| Sven_vB | do we have any tools that help me upgrade my BIOS more than lswh -> find mobo model -> find manufacturer website -> find update info? | 00:06 |
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| OerHeks | !info fwupdate | 00:08 |
| ubottu | fwupdate (source: fwupdate): Transitional package for fwupd. In component universe, is optional. Version 12-7 (eoan), package size 3 kB, installed size 13 kB (Only available for amd64; i386; armhf; arm64) | 00:08 |
| OerHeks | https://itsfoss.com/update-firmware-ubuntu/ | 00:08 |
| OerHeks | more info https://github.com/rhboot/fwupdate | 00:10 |
| conr | does anybody have a ubuntu box they screen share into with a macOS device pretty regularly? | 00:10 |
| Sven_vB | thanks! | 00:11 |
| ryuo | Sven_vB: not really, no. anything that works from Linux will be machine specific. IOW, not generally applicable. | 00:25 |
| Sven_vB | yeah looks like I'll need to either find an actual floppy drive or install windows or manage to boot MSDOS from a thumbdrive. | 00:26 |
| ryuo | Sven_vB: i generally use windows for this purpose because it's the most common method people use. i've always wondered about the lesser used options. | 00:27 |
| Sven_vB | oh some people write FreeDOS works as well, that might be worth a try. | 00:27 |
| ryuo | though i have used the FreeDOS method as well. | 00:28 |
| Sven_vB | I'd even have a legit Win2k somewhere, but then I'd need an optical drive. also I think I just remembered where I do have a floppy drive. | 00:29 |
| Sven_vB | haha, I was just wondering how I could slow down my BIOS startup so I can read its version. Pause key actually does what it says. | 00:30 |
| OerHeks | it all depends on the vendor, i guess | 00:31 |
| OerHeks | but many joined this project | 00:31 |
| Sven_vB | and meh, seems like it's actually almost the latest version. there are 2 more updates but none of them list EFI support in their changes. | 00:31 |
| Sven_vB | oh now I remember what the bios_grub partition was for. I had hoped it would allow loading the EFI GRUB from the ESP. would have been too easy. | 00:33 |
| Sven_vB | looks like I'll need to actually install totally another GRUB then. :( | 00:33 |
| arooni | can imwheel be changed for only one app? like chrome? | 00:49 |
| arooni | it seems to be universal | 00:49 |
| Sven_vB | will Ubuntu drop support for non-EFI BIOSes some time in the foreseeable future? | 00:55 |
| OerHeks | in 10 years there will be hardly any left, i guess | 00:56 |
| OerHeks | like IDE drives and Floppy | 00:56 |
| Sven_vB | I'm kind of a leisure historian :)) | 00:56 |
| Sven_vB | but 10 years is probably good enough to warrant installing a Xenial on that box. | 00:57 |
| Sven_vB | maybe I should even give Bionic another try. | 00:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | Sven_vB: As i'm sure you have seen mentioned here before. This channel is operated by volunteers. Those types of decisions are made at Canonical internally, and unless the put or a press release or other notice, there is no one here that can definitively state what will be the future of Ubuntu | 00:58 |
| Sven_vB | pragmaticenigma, thanks for reminding me! | 00:59 |
| Sven_vB | yeah in the worst case I can't even know if there will be any Ubuntu in 10 years. | 01:00 |
| blscoe | Hi. Someone know how I can log all the incomming and outcomming network request using the terminal? I have a small server and I want to check and register the access information in a log format. | 01:00 |
| OerHeks | crossposting... lets wait for an answer in #debian | 01:01 |
| Sven_vB | blscoe, would tshark be an option? | 01:04 |
| Sven_vB | blscoe, however, what do you mean by access information? logins via network? would you be able to decrypt them? or are you using unencrypted logins? | 01:05 |
| Sven_vB | blscoe, depending on the services to be monitored, there may be easier ways. | 01:05 |
| blscoe | Sven_vB. I look for the ip and date information and a program that consume less resource as possible. | 01:06 |
| Sven_vB | in that case a netfilter rule might be a better choice, that logs connection attempts to some port. | 01:06 |
| blscoe | The traffic is over https, but I have access, is a personal server. I need only the requests with time and dest/origin info. | 01:07 |
| tds | for https look at your webserver's logs | 01:07 |
| Sven_vB | blscoe, yeah a netfilter rule. #ubuntu-server might know the details. | 01:08 |
| blscoe | Sven-vB I use ufw, there are any problem or conflit with netfilter? (I use ubuntu server, I will try to question on this room) | 01:10 |
| blscoe | tds: I need to change log level in apache? | 01:11 |
| blscoe | are there* | 01:12 |
| blscoe | do I* | 01:12 |
| tds | blscoe: you shouldn't do, those should go to an access log by default | 01:15 |
| Sven_vB | blscoe, if you use Apache you can probably configure very fine-grained logging, and it will be a lot easier than ensuring your custom config doesn't conflict with ufw. | 01:17 |
| Sven_vB | however, if you're concerned about resource usage, maybe you should rethink apache a bit. ;) that one has a lot more impact than which network sniffing approach you use. | 01:19 |
| blscoe | tds: access.log | 01:22 |
| blscoe | :P | 01:23 |
| blscoe | the AVAST visit my server =/ | 01:23 |
| blscoe | thks mate! | 01:23 |
| Intelo | in vbox How much performance loss should I expect for a guess os as compared to a standalone os ?( ubuntu tls is guess, windows or ubuntu can be host) | 02:34 |
| kk4ewt | depends on your resources | 02:37 |
| kk4ewt | maybe 5-10% | 02:38 |
| Intelo | kk4ewt, really? | 02:38 |
| OerHeks | incomclusive, it all depends on your hardware, and performance loss will only happen when you run 100% on all cores, even then, nobody can give %. | 02:38 |
| Intelo | kk4ewt, if its just a 10% loss, I would always use guess os | 02:38 |
| Intelo | OerHeks, Hi,how have you been? | 02:38 |
| Intelo | OerHeks, I have M6700 dell, 25g ram | 02:39 |
| OerHeks | with ubuntu as host, use KVM | 02:39 |
| Intelo | OerHeks, not vbox? | 02:39 |
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| OerHeks | well, unless you want windows as guest | 02:40 |
| Intelo | OerHeks, why prefer kvm? | 02:41 |
| OerHeks | Intel Core i7-3840QM .. i think your mouse will never stutter | 02:41 |
| kk4ewt | libvirt is loads better than vbox | 02:41 |
| OerHeks | i think kvm is faster than vbox | 02:42 |
| Intelo | also, what .extension should be of disk image so it runs on vbox and kvm and other places as well | 02:42 |
| Intelo | OerHeks, ok, any other reason for kvm like features? | 02:42 |
| sarnold | qemu-img can convert between formats if necessary | 02:43 |
| Intelo | hm | 02:43 |
| Intelo | ok, if I have 25g ram, how much max should I give to guest os, Also what about cpu cores? | 02:44 |
| sarnold | memory and cpu depend entirely on what you do with it | 02:44 |
| leftyfb | depends on what you're doing with it, what you expect to give other guests, what OS it's running, etc. These really aren't Ubuntu questions though | 02:44 |
| sarnold | I've got VMs with one core and 512M memory, and VMs with 28 cores and 64 gigs memory | 02:45 |
| OerHeks | 8 gb no problemo | 02:45 |
| Intelo | sarnold, run intellij idea :) | 02:47 |
| Intelo | OerHeks, 8g for what? | 02:48 |
| Intelo | sarnold, I just want to run intellij idea on guest os | 02:48 |
| sarnold | I haven't run that in ~19 years.. I suspect it takes a bit more memory these days | 02:48 |
| Intelo | sarnold, oh what IDE do you use for development then? I think idea was not there 19 years ago either | 02:49 |
| sarnold | wikipedia says 8gigs or more recommended for android dev work; so probably give it twelve to sixteen gigs | 02:49 |
| sarnold | Intelo: vim | 02:49 |
| Intelo | sarnold, hm | 02:49 |
| Intelo | sarnold, pretty awkward for refactoring. no? | 02:49 |
| OerHeks | android9/6gb is pretty common now | 02:50 |
| Intelo | OerHeks, ok | 02:50 |
| sarnold | guests can often get away with less ram than you suspect, because the host will cache the filesystem image too; but compiling and linking and so on does usually eat memory.. | 02:50 |
| Intelo | sarnold, vim isn''t an ide. n | 02:50 |
| myuser | Is there a way to verify a copy partition was completed correctly? Maybe with Gparted? | 02:50 |
| Intelo | sarnold, oh | 02:51 |
| Intelo | sarnold, my filesystem image of gues is min 8g. I don't think host will cache that | 02:51 |
| Intelo | How can I see the shared folder in guest os (both guest, host are ubuntu) | 03:04 |
| Intelo | vbox shared folder | 03:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | Intelo: That is a question you should ask in the virtual box support group | 03:05 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, ubuntu supports this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/SharedFolders | 03:06 |
| Intelo | and have an official help topic | 03:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | A topic message from 2014 ... seems a little out of date to me | 03:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | I didn't say it wasn't supported... I suggested a better resource for getting help | 03:07 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, ya but you know #vbox is not active | 03:08 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, just wondering how to see something shared in network | 03:08 |
| sarnold | depends upon how you shared it; windows systems often use SMB networking, smbclient or smbmount or cifsmount or similar may help there | 03:09 |
| sarnold | different filebrowsers may make it easier to use those exported filesystems, if you've got a file browser you like look around its documentation | 03:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | Intelo: that all depends on how you setup your virtual box instance. Personally I just share the folder like I would in a normal instance, then make sure the network configuration is setup so my vbox instance is getting a network ip from my DHCP so any system on my network can access it | 03:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | Intelo: In other words, I setup networking on vbox to be "Bridged" | 03:11 |
| Intelo | sarnold, I did it by this timeframe snap https://youtu.be/89HDKvTfR_w?t=89 | 03:11 |
| Intelo | sarnold, both guest and host are ubuntu | 03:11 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, hm | 03:12 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, its NAT at the time. | 03:13 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, shouldn't it do | 03:14 |
| michael_p | hi anyone had any sucess on getting world of warcraft to work | 03:15 |
| Intelo | what is sudo snap install something? | 03:16 |
| sarnold | it installs that something via the snap package manager | 03:18 |
| sarnold | see eg https://snapcraft.io/store | 03:18 |
| Intelo | sarnold, why go for snap rather than apt? | 03:21 |
