[22:55] <ochosi> !team | reminder - team meeting in 5!
[22:56] <JackFrost> Wait what?
[22:56] <kryten> Same here.. :3
[22:59] <bluesabre> Firing up my laptop now
[22:59] <JackFrost> pleia2: Hello!  We've got an 'unsubscribe' message pending in queue, can you just go ahead and ubsub the email address?
[23:00] <JackFrost> If you use listadmin, listadmin --remove-member #EMAIL xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com  should do.
[23:01] <ochosi> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[23:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jan 10 23:01:28 2020 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[23:01] <ochosi> #chair JackFrost 
[23:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost ochosi
[23:01] <ochosi> #chair bluesabre 
[23:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre ochosi
[23:01] <bluesabre> o/
[23:02] <ochosi> hi and welcome everyone!
[23:02] <ochosi> #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[23:02] <ochosi> #topic Open action items
[23:02] <ochosi> we carried over nothing from the last meeting
[23:03] <ochosi> and since nobody added any AIs since then i guess we have none..?
[23:03] <bluesabre> I think a lot of folks didn't know about the meeting
[23:03] <bluesabre> I saw a mention of it, and it was on the calendar :D
[23:03] <ochosi> tonight?
[23:03] <ochosi> i sent out the usual mail and put it on the calendar
[23:03] <ochosi> and on the wiki page
[23:04] <JackFrost> Yep, I didn't.  So I guess now might be a good time to ask what 4.15 has in store for us, or specifically, what we're going to do with it.
[23:04] <bluesabre> I feel like I didn't see the mail
[23:04] <ochosi> hmm
[23:04] <bluesabre> Anyhoo, we're here now :D
[23:04] <JackFrost> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-January/thread.html ?
[23:04] <ochosi> wtf
[23:05] <ochosi> https://imgur.com/0b5Vigf.png
[23:05] <ochosi> i didn't receive a rejection mail or anything
[23:05] <ochosi> and i didn't check the archive, because... why would i?
[23:05] <ochosi> :/
[23:06] <bluesabre> lol
[23:06] <ochosi> soooorry (i guess)
[23:06] <bluesabre> Not you, or us, so all good
[23:06] <ochosi> but i'm happy i managed to schedule a time/day that works :D
[23:06] <ochosi> so yeah, let's skip ahead and talk about 4.16
[23:06] <ochosi> or 4.15
[23:06] <ochosi> #topic Updates and announcements
[23:07] <JackFrost> (I also didn't discard your mail from the list!)
[23:07] <ochosi> #info Xfce 4.15 is progressing well and there are a few more releases around the corner
[23:08] <ochosi> since 4.16 will switch to client side decorations for XfceTitledDialog that begs the question whether we go s/mate/gnome in our application set (evince,..)
[23:08] <ochosi> also, gtk-dialog-use-header will be enabled by default upstream
[23:08] <bluesabre> #info The new dark theme, Greybird-dark was just released
[23:08] <ochosi> which means all GtkDialog based windows should use CSD
[23:08] <bluesabre> Working on getting that packaged :)
[23:09] <ochosi> cool
[23:09] <ochosi> so regarding what we're going to do with 4.15, i'd slap it into a PPA for testing
[23:09] <ochosi> and then think about it again once 20.04 is released
[23:10] <ochosi> if you want a sneak preview (ahead of my upcoming blog post about this), here's the xfce settings manager in the new layout: https://imgur.com/sj98Abn.png
[23:11] <ochosi> so visually it's not a big departure
[23:11] <ochosi> or a standalone config dialog: https://imgur.com/5nRhS6H.png
[23:12] <ochosi> JackFrost: does that answer your question?
[23:13] <JackFrost> Well not really, I'd guess the specific question is ppa:xubuntu-dev/experimental ?
[23:13] <ochosi> yeah, i guess so
[23:13] <bluesabre> Sure, I think that's fine
[23:13] <JackFrost> OK, I'll only be picking them up as they hit Debian experimental this time.
[23:14] <bluesabre> Makes sense :)
[23:14] <ochosi> does debian experimental pick up devel releases?
[23:14] <ochosi> (sry, i'm rather ignorant there)
[23:15] <JackFrost> Depends on if corsac feels like it, but usually yeah.
