[00:00] <sarnold> zxd: does control alt f1 or f2 etc change to a virtual console?
[00:04] <tomreyn> !19.04 | zxd: note the end of support
[00:06] <Bashing-om> zxd: Too: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-January/000252.html
[00:06] <heap_> hi, whats the best way to backup ubuntu server..once drive dies... so then i can do fresh install and fast restore?
[00:07] <heap_> i dont mean /home .. but /etc. /var etc
[00:07] <zxd> sarnold: yes it does
[00:07] <zxd> and I got login prompt gfx mixed with the console
[00:08] <zxd> tried restarting gdm now screen went blank
[00:10] <heap_> i meant how to backup system part of ubuntu ..
[00:11] <heap_> not user data .. if its possible
[00:12] <tomreyn> tar works, or any backup utility, i guess
[00:12] <Bashing-om> heap_: 'rsync' is my goto.
[00:12] <sarnold> zxd: cool; if you can get to a virtual console then you can hopefully check journalctl or look for errors in /var/log/
[00:13] <heap_> hm
[00:13] <sarnold> heap_: or zfs send and zfs receive; but perhaps it's better still to deploy your servers with automation of some sort so you can 'replay' what is required to replace that server
[00:13] <zxd> sarnold: yea what to look for ?
[00:13] <sixwheeledbeast> I'd use a live image to copy stuff
[00:13] <heap_> but once u do fresh install ...
[00:14] <heap_> simply rsync and override whole /etc
[00:14] <heap_> wont help...
[00:15] <sixwheeledbeast> rsync has options, I suppose it depends what you want then
[00:15] <sarnold> zxd: I'm not sure; I've only ever had intel video so I don't know what goes wrong with other kinds of video..
[00:15] <heap_> i want some option how to backup and then restore to fresh install
[00:15] <sarnold> zxd: if there's nothing obvious there then maybe try the 19.10 installer?
[00:15] <heap_> i am not sure if such thing is possible
[00:16] <zxd> sarnold: the 19.10 installer worked until the system rebooted
[00:16] <zxd> after installation
[00:16] <heap_> is it?
[00:17] <sixwheeledbeast> well tar as above would work
[00:17] <sarnold> zxd: oh bugger I thought this was 19.04.
[00:19] <zxd> sarnold: 19.04 installation
[00:19] <heap_> sarnold: maybe the easiest way if its VM .. snapshot it ... but i realy dont know ... if there is such mechanism if system die ... to recover/restore easily onto new fresh install.
[00:20] <heap_> Bashing-om: will be lot of hassle i think?
[00:23] <BlackPine707> Xenial v16.04.1LTS - Need input for decision of USB Broadband Modem Dongle...   Current consideration; Sierra Wireless 313U (Unlocked), Netgear Beam (AT&T) 340U (Unlocked)...  NOTE: Need not only data/text service, but also Voice (basically turning my laptop into a super cell phone)
[00:24] <Bashing-om> heap_: Once you have the scrips writtten ( and verified to perform) - piece of cake :P
[00:24] <heap_> Bashing-om: rsync will not download required system packages that doesnt come with default distro install..
[00:25] <heap_> maybe https://teejeetech.in/2017/10/01/timeshift-v17-10/
[00:25] <heap_> ?
[00:26] <Bashing-om> heap_: You were talking about restoring a system to current state. For Apps and such you might find the 'debfoster' tool of interest.
[00:27] <heap_> Bashing-om: yeah... istn that timeshift job?
[00:28] <Bashing-om> heap_: Cano not comment - never used timeshift.
[00:28] <heap_> Timeshift is similar to applications like rsnapshot, BackInTime and TimeVault but with different goals. It is designed to protect only system files and settings. User files such as documents, pictures and music are excluded. This ensures that your files remains unchanged when you restore your system to an earlier date.
[00:30] <BlackPine707> Is there a more apropos chan to ask about a USB Cell Dongle under Xenial ??
[00:33] <tomreyn> here should be fine, BlackPine707
[00:33] <tomreyn> that's if this is a regular Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[00:34] <BlackPine707> It is....  Kernel 4.15
[00:34] <heap_> i am wondering how ppl backup stuff... ie system stuff not user data
[00:35] <heap_> to backup each app confs... must be nightmare
[00:35] <BlackPine707> Tnx Tom
[00:37] <Bashing-om> heap_: I came to the conlusion a long time past that backing up system files was a waste. System files are on the install media :D All I back up (rsync) are my personal files, and I keep a changelog.
[00:37] <OerHeks> apps configs are usually stored in the home folder, ~/.config and such
[00:38] <OerHeks> and why should you, unless you make manual edits in those
[00:39] <heap_> Bashing-om: if its server lot of configuration of hhtpd/vpn stuff ...
[00:55] <heap_>   while running ubuntu 16x in vm i got 150/10mbit on eth0 ... after upgrade to 18x i got 150/3mbit .. any idea why?
[00:56] <heap_> did they change some driver or something ?
[00:57] <konrados> Hey, my new setup just crashed. What logs should I check to see what happened?
[00:58] <konrados> it's not a hardware thing, first it slowed down, then I could not do anything but sysrq+reisub
[00:59] <BlackPine707> Xenial v16.04.1LTS - Need input for decision of USB Broadband Modem Dongle...   Current consideration; Sierra Wireless 313U (Unlocked), Netgear (AT&T Beam) 340U (Unlocked)...  NOTE: Need not only data/text service, but also Voice (basically turning my laptop into a super cell phone)
[00:59] <konrados> I could see a cursor flashing, so it seems to be a software thing
[00:59] <glick> hi
[01:00] <glick> does ubuntu mini network installer not give you the option to encrypt your home directory?
[01:03] <glick> ?
[01:04] <sarnold> glick: not all version suspport homedir encryption
[01:05] <sarnold> glick: whether or not it was ever exposed in the mini installer I don't know, but 18.04's installer doesn't offer homedir encryption; I can't recall when exactly we made the change
[01:06] <glick> hmmm
[01:07] <sarnold> glick: yeah, 18.04 was the one that removed it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Other_base_system_changes_since_16.04_LTS
[01:07] <heap_> if i run dig A www.kame.net on one host i got
[01:07] <heap_> ;; SERVER: 10.0.1.1#53(10.0.1.1)
[01:07] <heap_> other host returns
[01:07] <heap_> ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.53#53(127.0.0.53)
[01:07] <heap_> why 127.X?
[01:08] <glick> why? they dont like home dir encryption?
[01:09] <glick> im thinking of installing a minimal ubuntu system on my lapie
[01:09] <glick> i cant stand unity or gnome3
[01:09] <glick> i like cinamon but mint is outdated
[01:09] <glick> want the latest software
[01:10] <sarnold> glick: ecryptfs was getting incresingly fragile over time; it worked okay when it was introduced but kernel modifications kept making it harder and hard to maintain; we couldn't in good faith continue to support ecryptfs on new installations any longer
[01:10] <glick> so how is encryption done today?
[01:10] <sarnold> glick: unfortunately the ext4-based encryption support via fscrypt hasn't improved enough to the point where we can suggest that, either
[01:10] <sarnold> glick: full disk encryption via LUKS
[01:11] <glick> luks just encrypt the paritions used?