| Intelo | sarnold, will snap act like package manager and will also upgrade software like apt does? | 03:21 |
| sarnold | Intelo: there's a handful of different tradeoffs -- the snap package can often be more up to date with what upstream releases than the .deb packages, since .deb packages are intended to only backport specific bug fixes when necessary; snaps instead can package whatever is newest | 03:22 |
| sarnold | Intelo: the snap package may also have some sandboxing in place via apparmor profiles, seccomp execution constraints | 03:23 |
| sarnold | Intelo: snap will automatically update packages, yes | 03:23 |
| sarnold | Intelo: snap packages applications with squashfs, which means they can be compressed and binary differences can be published, allowing for faster downloads of just what changed between releases, too | 03:24 |
| sarnold | Intelo: it's a bit like apple's app store or android's app store | 03:24 |
| Intelo | oh | 03:24 |
| Intelo | sarnold, so if it has more stable and latest code, why even use apt? | 03:24 |
| sarnold | Intelo: that's a good question; a lot of people prefer to keep things 'unchanged' with just bug fixes and security updaets applied; other people can't stand the ~/snap/ directory that the snap packages use; other people don't like the /snap/ path that is used for executables, etc.. | 03:25 |
| sarnold | Intelo: it's a way for people to select the tradeoffs they want; some people prefer the snap ecosystem, some prefer the deb ecosystem | 03:26 |
| sarnold | Intelo: the 'ubuntu core' project is built around trying to deliver *everything* as a snap https://ubuntu.com/core -- it's probably best considered mostly for IOT sorts of things but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a good choice for a wider variety of deployments in the future | 03:28 |
| Intelo | sarnold, ok | 03:33 |
| Intelo | sarnold, cannot get shared folder shared.. | 03:33 |
| sarnold | Intelo: sorry, I've never used virtual box, no idea what to do there | 03:34 |
| Intelo | k | 03:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | Intelo: If it is set for NAT, then you would have to setup port forwarding in vbox for what ever filesharing/remote access method you plan on using for accessing your files | 03:35 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, I am setting in bridge | 03:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | I've got to sign off for the evening, wish you luck | 03:36 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, what next? | 03:36 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, ok | 03:36 |
| sarnold | gnight pragmaticenigma | 03:37 |
| Intelo | which port to forward? | 03:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | Intelo: If you have set vbox to bridged mode, there is no port to forward, you can access the virtual machine directly with its assigned IP address | 03:39 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, its bridge but I do not have the ip nor internet working | 03:41 |
| Intelo | I do not see anything in 'network' | 03:41 |
| pragmaticenigma | then I'm at the limit of what i can help you with here | 03:41 |
| pragmaticenigma | I've also gotta get going | 03:41 |
| Intelo | pragmaticenigma, sure; thanks! | 03:42 |
| Intelo | stuck at 'setting up network address' | 03:42 |
| ScaredySquirrel | what is Ubuntu Eoan? | 04:07 |
| ScaredySquirrel | I am using Ubuntu Focal | 04:07 |
| ScaredySquirrel | ok heh | 04:08 |
| ScaredySquirrel | Eoan is 19.10 | 04:08 |
| ScaredySquirrel | and Focal is 20.04 LTS | 04:08 |
| Intelo | ScaredySquirrel, is focal out? | 04:16 |
| Intelo | in april I think | 04:16 |
| rud0lf | probably there gonna be betas month or two before | 04:19 |
| ScaredySquirrel | well focal isn't out | 04:22 |
| ScaredySquirrel | it's the beta yes | 04:22 |
| ScaredySquirrel | maybe the alpha? | 04:22 |
| ScaredySquirrel | one problem is that it might actually be behind the newest ubuntu | 04:22 |
| ScaredySquirrel | the stable eoan | 04:23 |
| ScaredySquirrel | like for example the firefox is not version 72 like eoan | 04:23 |
| ScaredySquirrel | and the kernel might not be the newer when comparing | 04:23 |
| ScaredySquirrel | oh and uh I have a video of a Fennec Fox | 04:25 |
| ScaredySquirrel | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPLg9QQerg | 04:25 |
| isomari | greetings, after upgrading from coamic to eaon, I'm still seeing kernel v4. How do I upgrade to the latest kernel? | 04:29 |
| chowder | hey can anyone help me set the right platform for NetBeans? I installed it straight from the repos and didn't configure anything. I googled the problem but I can't seem to get things to work. Fatal Error: Unable to find package java.lang in classpath or bootclasspath | 04:37 |
| Bashing-om | !info linux-image-generic eoan | 04:39 |
| ubottu | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.3.0.26.30 (eoan), package size 2 kB, installed size 16 kB | 04:39 |
| Bashing-om | isomari: Pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep linux- '. Let's see what is installed. | 04:41 |
| chowder | Bashing-om, are you addressing me? | 04:43 |
| * chowder brain isn't working right now | 04:43 | |
| Bashing-om | chowder: No, was directed to isomari . | 04:44 |
| ScaredySquirrel | lol ok Bashing-om I see I have linux-image-generic 5.4.0 | 04:45 |
| chowder | oh ok, my mistake. I'm running on fumes right now. | 04:45 |
| ScaredySquirrel | that's from focal | 04:46 |
| ScaredySquirrel | my problem is I don't know where the newest firefox for focal is | 04:46 |
| ScaredySquirrel | i think it isn't available for focal at version 72 but is for eoan | 04:46 |
| Bashing-om | !20.04 | ScaredySquirrel | 04:47 |
| ubottu | ScaredySquirrel: Ubuntu 20.04 (Focal Fossa) will be the 32nd release of Ubuntu, scheduled for April 2020 ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule ). It will be a long-term support release. Join #ubuntu+1 for support and questions. | 04:47 |
| ScaredySquirrel | you can put movies on vinyl and also music and stuff | 04:49 |
| WaV | How involved is the upgrade process, from LTS to LTS? In this case 18.04 to what will be Focal Fossa or 20.04. Speaking as someone who has just migrated to Linux from Windows as of Sept/Oct, I never actually had an opportunity to upgrade OSs yet. | 04:57 |
| chowder | WaV, I just do a fresh reinstall | 04:57 |
| chowder | but the ubuntu installer pretty much does everything for you | 04:57 |
| chowder | its not involved at all | 04:58 |
| WaV | I'd imagine you could also just do-release-upgrade, correct? Also, is it common for any applications to break during an upgrade? | 05:00 |
| Bashing-om | WaV: easy peasy - Terminal way ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo do-release-upgrade ' where the 18.04 install is as close to default as possible. | 05:00 |
| chowder | WaV, its possible for all kinds of shit to go wrong during an upgrade. To be honest, I work in the IT industry. I don't trust ANYONE'S software. That's why I throw everything in an external hard drive and do a clean reinstall. | 05:01 |
| chowder | I have little faith in Ubuntu right now due to NetBeans not working when installed straight from the repos | 05:02 |
| WaV | I see. In that case, I'll probably hold off when it comes upgrade time. I don't have any extra hardware laying around to back-up my stuff, and I've been procrastinating buying another hard drive for months now. | 05:02 |
| chowder | WaV, always good to have a backup | 05:03 |
| WaV | I've been going back and forth between buying something additional to throw inside my laptop versus getting external storage instead. | 05:04 |
| WaV | I have two more slots inside my laptop for storage drives. | 05:05 |
| chowder | honestly most external hard drives are just regular hard drives with a special little board that allows them to accept USB input/output | 05:05 |
| Bashing-om | WaV: SSDs are a wonderful upgrade :) | 05:05 |
| WaV | I've got a 1TB NVME already :) | 05:05 |
| chowder | so if you buy a good external you could potentially turn it into an internal HDD if you don't mind tearing it apart | 05:06 |
| Bashing-om | WaV: :D | 05:06 |
| WaV | I'm regretting not making /home a separate partition. That would've made upgrading quite a bit easier. | 05:08 |
| Sterist | heya folks!! got me a new laptop, and stupidly I didn't note how I had my previous multiple installs configured for partitions... | 05:12 |
| Sterist | is it possible to assign /home to multiple installs, without causing conflicts? | 05:12 |
| chowder | you would get clashes between dotfiles | 05:12 |
| chowder | its better to have a unique /home and then maybe keep a partition for all of your data like videos, documents, etc | 05:13 |
| chowder | you don't want the configurations that are stored ~/.config and elsewhere in your home folder to clash | 05:14 |
| chowder | just set up fstab to mount things where you need them. | 05:14 |
| chowder | so you have a data partition with a "Videos" folder then just mount it at ~/Videos | 05:14 |
| chowder | just make sure you read the docs if you've never edited the fstab | 05:15 |
| WaV | ^^ That is what I should've done. | 05:15 |
| Sterist | another question, is there a GUI based tool that can configure grub2? it previously kept launching the distro I used least.... and I am definitely not "one-with-the-terminal" n the terminal is not "one-with-me" | 05:16 |
| WaV | Yes, there is. I came across it on YouTube on ChrisTitusTechs channels, but I forgot what it is called. | 05:17 |
| Sterist | I have done some fstab edits before, but was with assistance, as well as many years ago | 05:17 |
| WaV | I think it is just called "Grub Customizer" | 05:18 |
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| fannagoganna | @extor have you looked at x2go? It's substantially better than VNC | 06:21 |
| wings | Hi folks | 06:21 |
| fannagoganna | #mint | 06:22 |
| wings | quick question - when I use dd, does the blocksize I choose impact anything other than how the dd works? | 06:22 |
| wings | in other words will anything be different between a 512K block size and a 2MB block size (as an example) once the dd is finished? | 06:22 |
| rfm | wings, no, it only affects how long the dd takes, the same bytes go no matter what | 06:35 |
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| rfm | wings, dd is very simple, read (blocksize bytes), write (blocksize bytes) repeat until end | 06:36 |
| wings | rfm: awesome, thanks. That was roughly my understanding but I wanted to check :) | 06:37 |
| wings | cheers for confirming. | 06:37 |
| toffe | https://imgur.com/a/dx4uF5h | 07:20 |
| toffe | anyone seen this before? It happens once or twice a month on my pc | 07:20 |
| toffe | reboot it works perfectly fine again | 07:20 |
| warsoul | looks scarey | 07:21 |
| warsoul | *scary | 07:21 |
| toffe | Yeah, but what is weird is that a reboot and it works perfectly fine | 07:21 |
| toffe | it just happens usually when I'm not at work | 07:21 |
