 @The_LoudSpeaker [also, about the email list part you mentioned, we already have a user mailing li …], Sorry crazy day.  Glad we had some chatter earlier. I'll explain some tomorrow.
[03:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL162a71b050dd: Add Title and duration columns of VLC playlist] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL162a71b050dd
[03:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaa42aad4cee1: Add Album column] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaa42aad4cee1
[07:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaf827344a7ca: Add adjusting column width] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaf827344a7ca
[09:18] <RikMills> LP: #1859146
 @RikMills [<RikMills> LP: #1859146], Thanks
 @The_LoudSpeaker [also, about the email list part you mentioned, we already have a user mailing li …], So the nature of mailing lists tend to be internally facing whereas email blasts are external facing. Currently, the mailing list for lubuntu is for support and development. To make it more presenter friendly, easier to share
 The biggest reason though is strategic. When it comes to targeted messaging, being able to sub-segment lists (all those with .edu vs .org) informs our communications strategy. If at any point we run a donation drive, or a call for beta testers, we can do a better job at striking the right voice that will get us the best response.
 Okay last one - email lists tend to be the "home base" of communications. Whenever we trust other platforms and their algorthyms (cough twitter, cough instagram), we give away some form of control. They determine what gets priority in a users news feed/timeline....whether or not we get to compete with a cat video or your mother in
 Nice! Sounds good.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Nice! Sounds good.], +1
[17:11] <wxl> in case no one noticed we should have images again soon https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1859146
[17:14] <wxl> if someone could prepare a dingo EoL announcement that would be great https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-January/000252.html
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/MjnYGJL.jpg most places I am getting this when I try to remove recepies from https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+recipes
 ^ @tsimonq2 wxl:
[18:16] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker keep trying or go to #launchpad and complain
 k.
 have we looked into alernatives of featherpad? Just to see options?
 did I miss standup?
 Xi-editor has potential I'd say
 you did. @teward001
 @teward001 [did I miss standup?], Yesterday
 bleh happens
 no worries
 i thought today was friday xD
 today is Friday
 today IS saturday! XD
 @wxl2 @tsimonq2 yo i need one of you to sign off on things
 @teward001 and I are in the same time zone though and it is Friday afternoon.
 Network Infrastructure Headaches Time!
 Same stuff here
 Lots of firmware updates lately.
 well this stuff affects *.lubuntu.me as a whole ;)
 @The_LoudSpeaker [have we looked into alernatives of featherpad? Just to see options?], What's wrong with featherpad?
 at least the stuff I need them tosign off on
 nothing. Just wondering if we looked into alternatives. like sometime there was talk of including falkon
 and personally I didn't like featherpad. wierd shortcuts. while Tau which is based on Xi is good. installing xi-qt now. will take a look.
 vim is nice
 I can't quit it.
 XD
 https://github.com/zhiyaluo/xi-qt this has some wierd build instructions.
 `:q!` and then `[ENTER]` will do it Raman xD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [https://github.com/zhiyaluo/xi-qt this has some wierd build instructions.], maybe I will ask the maintainer for release with .deb or snap.
 @teward001 [:q! and then [ENTER] will do it Raman xD], I keep foergetting that if I don't use vim frequently.
 Ctrl+X is better
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I can't quit it.], Just leave it open.
 XD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Ctrl+X is better], if and only if you use `nano` lol
 :P
[19:30] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker falkon was talked about because no gtk
 I use only nano mostly. only on long projects or for notes I use subl
 wxl: xi-qt is also no gtk.
[19:31] <wxl> also why is it that rust adopted a 5-bolt chainring for their logo? can someone explain that to me?
[19:31] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker that logic doesn't apply to the editor. our editor already has no gtk.
 yeah i know. as I said I was just looking for alternatives out of curiosity
[19:32] <wxl> xi-qt: 28 commits. wow.
 and also because I read about xi on a blog. said xi is much better than rest
[19:33] <wxl> no license either. cool.
 here: https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/
 xi-qt is based on xi-editor core. that has license
[19:34] <wxl> for the core
[19:34] <wxl> not for qt
 yeah.
[19:34] <wxl> the backend has a license that does not cover the front end
[19:35] <wxl> tl;dr DOA
 doa?
 does not apply?
 ogh not
[19:35] <wxl> also it looks rather barebones which is nice in some senses, but not in others
[19:35] <wxl> i actually really like kate. like A LOT
 agreed. it is nice.
 I used that only back in the time when I haled on kde neon
 seems like ages ago now tho.
 1.5 years
[19:38] <wxl> btw, mr. distrohopper, i just discovered anarchy linux. you might want to give that a look. it's basically arch with an actual reasonable installer
 I had checked the website sometime back.
 but don't want to shift to arch base currently.  debian is doing just fine
[19:39] <wxl> that was also in response to a recent message you left on the discourse
 also, haven't really distrohopped in a long time. Just a couple of live runs here and there or at max vm installs
[19:40] <wxl> @teward001 do we really need simon or can the council just vote?
 btw do read that article. quite enlightening.