[01:11] <glick> i have / on one disk and /home on another
[01:12] <hofer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019#LUKS_Encrypt
[01:12] <sarnold> glick: better to think of FDE as encrypting the block storage devices, but yeah that's pretty close
[01:13] <glick> thanks hofer
[01:13] <glick> i see ar
[01:13] <glick> i see sarnold
[01:19] <glick> from the "try ubuntu without installing" iso images, can i install a minimal install without a desktop?
[01:22] <TJ-> glick: that sounds like you want a 'server' install (which is effectively the ubuntu base image but with some differences on the network management side)
[01:24] <glick> damn sounds like disk encryption is a BIG pain in the but
[01:33] <sarnold> glick: the day I thought I forgot my disk unlock password was pretty stressful.
[01:33] <sarnold> glick: homedir encryption was nice because different users could have their own storage, but it was super-brittle
[01:33] <sarnold> glick: fde is more reliable but does mean there's basically just the one encrypted storage used for all users
[01:43] <glick> is there a 19.10 cinamon ppa?
[01:46] <TJ-> sarnold: should use a Yubikey as well :)
[01:46] <sarnold> TJ-: for FDE? got a link? :D
[01:48] <TJ-> sarnold: get the Yubikey to generate a static 64-character password on slot 2. copy it to LUKS key slot, hold your finger on the Yubikey for more than 2 seconds when prompted for the passphrase
[01:48] <sarnold> TJ-: oooo
[01:48] <glick> anyone?
[01:49] <glick> using cinnamon with 9.10?
[01:49] <sarnold> i3 here
[01:49] <TJ-> sarnold: this works with encrypted /boot/ too to unlock at GRUB stage
[01:50] <sarnold> my passphrase is certainly longer than I'd like but it is NOT as strong as random 64 chars, hah
[01:50] <TJ-> sarnold: mine is a nursery rhyme... about 200 characters
[01:51] <TJ-> I have that, some key-files, and the Yubikey
[01:51] <sarnold> TJ-: wow, I'd desperately need some forward error correction on something that long -- no way I could type 200 chars wihtou making an errror (How did I do on this line? :)(
[01:51] <TJ-> sarnold: well that's where the Yubikey comes in!
[01:52] <sarnold> yeah, it *IS* the keyboard :)
[01:52] <TJ-> sarnold: my passphrase has entered muscle-memory now though, so when I think about it I get it wrong by 2nd-guessing myself
[01:52] <sarnold> and you're in trouble if you try to do it while standing or something
[01:52] <TJ-> actually I find that easier for some reason
[01:53] <TJ-> the biggest issue is moving between different keyboards
[01:54] <sarnold> heh, yeah that'd do it..
[02:08] <glick> cinnamon doesn work with 19.10 or is it in the repos?
[02:08] <glick> can you do apt install cinnamon?
[02:13] <glick> is no one here?
[02:13] <glick> no one chatting?
[02:17] <mheath_> glick: cinnamon is not in the official Ubuntu repositories. There are unofficial builds available. How perfectly customized for (and compatible with) Ubuntu it is will be up to the person packaging it.
[02:22] <pi0> what is that screen recording app ppl use to make youtube videos in ubuntu that also displays keys being pressed
[02:25] <Zerfm> Hello all.. Can someone please help me ? I'm desperate with partition problems... i'm now with up and downs on that computer... I can't see any bright with that problem :(
[02:27] <Bashing-om> !details | Zerfm
[02:30] <Zerfm> So I have a Surface computer with windows on it. I just used it for works (and It's a gift from my boss in fact). I used to update the work software today but I had the blue screen of death... and then no more booting... Try windows boot usb key without Help and then  I use my ubuntu live USB key... And I can find my drive but I had a lot of error
[02:30] <Zerfm> with gparted and so on : Error fsyncing/closing kind of error... ) After several try I figure to "reset" the sdd with the mfks.ext4 command and then I launch the windows installation but it looked like it stuck at 41%... I reboot the computer and the partition errors come again.... but mkfs dosn't work anymore...
[02:31] <Zerfm> and on top of that : my keyboard isn't working on the Live ubuntu key, so all of that in visual keyboard...
[02:31] <Zerfm> I even try DD now but not working :(
[02:35] <Zerfm> The 1st mkfs command work like a charm, and then the Windows install parted the disk again but I break the all via the reboot... Is there any hope for me ? :(
[02:37] <glick> i dont know why ubuntu doesnt add official cinnamon packages to the repo
[02:37] <glick> its one of the best desktops for linux
[02:41] <myuser> I need to copy a partition. I want to use GParted. The partition is an extended partition that has an LVM partition in it. This partition is not mounted when I boot, but is locked. Will lvremove allow me to copy the partition and remount it afterwards?
[02:43] <Bashing-om> myuser: Does turning off swap in gparted also unlock the LVM partition ?
[02:58] <pragmaticenigma> Zerfm, Surface laptops have been able to run Ubuntu, however, depending on the version and model that you have requires potentially different approaches. If it were me, I would be looking for tutorials specific to the Surface model that you are working with, read through the entire instructions before trying any more steps. You may also find better help in #ubports which focuses on the mobile/touch type devices and ubuntu.
[03:02] <Zerfm> pragmaticenigma : Linux is working on the surface, that's not the problem. It's the ssd that is dead I fear...
[03:04] <Bashing-om> Zerfm: What does the log file /var/log/syslog reflect about the ssd ?
[03:04] <pragmaticenigma> Zerfm, could be a number of things. This channel isn't going to be the best source for help with that hardware. If you have a live instance, smartctrl would be able to provide a report of the SSD drive. Otherwise, it sounds like you would have to take the machine to an authorized Microsoft repair servicer for help with the unit.
[03:10] <myuser> Bashing-om - no
[03:12] <Zerfm> Bashing-om : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mhGQpk3ZT4
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Zerfm: I/O errors i would be running a filesystem/check repair. However, I do not know how on LVM.
[03:20] <RaiouZoriastar> Hello I need help creating a Bootble usb drive of Windows 10
[03:25] <Zerfm> pragmaticenigma : smartctrl show no problem...
[03:25] <Zerfm> Bashing-om I don't know how to do that :(  (
[03:27] <Bashing-om> Zerfm: I too do not have that experience to have the capacity in LVM to advise ;(
[03:32] <pragmaticenigma> !woeusb | RaiouZoriastar
[03:44] <RaiouZoriastar> I got woeusb working
[03:44] <RaiouZoriastar> I am trying that now
[03:44] <RaiouZoriastar> It is copying to my usb stick now/
[03:44] <RaiouZoriastar> So we shall see what happens
[03:45] <RaiouZoriastar> Thank You again Linux for fixing another computer
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> RaiouZoriastar: did you have to search for the launcher on snap?
[03:45] <RaiouZoriastar> sudo gdebi ../woeusb*.deb
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> RaiouZoriastar: ah you grabbed a .deb from where?
[03:45] <RaiouZoriastar> I found some instructions on google.
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> right
[03:46] <RaiouZoriastar> The software installer version doesnt work
[03:46] <RaiouZoriastar> This one does
[04:02] <glick> is xfce in ubuntu?