| ryuo | toffe: nope, but i just found it in the kernel source. | 07:27 |
| ryuo | toffe: it's specific to the ext4 driver. no idea what triggers it but it appears when a call to buffer_uptodate returns false. | 07:27 |
| toffe | hmm | 07:28 |
| toffe | I found a tip on this page https://askubuntu.com/questions/905710/ext4-fs-error-after-ubuntu-17-04-upgrade | 07:28 |
| toffe | I do not have a samsung nvme drive but a LENSE30512GMSP34MEAT3TA | 07:28 |
| ryuo | toffe: i also found that error in the nvme error injection documentation. | 07:29 |
| toffe | But I'll try the kernel parameters he refers to as it might be affecting other nvme drives aswell | 07:29 |
| toffe | ryuo: what kind of docu? Meaning there is an answer to why it happen? | 07:29 |
| ryuo | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/fault-injection/nvme-fault-injection.html | 07:30 |
| ryuo | not really, but this does mention it. | 07:31 |
| ryuo | fault injection is for testing code under failure conditions afaik. | 07:31 |
| OERIAS | Hello everyone, I need help with an issue | 07:32 |
| ryuo | OERIAS: did you try rebooting!? | 07:33 |
| ryuo | :) | 07:33 |
| OERIAS | ryuo, it is an issues pertaining to Unity | 07:33 |
| ryuo | unity? that was dropped some time ago. | 07:33 |
| OERIAS | it does not let me search for files or applications | 07:33 |
| OERIAS | yeah but gnome isn't any better | 07:33 |
| ryuo | i don't use the gnome interface really, so maybe someone else can help you. | 07:37 |
| chimneys | hi | 07:41 |
| chimneys | how do i record sound | 07:41 |
| Sterist | when disabling swap, can I get away with simply doing swapoff? | 07:45 |
| Sterist | or if it just going to re-apply after reboot | 07:45 |
| geirha | you remove the entry from /etc/fstab to make it permanent | 07:47 |
| sumagnadas | EriC^^ there? | 08:07 |
| OERIAS | Hello everyone, I need help with an issue | 08:08 |
| OERIAS | it is an issues pertaining to Unity | 08:08 |
| sumagnadas | hello | 08:09 |
| OERIAS | the search feature does not pull up applications or files when searching for a file or application | 08:09 |
| chimneys | hi | 08:19 |
| chimneys | how do i conduct linpack benchmarks | 08:19 |
| chimneys | does ubuntu provide apps | 08:19 |
| sumagnadas | hey eric | 08:33 |
| sumagnadas | can anyone help me fix chrome in ubuntu | 08:40 |
| hide4 | o/ | 08:57 |
| hide4 | hello world | 08:57 |
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| hide4 | hide4 /beep | 09:04 |
| pomeha | hello. We have a corp MITM proxy, how to install it's cert to the list of trusted ones? | 09:18 |
| tomreyn | pomeha: see update-ca-certificates(8) for most softwares, but if you run desktops you will need to fiddle with web browsers and probably other clients seperately | 09:26 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: that's a headless ubuntu (under windows), I know that update-ca-certificates command/util is used to update the list of installed certs, but thing is it looks like I used wrong certs or certs in wrong format or something and my question is more about that part | 09:27 |
| tomreyn | pomeha: what is "it" that made it seem so? | 09:28 |
| tomreyn | you should be storing your local CA certificates in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates in PEM format | 09:30 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: I visit, say, google.com (from browser on windows) and I see certs chain: X>Y>Corp enterprise proxy>www.google.com. I can use only windows tools to obtain those certs. Is it enough to obtain just X? or do I need a chain X>Y>Corp enterprise proxy? | 09:30 |
| tomreyn | pomeha: okay, i was hoping you'd seen a warning message when running update-ca-certificates | 09:30 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: no, but maybe my certs are in wrong format. Windows doesn't offer to save directly into .pem, it offers to save X.509 (.CER) in DER or Base64 or into a .p7b PKCS #7 container | 09:32 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: as far as I understand .pem .cer .crt are interchangable and I should choose base64 .cer, right? | 09:33 |
| tomreyn | you can convert certificates using openssl | 09:33 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: afaiu I'd need to convert only if I'd choose DER format rather than base64 | 09:35 |
| tomreyn | linux doesn't care about file extensions (for the very most part, some applications use them as indication) but about file content. you will need PEM formatted certificates (or a certificate chain, if you have a intermedia CAs) | 09:35 |
| tomreyn | base64 is an encoding, not a file format. | 09:35 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: the format is X.509, isn't that what PEM is? | 09:36 |
| pomeha | wait, no! they are different! | 09:36 |
| pomeha | that's why it didn't work for me! | 09:36 |
| tomreyn | PEM is a base64 encoded DER (Distinguished Encoding Rules) certificate. this and other variations are used in X.509. | 09:40 |
| pomeha | now I'm confused | 09:41 |
| pomeha | so is X.509 not a format? | 09:42 |
| tomreyn | not a file format, no | 09:42 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: and about certs chain - so will importing just X from my example will suffice? Or do I need to import a chain of X>Y>Corp enterprise proxy? | 09:43 |
| pomeha | my understanding of how chains of trust work tells me that X should be enough | 09:44 |
| tomreyn | are you the most suitable person to deal with this in your company? maybe you have someone who has worked on this topic more? | 09:46 |
| pomeha | yeah, thanks | 09:47 |
| tomreyn | i would not recomend the proxy setup in the first place, unless you're lawfully required to. | 09:48 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: that's the only way to access internets and yes, I need it | 09:51 |
| pomeha | thing is, everybody is on windows, it is pre-configured there and admins can manage it using group policies, but I need linux utils so I've installed ubuntu (WSL) | 09:52 |
| tomreyn | ah so you're tasked with rolling out X.509 with a company CA and MITM proxy in your company, but this infrastructure already exists and you just want to make your WSL installation use it. | 09:53 |
| tomreyn | * you're NOT tasked | 09:54 |
| rubendv | does anyone know the status of this bug https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21999222 in 18.04? | 09:55 |
| rubendv | (Firefox zero-day, fixed in 72.0.1 but latest ubuntu version is 71.0) | 09:55 |
| tomreyn | so all you should need to do is to store the company's certificate chain in PEM format in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/somthing.crt and configure the system to use the type of proxy server your company provides. | 09:56 |
| tomreyn | pomeha: ^ | 09:56 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: yes, exactly. Problem is that I already tried that and it failed. Maybe I got lost in all that der/pem/cer b/s, trying it again now. Or maybe I need a damn chain in pem, instead of a single cert and I don't know how to use windows to save a cert chain, I know only how to save separate certs from a chain. | 09:58 |
| tomreyn | https://askubuntu.com/questions/175172/how-do-i-configure-proxies-without-gui | 09:59 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: the proxy is mitm, just configuring proxy doesn't make, say, curl, work with https without -k key | 09:59 |
| tomreyn | right, you need both, the system wide proxy configuration and the installed certificate chain for your enterprise CA | 10:00 |
| tomreyn | normally, your company's CA would provide all certificates with usage instructions in different environments / on different OS at a central location, often a website. | 10:02 |
| pomeha | the first part is done | 10:02 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: the company thinks everyone is content with just windows as clients | 10:02 |
| pomeha | so they use group policies to configure everythting | 10:02 |
| tomreyn | sorry to hear this, luckily that's not our problem, but the cxcompanies' | 10:03 |
| tomreyn | lacking a website as the one discussed above, your approach of storing certificates which form the enterprise CA certificate chain from a web browser is an option (if a somewhat poor one, unless you'll verify them seperately). | 10:04 |
| pomeha | update-ca-certificates says 0 added, 0 removed, done :-( | 10:04 |
| tomreyn | you will need to convert them to PEM format and may want to concatenate them into a single file (though that's not actually required). | 10:05 |
| tomreyn | don't add the server certificate, just the CA and any intermediary certificates. | 10:05 |
| pomeha | so I need the whole chain, not just X | 10:06 |
| pomeha | okay | 10:06 |
| tomreyn | you can use the "file" command to identify the format of an existing file | 10:06 |
| tomreyn | example: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt: PEM certificate | 10:06 |
| tomreyn | but you need to place the company CA certs in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/ | 10:07 |
| tomreyn | not the whole chain, because you don't want to include the server certificate | 10:07 |
| pomeha | well, yeah, the whole chain minus the site's | 10:08 |
| pomeha | (the site I'm viewing) | 10:08 |
| tomreyn | !wsl | pomeha: generally, if you'll need WSL specific support (this was generic to ubuntu so i didn't bring this up before): | 10:12 |
| ubottu | pomeha: generally, if you'll need WSL specific support (this was generic to ubuntu so i didn't bring this up before):: Windows 10 has a feature called Windows Subsystem for Linux, which allows it to run Ubuntu (and other Linux distro) userspace programs without porting/recompliation. For discussion and support, see #ubuntu-on-windows or ##windows. For installation instructions, see https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide | 10:12 |
| pomeha | okay, thanks | 10:13 |
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| calIn- | hello. | 10:56 |
| tomreyn | hi | 10:56 |
| calIn- | i need one server. | 10:56 |
| calIn- | someone? | 10:56 |
| tomreyn | !support | 10:57 |
| ubottu | The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com | 10:57 |
| tomreyn | calIn-: i mean: this is the ubuntu support channel, do you have an ubuntu support question? | 10:58 |
| calIn- | what is one ubuntu? | 10:59 |
| tomreyn | !ubuntu | 11:00 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com | 11:00 |
| calIn- | ok. | 11:03 |
| calIn- | and what can i win? | 11:03 |
| calIn- | i go. | 11:06 |
| calIn- | not interested. | 11:06 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: I tried everything, chain, separate certs, nothing works :( | 11:13 |
| tomreyn | pomeha: so "file", run against the .crt file you placed in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/ , reports what? | 11:25 |
| pomeha | tomreyn: OMG! it finally works!! turns out you can't put certs into that dir, you have to put them in a SUBDIR there! | 11:26 |
