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| ochosi | !team | reminder - team meeting in 5! | 22:55 |
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| ubottu | reminder - team meeting in 5!: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 22:55 |
| JackFrost | Wait what? | 22:56 |
| kryten | Same here.. :3 | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | Firing up my laptop now | 22:59 |
| JackFrost | pleia2: Hello! We've got an 'unsubscribe' message pending in queue, can you just go ahead and ubsub the email address? | 22:59 |
| JackFrost | If you use listadmin, listadmin --remove-member #EMAIL xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com should do. | 23:00 |
| ochosi | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 23:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Jan 10 23:01:28 2020 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 23:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 23:01 |
| ochosi | #chair JackFrost | 23:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: JackFrost ochosi | 23:01 |
| ochosi | #chair bluesabre | 23:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre ochosi | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | o/ | 23:01 |
| ochosi | hi and welcome everyone! | 23:02 |
| ochosi | #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 23:02 |
| ochosi | #topic Open action items | 23:02 |
| ochosi | we carried over nothing from the last meeting | 23:02 |
| ochosi | and since nobody added any AIs since then i guess we have none..? | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | I think a lot of folks didn't know about the meeting | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | I saw a mention of it, and it was on the calendar :D | 23:03 |
| ochosi | tonight? | 23:03 |
| ochosi | i sent out the usual mail and put it on the calendar | 23:03 |
| ochosi | and on the wiki page | 23:03 |
| JackFrost | Yep, I didn't. So I guess now might be a good time to ask what 4.15 has in store for us, or specifically, what we're going to do with it. | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | I feel like I didn't see the mail | 23:04 |
| ochosi | hmm | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | Anyhoo, we're here now :D | 23:04 |
| JackFrost | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-January/thread.html ? | 23:04 |
| ochosi | wtf | 23:04 |
| ochosi | https://imgur.com/0b5Vigf.png | 23:05 |
| ochosi | i didn't receive a rejection mail or anything | 23:05 |
| ochosi | and i didn't check the archive, because... why would i? | 23:05 |
| ochosi | :/ | 23:05 |
| bluesabre | lol | 23:06 |
| ochosi | soooorry (i guess) | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | Not you, or us, so all good | 23:06 |
| ochosi | but i'm happy i managed to schedule a time/day that works :D | 23:06 |
| ochosi | so yeah, let's skip ahead and talk about 4.16 | 23:06 |
| ochosi | or 4.15 | 23:06 |
| ochosi | #topic Updates and announcements | 23:06 |
| JackFrost | (I also didn't discard your mail from the list!) | 23:07 |
| ochosi | #info Xfce 4.15 is progressing well and there are a few more releases around the corner | 23:07 |
| ochosi | since 4.16 will switch to client side decorations for XfceTitledDialog that begs the question whether we go s/mate/gnome in our application set (evince,..) | 23:08 |
| ochosi | also, gtk-dialog-use-header will be enabled by default upstream | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | #info The new dark theme, Greybird-dark was just released | 23:08 |
| ochosi | which means all GtkDialog based windows should use CSD | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | Working on getting that packaged :) | 23:08 |
| ochosi | cool | 23:09 |
| ochosi | so regarding what we're going to do with 4.15, i'd slap it into a PPA for testing | 23:09 |
| ochosi | and then think about it again once 20.04 is released | 23:09 |
| ochosi | if you want a sneak preview (ahead of my upcoming blog post about this), here's the xfce settings manager in the new layout: https://imgur.com/sj98Abn.png | 23:10 |
| ochosi | so visually it's not a big departure | 23:11 |
| ochosi | or a standalone config dialog: https://imgur.com/5nRhS6H.png | 23:11 |
| ochosi | JackFrost: does that answer your question? | 23:12 |
| JackFrost | Well not really, I'd guess the specific question is ppa:xubuntu-dev/experimental ? | 23:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, i guess so | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | Sure, I think that's fine | 23:13 |
| JackFrost | OK, I'll only be picking them up as they hit Debian experimental this time. | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | Makes sense :) | 23:14 |
| ochosi | does debian experimental pick up devel releases? | 23:14 |
| ochosi | (sry, i'm rather ignorant there) | 23:14 |
| JackFrost | Depends on if corsac feels like it, but usually yeah. | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | Other news from the theming perspective, the Yaru folks might have a surprise for us soon (nothing more to say about that for now) | 23:15 |
| ochosi | enigmatic | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | Saw a 4.15 thing get uploaded to debian the other day | 23:16 |
| ochosi | is it good, bad or ugly? (the surprise) | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | Good | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:16 |