[04:02] <wonderworld> glick: try xubuntu
[04:03] <glick> wonderworld: id like to install a minimal install, and then install xfce ontop of it
[04:03] <glick> so theres only the the minimal system and i can install exactly and only what i need
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> glick: ubuntu 18.04 and higher have already a minimal option in the installer
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> glick: so you can pick xubuntu as a flavour, then enable the minimal option during setup
[04:05] <glick> lotuspsychje: no i want absolute minimal
[04:05] <wonderworld> yes, would give you a minimal xfce ubuntu setup
[04:05] <pragmaticenigma> glick, You can also use the mini.iso to install the Ubuntu core, which will offer the option to install desktop environment only of XFCE. The mini.iso requires an active internet connection to install however
[04:05] <glick> i see
[04:05] <glick> thanks pragmaticenigma
[04:06] <glick> thats what i want :)
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> glick: picking the mini.iso requiers a bit more advanced skills too
[04:11] <glick> without ubuntu installed can i see which packages are in the respos?
[04:12] <pragmaticenigma> glick, https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:12] <glick> cool
[04:12] <glick> thanks
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | glick Or
[04:20] <davido_> I need to take my 18.04.3 release to 19.10 in order to get some newer features needed from openconnect (I could probably just install the newer version of openconnect but I'm comfortable going to 19.10 now).  However, do-release-upgrade yields Failed to connect to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release. Check your Internet connection or proxy settings. But I *can* hit that URL with a browser.
[04:25] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, which browser are you using? what if you use the command "dig changelogs.ubuntu.com" ... what does that return?
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> davido_: recommended fresh install, cause from 18.04 you will need to upgrade to 18.10 (eol) first
[04:28] <davido_> https://pastebin.com/3y8uKNLc
[04:28] <davido_> A fresh install is non-destructive?
[04:28] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje, from what I've heard... do-release-upgrade will upgrade to the next available supported version... it does not require incremental updates
[04:28] <davido_> (I maintain a backup but would prefer not clobbering the system)
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: oh, did you test that feature?
[04:30] <davido_> Also curl https://...the-full-url... produces what I think it should.
[04:31] <Blade> davido_   see the setings all ipdate aveliabal
[04:31] <Blade> update
[04:31] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, not sure why that is coming back with not found... did you switch your installation from "LTS" to "normal" release?
[04:31] <davido_> I did.
[04:31] <Blade> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[04:31] <Blade> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 5.4.10-050410-lowlatency x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.34.3
[04:31] <Blade>            Distro: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[04:31] <Blade> i did
[04:31] <Blade> and
[04:31] <Blade> work
[04:32] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, after switching did you perform an "apt update"
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> use a pastebin Blade
[04:32] <dax> Blade: please stop pasting your inxi output into #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 for no reason.
[04:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> !paste | Blade
[04:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Blade: Pretty sure this isn't the first time you've been told that.
[04:33] <davido_> Yes, I used software & updates to change to "for any new version"... then from the cli I did sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade.
[04:35] <davido_> Also just verified that /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades has "Prompt=normal"
[04:35] <Blade> change da name in you repos
[04:36] <pragmaticenigma> Blade, That suggestion is not supported here
[04:36] <Blade> and apt-get dist-upgreat
[04:37] <davido_> I wouldn't follow imprecise advice anyway. ;)
[04:37] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, does "do-release-upgrade -c" return the same issue?
[04:37] <davido_> yes.
[04:41] <davido_> Could I manually download the UpgradeTool for 19.10 specified in the changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release document un-gz it, and use it directly?
[04:43] <pragmaticenigma> not certain if that's a good idea or not... depends on how much you want to risk your system
[04:45] <davido_> I'd prefer not getting into a situation where I need to spend the next few hours re-configuring ssh server and other tooling I've got in place. Like I mentioned, I do have backups, but it's always such a pain restoring system-level stuff from backup. homedirs are easy, data paths are easy, but config stuff isn't typically a good idea.
[04:45] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, If you have a fresh back up of the system, can't hurt to try... I'm just not sure where that falls in the process of upgrade. If there were any pacakges that were set to be removed on upgrade, they may not get flagged properly
[04:45] <davido_> i see.
[04:45] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, Why not make a system image back up? using something like clonezilla
[04:46] <davido_> That's probably a good idea. I've got plenty of room for it on one of the spindle drives that only takes hot backups anyway.
[04:46] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, Clonezilla will make a byte-for-byte compressed copy of your system, that you can easily restore and the post restoration it's like you pick up right where you left off
[04:47] <pragmaticenigma> is there a particular feature of openconnect that you are seeking that isn't available with the current release that you are on right now?
[04:49] <davido_> openconnect --protocol=gp
[04:49] <davido_> ...gp isn't supported in 7.08
[04:50] <pragmaticenigma> I'm unfortunately not familiar with openconnect enough to know what protocol gp is
[04:50] <davido_> https://www.infradead.org/openconnect/globalprotect.html
[04:51] <davido_> globalprotect ... some lame VPN my org has moved to. Works fine on my 19.10 laptop, but isn't available on my 18.04 desktop.
[04:52] <davido_> openconnect worked fine when we were using anyconnect as the vpn protocol, but there must be some feature they like better in globalprotect, so I'm stuck needing to migrate.
[04:53] <pragmaticenigma> globalprotect has the ability to target and lockout (force disconnect) connected clients
[04:53] <davido_> ah, so I'm sure that's tons better for IT. ;)
[04:54] <davido_> (it probably actually is, so I'll stop complaining)
[04:54] <pragmaticenigma> that and I think it better supports some various 2FA options
[04:54] <davido_> we're using the same 2FA we used before; duo
[04:54] <bynarie> so i have ubuntu server 18.04, i tried to ssh into it and it gives me an error(permission denied, public key)
[04:55] <bynarie> i deleted the authorized_keys file
[04:55] <pragmaticenigma> sidebar davido_ ... does your DUO have an "echo" where you have to approve twice?
[04:55] <bynarie> still says the same thing
[04:55] <davido_> pragmaticenigma: It used to. That seems to have cleaned up in the past six months. But for awhile, yeah; I was getting double-pings from it.
[04:57] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, I'm really not sure about the next step forward... it's really wierd that the do-release-upgrade fails like that
[04:58] <davido_> What will I be faced with if I go create a bootable USB with 19.10 and select the install option; will that clobber things like SSH server, samba, and other stuff I've got set up?
[05:00] <pragmaticenigma> yes... you would lose system level configurations
[05:01] <pragmaticenigma> if your home directory is partitioned away from root... that would be preserved but you would have to do the manual partitioning option to ensure it gets picked up
[05:01] <davido_> Alright, well, I guess I'd probably prefer just building a newer version of openconnect from source if I have to.
[05:02] <davido_> Let me ask an unrelated question: On my laptop I dual-boot because it's occasionally useful to run Logitech software, or something else that doesn't play nicely with wine. If I ever decided to upgrade the laptop's SSD to something larger than 500GB, what are my options for accomplishing that without losing the dual-boot characteristics?
[05:03] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, One question... do you have the file /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available and what's its contents?
[05:03] <davido_> file exists, size is 0
[05:03] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, you can use clonezilla to copy the drive over to the new larger drive, then use a partition tool to resize the partitions
[05:04] <pragmaticenigma> rather clonezilla can image one drive to another (dd can do the same if your comfortable with that approach)
[05:04] <davido_> that sounds promising, though currently not particularly urgent.
[05:05] <davido_> yeah, dd would be fine so long as it can handle the windows partition and grub and all that correctly, which I think it's low-level enough that it ought to.