| pomeha | and no, no chains | 11:26 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 11:29 |
| pomeha | shouldn't /etc/profile.d/*.sh files get automatically executed by all users upon login? | 11:29 |
| pragmaticenigma | if you're using a shell that leverages that directory, yes | 11:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | *leverages the use of files found there | 11:31 |
| pomeha | ah, zsh doesn't sauce /etc/profile | 11:31 |
| ryuo | pomeha: hungry? | 11:31 |
| pomeha | ryuo: yeah | 11:32 |
| tomreyn | i'm pretty sure you can place certificates right into /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/ | 11:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | pretty sure too... the key is to make sure you run "sudo update-ca-certificates" after adding them | 11:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | though you would need to check /etc/ca-certificates.conf to see what paths it is searching through to be certain | 11:38 |
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| howudodat | hey guys, I'm having a weird issue with e1000e driver on a machine that is in a lab (so not connected to this chat). on boot it is loading an older version of e1000e so it is not recognizing my intel i219-LM eth card. if i rmmod e1000e and modprobe e1000e then it loads the newr driver (built from src) and find the card no problems. dmesg pre/post shows that the old driver is loaded then the new driver | 12:06 |
| ryuo | howudodat: did you rebuild your initrd? | 12:13 |
| howudodat | no, after building the src I did a depmod, but not initrd.... | 12:18 |
| ryuo | howudodat: well, the old module may be in the initrd still. | 12:20 |
| ryuo | howudodat: if it's loaded from initrd, that explains the issue. | 12:20 |
| ryuo | try this and reboot: update-initramfs -u -k all | 12:20 |
| howudodat | ryuo: that did it, can't belive I missed that, thanks for the help | 12:24 |
| jamie_1 | hey, anyone else been having issues with discord? when im running discord and join a voice channel or voice call it will sart to stutter on occasion and crash randomly | 16:01 |
| hailhydra | I need help with a third monitor. Ubuntu isn't recognizing USB-C to HDMI connection as a display | 16:07 |
| OerHeks | hailhydra, some adapters will not work on linux, but for a start: did you have the monitor enabled from boot? | 16:10 |
| hailhydra | OerHeks: what does that mean? | 16:11 |
| hailhydra | how do I enable a monitor on boot? | 16:11 |
| OerHeks | did you have it plugged in, when booting? | 16:12 |
| OerHeks | and truned on, ofcourse | 16:12 |
| OerHeks | c/turned | 16:12 |
| hailhydra | yes | 16:12 |
| hailhydra | I see a SO question saying that I should change the type to thunderbolt | 16:12 |
| hailhydra | someone had a mini usb type c problem and they changed the settings in bios | 16:13 |
| hailhydra | sometimes I dual boot into my windows partition would this affect it in windows? | 16:13 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: Does the monitor configuration work if you're in windows? | 16:14 |
| hailhydra | pragmaticenigma: yes. I have my laptop display, an HDMI and the port in question the usb type c. They all work simultamiously in Windows with latest Nvidia drivers | 16:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: Do you have the nvidia drivers installed in Ubuntu? | 16:15 |
| hailhydra | In windows having 3 displays is no problem. However Ubuntu doesn't detect the usb type c | 16:16 |
| hailhydra | yes I have fairly new Nvidia drivers | 16:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | fairly new means what, hailhydra ? | 16:16 |
| hailhydra | I think Nvidia is at 340 and Im at like 338 | 16:17 |
| hailhydra | I might be a Call of duty update or 2 off | 16:17 |
| hailhydra | or whatever BS patch they released over the holidays | 16:17 |
| OerHeks | you might want to try the driver ppa | 16:18 |
| hailhydra | I'll update my propriatary drivers just in case. BRB | 16:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: applications would have no impact here... this should be strictly a driver/system configuration issue | 16:18 |
| hailhydra | I know I was just throwing shade on Nvidia | 16:18 |
| OerHeks | https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 16:18 |
| OerHeks | 418-435-440 | 16:18 |
| hailhydra | just checkd I'm at 435 | 16:20 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: best to stay focused on the support issue, and leave personal opinions aside, makes things less confusing to help you | 16:20 |
| hailhydra | gotcha | 16:20 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: If you go into the Nvidia Control Panel application, does it detect the monitor? | 16:21 |
| hailhydra | Nvidia X server settings? | 16:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | yep | 16:21 |
| hailhydra | interesting that loads a window with no options | 16:22 |
| hailhydra | it has a help and quit button | 16:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | not sure why that would happen, unless you have dual graphics chipset in your machine. Where it's currently using the Intel Graphics instead of the Nvidia chip | 16:23 |
| hailhydra | looks like there is only an nvida-settings for 418 | 16:28 |
| hailhydra | https://dpaste.org/3eaW | 16:28 |
| hailhydra | so maybe just use 418 driver? | 16:29 |
| OerHeks | driver and settings should matchm yes, install 418? | 16:30 |
| hailhydra | crap 418 isn't an option in additional drivers dialog | 16:31 |
| Voziv | Does anyone know of a way to fix multi-screen screen sharing in Ubuntu 18.04/19.10? Zoom seems to be the only app that can share a single monitor. Discord/Google Meet/Slack all see the multiple monitors as one giant screen | 16:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: what is the output of : lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' | 16:31 |
| hailhydra | Discord is so broke for Ubuntu. | 16:31 |
| hailhydra | pragmaticenigma: https://dpaste.org/yWBc | 16:32 |
| OerHeks | discord is a binairy proprierity blob, we cannot do anything about that | 16:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | Voziv: That is a question that you would have to direct to the developers of those apps (probably filing it as a bug.) The difference would be in how the application itself is asking the OS for the display configuration. There isn't really anything you can do from the Ubuntu side of the equation | 16:33 |
| hailhydra | https://dpaste.org/UfpE | 16:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: I'm not sure what to recommend... you have both Nvidia and AMD graphics chipsets on that machine. | 16:35 |
| hailhydra | yeah its a Ryzen processor | 16:35 |
| hailhydra | could I just write an xorg config for the third monitor? | 16:37 |
| hailhydra | xrandr https://dpaste.org/8tiX | 16:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: Your configuration is something that is very unfamiliar to me. xrandr would require the computer to at minimum recognize that there is a 3rd screen atached... which it is not currently doing | 16:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: I know there is a command, but I can't find it. That would tell you what graphics chipset is currently in use. | 16:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | hailhydra: I suspect that the issue is the AMD graphics chip is currently active, and the Nvidia is not (which would explain why the nvidia tool isn't displaying anything) | 16:40 |
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| hailhydra | maybe I can disable integrated graphics in bios | 16:41 |
| telmac | I'm pretty sure that I have a dead hard drive on my computer, but I don't know how to find out which one it physically is (there are quite a few hard drives in this desktop) | 16:51 |
| telmac | the reason I think so is that that uefi complains about a hard drive being dead on boot, and I have to go through a weird menu maze to get out | 16:52 |
| telmac | but if I run lshw, among the various drives it only gives the ones that are actually live and working | 16:52 |
| OerHeks | your bios will tell what port, easy to spot if the drives all have a different size | 16:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | telmac: The BIOS should be able to tell you... or else unplug all the drives and plug one in at a time until you get the message on boot | 16:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gnome-disks will give you serial numbers of the drive | 16:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | sixwheeledbeast: that won't help in determining which one is the dead drive | 16:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | sixwheeledbeast: unless you're talking about the SMART controls output that offers a serial number | 16:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if the drive has the serial number on it's label | 16:55 |
| OerHeks | it could, if all drives are equal. | 16:55 |
| OerHeks | then spot the drives that are detected, and the last one is the bad disk | 16:55 |
| telmac | yeah I want to avoid pulling them out one by one | 16:57 |
| telmac | oh yeah, I ran a smart test a while back and it was able to find the dead one - but I can't remember how I did that? | 16:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gnome-disks again has a GUI for SMART | 16:58 |
| OerHeks | well, good luck, you have enough clues to detect it | 16:58 |
| telmac | pragmaticenigma: the uefi is like, I can't even seem to get to any menus I'm used to being able to find with a normal bios | 16:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | telmac: if you don't have a gui installed "smartctl" from the command line can generate a report | 16:59 |
| telmac | ah yes thanks | 17:00 |
| Iarla | On my daughters laptop (Dell Latitude E4310), the mouse cursor sometims starts drifting and she can't do anything with it, including homework. There is a poiting stick on it and a trackpad. How do I narrow down the likely cause and eleminate it? | 17:02 |
| pragmaticenigma | Iarla: Is your daughter using the nub in the middle of the keyboard? | 17:02 |
| VLMC | Hi. I'm trying to get XRDP to work on Ubuntu 18.04.2 Gnome. Reading online, there seems to be an issue with the XRDP package on this release, and everyone recommends this ppa https://launchpad.net/~martinx/+archive/ubuntu/xrdp-hwe-18.04 but the owner deleted the package from the PPA. What happens is when connecting to XRDP, I either get kicked out if using "Xorg", or if selecting "XRdp", I get a blue screen and eventually get told "Conection problem, giving | 17:03 |
| VLMC | up\nsome problem" | 17:03 |
| Iarla | pragmaticenigma: the pointing stick thing? No, but we do wiggle it to try and stop the arrow moving by itself. | 17:03 |
| Iarla | We'd be delighted to disable it. | 17:03 |
| VLMC | Iarla: Probably in your BIOS | 17:04 |
