadimirLeanin> i just checked less /etc/passwd and libvirt-qemu somehow the uid got set to 6000 something
[20:33] <tomreyn> it doesn't make it fishy if hiding the user from lightdm doesn't work, what makes it fishy is that there is a new user while "i didnt change anything on my ubuntu desktop"
[20:33] <TexadimirLeanin> how can this happen all by itself?
[20:34] <TexadimirLeanin> sorry, gid is 128
[20:34] <ioria> TexadimirLeanin, lightdm ?
[20:34] <shibboleth> yeah, that coutns as fishy
[20:34] <shibboleth> counts
[20:35] <tomreyn> here's what i see on a system i have libvirt installed on: libvirt-qemu:x:64055:131:Libvirt Qemu,,,:/var/lib/libvirt:/bin/false
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think we're in a position to know if it is fishy or not... TexadimirLeanin you're not providing a complete picture of what transpired
[20:35] <TexadimirLeanin> shibboleth, do you think there is an explanation how something like this cann change all by itself? could it be tempering by an unknown third party in my absence?
[20:35] <TexadimirLeanin> i am sorry pragmaticenigma
[20:35] <TexadimirLeanin> tomreyn: i see the same
[20:35] <tomreyn> more likely oyu just installed something which installed libvirt-bin
[20:35] <tomreyn> no you dont see the same
[20:35] <ioria> TexadimirLeanin, for general reference : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1197997/getting-rid-of-the-libvirt-qemu-user-in-the-login-screen?noredirect=1&lq=1
[20:35] <TexadimirLeanin> but i also see another line for lightdnm if i am not mistaken
[20:36] <TexadimirLeanin> $ grep -E 'libvirt|qemu' /etc/passwd"
[20:36] <TexadimirLeanin> libvirt-qemu:x:64055:134:Libvirt Qemu,,,:/var/lib/libvirt:/bin/false
[20:36] <TexadimirLeanin> libvirt-dnsmasq:x:124:137:Libvirt Dnsmasq,,,:/var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq:/bin/false
[20:36] <TexadimirLeanin> sorry for the multiline
 sorry, gid is 128
[20:37] <TexadimirLeanin> yes
[20:37] <tomreyn> are gid's changing by the minute?
 libvirt-dnsmasq:x:124:137:Libvirt Dnsmasq,,,:/var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq:/bin/false
[20:38] <shibboleth> same user? no
[20:38] <tomreyn> TexadimirLeanin: have a look at /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:38] <TexadimirLeanin> libvirt-qemu:x:64055:128:Libvirt Qemu,,,:/var/lib/libvirt:/bin/false
[20:38] <TexadimirLeanin> libvirt-dnsmasq:x:120:129:Libvirt Dnsmasq,,,:/var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq:/bin/false
[20:39] <TexadimirLeanin> sorry please disregard the result before
[20:39] <TexadimirLeanin> this second one is the correct one
[20:40] <tomreyn> so which ubuntu release are you running? which software did you install lately?
[20:42] <tomreyn> there's no debian package (deb) containing /var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq in any supported ubuntu release.
[20:43] <TexadimirLeanin> oh
[20:43] <sarnold> sarnold@millbarge:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ag /var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq
[20:43] <sarnold> libvirt-daemon-system.postinst
[20:43] <sarnold> 83:                --home /var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq \
[20:44] <tomreyn> okay, a postinstall :-)
[20:44] <TexadimirLeanin> i had an unatended upgrade...
[20:45] <seere> yes, users are created in postinstall of libvirt-daemon-system too.
[20:50] <shibboleth> TexadimirLeanin> libvirt-qemu:x:64055:128:Libvirt Qemu,,,:/var/lib/libvirt:/bin/false
[20:50] <shibboleth> dead giveaway
[21:03] <denza252> hi
[21:03] <denza252> i've asked this before but my logs are a mess so i must ask again
[21:04] <denza252> what is the most pain-free way to move my ubuntu partition on a dual boot system with legacy boot onto a different hard drive without messing up my boot and stuff
[21:05] <OerHeks> dezyou always need to reinstall grub, or edit it, as the UUID changes to an other disk
[21:05] <OerHeks> denza252 ^^
[21:05] <denza252> how do
[21:05] <OerHeks> !grub
[21:10] <denza252> OerHeks: but how do i do the initial transfer?
[21:10] <denza252> just dd?