[05:05] <davido_> dd reminds me of the old Apple II days when we would dupe disks with software called nibbles away. :)
[05:05] <pragmaticenigma> It's a bit-for-bit clone... setting the right block size is one of the more important factors
[05:06] <davido_> anyway, the release-upgrade-available file is empty.
[05:06] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, that at least means the message isn't just some cached message
[05:07] <davido_> :) that would almost be a welcome discovery.
[05:08] <pragmaticenigma> assuming the file is 0 bytes, from what I'm reading that shouldn't be a factor in your case
[05:08] <davido_> right.  I'm just thinking if it were not zero bytes, we might have something to try. :)
[05:09] <davido_> I guess I'm going to try to build openconnect from the github source, and see how that goes.
[05:09] <davido_> deal with inability to upgrade some other year.
[05:10] <pragmaticenigma> davido_, I think we're at the point where there a few options remaining. One would be to wait till 20.04 is released, though the upgrade tool is usually delayed by a few months. The other would be to swap out the release names and forcefully update that method
[05:10] <pragmaticenigma> final option would be to install openconnect manually with the latest version and stay on 18.04
[05:11] <davido_> yeah, I'm just going to stay on 18.04 for now, wait for 20.04 for the desktop system, and build openconnect from github source.
[05:11] <davido_> I do appreciate your help though.
[05:11] <pragmaticenigma> the only caveat that I'm aware of with switching the release names, is that you just bypass some of the compatibility checks and deprecation checks between versions.
[05:12] <davido_> I'm not sure how to do that.
[05:15] <pragmaticenigma> you would be updating /etc/apt/sources.list file.. exchanging bionic with eoan
[05:15] <pragmaticenigma> which would set you on the 19.10 update repositories
[05:16] <pragmaticenigma> you would need to make that change to any of your PPAs installed as well
[05:16] <pragmaticenigma> at least PPAs that make reference to bionic
[05:17] <pragmaticenigma> I've gotta jet here... I think the better check is to do the build it yourself route... seems the safest and least likely to prevent system stability issues
[05:17] <davido_> well, that was too easy. Just built it from source, and I'm all good.
[05:18] <pragmaticenigma> s/better check/better bet/
[05:18] <davido_> thanks again.
[05:18] <pragmaticenigma> building from source has gotten a lot better in the past few years ;-) far from perfect, but much better
[05:18] <pragmaticenigma> good luck davido_ ... cheers
[05:19] <davido_> yeah. well, there's varying degrees of distribution quality. I'm a software engineer. I see plenty of crap too. ;)  But this one was well done.
[05:24] <Blade> davido_  you is lame
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Blade: stop that
[05:48] <konrados> Hello. I used to create swap partitions and create swap there. But this time, I only have one disk on this particular setup. When I do `swapon --show`  - and see the result "/swapfile file   2G   0B   -2" then it means I *do* have a swap, but on a system file, is this correct?
[05:48] <konrados> *system disk*
[05:48] <OerHeks> yes, swap partition is now standard swapfile
[05:49] <OerHeks> so, basicly, ubuntu can be 1 partition now
[05:49] <konrados> ok, OerHeks - how can I increase its size? Because when I google it, I only find solutions about a swap partition.
[05:52] <OerHeks> start with ' sudo swapoff /swapfile'   https://askubuntu.com/a/1075516
[05:52] <konrados> OerHeks, oh, maybe it is related to the fact that I googled "linux swap size change", now I googled "linux swap file change size" and found this - https://bogdancornianu.com/change-swap-size-in-ubuntu/ is this guy correct?
[05:52] <OerHeks> remove it, make a large one, and swapon
[05:52] <konrados> OerHeks, thank you!!!
[05:52] <OerHeks> have fun!
[05:52] <konrados> And sorry for this silly question, I didn't know how to google that :)
[05:52] <konrados> thanks :)
[05:53] <OerHeks> now you can help others :-)
[05:54] <konrados> :)
[05:59] <konrados> OerHeks, - it worked, also after restart, thanks again, and happy new year! :)
[06:00] <OerHeks> yay!
[06:27] <konrados> Hey, anybody's here?
[06:28] <konrados> When I do alt+sysrq and then r e i s u b, then should I wait before any of those operations, or just quickly enter reisub?
[06:29] <OerHeks> 2 seconds in between
[06:31] <konrados> OK, OerHeks but - every single hit?
[06:31] <OerHeks> yes, r - 2sec - e - 2sec ..
[06:31] <konrados> am I supposed to first press alt+sysrq and 'r' and then release all the buttons?
[06:32] <konrados> and then 'e'?
[06:32] <OerHeks> no, keep thoe 2 pressed
[06:32] <OerHeks> c/those
[06:32] <konrados> I'll need to make some training here with my fingers :)
[06:32] <konrados> OerHeks, - thanks :)
[10:06] <lenny_lemon> what is base command for youtube-dl to download video in best quality?
[10:07] <EriC^^> lenny_lemon: it downloads the best by default
[10:10] <lenny_lemon> hi EriC^^ something like that: youtube-dl -x --format-video avi/mp4 <url>
[10:10] <lenny_lemon> depends if I want avi format or mp4 right
[10:12] <Ben64> no
[10:12] <lenny_lemon> i see... -x stands for extract
[10:12] <lenny_lemon> so use it if I want to extract audio from video...
[10:12] <Ben64> have you checked the man page
[10:13] <lenny_lemon> just checking it but bit confused
[10:14] <Ben64> like EriC^^ said, it downloads best by default
[10:15] <lenny_lemon> but if I want to control output format?
[10:15] <lenny_lemon> I want avi or mp4 for example
[10:15] <EriC^^> lenny_lemon: add "-f mp4"
[10:15] <Ben64> avi and mp4 are containers
[10:15] <lenny_lemon> youtube-dl -f mp3 <url>
[10:16] <lenny_lemon> Ben64, what does it mean?
[10:16] <Ben64> it's a box
[10:16] <Ben64> you can put whatever you want into the box
[10:16] <lenny_lemon> container = format ?
[10:16] <Ben64> no
[10:17] <Ben64> container is a box, it doesn't describe anything really
[10:17] <Ben64> you could have a box of tissues or a box of knives
[10:17] <EriC^^> lenny_lemon: if you specify -f mp4 , it will download best quality of mp4 found by default
 avi and mp4 are containers
[10:18] <EriC^^> it says so in the man page, for all versions post-2015 that's its behavior
[10:19] <Ben64> if you do just -F, it'll show you the available formats
[10:19] <lenny_lemon> yes, I tried it, i understand that what format
[10:19] <lenny_lemon> but I'm confused with that container
[10:19] <Ben64> for a random youtube video i chose, it has a bunch of mp4, webm, and one m4a
[10:20] <Ben64> varying codecs in each one and at different resolutions and bitrates
[10:20] <lenny_lemon> I want those formats because they're easy to play on mobile phone
[10:21] <lenny_lemon> don't need to install additional players to play other formats
[10:21] <Ben64> just do -f best and you'll be fine
[10:21] <lenny_lemon> thanks
[10:24] <lenny_lemon> every time I restart laptop have to do: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf > /dev/null
[10:24] <lenny_lemon> ubuntu 18.04
[10:24] <Ben64> ew
[10:24] <lenny_lemon> what does it cause this issue and how to permanently resolve it?