| VLMC | Or remove the trackpoint nub physically | 17:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | Iarla: On many of my laptops that have featured the little nub in the middle of the keyboard, they've all suffered from the drifting problem. I have never seen an issue with the touch/track pad. However, if your daughter is doing a lot of mousing with the computer, I would personally recommend getting a standard USB mouse to use. | 17:04 |
| MibixFox | is there a way to combine a bunch of mount locations in to one folder? | 17:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | Iarla: I think over time the nubs develop small shorts in them or the rubber wears out and doesn't return the nub to it's home position, so it gets stuck in the direction it was last moved. | 17:05 |
| Iarla | Thanks for the advice pragmaticenigma and VLMC. I encourage her to use a mouse but she doesn't like having another thing to bring with her. But, I'm very happy to hear that it is likely the nub. I will try and disable that. | 17:05 |
| MibixFox | like have /mtn/E /mnt/F and /mnt/G all be combined and show up in /mnt/H | 17:05 |
| telmac | hm | 17:05 |
| telmac | so it's difficult to tell from gnome-disks whether it's simply not displaying the dead drive, or which one is the dead one | 17:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | MibixFox: There is not | 17:05 |
| VLMC | Iarla: We have a lot of ThinkPads here at the office. The trackpoints do go bad and start sticking in a particular direction if you nudge it accidentally. | 17:05 |
| MibixFox | dang pragmaticenigma so i cant have a bunch of movie folders on a bunch of disks show up as one big movie folder somehow? | 17:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | MibixFox: the best I can come up with is the folder you'd like to have all the files appear is to make symbolic links to the mounted folders... you'd still have a folder for each mounted folder there... there is no way that I'm aware of the have a single folder show the contents of multiple other foldres | 17:08 |
| Iarla | VLMC: I think on the Dell, the might not be seperate. I only see the option to disable; 1) Serial Mouse, 2) PS2 Mouse, 3) Touchpad/PS-2 Mouse | 17:08 |
| hailhydra | when I press Ctrl+Alt+[1-6] I can't get a tty | 17:09 |
| hailhydra | I just get a black screen | 17:09 |
| VLMC | Iarla: $ xinput -set-prop "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint Stick" "Device Enabled" 0 | 17:10 |
| hailhydra | sorry Ctrl+Alt+[F1-F6] | 17:10 |
| hailhydra | how can I check the Kernel config? | 17:12 |
| Iarla | VLMC: thanks. I'll see what my equivalent device is with xinput | 17:12 |
| rralf | zcat /proc/config.gz -- what you mean by check? | 17:12 |
| Iarla | VLMC: Oh, that's exactly what I need, haha! Thank you :) | 17:14 |
| VLMC | yw! | 17:14 |
| VLMC | If it doesn't stick, put it in your autostart | 17:15 |
| Iarla | thanks, I'm doing that now | 17:15 |
| Iarla | Final question for anyone. In Gnome three, there were two items in the autostart. I accidentally deleted one, but SSH Key Agent remains. What did I delete? :) | 17:17 |
| VLMC | I don't think it's anything important | 17:18 |
| OerHeks | Iarla, nobody can answer that | 17:18 |
| VLMC | if you notice your system catching fire, call your fire department | 17:18 |
| OerHeks | oh, a "helpfull" answer | 17:19 |
| Iarla | :D | 17:19 |
| Iarla | It's a vanilla install. | 17:19 |
| pragmaticenigma | Iarla: even with a "vanilla" install, it's hard to know what might have actually been installed there to start. best I could say is if it was important, you will eventually notice it and be here asking about how to get it back | 17:20 |
| Iarla | Fair point. Thanks, I'll do that. | 17:20 |
| VLMC | anyone has an idea for my xrdp question? | 17:21 |
| OerHeks | !info xorgxrdp-hwe-18.04 | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Package xorgxrdp-hwe-18.04 does not exist in eoan | 17:23 |
| OerHeks | it does, ubottu, https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic-updates/xrdp-hwe-18.04 | 17:24 |
| OerHeks | oh, without xorg | 17:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | VLMC: are you trying to use xrdp with gnomeshell? | 17:24 |
| VLMC | pragmaticenigma: yes | 17:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | try setting it up with LXDE or XFCE instead | 17:25 |
| pragmaticenigma | VLMC: https://medium.com/@vivekteega/how-to-setup-an-xrdp-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-89f7e205bd4e | 17:25 |
| VLMC | hm not ideal but okay | 17:25 |
| VLMC | pragmaticenigma: did that | 17:25 |
| pragmaticenigma | I'm suspecting it's the same rerason I can't setup VNC the way I'm familiar with. GDM and KDM don't set their magic cookies until after a user has authenticated. xRDP and xVNC require that magic cookie to hook into the display | 17:26 |
| VLMC | I also couldn't set up VNC, which I'm trying to avoid like the plague because of its really weak encryption | 17:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | VLMC: you might be able work around it by installing the lightdm manager inplace of the gdm one | 17:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | (apologies if the acronyms are slightly off, I hope you understand what I'm referencing) | 17:28 |
| VLMC | I do | 17:28 |
| VLMC | KDM is dead, it's SDDM now | 17:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | Correct | 17:29 |
| pragmaticenigma | VLMC: This is the reason that I'm referring to: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/622 | 17:29 |
| pragmaticenigma | it also applies to the Gnome implementation | 17:29 |
| VLMC | hm | 17:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | VLMC: I only use VNC, however, I don't use any remote desktop protocol directly... my setup requires either tunneling through SSH or a VPN connection to reach my remote desktops | 17:32 |
| VLMC | This is a machine propped up at our reception's TV | 17:32 |
| VLMC | Since it's on our network, I'd like to have some amount of encryption to prevent our guests from Watch_Dogging the reception TV lol | 17:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | If it is a machine that is set to auto-login... you could write a script to start the xRDP service after authentication has taken place | 17:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | ah | 17:33 |
| VLMC | right now we use KDEConnect | 17:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | Hopefully the change in Desktop Managers does the trick? | 17:34 |
| VLMC | yea | 17:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | I do see that thread I pointed to had an update this past summer with a workaround/solution | 17:34 |
| VLMC | probably the dead PPA | 17:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | no... they're recommending setting up a systemd service | 17:35 |
| VLMC | who in their right mind would remove a package from an old PPA | 17:35 |
| VLMC | ah | 17:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | I don't think the PPA removal was malicious... just might have gotten to far out of date with the developer version and was too difficult to maintain | 17:37 |
| dmt420 | yo so im new to linux and i have a question. There was a variant of linux that couldnt see my wifi so i ditched it and then i tried MXlinux and it sees my wifi.. to me thats a good indication that this version of linux is a good one out of the box | 17:41 |
| dmt420 | im gonna try ubuntu-mate on this machine now because linuxmint was having issues with my monitor | 17:41 |
| dmt420 | it appears i dont really have a question | 17:42 |
| dmt420 | :D | 17:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | UM is a good distro to get started on | 17:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | dmt420: What we can ask though, is that you please try to stick to Ubuntu related problems only here... the volunteers can't help with other distributions. That said... Most distributions are built from the same source. In fact all the ones you listed are originally based from Debian (which is also where Ubuntu originated from) | 17:45 |
| dmt420 | my apologies pragmaticenigma | 17:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | dmt420: So what works with one, should have worked with the others. There are times where a driver or software update was released in one distro but wasn't included in another. In truth, it's better to use what works best for your setup, than to worry about the name of the distribution. | 17:46 |
| dmt420 | setting up the usbket atm | 17:47 |
| dmt420 | key* | 17:47 |
| kinghat | lel https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1215326964455813122 | 17:47 |
| dmt420 | ok | 17:48 |
| dmt420 | im gonna test out the UM key now | 17:48 |
| pr0metheu5 | hi guys, having a weird problem. Trying to dual boot with windows 10 and install 18.04 but every time I get to the "installation type," option in the installer, I don't see anything and if I try adding a partition the installation crashes | 17:56 |
| pr0metheu5 | I have tried switching sata from ahci to raid and back again, but the problem still persists | 17:57 |
| g3poandlsl | is it possible to configure apt to look in a directory other than /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for repos? | 18:03 |
| tomreyn | !md5 | pr0metheu5 | 18:04 |
| ubottu | pr0metheu5: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows | 18:04 |
| tomreyn | pr0metheu5: most likely at least one of the following happened: the iso file did not download properly; the iso file was not properly written to the installer media. | 18:05 |
| tomreyn | you don't want "raid" set in bios | 18:06 |
| pr0metheu5 | I ran the check within the options menu while booting from usb to make sure the image was written properly and it didnt detect any errors tomreyn ubottu | 18:06 |
| pr0metheu5 | I've set it back to AHCI tomreyn | 18:08 |
| tomreyn | pr0metheu5: hmm, then i guess we need to see some logs. press ctrl-alt-t to open a terminal, then bring the system online (using the top right corner network icon) if that's not alreadey the case, then run, on the temrinal: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 | 18:08 |
| tomreyn | g3poandlsl: you can try adding a symbolic link to files in a different location. | 18:10 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: it's very likely to be a mbr with stray gpt data, boot the installer's try ubuntu, open and terminal and type "sudo partsfix /dev/sdx" where sdx is your disk name | 18:11 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: sorry, that's sudo fixparts not partsfix | 18:11 |
| tomreyn | g3poandlsl: or try running it with -o 'Dir::Etc::Parts "/etc/apt/conf.d/:/your/other/location/" | 18:12 |
| hesco | which package provides the atd daemon? | 18:12 |
| pr0metheu5 | ok I'm gonna try that in a sec, trying to reinstall windows now EriC^^ | 18:12 |