[21:10] <OerHeks> yes, dd, clonezilla, lots of choice
[21:10] <OerHeks> !cloning
[21:11] <OerHeks> oh, worng one
[21:11] <zmagii> hey guys is there a night mode for ubuntu studio
[21:12] <zmagii> ubuntu studio 19
[21:12] <tomreyn> !ubuntustudio
[21:12] <OerHeks> denza252, https://askubuntu.com/questions/741723/moving-entire-linux-installation-to-another-drive gives an idea
[21:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Define night mode.
[21:13] <denza252> probably dark theme
[21:13] <CharlesIC> hello, anyone using cheese?
[21:13] <CharlesIC> how do you access preferences?
[21:13] <Casper26> Need Help i installed linux-generic-hwe-16.04 a while back and today i done an apt-get upgrade and get this error run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/x-grub-legacy-ec2 exited with return code 10
[21:13] <Casper26> dpkg: error processing package linux-image-4.15.0-74-generic (--configure):
[21:13] <Casper26>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[21:13] <Casper26> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:13] <Casper26>  linux-image-4.15.0-74-generic
[21:13] <Casper26> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> denza252: Change theme in Appearance to Materia Dark and icons to Ubuntu STudio Dark. Done.
[21:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> !paste | Casper26
[21:14] <tomreyn> Casper26: you just got muted due to pasting too much. this will be undone in a minute or so.
[21:15] <denza252> OerHeks: for clonezilla, can it be run in a normal desktop session?
[21:17] <OerHeks> denza252, sure, on a live session
[21:17] <OerHeks> i would not clone a running system though
[21:17] <denza252> i have a buntu 19.10 boot usb freshly burned and it'd be nice to just be able to use clonezilla in a DE in case i need to look at documentation
[21:17] <denza252> ofc
[21:17] <denza252> i'll shut down, boot into the liveusb buntu, and then do the do
[21:17] <OerHeks> :-)
[21:18] <denza252> is there a "safer"/fuller shutdown than just systemctl poweroff
[21:18] <denza252> or is that sufficient
[21:19] <OerHeks> just shutdown like you used to?
[21:19] <denza252> fair
[21:19] <Casper26> sorry
[21:19] <bprompt> denza252:  doesn't clonezilla run off a bootable usb?
[21:19] <denza252> i noticed it's also a package in the archives
[21:19] <denza252> !package clonezilla
[21:20] <denza252> !info clonezilla
[21:20] <denza252> :<
[21:20] <denza252> ah
[21:21] <bprompt> denza252:  if you burn the ubuntu ISO with persistent storage, you can boot with it and install apps, the persistent storage keeps those apps and configurations saved for any subsequent live-sessions
[21:21] <bprompt> so, yes, you can run clonezilla from a live-session
[21:22] <tomreyn> or you runit without persostent storage and just install during runtime
[21:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Change theme in Appearance to Materia Dark and icons to Ubuntu Studio Dark. Done. If you want, you can also use redshift to help remove blue light from the screen.
[21:23] <bprompt> yeah, true, you can just install it in the live-session with no persistent storage, only thing is the installation is only good for that live-session only, once you reboot it'll go kaput
[21:23] <denza252> here goes nothing
[21:24] <denza252> and denza was never seen again
[21:26] <Casper26> Here is the link to the output i get when running apt-get upgrade https://pastebin.com/rnbvNnHs
[21:27] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: how can you use redshift?
[21:28] <zmagii> I already use materia dark
[21:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Install gtk-redshift. Start it from the whisker menu (will appear as Redshift). It will be a system tray icon. Click on it, click "Autostart" if you desire it to run at startup. If you wish to edit its parameters, you can from "Startup Applications" in the settings, you can get the command line arguments from "redshift --help" in a terminal.
[21:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> (might be redshift-gtk, idk right now.)
[21:33] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: thanks a lot
[21:35] <zmagii> I have another question (if anyone uses Ubuntu on a MacBook) is there a simple way of disable the startup chime? I've seen online that you can do that in online recovery mode, but I recall that when I tried to start online recovery mode (for something else) it sort of just hanged.
[21:37] <tomreyn> apple chime would refer to the hardware / firmware, maybe ##hardware or, if there is, some apple / mac channel can help with it.
[21:37] <tomreyn> !alis
[21:39] <zmagii> thanks
[21:48] <acresearch> so people, for crontab -e   i have to enter a file and modify it with my schedule right?   is there a way to do that from a single command?