[23:15] <bluesabre> Other news from the theming perspective, the Yaru folks might have a surprise for us soon (nothing more to say about that for now)
[23:15] <ochosi> enigmatic
[23:16] <bluesabre> Saw a 4.15 thing get uploaded to debian the other day
[23:16] <ochosi> is it good, bad or ugly? (the surprise)
[23:16] <bluesabre> Good
[23:16] <bluesabre> :)
[23:16]  * ochosi keeps his fingers crossed
[23:16] <JackFrost> ...What I'd think of as 'good' or what everyone else does? :P
[23:16] <bluesabre> Well
[23:16] <ochosi> :'D
[23:16] <bluesabre> That remains to be seen
[23:16] <bluesabre> ;)
[23:17] <ochosi> okok, i'll stop biting my nails and we can move on
[23:17] <ochosi> unless you want to know more regarding 4.15
[23:17] <JackFrost> Nope.
[23:17] <ochosi> k
[23:17] <bluesabre> Got anything planned for 4.14.x?
[23:17] <ochosi> yeah
[23:18] <ochosi> that's what i would move on to
[23:18] <ochosi> #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning
[23:18] <JackFrost> gtk-dialog-use-header doesn't really look like a user setting, but glade or whatnot, right?
[23:18] <ochosi> it's a user setting
[23:18] <ochosi> you can try with xfconf-query if you want
[23:19] <ochosi> (i can paste the command)
[23:19] <JackFrost> AH, fantastic.  Thanks.  I'll :x now.
[23:19] <ochosi> it'll be part of my blog post ;)
[23:19] <bluesabre> :)
[23:20] <ochosi> the only agenda item i added could go here or into discussion
[23:20] <ochosi> it's about checking up on 4.14.x releases
[23:21] <ochosi> so i would suggest we spend a few minutes to go around the most important components and see if we want a point release :)
[23:21] <bluesabre> :)
[23:21] <ochosi> and then info it
[23:21] <bluesabre> I think xfce4-settings has a few fixes waiting in it
[23:21] <ochosi> #info xfce4-panel 4.14.2 shall be released shortly
[23:22] <bluesabre> And xfce4-taskmanager drops the stuck floating legend, fixing one of our lp bugs
[23:22] <ochosi> #info xfce4-settings 4.14.2 shall be released shortly
[23:23] <bluesabre> xfce4-weather-plugin has some bugs I'm aware of that I need to fix and release
[23:23] <ochosi> #info xfdesktop 4.14.2 shall be released shortly
[23:23] <ochosi> (some of those means we need to bug others, other releases can be done by me or sean)
[23:23] <bluesabre> xfce4-screensaver has a few newly reported bugs with patches
[23:23] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:24] <ochosi> #info xfce4-session 4.14.1 shall be released shortly
[23:24] <bluesabre> nice
[23:25] <ochosi> so there are quite a few
[23:25] <bluesabre> JackFrost: aware of any critical releases?
[23:25] <ochosi> even though the powermanager has only commit, it's a nice one
[23:25] <JackFrost> Nope.
[23:26] <bluesabre> Got another catfish release I'll hopefully land this weekend
[23:26] <bluesabre> We might also need to revisit our docs a bit this cycle
[23:27] <bluesabre> Oh
[23:27] <ochosi> i thnk that's about it from the core components
[23:27] <bluesabre> And the wallpaper contest
[23:27] <bluesabre> Sorry, brain dumping :)
[23:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, can't think of others that have anything major pending
[23:28] <ochosi> docs and wallpaper contest are both fine, but i have to admit i probably won't have time for either
[23:28] <ochosi> i mean helping with the selection, yes, that's just one session
[23:28] <ochosi> but setting it all up and communicating it, probably not
[23:28] <bluesabre> Once I have a handle of the requirements, I'll put a schedule together
[23:29] <ochosi> k
[23:30] <ochosi> anything else you would like to discuss in planning?
[23:30] <bluesabre> xubuntu-wise, I think that's all I have
[23:31] <ochosi> k, same here
[23:31] <ochosi> #topic Discussion
[23:32] <bluesabre> hi
[23:32] <bluesabre> :)
[23:32] <ochosi> :)
[23:32] <bluesabre> So, we should probably look at the release schedule
[23:33] <ochosi> we had one point we may carry over from last time, which is announcing that we need people to work on our website (since knome isn't around a lot)
[23:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: wanna take an action item?
[23:33] <ochosi> :>
[23:33] <bluesabre> Sure
[23:33] <ochosi> and yeah, then let's look at the schedule
[23:34] <ochosi> #action bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress)
[23:34] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress)
[23:34] <bluesabre> Release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[23:35] <bluesabre> Feature freeze at the end of February
[23:35] <ochosi> 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze
[23:35] <bluesabre> We're not doing too bad for time :)
[23:35] <ochosi> seems like the next relevant date
[23:35] <ochosi> since we're not really planning any new features so far, i guess UI freeze may be more relevant even
[23:36] <ochosi> 3/19 - User Interface Freeze
[23:36] <bluesabre> Xfce 4.14 has been pleasantly stable, so there's not a lot of things to worry about adding or fixing
[23:36] <ochosi> indeed
[23:36] <bluesabre> Unless there's tons of broken stuff and nobody's reporting bugs
[23:36] <ochosi> :D
[23:36] <bluesabre> Definitely possible.