| g3poandlsl | tomreyn, I'm trying to have sources.list.d be an empty directory and have apt look in a different directory for additional repos | 18:12 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: are you using legacy mode? (not uefi) | 18:13 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: k before you run any fixparts options it gives you check back in and report what it says | 18:14 |
| g3poandlsl | tomreyn, thanks for your help with this. Your suggestion pointed me to the 'Dir::Etc::SourceParts' config item. | 18:14 |
| tomreyn | g3poandlsl: well if you can ignore /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ it should be easy, you just need -o 'Dir::Etc::Parts "/your/other/location/"' | 18:14 |
| pr0metheu5 | @Eric^^ No, using UEFI | 18:14 |
| hailhydra | when using an Nvidia driver does ubuntu use X server? | 18:14 |
| tomreyn | g3poandlsl: oh you're right, that's the right option | 18:15 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: oh ok, not a gpt stray data issue then | 18:15 |
| pr0metheu5 | @Eric^^ should it be Legacy? | 18:15 |
| EriC^^ | no, uefi is fine | 18:16 |
| EriC^^ | just that the problem is from something else, not stray(leftover) gpt data, anyways once you are one with windows check back in | 18:16 |
| EriC^^ | if the same problem happens, logs might show why | 18:17 |
| tomreyn | hailhydra: i don't think xwayland is supported with nvidia, yet, so it'd have to use X for graphical output, htough i'm not sure you need it if you just want computation. | 18:17 |
| hailhydra | I just want my 3rd monitor to work | 18:17 |
| tomreyn | hesco: at | 18:18 |
| hesco | thanks tomreyn. appreciated. | 18:20 |
| Kon- | Canonical, update Firefox. Prioritizing the Snap package for security updates is not exactly positive PR or building mindshare for Snap | 18:20 |
| lotuspsychje | !discuss | Kon- | 18:21 |
| ubottu | Kon-: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! | 18:21 |
| tomreyn | hesco: you're welcome. you can use "apt-file" to find out yourself, too. | 18:21 |
| damoreno | hello. I'm trying to install Ubuntu in an old Zotac. The problem is that the moment I get into the installer, the display goes black. Pretty sure that is something related with the drivers as I can set nomodeset in grub to bypass this. What should I do? | 18:25 |
| lotuspsychje | damoreno: can you share to the channel wich graphics your device uses? | 18:25 |
| damoreno | amd radeon hd 6310 | 18:26 |
| lotuspsychje | damoreno: and the ubuntu version you are trying? | 18:27 |
| damoreno | 18.04 | 18:27 |
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| lotuspsychje | damoreno: at wich point do you get a black screen? | 18:29 |
| damoreno | lotuspsychje the moment I press enter with the default option | 18:29 |
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| lotuspsychje | damoreno: default option? | 18:30 |
| damoreno | installer option | 18:30 |
| hesco | thanks again, tomreyn. have installed and been toying with apt-file, even after an apt-get update, it seems to hang, w/o producing a result. But will continue to try and sort that out. | 18:30 |
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| tomreyn | damoreno: just use nomodeset then, if this works? | 18:31 |
| damoreno | tomreyn xorg doesn't works with that set | 18:31 |
| hesco | never mind. guess I was being impatient. it did finally returned a result, after all. | 18:31 |
| lotuspsychje | damoreno: did you test the live mode too? | 18:34 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: so you're saying that while trying to install ubuntu 18.04, when you boot normally, the screen goes blank immediately after the grub menu (and before X even starts), and if you boot with "nomodeset" the screen still goes black by the time X starts? | 18:34 |
| damoreno | lotuspsychje yes | 18:35 |
| tomreyn | which exact version of ubuntu 18.04 is this? 18.04.0, .1, .2, .3? | 18:35 |
| damoreno | tomreyn let me repeat the steps to put exactly what happens. Burning a 18.04.3 as it's slightly more recent that the one I have | 18:35 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: consider using flash or a hdd storage instead of optical media, it often works better. also: | 18:37 |
| tomreyn | !md5 | damoreno | 18:37 |
| ubottu | damoreno: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows | 18:37 |
| EriC^^ | damoreno: with the live installer, if you use nomodeset does it show stuff and allow you to install? | 18:38 |
| arooni | anyway to set a different mouse speed for a logitech trackball and leave all other input devices the same? | 18:40 |
| Intelo | My ubuntu starts directly, how can I enter recovery mode? | 18:41 |
| Intelo | at boot | 18:41 |
| EriC^^ | Intelo: hold shift when the pc boots | 18:41 |
| EriC^^ | then advanced > recovery | 18:41 |
| Intelo | thx | 18:42 |
| EriC^^ | arooni: settings should have something, possibly under its own icon or maybe mouse | 18:42 |
| arooni | EriC^^:seems like its one universal setting for all mouse devices | 18:42 |
| EriC^^ | Intelo: np | 18:42 |
| arooni | would be nice to have a per device speed | 18:42 |
| EriC^^ | arooni: are you using xorg or wayland? | 18:44 |
| arooni | EriC^^: how do i tell? i'm just using the default on 18.04 | 18:45 |
| arooni | is one better than the other? | 18:45 |
| EriC^^ | arooni: try "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" | 18:46 |
| arooni | EriC^^:x11 apaprently | 18:46 |
| arooni | so guessing thats xorg? | 18:46 |
| arooni | is that the default? | 18:46 |
| EriC^^ | arooni: ah ok, so xorg, you can use xinput to change the speed of the trackball | 18:46 |
| damoreno | Ok. Trying Ubuntu without installing throws me this when setting nomodeset: "ERROR: no UMS support in radeon module.". After that, I get some ubuntu splashscreen and the the display goes black and no signal is detected | 18:47 |
| arooni | EriC^^:with wayland can you change it? | 18:47 |
| arooni | also which is the default ? | 18:47 |
| EriC^^ | arooni: i think xorg is default on 18.04 i'm not sure | 18:49 |
| EriC^^ | i'm on 16.04 still so no idea | 18:49 |
| arooni | so i could theoretically run a script that would change xinput values just when i use this device | 18:49 |
| EriC^^ | yeah you could do something like let udev run a script when it detects it plugged in, or maybe some config in xorg i guess would work too | 18:51 |
| damoreno | EriC^^ funny enough setting radeon.dpm to an invalid value got me to a black screen and a cursor. After that, back to the same problem | 18:52 |
| arooni | ooh fancy | 18:52 |
| sumagna | EriC^^: there? | 18:53 |
| ioria | damoreno, boot with 'radeon.modeset=0' | 18:55 |
| sumagna | hey can anyone, mainly eric^^, help me setup swap in ubuntu | 18:56 |
| sumagna | ? | 18:56 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: hey | 18:57 |
| sumagna | you said you will help me setup swap | 18:57 |
| sumagna | swapfile | 18:58 |
| Intelo | How to really FORCE complete checking of / and repairing on reboot? | 18:58 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: yeah, how big do you want the swap size? | 18:58 |
| Intelo | I tried a lot but none succeeded | 18:58 |
| sumagna | my ram is 4gb | 18:58 |
| sumagna | i mean my laptop's RAM is 4 GB | 18:58 |
| echoSMILE | what's the best option to change mouse scroll settings? I was using imwheel but is too buggy. I'm with xfce4, I think default ubuntu windows manager have this settings, but how can access from xfce the settins panel from default ubuntu WM ? | 18:58 |
| damoreno | ioria: that gets me the same error than nomodeset: "ERROR: no UMS support in radeon module." and then goes to black | 18:59 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: ok, do you need hibernation? | 18:59 |
| sumagna | what will that do? | 18:59 |
| sumagna | i heard of hibernation but what does that do? | 19:00 |
| sumagna | i think it shut downs the computer but the system state and data is stored | 19:00 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: it saves the state of your pc and shuts down (completely not like suspend does keeping ram powered), when you turn it back on it continues | 19:00 |
| sumagna | right? | 19:00 |
| EriC^^ | right | 19:00 |
| sumagna | yea, i think i will keep hibernation | 19:01 |
| ioria | damoreno, 'radeon.modeset=1' , after that try some dpm value | 19:01 |
| sumagna | as my laptop's battery is too old and if i think i can hibernate the pc and boot it up when i have plugged it n | 19:02 |
| damoreno | ioria: radeon.modeset=1 goes to black directly. dpm value 0 doesn't work either | 19:02 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: alright, type "sudo fallocate -l 4.4GB /swapfile" | 19:03 |
| sumagna | wait | 19:03 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: try blacklist=radeon | 19:04 |
| sumagna | back | 19:04 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: wb | 19:04 |
| sumagna | doesnt it need free space/unallocated space ? | 19:04 |
| pr0metheu5 | I just got finished installing ubuntu with dualboot win 10 but grub didnt come up for some reason | 19:04 |
| pr0metheu5 | went straight to windows | 19:04 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: not really, it's going to be a file instead of a partition | 19:05 |
| sumagna | ok | 19:05 |
| sumagna | what was the commadn | 19:05 |
| sumagna | *command | 19:05 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: alright, type "sudo fallocate -l 4.4GB /swapfile" | 19:05 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: aha, are you in the ubuntu live usb right now? | 19:06 |
| pr0metheu5 | EriC^^ no somehow the installation got fixed after I reinstalled windows | 19:06 |
| pr0metheu5 | but I didnt finish the windows setup and just proceeded installing ubuntu dual boot, I'm wondering if thats why it didnt work | 19:06 |
| sumagna | it says "fallocate failed: Text file busy" | 19:06 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: nah i doubt | 19:06 |
| pr0metheu5 | me too | 19:07 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: that leads me to the ubuntu splash screen with the loading bar (points) and the black screen | 19:07 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: in any case, can you boot the live usb, you can troubleshoot stuff from there | 19:07 |
| sumagna | Eric^^: it says "fallocate failed: Text file busy" | 19:07 |
| pr0metheu5 | I can try "bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi" in cmd prompt | 19:07 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: hmm, i guess we need to examine what the actual problem is then | 19:07 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: i wonder if it already created swap, heh, type "swapon -s" | 19:07 |
| tomreyn | !bootlog | damoreno | 19:07 |
| ubottu | damoreno: To get a more verbose log of the boot process, remove "quiet" and "splash" from the kernel boot parameters and add "debug systemd.log_level=info". For info on editing kernel boot parameters, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters | 19:07 |