[21:52] <elphias> may i ask a question that is slightly off-topic? it still has to do with computers, and somewhat with ubuntu as well
[21:53] <tomreyn> !ot
[21:53] <elphias> but im not getting any responses in ot
[21:54] <elphias> thats why i was hoping to ask it here
[21:56] <UJack> Hallo
[21:56] <UJack> I am having an issue trying to see saved wifi passwords on my Ubuntu
[21:56] <UJack> It is 18.04+ version, afaik, and I am in terminal
[21:56] <UJack> but all the Google documents try and have me access a directory or files that do not exist
[21:57] <UJack> Before anybody asks, no this machine does not have GUI, only CLI and I am SSH to it locally
[21:59] <tomreyn> nmcli connection show --active
[21:59] <tomreyn> nmcli connection show --show-secrets CONNECTIONNAMEGOESHERE
[22:00] <UJack> I have to install nmcli
[22:00] <UJack> (My apologies, must also get Snap core)
[22:00] <tomreyn> then you don't have network-manager installed and are using some other network managent system
[22:01] <leftyfb> UJack: Are you running snappy core?
[22:01] <tomreyn> in which case the above commands wont help you
[22:01] <UJack> I think that is true because I had problems managing the network originally
[22:01] <leftyfb> UJack: if so, then you'll want to /join #snappy We cannot support that here
[22:01] <UJack> It wasn't how networks were usually managed (using Ubuntu for a very long time)
[22:01] <tomreyn> what does this output?    lsb_release -ds
[22:02] <leftyfb> tomreyn: will that determine if it's Ubuntu Core? I don't think it will
[22:02] <UJack> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[22:02] <tomreyn> not sure, i hope it would
[22:02] <UJack> I think this version of Ubuntu somehow uses a default network management service
[22:02] <leftyfb> I don't think so. It's the same "version" of ubuntu
[22:03] <leftyfb> UJack: where did you get that version of ubuntu? What sort of hardware is it running on ?
[22:03] <UJack> Got it official from website, running on a very old laptop
[22:03] <UJack> How can I tell which service is managing my networks / connections?
[22:03] <UJack> Whatever the default one used to be (I never change them or experiment), this Ubuntu was different for me to set up, which I did a few months back
[22:03] <leftyfb> UJack: how have you been connecting to wifi?
[22:04] <UJack> and I remember having some issues configuring the network originally
[22:04] <UJack> I mean, however I originally set it up in CLI
[22:04] <tomreyn> do you know what exactly oyu installed, do you still have the iso file?
[22:04] <UJack> I remember having to enter the network name and password when I was doing the install, but afterwards I had an issue and all the normal Google commands and such for network configuration had changed on me (been using Ubuntu many years now
[22:05] <UJack> I mean, not sure, but I got the primary download from the official website, no kind of bootleg version or anything and nothing experimental
[22:06] <UJack> netsh command is not on this system
[22:06] <tomreyn> what does this output?    dpkg -l | wc -l
[22:06] <UJack> 886
[22:06] <tomreyn> can't be core then
[22:07] <leftyfb> yep, that would be zero. In fact, I don't even think dpkg is available on core
[22:07] <UJack> Not sure what that means, would it make a difference if I installed it as like "server" install?
[22:07] <leftyfb> UJack: try /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:08] <UJack> That conf file does not exist
[22:08] <UJack> Three .sh files in that directory
[22:08] <leftyfb> UJack: try /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:08] <UJack> Blank'
[22:10] <UJack> OH
[22:10] <UJack> I remember what it is called now
[22:10] <UJack> netplan?
[22:10] <tomreyn> so you probably installed ubuntu server
[22:11] <leftyfb> UJack: then look in /etc/netplan/
[22:11] <tomreyn> https://netplan.io/examples#connecting-to-a-wpa-personal-wireless-network
[22:11] <UJack> Yep :D  haha
[22:11] <UJack> I found the .yaml file and was like ohhhhh
[22:12] <UJack> I wish I could have remembered earlier that it was netplan they changed to, I went through all this crazy mess. My roommate forgot the wifi password (setting up a new laptop, so it was needed)
[22:12] <tomreyn> note it's generally useful to know which variant of ubuntu you are installing, some of these are very different to others.
