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lubot<profetik777> @The_LoudSpeaker [also, about the email list part you mentioned, we already have a user mailing li …], Sorry crazy day.  Glad we had some chatter earlier. I'll explain some tomorrow.01:44
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL162a71b050dd: Add Title and duration columns of VLC playlist] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL162a71b050dd03:43
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaa42aad4cee1: Add Album column] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaa42aad4cee103:45
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaf827344a7ca: Add adjusting column width] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaf827344a7ca07:37
RikMillsLP: #185914609:18
ubot93Launchpad bug 1859146 in linux-meta (Ubuntu Focal) "Ubuntu flavour images of focal fail to build with E: Unable to locate package linux-signed-generic" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185914609:18
lubot<tsimonq2> @RikMills [<RikMills> LP: #1859146], Thanks13:40
lubot<profetik777> @The_LoudSpeaker [also, about the email list part you mentioned, we already have a user mailing li …], So the nature of mailing lists tend to be internally facing whereas email blasts are external facing. Currently, the mailing list for lubuntu is for support and development. To make it more presenter friendly, easier to share14:57
lubot, and easier to consume (compared to mailing list threads).14:57
lubot<profetik777> The biggest reason though is strategic. When it comes to targeted messaging, being able to sub-segment lists (all those with .edu vs .org) informs our communications strategy. If at any point we run a donation drive, or a call for beta testers, we can do a better job at striking the right voice that will get us the best response.15:00
lubot<profetik777> Okay last one - email lists tend to be the "home base" of communications. Whenever we trust other platforms and their algorthyms (cough twitter, cough instagram), we give away some form of control. They determine what gets priority in a users news feed/timeline....whether or not we get to compete with a cat video or your mother in15:05
lubot laws vacation pics...furthermore, should there be an issue with a website (michael tunnel had an issue with his website not too long ago for a couple days), we have direct communication with our lubuntu tribe and let them know what is going on, and effeciently get messaging out.15:05
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Nice! Sounds good.15:29
lubot<N0um3n0> @The_LoudSpeaker [Nice! Sounds good.], +116:27
wxlin case no one noticed we should have images again soon https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/185914617:11
ubot93Launchpad bug 1859146 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Focal) "Ubuntu flavour images of focal fail to build with E: Unable to locate package linux-signed-generic" [Critical, Fix Released]17:11
wxlif someone could prepare a dingo EoL announcement that would be great https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-January/000252.html17:14
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/MjnYGJL.jpg most places I am getting this when I try to remove recepies from https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+recipes18:05
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ^ @tsimonq2 wxl:18:05
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker keep trying or go to #launchpad and complain18:16
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> k.18:17
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> have we looked into alernatives of featherpad? Just to see options?19:20
lubot<teward001> did I miss standup?19:21
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Xi-editor has potential I'd say19:21
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> you did. @teward00119:21
lubot<kc2bez> @teward001 [did I miss standup?], Yesterday19:21
lubot<teward001> bleh happens19:21
lubot<kc2bez> no worries19:21
lubot<teward001> i thought today was friday xD19:21
lubot<kc2bez> today is Friday19:21
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> today IS saturday! XD19:22
lubot<teward001> @wxl2 @tsimonq2 yo i need one of you to sign off on things19:22
lubot<kc2bez> @teward001 and I are in the same time zone though and it is Friday afternoon.19:22
lubot<teward001> Network Infrastructure Headaches Time!19:22
lubot<kc2bez> Same stuff here19:23
lubot<kc2bez> Lots of firmware updates lately.19:23
lubot<teward001> well this stuff affects *.lubuntu.me as a whole ;)19:24
lubot<kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker [have we looked into alernatives of featherpad? Just to see options?], What's wrong with featherpad?19:24
lubot<teward001> at least the stuff I need them tosign off on19:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> nothing. Just wondering if we looked into alternatives. like sometime there was talk of including falkon19:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> and personally I didn't like featherpad. wierd shortcuts. while Tau which is based on Xi is good. installing xi-qt now. will take a look.19:26
lubot<kc2bez> vim is nice19:26
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I can't quit it.19:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> XD19:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://github.com/zhiyaluo/xi-qt this has some wierd build instructions.19:28