| pr0metheu5 | should I try that EriC^^ or just boot live ubuntu? | 19:07 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: does it list any swaps? | 19:07 |
| damoreno | tomreyn got the same problem with libreelec | 19:08 |
| sumagna | yea | 19:08 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: you can also boot to recovery and then get us some logs to look at | 19:08 |
| tomreyn | !recovery | damoreno | 19:08 |
| ubottu | damoreno: If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode | 19:08 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: nah, better to troubleshoot, plus that command is for uefi not legacy | 19:08 |
| sumagna | https://termbin.com/4yvj | 19:08 |
| sumagna | output of the command | 19:08 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: the first with or without blacklist? | 19:08 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: try without first | 19:09 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: yup it already created a 2GB swap | 19:10 |
| sumagna | so now what? | 19:10 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: nothing obvious with the first one. Shows text and then goes to black screen | 19:10 |
| pr0metheu5 | @Eri | 19:10 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: nothing, seems all good | 19:10 |
| pr0metheu5 | EriC^^ the bcdedit cmd in cmd prompt worked | 19:10 |
| c0fe | i have network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed on my bionic system but running network-manager or nm-connection-editor i keep getting command not found error. what am i doing wrong? | 19:10 |
| EriC^^ | pr0metheu5: ah great | 19:11 |
| sumagna | you were allocating 4.4 gb but now it has way lesser space allocated to it | 19:11 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: yeah, for hibernation usually you want a little more than the memory | 19:11 |
| sumagna | so ? | 19:11 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: what does "free -h" give? | 19:12 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: also, not installed so no recovery right? | 19:12 |
| sumagna | https://termbin.com/kjun | 19:13 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: wrong, i think. | 19:13 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: seems like the installer only added half, you can make it 4.4GB if you want | 19:14 |
| sumagna | how? | 19:14 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: with blacklist I see more output and things getting loaded but eventually it goes to black | 19:15 |
| damoreno | is there a way to start ubuntu live but go to a terminal instead of to the desktop? | 19:16 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: recovery work with 18.04.3, just tested. you need to add it as a linux parameter | 19:16 |
| tomreyn | *workS | 19:16 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: type sudo swapoff -a | 19:16 |
| damoreno | tomreyn is an option like debug? | 19:16 |
| sumagna | ok wait | 19:17 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: yes. enable networking, use a wired internet access, not wireless. then drop to the root shell. | 19:17 |
| sumagna | done | 19:17 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: alright, type "sudo fallocate -l 4.4GB /swapfile" | 19:17 |
| sumagna | done | 19:18 |
| sarnold | why so large? | 19:18 |
| sumagna | now swapon -s | 19:18 |
| EriC^^ | sarnold: he wants hibernation | 19:18 |
| sumagna | ? | 19:18 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: when you're there, ping -c1 1.1.1.1 to confirm you're online, then journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 and report the url | 19:18 |
| sarnold | EriC^^: aha thanks | 19:18 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: no, type sudo mkswap /swapfile | 19:18 |
| sumagna | ok | 19:18 |
| sumagna | done | 19:19 |
| sumagna | it gives me a warning | 19:19 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: what warning | 19:19 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: I added recovery and removed quite and splash. Goes to black | 19:19 |
| sumagna | saying "wiping old swap signature" | 19:19 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: ah no worries | 19:20 |
| sumagna | which it is actually doing | 19:20 |
| sumagna | then done | 19:20 |
| sumagna | now? | 19:20 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: ok, type 'sudo swapon -a' | 19:20 |
| sumagna | wait | 19:20 |
| sumagna | done | 19:20 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: ok try 'swapon -s' | 19:20 |
| sumagna | wait | 19:20 |
| sumagna | https://termbin.com/p29x | 19:21 |
| echoSMILE | what's the name of default ubuntu graphic user interface? unity? | 19:22 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: looks good | 19:22 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: hmm, not an easy one there. maybe look for a firmware update. | 19:22 |
| OerHeks | echoSMILE, no, gnome3 | 19:22 |
| sumagna | done? | 19:22 |
| sumagna | swap making done? | 19:22 |
| sumagna | and how to hibernate? | 19:23 |
| echoSMILE | OerHeks: tks. do you know how to access gnome3 settings panel from xfce (is that possible?) ? | 19:23 |
| OerHeks | echoSMILE, no i don't, you mix up 2 desktop environments | 19:24 |
| sumagna | how to hibernate? | 19:25 |
| EriC^^ | sumagna: maybe this helps, i dont use 18.04 myself so no idea http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/05/add-hibernate-option-ubuntu-18-04/ | 19:26 |
| sumagna | thanks | 19:26 |
| EriC^^ | np | 19:26 |
| bogdanj | Hello! \o | 19:26 |
| OerHeks | EriC^^, i think just install uswsusp ?? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031633/enable-hibernate-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts | 19:27 |
| sumagna | wait going to try to hibernat | 19:27 |
| sumagna | hibernating in 3..2..1 | 19:28 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: no firmware updates. Just checked | 19:30 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: does it have another graphics chipset other than the radeon? | 19:31 |
| bogdanj | Hmm, I have a question regarding Ubuntu Desktop 19.10 and AMD ATI switchable graphics. I have just installed the OS today and after I fooled around a bit in the Settings a bit and then rebooted by way of Alt-F2/reboot the option of "launching an app using the dedicated graphics card" is no longer available. My question is, did anyone else experience this? Is it a known bug? | 19:31 |
| damoreno | no than I aware of | 19:31 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: RS-232 port? | 19:32 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: https://www.zotac.com/hk/product/mini_pcs/ad10-plus | 19:32 |
| damoreno | tomreyn: nope | 19:32 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: 2 GB RAM is below minimum specs, have you added more? | 19:32 |
| damoreno | tomreyn has 4 | 19:33 |
| tomreyn | damoreno: maybe start by installing ubuntu server and then look further from there. | 19:34 |
| tomreyn | or just mini.iso | 19:34 |
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| damoreno | tomreyn: ill do so. Thanks | 19:40 |
| Mechanismus | Why does python3-pip pull in the entire build stack? | 19:45 |
| robinho86 | I'm receiving the follow error on my Ubuntu 19.10 when I try to check the updates in Gnome Software: Failed to get application states: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.Failed: Could not get window list: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: App introspection not allowed | 19:54 |
| robinho86 | any tip? | 19:54 |
| echoSMILE | how to set mouse scroll speed at xfce ? | 19:55 |
| eamonnmr | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2020-03/ is the latest FF latest up in the repo or do I need to take more manual steps? | 19:55 |
| robinho86 | ops... the real error is: gnome-software[3885]: not GsPlugin error FwupdError:0: Rejected send message, 3 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.517" (uid=1000 pid=3885 comm="/usr/bin/gnome-software --gapplication-service " label="unconfined") interface="org.freedesktop.fwupd" member="GetRemotes" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.freedesktop.fwupd" (bus) | 19:55 |
| sarnold | eamonnmr: new firefox is coming | 19:57 |
| sarnold | robinho86: can you please file a bug about that on launchpad? run ubuntu-bug gnome-software | 19:58 |
| sarnold | robinho86: it should walk you through to filing the bug on launchpad, which will require creating a user account | 19:59 |
| robinho86 | sarnold: ok, I will do that now | 20:03 |
| hailhydra | okay I took a look at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf files and I have 3 graphics devices on my laptop | 20:13 |
| hailhydra | amd = laptop screen, radeon = hdmi, nvidia = usb type c | 20:13 |
| hailhydra | I can run amd and radeon and use my laptop display and hdmi. but not my nvidia usb type c | 20:14 |
| hesco | I have been unable to get the atd daemon to work on an ubuntu installation, details here: https://gist.github.com/hesco/465390e5e24b1a7b2ba3964f461ea1ca | 20:33 |
| hesco | I keep seeing: "syntax error. Last token seen: t \n Garbled time" Any ideas why this is not working for me, please? | 20:34 |
| sarnold | hesco: try an explicit path, touch /tmp/atd_works | 20:35 |
| hesco | sarnold: same response. | 20:36 |
| sarnold | oh hah I didn't even read the bloody error message.. | 20:37 |
| kalib | I am using Ubuntu 18.04. I want to completely remove a service. After stoping the service (service blah stop), removing all the directories and files/folders (rm -rf /var/blah/ /etc/blah/ /var/log/blah/, etc..), all I need to do is also delete /etc/init.d/blah ? Or do I also need to run anything such as update-rc.d somehow to update anything about | 20:37 |
| kalib | the services? | 20:37 |
| kalib | I know people use update-rc.d to enable the daemon.. what about when removing the service? | 20:38 |
| sarnold | hesco: try this, echo touch at_works | /usr/bin/at now + 2 minutes | 20:38 |
| sarnold | kalib: why not just apt purge the package? | 20:39 |
| hydrogen | Is there a way of adjusting what battery % the indicator turns red at? | 20:39 |
| hesco | thanks sarnold! that was the magic sauce, apparently! | 20:39 |
| kalib | sarnold the package wasn't installed via apt | 20:40 |
| sarnold | hesco: it's been over two decades since I used at, apparently I'd forgotten more than I thought I had :) haha | 20:40 |
| hailhydra | I ran apt-get install nvidia-driver-418 but I don't see it in my additional drivers dialogue? | 20:40 |
| kalib | sarnold it was installed via a python script.. | 20:40 |
| sarnold | kalib: ah, alright; you'll also want to remove systemd unit files if you've got those | 20:40 |
| kalib | sarnold ok.. where would I find those? | 20:41 |
| kalib | on /etc/system.d/, right?! | 20:41 |
