=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [22:55] !team | reminder - team meeting in 5! [22:55] reminder - team meeting in 5!: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [22:56] Wait what? [22:56] Same here.. :3 [22:59] Firing up my laptop now [22:59] pleia2: Hello! We've got an 'unsubscribe' message pending in queue, can you just go ahead and ubsub the email address? [23:00] If you use listadmin, listadmin --remove-member #EMAIL xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com should do. [23:01] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [23:01] Meeting started Fri Jan 10 23:01:28 2020 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [23:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [23:01] #chair JackFrost [23:01] Current chairs: JackFrost ochosi [23:01] #chair bluesabre [23:01] Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre ochosi [23:01] o/ [23:02] hi and welcome everyone! [23:02] #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [23:02] #topic Open action items [23:02] we carried over nothing from the last meeting [23:03] and since nobody added any AIs since then i guess we have none..? [23:03] I think a lot of folks didn't know about the meeting [23:03] I saw a mention of it, and it was on the calendar :D [23:03] tonight? [23:03] i sent out the usual mail and put it on the calendar [23:03] and on the wiki page [23:04] Yep, I didn't. So I guess now might be a good time to ask what 4.15 has in store for us, or specifically, what we're going to do with it. [23:04] I feel like I didn't see the mail [23:04] hmm [23:04] Anyhoo, we're here now :D [23:04] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-January/thread.html ? [23:04] wtf [23:05] https://imgur.com/0b5Vigf.png [23:05] i didn't receive a rejection mail or anything [23:05] and i didn't check the archive, because... why would i? [23:05] :/ [23:06] lol [23:06] soooorry (i guess) [23:06] Not you, or us, so all good [23:06] but i'm happy i managed to schedule a time/day that works :D [23:06] so yeah, let's skip ahead and talk about 4.16 [23:06] or 4.15 [23:06] #topic Updates and announcements [23:07] (I also didn't discard your mail from the list!) [23:07] #info Xfce 4.15 is progressing well and there are a few more releases around the corner [23:08] since 4.16 will switch to client side decorations for XfceTitledDialog that begs the question whether we go s/mate/gnome in our application set (evince,..) [23:08] also, gtk-dialog-use-header will be enabled by default upstream [23:08] #info The new dark theme, Greybird-dark was just released [23:08] which means all GtkDialog based windows should use CSD [23:08] Working on getting that packaged :) [23:09] cool [23:09] so regarding what we're going to do with 4.15, i'd slap it into a PPA for testing [23:09] and then think about it again once 20.04 is released [23:10] if you want a sneak preview (ahead of my upcoming blog post about this), here's the xfce settings manager in the new layout: https://imgur.com/sj98Abn.png [23:11] so visually it's not a big departure [23:11] or a standalone config dialog: https://imgur.com/5nRhS6H.png [23:12] JackFrost: does that answer your question? [23:13] Well not really, I'd guess the specific question is ppa:xubuntu-dev/experimental ? [23:13] yeah, i guess so [23:13] Sure, I think that's fine [23:13] OK, I'll only be picking them up as they hit Debian experimental this time. [23:14] Makes sense :) [23:14] does debian experimental pick up devel releases? [23:14] (sry, i'm rather ignorant there) [23:15] Depends on if corsac feels like it, but usually yeah. [23:15] Other news from the theming perspective, the Yaru folks might have a surprise for us soon (nothing more to say about that for now) [23:15] enigmatic [23:16] Saw a 4.15 thing get uploaded to debian the other day [23:16] is it good, bad or ugly? (the surprise) [23:16] Good [23:16] :) [23:16] * ochosi keeps his fingers crossed [23:16] ...What I'd think of as 'good' or what everyone else does? :P [23:16] Well [23:16] :'D [23:16] That remains to be seen [23:16] ;) [23:17] okok, i'll stop biting my nails and we can move on [23:17] unless you want to know more regarding 4.15 [23:17] Nope. [23:17] k [23:17] Got anything planned for 4.14.x? [23:17] yeah [23:18] that's what i would move on to [23:18] #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning [23:18] gtk-dialog-use-header doesn't really look like a user setting, but glade or whatnot, right? [23:18] it's a user setting [23:18] you can try with xfconf-query if you want [23:19] (i can paste the command) [23:19] AH, fantastic. Thanks. I'll :x now. [23:19] it'll be part of my blog post ;) [23:19] :) [23:20] the only agenda item i added could go here or into discussion [23:20] it's about checking up on 4.14.x releases [23:21] so i would suggest we spend a few minutes to go around the most important components and see if we want a point release :) [23:21] :) [23:21] and then info it [23:21] I think xfce4-settings has a few fixes waiting in it [23:21] #info xfce4-panel 4.14.2 shall be released shortly [23:22] And xfce4-taskmanager drops the stuck floating legend, fixing one of our lp bugs [23:22] #info xfce4-settings 4.14.2 shall be released shortly [23:23] xfce4-weather-plugin has some bugs I'm aware of that I need to fix and release [23:23] #info xfdesktop 4.14.2 shall be released shortly [23:23] (some of those means we need to bug others, other releases can be done by me or sean) [23:23] xfce4-screensaver has a few newly reported bugs with patches [23:23] yeah [23:24] #info xfce4-session 4.14.1 shall be released shortly [23:24] nice [23:25] so there are quite a few [23:25] JackFrost: aware of any critical