lubot<teward001> `:q!` and then `[ENTER]` will do it Raman xD19:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [https://github.com/zhiyaluo/xi-qt this has some wierd build instructions.], maybe I will ask the maintainer for release with .deb or snap.19:29
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @teward001 [:q! and then [ENTER] will do it Raman xD], I keep foergetting that if I don't use vim frequently.19:29
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Ctrl+X is better19:29
lubot<kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker [I can't quit it.], Just leave it open.19:29
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> XD19:29
lubot<teward001> @The_LoudSpeaker [Ctrl+X is better], if and only if you use `nano` lol19:30
lubot<teward001> :P19:30
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker falkon was talked about because no gtk19:30
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I use only nano mostly. only on long projects or for notes I use subl19:31
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: xi-qt is also no gtk.19:31
wxlalso why is it that rust adopted a 5-bolt chainring for their logo? can someone explain that to me?19:31
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker that logic doesn't apply to the editor. our editor already has no gtk.19:31
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> yeah i know. as I said I was just looking for alternatives out of curiosity19:32
wxlxi-qt: 28 commits. wow.19:32
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> and also because I read about xi on a blog. said xi is much better than rest19:33
wxlno license either. cool.19:33
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> here: https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/19:33
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> xi-qt is based on xi-editor core. that has license19:34
wxlfor the core19:34
wxlnot for qt19:34
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> yeah.19:34
wxlthe backend has a license that does not cover the front end19:34
wxltl;dr DOA19:35
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> doa?19:35
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> does not apply?19:35
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ogh not19:35
wxlalso it looks rather barebones which is nice in some senses, but not in others19:35
wxli actually really like kate. like A LOT19:35
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> agreed. it is nice.19:36
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I used that only back in the time when I haled on kde neon19:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> seems like ages ago now tho.19:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> 1.5 years19:37
wxlbtw, mr. distrohopper, i just discovered anarchy linux. you might want to give that a look. it's basically arch with an actual reasonable installer19:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I had checked the website sometime back.19:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> but don't want to shift to arch base currently.  debian is doing just fine19:39
wxlthat was also in response to a recent message you left on the discourse19:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> also, haven't really distrohopped in a long time. Just a couple of live runs here and there or at max vm installs19:40
wxl@teward001 do we really need simon or can the council just vote?19:40
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> btw do read that article. quite enlightening.19:41
lubot<teward001> @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 do we really need simon or can the council just vote?], i just need someone on the council to say "Yes this is OK"19:42
lubot<teward001> going to ask Canonical SA to publish a slew of DNS records19:42
wxlprobably ok19:42
lubot<teward001> MX records for {phab,manual,discourse}.lubuntu.me, and TXT SPF record for lubuntu.me for Seviper and smtp.lubuntu.me to be noted as permitted senders19:43
lubot<teward001> stuff that's already been council approved for almost a year that us being busy or me being lazy or otherwise busy took time away from19:43
lubot<teward001> just need someone to voice in on the email when I send it to RT19:44
wxlok19:44
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D69 … Should I remove those translation files? wxl: kc2bez: @RikMills ?20:40
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Bump version number for new release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D6920:40
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I think I should. they were not there in earlier versions.20:41
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> will remove only if anyone confirms.20:44
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker basically you don't want to add anything that doesn't belong in the packaging.20:49
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> sare.20:50
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> two mins20:50
wxlhttps://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html20:50
wxlanyone with a focal vm and a 0.4.18-1 version of qpdfview around that can test something out?20:58
lubot<teward001> i have a focal VM not sure if it has 0.4.18 on it yet20:58
lubot<teward001> but i can try and spin it and test if my internet lets me today 😔20:58
wxlthat's current fwiw20:58