[23:36] <ochosi> some people are reporting bugs, and i actually fix some of them every once in a while
[23:37] <ochosi> the good thing is most of them also affect 4.15 so i have extra motivation to fix them anyway
[23:37] <bluesabre> good dev ochosi
[23:37] <ochosi> we're in a much better place than with 4.12
[23:37] <ochosi> the porting made bug fixing for older releases totally unpleasant
[23:37] <ochosi> and also felt more like a waste of time
[23:38] <bluesabre> What's the package that we use for the color profiles? Has it been updated for focal?
[23:38] <ochosi> ah
[23:38] <ochosi> i think so
[23:38] <ochosi> i think i even asked JackFrost to put it in a PPA for me and i tested it
[23:38] <ochosi> the main issue with it is gone (100%cpu and multiple daemons spawned)
[23:38] <JackFrost> But did you close the resulting bug? ;)
[23:39] <ochosi> i thought you did :p
[23:39] <ochosi> i can take a look...
[23:39] <bluesabre> #chair kryten
[23:39] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi
[23:39] <kryten> <3
[23:39] <franksmcb> I'm sorry to interrupt the flow. I've done a bunch of ISO testing without any issues presenting themselves.
[23:39] <pleia2> thanks franksmcb :)
[23:39] <bluesabre> hey franksmcb!
[23:39] <JackFrost> LP 1845800
[23:39] <bluesabre> Thanks for the testing :)
[23:40] <franksmcb> Howdy bluesabre
[23:40] <franksmcb> No worries, if there is something specific you want tested for please reach out 
[23:40] <ochosi> #chair pleia
[23:40] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: pleia
[23:40] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia
[23:41] <ochosi> #chair pleia2
[23:41] <meetingology> Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia pleia2
[23:41] <ochosi> JackFrost: closed it now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xiccd/+bug/1845800
[23:41] <bluesabre> franksmcb: definitely, will do
[23:41] <ochosi> we can link that to our roadmap actually
[23:43] <ochosi> didn't we once vote on installing a color emoji font? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1766976
[23:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, didn't get enough votes for a decision iirc
[23:44] <ochosi> oh wow, only 2 people voted..?
[23:45] <ochosi> no, 5
[23:45] <ochosi> isnt 5 enough?
[23:47] <bluesabre> Not sure, internet connection really bad right now
[23:47] <bluesabre> Might have been 10 members at that time
[23:47] <JackFrost> With regards to post-20.04, we'll have to look for project leads again. :P
[23:48] <ochosi> do we need a new council?
[23:48] <JackFrost> We will post-20.04
[23:48] <ochosi> right
[23:48] <ochosi> good to know
[23:50] <bluesabre> Maybe we'll have some new faces apply :)
[23:51] <ochosi> that'd be nice
[23:52] <JackFrost> Seems like nothing else?
[23:53] <ochosi> yup
[23:53] <ochosi> i'm done
[23:54] <ochosi> i'd move on to doing those xfce releases i mentioned earlier...
[23:54] <bluesabre> :)
[23:54] <bluesabre> I have nothing else
[23:54] <bluesabre> kryten, pleia2?
[23:54] <ochosi> franksmcb?
[23:54] <pleia2> nothing from me
[23:54] <kryten> Noope!
[23:55] <ochosi> #action JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting
[23:55] <meetingology> ACTION: JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting
[23:55] <bluesabre> Easy to escape with a nick change ;)
[23:56] <ochosi> #endmeeting
[23:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Jan 10 23:56:20 2020 UTC.  
[23:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-01-10-23.01.moin.txt
[23:56] <ochosi> indeed
[23:56] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[23:56] <bluesabre> bbl
[23:56] <ochosi> yw and sorry again for messing up the announcement...
[23:57] <pleia2> sorry for being late, I'm in Australia this week and time is confusing
[23:58] <JackFrost> Haha. :D
[23:58] <pleia2> :)
[23:58] <ochosi> ok, minutes are up
[23:58] <ochosi> pleia2: i hope you're ok with all the fires and stuff..
[23:58] <pleia2> yeah, I just got in yesterday and I'm up in Brisbane, no fires here