[10:25] <Ben64> set dns servers in the network manager
[10:28] <lenny_lemon> how can I do that?
[10:52] <max12345> hello everyone, my shutdown button doesn't work anymore, it's dropping me only to the login?
[10:52] <max12345> obviously there is still the switch on the hardware but... what is even happening
[10:59] <max12345> ok hm i rebooted and that fixed it but still...
[11:01] <brondif> when my pc gets too hot it does not poweroff
[11:01] <brondif> not even with terminal commands
[11:02] <brondif> else yes.
[11:11] <max12345> yabee only worked with 2.79 right.
[11:23] <tomreyn> max12345, brondif: you two should probably review (or share) your system logs of when the shutdown doesn't work, and maybe of a fresh boot, too (since that's where ACPI initializes which deals with power saving, shutdown, thermals)
[11:24] <tomreyn> also your ubuntu versions are yet unknown
[11:29] <max12345> tomreyn: where do I find this "system log", please?
[11:30] <max12345> os version is disco, kernel is 5.0.0-38
[11:30] <tomreyn> max12345: depends on your ubuntu release, but    journalctl    is the command which lets you access and manage systemd's journal.
[11:31] <tomreyn> disco, that's almost end of life, you should upgrade
[11:32] <max12345> i would but the upgrade function is broken
[11:32] <max12345> yes i already filed a bug report
[11:34] <max12345> I could check if anyone did anything with that report though.
[11:35] <tomreyn> max12345: post the bug report url also, and, for further diagnosis (won't change anything) the output of:    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[11:37] <max12345> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1858270
[11:40] <max12345> tomreyn: also what you wrote does execute in my terminal.
[11:40] <tomreyn> good, does it also produce a url?
[11:41] <max12345> does not *
[11:41] <max12345> do i have to use bash?
[11:41] <tomreyn> yes, in this form, you would
[11:41] <tomreyn> bash or dash
[11:41] <max12345> yep it does produce a url
[11:42] <max12345> https://termbin.com/ymfo
[11:43] <tomreyn> i'm not sure the steam repository is actually needed, is it compatible to 19.04, though?
[11:44] <max12345> tomreyn: it just works? idk
[11:44] <max12345> it's whatever valve set up.
[11:45] <sixwheeledbeast> from precise, i don't believe it's needed now
[11:45] <tomreyn> i see. on a 18.04 LTS system i have steam installed on there's no such repository configured, that's why i'm wondering.
[11:46] <tomreyn> there's apparently only the "precise" release in this repository, but some software developers do it this way for software meant to be compatible to multiple releases. so that's why i'm asking whether it's supposedly compatible.
[11:48] <sixwheeledbeast> I have seen that with dropbox for example yes. if steam is in the main repos now then it's surely unnecessary?
[11:49] <sixwheeledbeast> it gives an indication that the repo was added in 2012 was my point I suppose.
[11:51] <tomreyn> max12345: generally, your apt configuration seems to be ok. i suggest you run    do-release-upgrade -c    and post the output *in case there are any errors*
[11:51] <rommel> what kernel version is ubuntu 19.10 running
[11:51] <tomreyn> in a terminal, running bash
[11:51] <sixwheeledbeast> 5.3 IIRC
[11:52] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic eoan
[11:52] <rommel> ok... 5.4 has a sound bug in the kernel
[11:53] <osse> I've made a new .desktop file that launches a program with some arguments. But when I use it from the launcher it's recognized as if I used the original .desktop file, so I can't make it a favorite properly. How are .desktop files identified?
[11:53] <osse> I've only seen it happen with this particular program (the Kitty terminal emulator)
[11:54] <EriC^^> osse: did you change the NAME= and other stuff of the .desktop?
[11:55] <EriC^^> osse: are you sure you're dragging in/adding the right .desktop file?
[11:55] <max12345> tomreyn: seems to work. so the issue is the shell?
[11:58] <osse> EriC^^: In addition to the name of the .desktop file itself I changed the "Name=" and the "Exec=" lines. I didn't know I could drag them from the launcher to the sidebar! When I do I get MyKitty there, but when I click it the original appears as a separate icon
[12:00] <EriC^^> osse: i see, can you pastebin the desktop files for both?
[12:00] <osse> EriC^^: sure
[12:00] <ravustaja> okay. So I installed Ubuntu first on sda4_crypt and divided it into 3 encrypted parts for swap, ubuntu and kali. After that I installed Windows 10. Now when I boot the system I need to manually choose from BIOS if I want to start Ubuntu or Windows. Windows doesnt appear on the grub menu. I know I should have done it the other way around, first installing Windows, but is there anyway to fix it now that
[12:00] <ravustaja> the situation is this?
[12:01] <ravustaja> I want unencrypted Windows to appear on the Grub list
[12:03] <osse> EriC^^: https://imgur.com/a/6UYR3B7
[12:03] <osse> posting the files in a sec
[12:03] <rommel> ravustaja, so os-prober and grub-udate arent seeing win10?
[12:05] <ravustaja> sry for the dumb questions, but how do I check it?
[12:05] <osse> EriC^^: /usr/share/applications/kitty.desktop: http://sprunge.us/388Q5T
[12:05] <osse> EriC^^: ~/.local/share/applications/kitty.desktop: http://sprunge.us/cXTGpX
[12:06] <osse> oh no
[12:07] <osse> disregard the second one.  ~/.local/share/applications/mykitty.desktop: http://sprunge.us/URXAnu
[12:07] <osse> I deleted ~/.local/share/applications/kitty.desktop
[12:09] <EriC^^> osse: thanks
[12:09] <rommel> ravustaja, sudo update-grub
[12:09] <osse> Do changes to .desktop files take effect immediately?
[12:10] <ravustaja> sry for the dumb questions, but how do I check it?
[12:10] <ravustaja> [1~[1~romm    [1~[1~
[12:10] <ravustaja> yea I did that
[12:10] <ravustaja> it did not work
[12:10] <ravustaja> during boot when I spam esc, there
[12:10] <ravustaja> 's an option "Boot device" etc, where I can see the both loaders: Windows in the top, then EFI file and linux bottom
[12:12] <osse> EriC^^: holy hell, I think I made it work. I added --class MyKitty and now it's properly identified.'
[12:12] <EriC^^> osse: great!
[12:12] <osse> it sets the WM_CLASS property
[12:12] <EriC^^> i see
[12:16] <rommel> ravustaja, well start here maybe, a bit old but probably still relavent. https://askubuntu.com/questions/661947/add-windows-10-to-grub-os-list
[12:38] <max12345> hm. the upgrade didn't play nice with grub...
[12:39] <EriC^^> max12345: how so?
[12:40] <max12345> EriC^^: a "grub_file_filters" was not found
[12:40] <max12345> to be fair though, it asked if I wanted to keep the old config file
[12:40] <max12345> and I selected yes because I had it so it would save the last booted choice as default for the next time
[12:41] <max12345> anyway now I'm in grub rescue mode.
[12:41] <EriC^^> max12345: aha, what happens if you type "insmod normal" then "normal" ?
[12:42] <max12345> gives me the same error after insmod normal
[12:42] <max12345> "grub_file_filters" not found
[12:42] <EriC^^> max12345: do you have a live usb you can boot?
[12:42] <max12345> I do
[12:42] <EriC^^> max12345: ah great, boot it up
[12:44] <max12345> EriC^^: ok it's booting... what will be my next steps?