[22:12] <UJack> My main machine is hardwired in, so no saved wifi on it. Had to SSH into my little laptop server and then ran into this problem haha. 20 minutes in and now it is working flawless :)
[22:12] <UJack> Thanks guys (and girls)
[22:13] <UJack> How can I easily discover which variant I am using?
[22:13] <tomreyn> apparently not so easily
[22:13] <UJack> Because, afaik, I was using Core. But you are also talking to somebody who used a Windows 7 machine for 90+ days thinking it was Windows 10 and couldn't tell the difference, so go figure.
[22:14] <tomreyn> you seem to be running ubuntu server 18.04 LTS there
[22:14] <tomreyn> apt list --installed ubuntu-server      could verify this somewhat.
[22:15] <UJack> Yes
[22:15] <UJack> afaik, it is Ubuntu server 18.04 LTS - which is not core?
[22:15] <tomreyn> there should also be /var/log/installer/subiquity-debug.log i think
[22:16] <tomreyn> right, ubuntu-server is not the same as ubuntu-core
[22:16] <UJack> Ah, likely "netplan" is one of the differences, the primary issue I ran into so far.
[22:16] <UJack> (and, I mean, I've had this thing up and running for a good while now with no other notable problems)
[22:17] <tomreyn> core is for minimalist em,bedded systems, to be mostly remotely controlled. it has no debian packages (.deb), no packages managed with 'apt'.
[22:28] <FreeBDSM> hello, I hit something hotkey and now it looks like the screen is zoomed in like a magnifying glass and the zoom area follow cursor, how to stop that?
[22:30] <OerHeks>  Just go to Universal Access in Settings and disable Zoom.
[22:30] <OerHeks> or https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-mag.html.en
[22:31] <FreeBDSM> aw, crap, it's probably DE-related, should ask on #xfce
[22:31] <FreeBDSM> thanks for the hint, OerHeks
[22:32] <FreeBDSM> found it
[22:32] <FreeBDSM> alt + mouse scroll
[22:46] <Manouchehri> What's the "proper" way to install the hwe edge kernel?
[22:50] <OerHeks> see the howto, Manouchehri
[22:50] <OerHeks> !hwe
[22:51] <Manouchehri> OerHeks: that's hwe, not hwe next.
[22:51] <Manouchehri> er, hwe edge*
[22:52] <OerHeks> just add -edge
[22:52] <OerHeks> linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge and so on
[22:53] <leftyfb> Manouchehri: add -edge to the package name as stated in the package name that you searched for because you're doing something like installing a cutting edge/unsupported kernel and you know what you're doing
[22:53] <Manouchehri> thanks!!
[22:53] <Manouchehri> I was doing linux-generic-hwe-edge-18.04
[22:54] <leftyfb> Manouchehri: if you don't know how to search for package names, you probably shouldn't be installing a cutting edge kernel
[22:54] <jeremy31> I would suspect 5.3 kernel will be in linux-generic-hwe in a few weeks
[22:54] <Manouchehri> leftyfb: eh, debatable. I do a bit of kernel work, never done any apt or ubuntu dev ;)
[22:55] <Manouchehri> I wanted to install the master package instead of force installing one version and then never getting updates :)
[22:58] <leftyfb> funny thing, looks like linux-generic-hwe-18.04 and linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge are the same exact version as of today
[22:58] <Manouchehri> that's odd
[22:59] <Manouchehri> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/linux-generic-hwe-18.04
[22:59] <Manouchehri> shows as 5.0.0.x here
[23:01] <leftyfb> ah, it's proposed
[23:01] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GYJdHGx3YB/
[23:02] <OerHeks> hwe gives 5.0.x, edge gives 5.3.x
[23:02] <jeremy31> So it might be better to enable proposed and install linux-generic-hwe-18.04 for a short time
[23:02] <leftyfb> OerHeks: hwe from proposed gives 5.3
[23:02] <OerHeks> i see
[23:04] <Manouchehri> hmm, so I feel like I'm having a fair amount of display lag with my eGPU sometimes.
[23:05] <Manouchehri> it almost feels like I'm rendering on the wrong GPU and then mirrored back
[23:11] <Manouchehri> yeah I'm seeing less than 60 fps with glxgears
[23:24] <Manouchehri> ah closing the lid seems to have helped a lot
[23:26] <Manouchehri> the frig, the Intel GPU is still being used for Chrome
[23:35] <Manouchehri> super ugly, but removing my Intel GPU PCI device worked lol