lubot<teward001> :P  *20:58
lubot<teward001> yeah my VM is out of date20:58
lubot<teward001> let me nuke it20:58
wxlsee https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/unable-to-view-pdf-attachments/679/5 .. there's a drive link at the bottom with an example pdf.. see if it shows the attachments like in the screenshot from ubuntu20:59
kc2bezI tested that with okular ^ and they did show. I will be home in about 30 minutes or so and I can test on a focal vm.21:00
tewardWow corp internet is downloading at 9MBps that’s... fast.21:00
tewardMy ISO got fubared so21:00
teward*redoes the VM with a fresh Daily*21:00
tewardWonder if zsyncing the ISO helps at all xD21:01
wxlokular calls them "embedded files"21:03
wxlon my bionic version, they don't show automatically but show a notification to click on if you want to see them21:03
lubot<kc2bez> Yes, it does. I got the notification in Eoan too.21:04
wxlmaybe we should switch to okular21:05
wxlqpdfview isn't dead but it's not lively https://code.launchpad.net/~adamreichold/qpdfview/trunk21:05
wxlannotation support and form support is "rudimentary" and i personally tend to use both rather extensively when using pdfs21:06
lubot<teward001> *installs Daily ISO onto VM*21:08
wxllooks like the discussion on the subject was very limited (the task referenced is now missing and hans' archive doesn't include it) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+spec/1710-qt-pdf21:10
wxl!upkg okular21:11
ubot93Factoid 'upkg okular' not found21:11
wxloh heck21:11
lubot<teward001> um21:11
wxl!info okular21:11
ubot93okular (4:19.12.1-0ubuntu1, focal): universal document viewer. In component universe, is extra. Built by okular. Size 5,232 kB / 14,814 kB21:11
lubot<teward001> we know the Dailies are showing the 19.10 wallpaper yes?21:12
wxl!info qpdfview21:12
ubot93qpdfview (0.4.18-1, focal): tabbed document viewer. In component universe, is optional. Built by qpdfview. Size 369 kB / 1,470 kB21:12
wxlthat's a 10x difference though, jeez21:12
wxlpersonally i don't think disk space is a reason to be concerned, but i'd want to see if memory usage is much different21:12
wxl@teward001 it IS a development release21:12
lubot<kc2bez> @teward001 [we know the Dailies are showing the 19.10 wallpaper yes?], Yes.21:12
lubot<teward001> @kc2bez [Yes.], Just making sure ;)21:13
lubot<kc2bez> We are waiting for the outcome of the wallpaper contest.21:13
lubot<teward001> cool21:14
lubot<teward001> INSTALL THE KERNEL DARN YOU IT DOES NOT TAKE THAT LONG21:14
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I updated that diff. someone check and tell. I will upload asap.21:14
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D6921:14
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Bump version number for new release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D6921:14
lubot<teward001> wxl: confirmed the issue21:16
lubot<teward001> E:NoAttachmentsOption21:16
lubot<teward001> wxl: so unless the project remains active upstream and it's just a case of the maintainer going AWOL in Debian21:19
lubot<teward001> we need to use something else21:19
lubot<teward001> possibly21:19
lubot<teward001> because of the fact it doesn't handle attachments like other PDF viewers does21:19
lubot<teward001> wxl: should I open a Phab ticket on this?21:25
lubot<teward001> becuase that's... kind of an important thing21:25
lubot<teward001> wxl: Okular doesn't have the ability to view attachments on the thing either21:27
lubot<teward001> actually i lied it does - File > Embedded Files21:27
lubot<teward001> ... but that's Okular, not qpdfview21:31
wxl@teward001 it might be worth considering. feel free to make a task. if you want to add in memory usage comparisons that might be helpful. it's clear qpdfview is being developed but it's a one man show (on launchpad ew) whereas okular is a lot more developed and has a bigger team21:49
wxl@teward001 certainly a bug needs to be filed against qpdfview that it can't handle embedded files. you want to do that, too21:50
wxl?21:50
lubot<kc2bez> fwiw libreoffice draw should open PDF files too and it also seems to have the same issue.21:53
wxlyeah well i wouldn't trust it for that21:56
wxli mean you can open pdfs in gimp 21:56
lubot<kc2bez> I agree. I have found that you can do light edits to some PDFs with draw though.21:58
wxlerr wait, inkscape. i've used that before.21:58
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez is it compulsary to match the version number? yesterday wxl: said it would be okay to use 0.14.3-123:34
lubot<tsimonq2> @The_LoudSpeaker [@kc2bez is it compulsary to match the version number? yesterday wxl: said it wou …], Not sure what you mean23:34
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D6923:34
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Bump version number for new release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D6923:34
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ^23:35
lubot<tsimonq2> Dan is correct23:35
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> k.23:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> updated23:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> someone accept. I will land and then go to sleep.23:39
tewardwxl by mem usage you mean RAM or disk?23:44
tewardBecause i don’t have hose metrics23:44
tewardBut i can open a Wishlist against the package currently saying the feature is needed23:44

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