[12:45] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo parted -ls" in a terminal, identify which partition is the root partition of your install and type "sudo mount /dev/sdxY /mnt" replacing sdxY
[12:47] <max12345> ok, but I think it's already mounted?
[12:48] <max12345> does that rename it?
[12:48] <EriC^^> max12345: it mounts it there
[12:48] <EriC^^> max12345: does "ls /mnt" show you a typical root filesystem?
[12:48] <max12345> no it shows nothing...
[12:49] <EriC^^> max12345: hmm, do you have internet connection on the pc?
[12:49] <max12345> yep. Also I tried your thing it's giving me an error because it's busy
[12:50] <max12345> or already mounted.
[12:50] <EriC^^> max12345: what was the command you used? which sdxY ?
[12:50] <max12345> sdb
[12:50] <EriC^^> just sdb?
[12:51] <max12345> i mean, no full path was /dev/sdb
[12:51] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here, it'll make a pastebin for you of the output
[12:52] <max12345> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/rlsk
[12:53] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt"
[12:53] <max12345> ok
[12:53] <max12345> no error.
[12:54] <EriC^^> max12345: type the following word for word
[12:55] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done
[12:55] <EriC^^> note that's an i (eye) not an L
[12:55] <max12345> ok.
[12:56] <max12345> ok I did that.
[12:57] <EriC^^> max12345: no errors nothing?
[12:57] <max12345> EriC^^: no errors, nothing.
[12:57] <ravustaja> rommel,thx for the link. I'll try it out a little later.Had to leave home for a while
[12:57] <EriC^^> max12345: type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[12:58] <max12345> EriC^^: ok. done.
[12:59] <EriC^^> max12345: type "grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb"
[12:59] <max12345> EriC^^: ok done, no errors reported.
[12:59] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "update-grub"
[13:00] <max12345> ok, done.
[13:01] <EriC^^> max12345: might as well reinstall the grub package itself, just in case, type "apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc grub-common grub2-common"
[13:02] <max12345> there were two install warnings, two sectors were in use.
[13:02] <EriC^^> flexnet?
[13:02] <max12345> yep
[13:02] <EriC^^> which sectors?
[13:02] <max12345> 33 and 32
[13:04] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=63 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:05] <EriC^^> max12345: that should back up the first 63 sectors (non actual data), so you can zap sector 32 and 33 to remove flexnet
[13:06] <max12345> EriC^^: ok https://termbin.com/w85f
[13:06] <EriC^^> max12345: actually nevermind, it looks like we cant use termbin for that
[13:07] <max12345> thank you for your help btw
[13:07] <EriC^^> no problem
[13:08] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/mbrbackup bs=512 count=63"
[13:09] <max12345> EriC^^: ok done.
[13:09] <EriC^^> max12345: if it ever gives you any errors etc let me know ok?
[13:09] <max12345> yep, no errors here
[13:09] <EriC^^> max12345: lastly type "sudo parted /dev/sdb unit s print | nc termbin.com 9999" to backup the partition table
[13:10] <max12345> ok, https://termbin.com/g7u0
[13:11] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, type "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=2 seek=32"
[13:12] <EriC^^> that should zero out sectors 32 and 33
[13:12] <EriC^^> max12345: be very mindful in that command cause a mistake could seriously cause data loss
[13:12] <EriC^^> if you're not sure of a letter etc, ask and go over it before hitting enter
[13:13] <max12345> ok, I have it.
[13:13] <max12345> what is this flexnet anyway...
[13:14] <EriC^^> max12345: done?
[13:14] <max12345> yep
[13:14] <EriC^^> max12345: it's something some software installs so that a bootloader can't install, like an anti-tampering measure i guess
[13:14] <max12345> hm.
[13:14] <EriC^^> max12345: ok, run "apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc grub-common grub2-common" again, hopefully no sector errors this time
[13:15] <max12345> EriC^^: same warnings unfortunately.
[13:16] <max12345> still 32 and 33 as well.
[13:16] <EriC^^> odd, anyways it still might work, type "exit" then reboot the live usb and try booting into the main install
[13:16] <max12345> ok...
[13:16] <EriC^^> remember to set the boot priority in the bios to the sdb disk
[13:18] <max12345> EriC^^: alright! everything works
[13:18] <max12345> uh wait
[13:19] <max12345> my user is gone?
[13:19] <max12345> ah no
[13:19] <max12345> it's just a different log in screen
[13:19] <EriC^^> max12345: ah cool, great!
[13:20] <max12345> yep, and I am on 19.10 as intended.
[13:20] <max12345> perfect.
[13:22] <max12345> something I've wondered about is, is there some kind of tool that would record my broken state and the tools taken to fix it?
[13:23] <max12345> obviously it was some work for you to help me and it would be way faster if there was a problem that would troubleshoot known problems.
[13:23] <max12345> *a tool
[13:23] <EriC^^> max12345: for grub there's a program called boot-repair, it often works sometimes it doesn't
[13:24] <max12345> ok but i assume that would be for grub stuff only?
[13:24] <max12345> there isn't some general tool that would figure out why it "works on my machine"
[13:24] <EriC^^> yeah it's mainly for booting issues, there isn't a universal troubleshooting tool afaik
[13:31] <SASDOE_> Hey all. I did an oopsie and delete a partition within an lvm group and now I can mount the lvm group. The partition I want inside the lvm spans three disks and the one I deleted I no longer care for. But without it, i cannot seem to mount the other partition. I am extremely confused by this whole lvm thing too..
[13:32] <SASDOE_> cannot mount*
[13:32] <SASDOE_> http://dpaste.com/2SQ5QCW
[13:33] <SASDOE_> http://dpaste.com/2Z0B9HC (vgchange -ay)
[13:34] <SASDOE_> Is there any hope that I might ignore the missing device (as I don't care for it's contents) and fix the lvm group
[13:34] <SASDOE_> (as in remove the disk that's missing from the group)
[13:36] <SASDOE_> oh looks like it was super easy with vgreduce --removemissing
[13:37] <SASDOE_> But now when I use vgchange -ay it still says 0 logical volumes
[13:47] <SASDOE_> fuck it it's old data i'll survive
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:41] <xbfrog> good morning
[15:17] <rkta> During former installs of ubuntu I could get a console by pressing Alt+F2, this is now jumping through the menu. How do I get a console?
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> !tty | rkta
[15:18] <TJ-> rkta: in GUI it needs Ctrl+Alt ... in the tty's just Alt
[15:18] <rkta> I'm installing, I don't have a GUI
[15:19] <rkta> Minimal installer
[15:19] <TJ-> rkta: is that using debian-installer or something else?
[15:20] <rkta> TJ-: Not sure, but could be the debian installer. It the only know and only used debian and ubuntu. It's the same one I used 15 years ago
[15:22] <TJ-> rkta: text mode user interface ?
[15:22] <rkta> TJ-: https://www.circuidipity.com/img/full-disk-encryption-ubuntu/067.png
[15:23] <rkta> TJ-: This is a screenshot (but not by me)
[15:24] <TJ-> rkta: yes, that's the debian-installer as used in the ubuntu-server ISO
[15:24] <rkta> Ok, will try to remember this :)
[15:24] <TJ-> rkta: as far as I recall that has never supported alternate TTYs. It runs on a single TTY and to get a shell requires dropping back to the menu and selecting the root shell option near te end of the menu list
[15:25] <TJ-> rkta: I was using that this week installing 20.04 server images
[15:27] <rkta> TJ-: Will use that then, thanks
[15:27] <rkta> It uses nano...