| * ochosi keeps his fingers crossed | 23:16 | |
| JackFrost | ...What I'd think of as 'good' or what everyone else does? :P | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | Well | 23:16 |
| ochosi | :'D | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | That remains to be seen | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 23:16 |
| ochosi | okok, i'll stop biting my nails and we can move on | 23:17 |
| ochosi | unless you want to know more regarding 4.15 | 23:17 |
| JackFrost | Nope. | 23:17 |
| ochosi | k | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | Got anything planned for 4.14.x? | 23:17 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:17 |
| ochosi | that's what i would move on to | 23:18 |
| ochosi | #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning | 23:18 |
| JackFrost | gtk-dialog-use-header doesn't really look like a user setting, but glade or whatnot, right? | 23:18 |
| ochosi | it's a user setting | 23:18 |
| ochosi | you can try with xfconf-query if you want | 23:18 |
| ochosi | (i can paste the command) | 23:19 |
| JackFrost | AH, fantastic. Thanks. I'll :x now. | 23:19 |
| ochosi | it'll be part of my blog post ;) | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:19 |
| ochosi | the only agenda item i added could go here or into discussion | 23:20 |
| ochosi | it's about checking up on 4.14.x releases | 23:20 |
| ochosi | so i would suggest we spend a few minutes to go around the most important components and see if we want a point release :) | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:21 |
| ochosi | and then info it | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | I think xfce4-settings has a few fixes waiting in it | 23:21 |
| ochosi | #info xfce4-panel 4.14.2 shall be released shortly | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | And xfce4-taskmanager drops the stuck floating legend, fixing one of our lp bugs | 23:22 |
| ochosi | #info xfce4-settings 4.14.2 shall be released shortly | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | xfce4-weather-plugin has some bugs I'm aware of that I need to fix and release | 23:23 |
| ochosi | #info xfdesktop 4.14.2 shall be released shortly | 23:23 |
| ochosi | (some of those means we need to bug others, other releases can be done by me or sean) | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | xfce4-screensaver has a few newly reported bugs with patches | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 23:23 |
| ochosi | #info xfce4-session 4.14.1 shall be released shortly | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | nice | 23:24 |
| ochosi | so there are quite a few | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | JackFrost: aware of any critical releases? | 23:25 |
| ochosi | even though the powermanager has only commit, it's a nice one | 23:25 |
| JackFrost | Nope. | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | Got another catfish release I'll hopefully land this weekend | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | We might also need to revisit our docs a bit this cycle | 23:26 |
| bluesabre | Oh | 23:27 |
| ochosi | i thnk that's about it from the core components | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | And the wallpaper contest | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | Sorry, brain dumping :) | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, can't think of others that have anything major pending | 23:28 |
| ochosi | docs and wallpaper contest are both fine, but i have to admit i probably won't have time for either | 23:28 |
| ochosi | i mean helping with the selection, yes, that's just one session | 23:28 |
| ochosi | but setting it all up and communicating it, probably not | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | Once I have a handle of the requirements, I'll put a schedule together | 23:28 |
| ochosi | k | 23:29 |
| ochosi | anything else you would like to discuss in planning? | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | xubuntu-wise, I think that's all I have | 23:30 |
| ochosi | k, same here | 23:31 |
| ochosi | #topic Discussion | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | hi | 23:32 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:32 |
| ochosi | :) | 23:32 |
| bluesabre | So, we should probably look at the release schedule | 23:32 |
| ochosi | we had one point we may carry over from last time, which is announcing that we need people to work on our website (since knome isn't around a lot) | 23:33 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: wanna take an action item? | 23:33 |
| ochosi | :> | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | Sure | 23:33 |
| ochosi | and yeah, then let's look at the schedule | 23:33 |
| ochosi | #action bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress) | 23:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress) | 23:34 |
| bluesabre | Release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule | 23:34 |
| bluesabre | Feature freeze at the end of February | 23:35 |
| ochosi | 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze | 23:35 |
| bluesabre | We're not doing too bad for time :) | 23:35 |
| ochosi | seems like the next relevant date | 23:35 |
| ochosi | since we're not really planning any new features so far, i guess UI freeze may be more relevant even | 23:35 |