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 do we really need simon or can the council just vote?], i just need someone on the council to say "Yes this is OK"
 going to ask Canonical SA to publish a slew of DNS records
[19:42] <wxl> probably ok
 MX records for {phab,manual,discourse}.lubuntu.me, and TXT SPF record for lubuntu.me for Seviper and smtp.lubuntu.me to be noted as permitted senders
 stuff that's already been council approved for almost a year that us being busy or me being lazy or otherwise busy took time away from
 just need someone to voice in on the email when I send it to RT
[19:44] <wxl> ok
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D69 … Should I remove those translation files? wxl: kc2bez: @RikMills ?
[20:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Bump version number for new release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D69
 I think I should. they were not there in earlier versions.
 will remove only if anyone confirms.
[20:49] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker basically you don't want to add anything that doesn't belong in the packaging.
 sare.
 two mins
[20:50] <wxl> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html
[20:58] <wxl> anyone with a focal vm and a 0.4.18-1 version of qpdfview around that can test something out?
 i have a focal VM not sure if it has 0.4.18 on it yet
 but i can try and spin it and test if my internet lets me today 😔
[20:58] <wxl> that's current fwiw
 :P  *
 yeah my VM is out of date
 let me nuke it
[20:59] <wxl> see https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/unable-to-view-pdf-attachments/679/5 .. there's a drive link at the bottom with an example pdf.. see if it shows the attachments like in the screenshot from ubuntu
[21:00] <kc2bez> I tested that with okular ^ and they did show. I will be home in about 30 minutes or so and I can test on a focal vm.
[21:00] <teward> Wow corp internet is downloading at 9MBps that’s... fast.
[21:00] <teward> My ISO got fubared so
[21:00] <teward> *redoes the VM with a fresh Daily*
[21:01] <teward> Wonder if zsyncing the ISO helps at all xD
[21:03] <wxl> okular calls them "embedded files"
[21:03] <wxl> on my bionic version, they don't show automatically but show a notification to click on if you want to see them
 Yes, it does. I got the notification in Eoan too.
[21:05] <wxl> maybe we should switch to okular
[21:05] <wxl> qpdfview isn't dead but it's not lively https://code.launchpad.net/~adamreichold/qpdfview/trunk
[21:06] <wxl> annotation support and form support is "rudimentary" and i personally tend to use both rather extensively when using pdfs
 *installs Daily ISO onto VM*
[21:10] <wxl> looks like the discussion on the subject was very limited (the task referenced is now missing and hans' archive doesn't include it) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+spec/1710-qt-pdf
[21:11] <wxl> !upkg okular
[21:11] <wxl> oh heck
 um
[21:11] <wxl> !info okular
 we know the Dailies are showing the 19.10 wallpaper yes?
[21:12] <wxl> !info qpdfview
[21:12] <wxl> that's a 10x difference though, jeez
[21:12] <wxl> personally i don't think disk space is a reason to be concerned, but i'd want to see if memory usage is much different
[21:12] <wxl> @teward001 it IS a development release
 @teward001 [we know the Dailies are showing the 19.10 wallpaper yes?], Yes.
 @kc2bez [Yes.], Just making sure ;)
 We are waiting for the outcome of the wallpaper contest.
 cool
 INSTALL THE KERNEL DARN YOU IT DOES NOT TAKE THAT LONG
 I updated that diff. someone check and tell. I will upload asap.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D69
[21:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Bump version number for new release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D69
 wxl: confirmed the issue
 E:NoAttachmentsOption
 wxl: so unless the project remains active upstream and it's just a case of the maintainer going AWOL in Debian
 we need to use something else
 possibly
 because of the fact it doesn't handle attachments like other PDF viewers does
 wxl: should I open a Phab ticket on this?
 becuase that's... kind of an important thing
 wxl: Okular doesn't have the ability to view attachments on the thing either
 actually i lied it does - File > Embedded Files
 ... but that's Okular, not qpdfview
[21:49] <wxl> @teward001 it might be worth considering. feel free to make a task. if you want to add in memory usage comparisons that might be helpful. it's clear qpdfview is being developed but it's a one man show (on launchpad ew) whereas okular is a lot more developed and has a bigger team
[21:50] <wxl> @teward001 certainly a bug needs to be filed against qpdfview that it can't handle embedded files. you want to do that, too
[21:50] <wxl> ?
 fwiw libreoffice draw should open PDF files too and it also seems to have the same issue.
[21:56] <wxl> yeah well i wouldn't trust it for that
[21:56] <wxl> i mean you can open pdfs in gimp 
 I agree. I have found that you can do light edits to some PDFs with draw though.
[21:58] <wxl> err wait, inkscape. i've used that before.
 @kc2bez is it compulsary to match the version number? yesterday wxl: said it would be okay to use 0.14.3-1
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@kc2bez is it compulsary to match the version number? yesterday wxl: said it wou …], Not sure what you mean
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D69
[23:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Bump version number for new release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D69
 ^
 Dan is correct
 k.
 updated
 someone accept. I will land and then go to sleep.
[23:44] <teward> wxl by mem usage you mean RAM or disk?
[23:44] <teward> Because i don’t have hose metrics
[23:44] <teward> But i can open a Wishlist against the package currently saying the feature is needed