[15:31] <emi71> Hello.  I try to install simple scan in this manner: sudo apt-get updatesudo apt-get install simple-scan. this is the trouble i posted in pastebin. I've trouble with libsane dependency. https://justpaste.it/3ci9z
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> emi71: dependency issues we often see arise by adding external ppa's to your system
[15:33] <emi71> lotuspsychje: can you help me? I'm a linux beginner. I don't know what is external ppa
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> emi71: external ppa's are added to your system by installing software from outside the ubuntu repos, in your case skype, chrome, inameiname etc
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> emi71: when the user installs the software, it injects their source into your system sources.list and conflicts
[15:36] <emi71> lotuspsychje: ok thanks. this means that if I want install a package that isn't present in official repo, I can't install it?
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> emi71: we often advice to install packages from the official ubuntu repos to keep your system healthy, but there are workarounds for many cases, like choosing snaps, or chromium in your case, or trusted ppa's
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> !sources | emi71
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> emi71: try to revert your sources back to the ubuntu default ones, and sudo apt update and see if you can fix your dependency issue
[15:41] <emi71> lotuspsychje: ok, how I can revert my sources back to the ubuntu default ones?
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | emi71
[15:44] <emi71> lotuspsychje: ok thanks. how I can watch the list of my ppa to revert?
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> emi71: etc/apt/sources.list or sources.list.d
[15:49] <emi71> ok, cat /etc/apt/sources.list , done
[15:50] <TJ-> emi71: what does this report? "apt-cache policy simple-scan libsane"
[15:53] <emi71> TJ-: https://justpaste.it/2vgir
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> !info simple-scan xenial
[15:55] <TJ-> emi71: that looks to be correct; try "sudo apt-get install --fix-broken"
[15:56] <emi71> TJ-: done, without errors
[15:56] <TJ-> emi71: now retry "sudo apt-get install simple-scan"
[15:58] <emi71> TJ-: https://justpaste.it/7ovmz
[15:59] <ioria> emi71,  apt -s install --reinstall libsane=1.0.25+git20150528-1ubuntu2.16.04.1
[16:01] <TJ-> that's weird;
[16:02] <ioria> a bug probably + ppa issue
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> i had simple-scan issues once on bionic too
[16:02] <emi71> ioria: https://justpaste.it/64tv2
[16:03] <ioria> emi71,  apt -s install --reinstall   libsane-common=1.0.25+git20150528-1ubuntu2.16.04.1
[16:04] <emi71> ioria: done, but this is the result: https://justpaste.it/64tv2
[16:04] <TJ-> emi71: can you show is "apt-cache policy  libsane-common "
[16:06] <emi71> ioria: excuse me, libsane common command is good
[16:06] <ioria> emi71, ha
[16:06] <emi71> ioria: now I doing sudo apt......?
[16:06] <ioria> TJ-, what you say ... we go on forcing the version ?
[16:07] <ioria> emi71, wait
[16:07] <TJ-> ioria: emi71  I think we need to discover where that later libsane-common comes from first
[16:07] <TJ-> emi71: can you show is "apt-cache policy  libsane-common "
[16:07] <ioria> emi71,   ^
[16:09] <emi71> TJ-, ioria : ok done. https://justpaste.it/4no0f
[16:09] <TJ-> possibly relate to Bug #1707666  ?
[16:09] <ioria> emi71,   it's wrong
[16:09] <ioria> emi71,   you have 1.0.27 but the xenial version is 25
[16:10] <ioria> 1.0.25+git20150528-1ubuntu2.16.04.1 i mean
[16:10] <ioria> emi71,   you nned to remove that version, but it will probably break another app
[16:10] <ioria> *need
[16:12] <TJ-> ioria: emi71  I suspect the manufacturer's drivers for some scanner/MFP installed a newer version then the PPA for that was removed
[16:12] <ioria> TJ-, right
[16:12] <ioria> brb
[16:13] <TJ-> emi71: show us "dpkg -l '*1.0.27+git20170819-xenial0*' "
[16:13] <TJ-> emi71: that may not report anything though, I think I have that wrong!
[16:13] <TJ-> emi71: try this instead:
[16:14] <TJ-> emi71: show us "dpkg -l | grep '*1.0.27+git20170819-xenial0*' "
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ioria maybe that scan software from https://launchpad.net/~inameiname/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[16:14] <TJ-> emi71: actualy this! show us "dpkg -l | grep '1.0.27+git20170819-xenial0' "
[16:14] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I already searched that one; there is no libsane-common in there
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[16:15] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: and apt-cache policy would show it since that PPA is still in sources.list
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> agree
[16:15] <TJ-> I'm betting emi71 has been trying to get an MFP working and installed many different packages from various sources
[16:16] <emi71> TJ-: time ago I had canon mfp, now I've brother MFP.....no results for the command dpkg.....
[16:16] <TJ-> emi71: hmph!
[16:17] <TJ-> emi71: try this: "sudo apt purge libsane-common=1.0.27+git20170819-xenial0"
[16:17] <TJ-> emi71: or maybe on Xenial you'll need "apt-get" not just "apt" in there
[16:18] <emi71> TJ-: done ok. this is the result without errors: https://justpaste.it/264pc
[16:19] <TJ-> emi71: now try the original "sudo apt-get install simple-scan"
[16:20] <emi71> tj: done, no errors !
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> uff
[16:20] <TJ-> emi71: at last :)
[16:21] <TJ-> I wish my problems were so easily solvable!
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:22] <emi71> tj: but simple scan tell me "no scanner detected"
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> emi71: you might need a reboot/recconnect your printer/scanner
[16:25] <emi71> lotuspsychje: I think I haven't installed the scanner driver, but I'm not sure
[16:26] <emi71> Brother MFC-J491DW
[16:27] <EriC^^> emi71: it's plugged in via usb?
[16:27] <emi71> EriC^^: no, network
[16:28] <emi71> TJ, lotuspsy, thanks a lot
[16:29] <TJ-> emi71: is the MFC advertising itself? do "avahi-browse -art" and see if you can find any responses from the MFC
[16:30] <ioria> emi71, the Brother usually has separate pkg  for the scanner... iirc
[16:31] <ioria> and for some reason puts the libs in  /usr/lib64
[16:31] <ioria>  
[16:31] <emi71> TJ-: done, this is the result : https://justpaste.it/5s0sz
[16:32] <TJ-> emi71: that looks good, it is advertising itself. So yes, looks like you need to ensure the driver(s) are correctly installed
[16:33] <ioria> emi71, do you have this directory :  /usr/lib64
[16:35] <emi71> ioria: excuse me how I can look it?
[16:35] <ioria> oh my; ls /usr/lib64
[16:36] <emi71> ioria: excuse me, yes and have "sane" directory
[16:36] <ioria> emi71,  ls /usr/lib64 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:37] <ioria> emi71,  it will give you un url ; paste it here
[16:38] <emi71> ioria: https://termbin.com/37uh
[16:38] <ioria> emi71, sorry ;   ls -R /usr/lib64 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:39] <emi71> ioria: https://termbin.com/z5fk
[16:40] <ioria> emi71, the point is that ubuntu  expects them in /usr/lib not in /usr/lib64 (that by default does not even exist)
[16:40] <ioria> emi71, so you should link them to /usr/lib
[16:41] <emi71> ioria: brother driver bug, then?