| ochosi | 3/19 - User Interface Freeze | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | Xfce 4.14 has been pleasantly stable, so there's not a lot of things to worry about adding or fixing | 23:36 |
| ochosi | indeed | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | Unless there's tons of broken stuff and nobody's reporting bugs | 23:36 |
| ochosi | :D | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | Definitely possible. | 23:36 |
| ochosi | some people are reporting bugs, and i actually fix some of them every once in a while | 23:36 |
| ochosi | the good thing is most of them also affect 4.15 so i have extra motivation to fix them anyway | 23:37 |
| bluesabre | good dev ochosi | 23:37 |
| ochosi | we're in a much better place than with 4.12 | 23:37 |
| ochosi | the porting made bug fixing for older releases totally unpleasant | 23:37 |
| ochosi | and also felt more like a waste of time | 23:37 |
| bluesabre | What's the package that we use for the color profiles? Has it been updated for focal? | 23:38 |
| ochosi | ah | 23:38 |
| ochosi | i think so | 23:38 |
| ochosi | i think i even asked JackFrost to put it in a PPA for me and i tested it | 23:38 |
| ochosi | the main issue with it is gone (100%cpu and multiple daemons spawned) | 23:38 |
| JackFrost | But did you close the resulting bug? ;) | 23:38 |
| ochosi | i thought you did :p | 23:39 |
| ochosi | i can take a look... | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | #chair kryten | 23:39 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi | 23:39 |
| kryten | <3 | 23:39 |
| franksmcb | I'm sorry to interrupt the flow. I've done a bunch of ISO testing without any issues presenting themselves. | 23:39 |
| pleia2 | thanks franksmcb :) | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | hey franksmcb! | 23:39 |
| JackFrost | LP 1845800 | 23:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1845800 in xiccd (Ubuntu) "xiccd consumes 100% CPU" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845800 | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | Thanks for the testing :) | 23:39 |
| franksmcb | Howdy bluesabre | 23:40 |
| franksmcb | No worries, if there is something specific you want tested for please reach out | 23:40 |
| ochosi | #chair pleia | 23:40 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: pleia | 23:40 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia | 23:40 |
| ochosi | #chair pleia2 | 23:41 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia pleia2 | 23:41 |
| ochosi | JackFrost: closed it now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xiccd/+bug/1845800 | 23:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1845800 in xiccd (Ubuntu) "xiccd consumes 100% CPU" [Undecided,Fix released] | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | franksmcb: definitely, will do | 23:41 |
| ochosi | we can link that to our roadmap actually | 23:41 |
| ochosi | didn't we once vote on installing a color emoji font? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1766976 | 23:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1766976 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Please consider installing fonts-noto-color-emoji by default" [Low,Confirmed] | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, didn't get enough votes for a decision iirc | 23:43 |
| ochosi | oh wow, only 2 people voted..? | 23:44 |
| ochosi | no, 5 | 23:45 |
| ochosi | isnt 5 enough? | 23:45 |
| bluesabre | Not sure, internet connection really bad right now | 23:47 |
| bluesabre | Might have been 10 members at that time | 23:47 |
| JackFrost | With regards to post-20.04, we'll have to look for project leads again. :P | 23:47 |
| ochosi | do we need a new council? | 23:48 |
| JackFrost | We will post-20.04 | 23:48 |
| ochosi | right | 23:48 |
| ochosi | good to know | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | Maybe we'll have some new faces apply :) | 23:50 |
| ochosi | that'd be nice | 23:51 |
| JackFrost | Seems like nothing else? | 23:52 |
| ochosi | yup | 23:53 |
| ochosi | i'm done | 23:53 |
| ochosi | i'd move on to doing those xfce releases i mentioned earlier... | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | I have nothing else | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | kryten, pleia2? | 23:54 |
| ochosi | franksmcb? | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | nothing from me | 23:54 |
| kryten | Noope! | 23:54 |
| ochosi | #action JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting | 23:55 |
| meetingology | ACTION: JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting | 23:55 |
| bluesabre | Easy to escape with a nick change ;) | 23:55 |
| ochosi | #endmeeting | 23:56 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Jan 10 23:56:20 2020 UTC. | 23:56 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-01-10-23.01.moin.txt | 23:56 |
| ochosi | indeed | 23:56 |
| bluesabre | thanks ochosi | 23:56 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 23:56 |
| ochosi | yw and sorry again for messing up the announcement... | 23:56 |
| pleia2 | sorry for being late, I'm in Australia this week and time is confusing | 23:57 |
| JackFrost | Haha. :D | 23:58 |
| pleia2 | :) | 23:58 |
| ochosi | ok, minutes are up | 23:58 |
| ochosi | pleia2: i hope you're ok with all the fires and stuff.. | 23:58 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I just got in yesterday and I'm up in Brisbane, no fires here | 23:58 |
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