| kalib | ops.. /etc/systemd/ | 20:41 |
| kalib | because I do not see it there..so I guess it's all good | 20:42 |
| sarnold | kalib: does it show in systemctl list-units output? | 20:42 |
| kalib | sarnold 0 loaded units listed. | 20:43 |
| EriC^^ | hydrogen: maybe try gsettings list-recursively | grep -iE "battery|indicator" or so and see what pops up for options | 20:44 |
| kalib | sarnold but I found it with systemctl list-unit-files | 20:44 |
| sarnold | kalib: odd; how about sudo systemctl list-units ? | 20:44 |
| kalib | I see it as: blah generated | 20:44 |
| sarnold | aha cool, then there's no unit file for it, just the sysv-init script that you already know about | 20:45 |
| hydrogen | EriC^^, thanks--not seeing anything terribly appropriate jumping out | 20:45 |
| hydrogen | I was able to turn on displaying the battery % from that actually, which is a little better for sure | 20:46 |
| kalib | sarnold so just remove /etc/init.d/blah? | 20:46 |
| kalib | awesome.. thanks | 20:46 |
| EriC^^ | hydrogen: try "gsettings list-recursively | grep power" it's showing some stuff for me | 20:46 |
| hesco | sarnold: you remembered enough! far better guidance than I had seen in my online searches | 20:47 |
| EriC^^ | this seems kinda interesting org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power percentage-low 10 | 20:48 |
| sarnold | hesco: hehe :) are you bringing back wais or gopher next? :D | 20:48 |
| hydrogen | EriC^^, the only thing there that looks possibly related is that one, yes--but it's turning red in the indicator for me at 50% | 20:48 |
| EriC^^ | hydrogen: ^ i wonder if that prompts the red stuff, and percentage-critical prompts something more drastic like suspend or so | 20:48 |
| hydrogen | I'm set to 10% there though, so I don't think so | 20:49 |
| EriC^^ | hydrogen: odd, i think it turns red for me way lower, maybe it uses something else let me see | 20:49 |
| sumagna | upgrading my distro right now | 20:49 |
| hesco | sarnold: been trying to wrap my head around how to resolve this: https://gist.github.com/hesco/c4c6958d0309080a9d9510468d341c07 | 20:49 |
| EriC^^ | hydrogen: yeah same for me setting it to 98% doesnt make it red right now | 20:52 |
| EriC^^ | hydrogen: time-low also not it | 20:54 |
| sarnold | hesco: man, job control in a bash script... uhhhhh. does that work? | 20:54 |
| hesco | sarnold: I hope so. Hating that for the past week or more I have been having to manually shell out to my jenkins agents to stop and restart my service. Been annoying. | 21:02 |
| sarnold | hesco: i fyou shell in and run /usr/bin/perl -Ilib -Ilocal/lib/perl5 scripts/supporters directly, what happens? does it return to the prompt again? or does that start_app() just hang forever? | 21:05 |
| hesco | sarnold: this returns a prompt and does what I need it to do: | 21:07 |
| hesco | MOJO_MODE=uat perl -Ilib -Ilocal/lib/perl5 scripts/supporters 2> /dev/null & | 21:07 |
| === Jwwoods is now known as ItzJeff | ||
| sarnold | hesco: is the problem that this *script* doesn't terminate in jenkins, or that the service doesn't respond? or the service needs to be killed? does this script simply poke a running daemon somewhere else to do something, or does this script execute the service itself? | 21:09 |
| === ItzJeff is now known as BadMinAbuse | ||
| kur1j | can someone enlighten me on how ubuntu 18.04's mangled DNS now works and how NM, systemd-resolve and other things are interacting to resolve DNS? | 21:17 |
| kur1j | like what is managing 127.0.0.53? | 21:21 |
| lordcirth | kur1j, /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.53, which is systemd-resolved.service | 21:22 |
| lordcirth | "systemd-resolve --status" may be helpful | 21:23 |
| kur1j | so if I run host -t RRSIG <ahost> 127.0.0.53 it says "Host <ahost> not found" BUT if I run host -t RRSIG <ahost> <mydns server ip> it responds | 21:23 |
| kur1j | lordcirth: yeah, it shows the IP address of DNS servers | 21:24 |
| lordcirth | RRSIG is DNSSEC? Not familiar enough with DNSSEC | 21:25 |
| Habbie | 'host -t RRSIG' is not a useful thing to do | 21:25 |
| kur1j | lordcirth: it was just a way of forcing the request to use a particular DNS | 21:25 |
| hesco | sarnold: my jenkins job successfully triggers a service start, it binds to the expected port, the service is running, but because it never returns control to jenkins, jenkins is never able to configure haproxy, so the service is unavailable to the real world. | 21:26 |
| lordcirth | hesco, did you write the .service yourself? Sounds like it's configured as, eg, "forking" when it shouldn't be | 21:27 |
| kur1j | Habbie: i believe it tells me enough that systemd-resolve is broken somehow then | 21:27 |
| sarnold | hesco: any chance you can use something like this? https://metacpan.org/pod/Daemon::Daemonize | 21:27 |
| hesco | consequently I have to shell in, kill the service, wait for it restart, kill it again, allow the build job to complete, then manually start the service. | 21:27 |
| Habbie | kur1j, it doesn't | 21:27 |
| sarnold | hesco: that sounds crazy :) hehe | 21:27 |
| Habbie | kur1j, a lot of name server software does not handle RRSIG queries | 21:27 |
| Habbie | kur1j, because there is no useful answer to give | 21:28 |
| kur1j | Habbie: all I'm trying to do is prove that I have DNS resolution | 21:28 |
| lordcirth | kur1j, and 'host google.com' doesn't work? | 21:28 |
| Habbie | kur1j, then use normal types like A and MX :) | 21:28 |
| Habbie | kur1j, and use 'dig' instead of 'host' so that you get useful debugging | 21:29 |
| hesco | my app is written in Mojolicious. Its already being daemonized. wrapping it in yet another daemon seems like needless complication. But if the atd daemon doesn't get the job done, I will take a look at it. | 21:29 |
| kur1j | lordcirth: I have an internal DNS thats getting pushed via OpenVPN | 21:29 |
| mircx1 | hello i have a problem and i happy to get a some help i run something from my home and i get error after i do make my version ubuntu is 18.04 this a error i get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yRW4s96QNR/ | 21:29 |
| Habbie | note that host says 'Host .. not found: 1(FORMERR)' - FORMERR is the error you got from resolved. It does not mean 'host not found', it means 'i hated your query' | 21:29 |
| Habbie | (at least, the version of host on my machine adds the FORMERR) | 21:30 |
| kur1j | the issue is the pushed DNS doesn't function properly for whatever reason, randomly systemd-resolve won't use my internal DNS server | 21:31 |
| kur1j | so for example my DNS server 172.16.0.26 --> resolves local server domains | 21:32 |
| kur1j | ISP DNS --> resolves general internet | 21:32 |
| mircx1 | someone? | 21:32 |
| kur1j | I connect, to VPN which pushes 172.16.0.26...internal server domains resolve fine...20 minutes later (randomly) it won't resolve any more | 21:33 |
| Habbie | mircx1, you can't get the software you want from apt-get? | 21:33 |
| OerHeks | mircx1, what source does this? there is no support for 2 ssl versions | 21:33 |
| mircx1 | i do it | 21:33 |
| mircx1 | i have version ubuntu 18.04 | 21:33 |
| mircx1 | and this my error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yRW4s96QNR/ | 21:34 |
| OerHeks | interesting, you already said that. | 21:34 |
| OerHeks | mircx1, what source does this? | 21:34 |
| OerHeks | e.g. what are you building? | 21:34 |
| mircx1 | i try run Neonserv bot irc is run ok from ubuntu version 14.04 | 21:34 |
| OerHeks | good luck, 7 year unmaintained http://git.pk910.de/?p=NeonServV5.git | 21:38 |
| kur1j | lordcirth: so even though my DNS server is listed in systemd-resolve --status it won't use it? | 21:40 |
| sarnold | mircx1: did you get any errors when rebuilding your bot? | 21:41 |
| mircx1 | this mean is not run from ubuntu 18? | 21:41 |
| mircx1 | i get error after i do make | 21:41 |
| mircx1 | by the way from ubuntu version 14.04 is run good | 21:41 |
| kur1j | dig + trace google.com | 21:41 |
| hesco | lordcirth: yes, wrote this application myself, using the Mojolicious framework, I'm using the morbo daemon in lower environments, deploying to uat and production using the prefork server. | 21:53 |
| hesco | the scripts/supporters script was auto-generated by the mojo framework's generate tool, although I have extended it somewhat. | 21:55 |
| hailhydra | Anyone having trouble with Asus ROG laptop with AMD Ryzen 7 and Nvidia 1660ti please write an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and install xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-libinput and all dependencies to get all 3 displays working https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2414522 | 22:18 |
| sflinter | Hi. I'm trying to share a ZFS pool over NFS on Ubuntu 19.10 Server. When I mount the share on another Ubuntu system, it mounts fine. However, when I try to mount it on a MacOS laptop, I get error on the client (mac) side of "mount: /Volumes/... failed with 1". | 22:27 |
| sflinter | On the server side I see "rpc.mountd[31935]: authenticated mount request" via journalctl | 22:27 |
| sflinter | I have created a new user on the Ubuntu server side with the same UID and GUI as my user on the Mac, but this has not had any positive impact | 22:28 |
| sflinter | BTW, this is using the mount command on the commandline on the mac | 22:28 |
| Habbie | sflinter, anything in dmesg on the mac? | 22:28 |
| sflinter | I've also tried a regular (non ZFS share), and that has similar problems | 22:28 |
| sflinter | Habbie: just a sec, I'll check... | 22:28 |
| sflinter | Can't see anything of relevance | 22:30 |
| Habbie | sorry, that's the only idea i had | 22:31 |
| sflinter | no worries, thanks anyway | 22:34 |
| OerHeks | maybe you need the -o resvport option? https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/apple-mac-osx-nfs-mount-command-tutorial/ | 22:34 |
| sflinter | Yep - that seems to have done the trick. Can mount the share now. | 22:41 |
| sflinter | Thanks for the pointer | 22:42 |
| jackhum | while trying to install firefox using apt-get, i am getting dpkg error with following : trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/firefox', which is also in package firefox-mozilla-build 56.0.2-0ubuntu1 | 23:21 |
| === tds9 is now known as tds | ||
| OerHeks | firefox is standard in ubuntu, why install it over apt-get? | 23:47 |
| jackhum | OerHeks, by standard do you mean already installed? i use 16.04 | 23:47 |
| OerHeks | yes? | 23:48 |
| jackhum | OerHeks, anyways i solved my problem by uninstalling already existing firefox 56 | 23:48 |
| jackhum | OerHeks, is there any reason why one should not prefer apt over something like snap? | 23:49 |
| OerHeks | some packages are snap only now, like chomium-browser | 23:49 |
| OerHeks | see snaps as the new PPA | 23:50 |
| OerHeks | !ppa | 23:50 |
| ubottu | A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge | 23:50 |
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