releases? [23:25] even though the powermanager has only commit, it's a nice one [23:25] Nope. [23:26] Got another catfish release I'll hopefully land this weekend [23:26] We might also need to revisit our docs a bit this cycle [23:27] Oh [23:27] i thnk that's about it from the core components [23:27] And the wallpaper contest [23:27] Sorry, brain dumping :) [23:28] ochosi: yeah, can't think of others that have anything major pending [23:28] docs and wallpaper contest are both fine, but i have to admit i probably won't have time for either [23:28] i mean helping with the selection, yes, that's just one session [23:28] but setting it all up and communicating it, probably not [23:28] Once I have a handle of the requirements, I'll put a schedule together [23:29] k [23:30] anything else you would like to discuss in planning? [23:30] xubuntu-wise, I think that's all I have [23:31] k, same here [23:31] #topic Discussion [23:32] hi [23:32] :) [23:32] :) [23:32] So, we should probably look at the release schedule [23:33] we had one point we may carry over from last time, which is announcing that we need people to work on our website (since knome isn't around a lot) [23:33] bluesabre: wanna take an action item? [23:33] :> [23:33] Sure [23:33] and yeah, then let's look at the schedule [23:34] #action bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress) [23:34] ACTION: bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress) [23:34] Release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule [23:35] Feature freeze at the end of February [23:35] 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze [23:35] We're not doing too bad for time :) [23:35] seems like the next relevant date [23:35] since we're not really planning any new features so far, i guess UI freeze may be more relevant even [23:36] 3/19 - User Interface Freeze [23:36] Xfce 4.14 has been pleasantly stable, so there's not a lot of things to worry about adding or fixing [23:36] indeed [23:36] Unless there's tons of broken stuff and nobody's reporting bugs [23:36] :D [23:36] Definitely possible. [23:36] some people are reporting bugs, and i actually fix some of them every once in a while [23:37] the good thing is most of them also affect 4.15 so i have extra motivation to fix them anyway [23:37] good dev ochosi [23:37] we're in a much better place than with 4.12 [23:37] the porting made bug fixing for older releases totally unpleasant [23:37] and also felt more like a waste of time [23:38] What's the package that we use for the color profiles? Has it been updated for focal? [23:38] ah [23:38] i think so [23:38] i think i even asked JackFrost to put it in a PPA for me and i tested it [23:38] the main issue with it is gone (100%cpu and multiple daemons spawned) [23:38] But did you close the resulting bug? ;) [23:39] i thought you did :p [23:39] i can take a look... [23:39] #chair kryten [23:39] Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi [23:39] <3 [23:39] I'm sorry to interrupt the flow. I've done a bunch of ISO testing without any issues presenting themselves. [23:39] thanks franksmcb :) [23:39] hey franksmcb! [23:39] LP 1845800 [23:39] Launchpad bug 1845800 in xiccd (Ubuntu) "xiccd consumes 100% CPU" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845800 [23:39] Thanks for the testing :) [23:40] Howdy bluesabre [23:40] No worries, if there is something specific you want tested for please reach out [23:40] #chair pleia [23:40] Warning: Nick not in channel: pleia [23:40] Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia [23:41] #chair pleia2 [23:41] Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia pleia2 [23:41] JackFrost: closed it now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xiccd/+bug/1845800 [23:41] Launchpad bug 1845800 in xiccd (Ubuntu) "xiccd consumes 100% CPU" [Undecided,Fix released] [23:41] franksmcb: definitely, will do [23:41] we can link that to our roadmap actually [23:43] didn't we once vote on installing a color emoji font? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1766976 [23:43] Launchpad bug 1766976 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Please consider installing fonts-noto-color-emoji by default" [Low,Confirmed] [23:43] ochosi: yeah, didn't get enough votes for a decision iirc [23:44] oh wow, only 2 people voted..? [23:45] no, 5 [23:45] isnt 5 enough? [23:47] Not sure, internet connection really bad right now [23:47] Might have been 10 members at that time [23:47] With regards to post-20.04, we'll have to look for project leads again. :P [23:48] do we need a new council? [23:48] We will post-20.04 [23:48] right [23:48] good to know [23:50] Maybe we'll have some new faces apply :) [23:51] that'd be nice [23:52] Seems like nothing else? [23:53] yup [23:53] i'm done [23:54] i'd move on to doing those xfce releases i mentioned earlier... [23:54] :) [23:54] I have nothing else [23:54] kryten, pleia2? [23:54] franksmcb? [23:54] nothing from me [23:54] Noope! [23:55] #action JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting [23:55] ACTION: JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting [23:55] Easy to escape with a nick change ;) [23:56] #endmeeting [23:56] Meeting ended Fri Jan 10 23:56:20 2020 UTC. [23:56] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-01-10-23.01.moin.txt [23:56] indeed [23:56] thanks ochosi [23:56] bbl [23:56] yw and sorry again for messing up the announcement... [23:57] sorry for being late, I'm in Australia this week and time is confusing [23:58] Haha. :D [23:58] :) [23:58] ok, minutes are up [23:58] pleia2: i hope you're ok with all the fires and stuff.. [23:58] yeah, I just got in yesterday and I'm up in Brisbane, no fires here