[16:42] <ioria> emi71, ther is not only ubuntu on the scene :þ
[16:43] <emi71> ioria: ok, debian have lib64 directory?
[16:44] <ioria> emi71,  i don't remember; what packages exctly did you download from the Brother website ?
[16:45] <ioria> emi71,  i ask you this because the scanner libs are named 'libbrscandec' and you don't have any in that folder
[16:46] <emi71> ioria: https://www.brother.it/support/mfc-j491dw/downloads, debian 64 package "scanner driver"
[16:48] <ioria> emi71,  have you downloaded this pkg : linux-brprinter-installer-2.2.1-1.gz
[16:50] <emi71> ioria: no this is for the printer side. for the scanner side is brscan4-0.4.8-1.amd64.deb
[16:50] <ioria> ok
[16:51] <emi71> ioria: the printer side, is already ok
[16:51] <ioria> good
[16:51] <ioria> emi71,  ls /usr/lib/sane
[16:52] <emi71> ioria: folder "sane" is not present
[16:52] <ioria> emi71,  ok;  sudo mkdir -p /usr/lib/sane
[16:53] <emi71> ioria: ok done
[16:53] <ioria> emi71,   sudo ln -sf /usr/lib64/sane/libsane-brother*.so* /usr/lib/sane
[16:54] <emi71> ioria: done, ok
[16:54] <ioria> emi71,    sudo usermod -a -G scanner <my_user>
[16:54] <ioria> where my_user is your user
[16:56] <emi71> ioria: syntax error
[16:56] <ioria> emi71,    what 's the cmd you issued ?
[16:57] <TJ-> or simply "sudo adduser $USER scanner"
[16:57] <ioria> yeah, also
[16:57] <ioria> was curious
[16:57] <emi71> sudo usermod -a -G scanner <emiliano> (emiliano is my user)
[16:57] <ioria> without the <>
[16:58] <emi71> ok
[16:58] <emi71> ioria: ok done without the <>
[16:58] <ioria> no errors , right ?
[16:59] <emi71> ioria: yes , ok
[16:59] <ioria> emi71,   well, cross fingers and reboot
[16:59] <emi71> ioria: lol cross fingers :D
[17:00] <emi71> ioria: thanks , I return later
[17:00] <ioria> ok
[17:01] <TJ-> Useful to use "newgrp" for testing such things without needing to log-out
[17:03] <emi71> ioria: don't work. scanner not recognized
[17:04] <ioria> emi71,  try with sudo : sudo simple-scan
[17:07] <emi71> ioria: with sudo application hung
[17:07] <TJ-> emi71: If I recall correctly sometimes you need to use the main 'xsane' program to initially discover some network scanners
[17:07] <ioria> emi71,  ctrl+c
[17:08] <emi71> ioria: done
[17:08] <ioria> emi71,  simple-scan
[17:08] <ducasse> isn't there a script to detect scanners, sane-detect-scanners or something?
[17:08] <emi71> ioria: what?
[17:09] <ioria> emi71,  rerun the cmd
[17:10] <emi71> ioria: scanner not recognized
[17:11] <ioria> emi71,  dpkg -l | grep -i Brother
[17:13] <emi71> ok done. https://justpaste.it/63nik
[17:14] <ioria> emi71,  dpkg -L brscan4  | nc termbin.vom 9999
[17:14] <ioria> brb
[17:15] <sami4ak> Ubuntu Bionic with Armbian Linux 4.19.62-sunxi
[17:15] <emi71> ioria: https://termbin.com/rxbl
[17:19] <ScaredySquirrel> ok so I want to know how to authorize users to use gnome disks and how to update And install software without typing the root password for users in the sudo and admin groups. I have my sudo set to use NOPASSWD for no passwords
[17:20] <EriC^> emi71: try launching the program "printer" from the menu/dash
[17:20] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: for gnome-disks I'd guess it'd need an apparmor policy, or add the users to a group the gnome-disks policy already allows
[17:21] <ioria> emi71,  brsaneconfig4 -a name=(name your device) model=(model name) ip=xx.xx.xx.xx
[17:22] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: isn't it with polkit?
[17:23] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: ah yeah, mistype there! was thinking PolKit but typed Apparmor!
[17:23] <emi71> ioria: done without errors
[17:24] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: I know it uses polkit but how?
[17:25] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: usually the polkit files are included in each package, so what I usually do is "dpkg -L $PACKAGE | grep 'conf$'
[17:26] <ioria> emi71, brsaneconfig4 -q | grep (name of your device)
[17:26] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: then look at the .conf file(s) to see which groups are authorised for various operations
[17:27] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: what is the software updater package? its for gtk environments
[17:29] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: not sure, possibly software-center or gnome-software? I don't use Gnome so not sure
[17:29] <ScaredySquirrel> the ubuntu unity thingy is basically gnome
[17:32] <ioria> emi71, then, if it returns something, try  simple-scan again . brb
[17:33] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: dpkg -L update-manger
[17:33] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: dpkg -L update-manager
[17:33] <ScaredySquirrel> I find nothing related to polkit in there
[17:34] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: that probably uses DBus to talk to the back-end
[17:35] <emi71> ioria: done ok. no scanner detected
[17:38] <i7ch> hello people. currently running on 18.04 with XFCE4 and i'
[17:38] <i7ch> i'm trying to set up my audio devices.
[17:39] <i7ch> i have the speakers connected to back audio out (2.0) and the headphones/ mic connected in front (mic / headphones)
[17:39] <i7ch> is there any way i can toggle which of the outputs (back / front) is used at any one time?
[17:40] <i7ch> like, either have the sound in headphones or in speakers, without disconnecting either of them
[17:41] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: so I have to reconfigure dbus too?
[17:41] <ScaredySquirrel> i thought dbus was for update-manager to communicate with polkit
[17:42] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: I'm not sure. for updating you could use "unattended-upgrades" to relieve users of the job
[17:42] <EriC^> i7ch: there should be a list of devices under output in sound settings
[17:43] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: dbus is used to talk to the backend apt-daemon that runs with elevated priveleges
[17:43] <i7ch> EriC^, yes, there is. thing is, when i connect the headphones in front panel, under output devices the "Line out" (which is back panel) shows up as disconnected
[17:44] <i7ch> and I don't want to plug / unplug headphones each time, i just want to toggle them from volume controller
[17:45] <TJ-> i7ch: that may be a 'feature' of the audio chipset
[17:46] <giaco> hello. I've stopped & disabled systemd-resolve as I want to use port 53 for pihole, but host dns resolution on host is not working as it tries to query 127.0.0.53. How can I set dns in ubuntu 18.04 when system-resolve is disabled?
[17:46] <i7ch> TJ-, used to work on 16.04 just tine
[17:46] <i7ch> and it does work under win10
[17:46] <i7ch> i'm fairly sure there must be some congfig stuff that I need to do
[17:47] <EriC^> i7ch: does anything show up in pavucontrol ? might need to install it first
[17:47] <TJ-> i7ch: that's a good way to prove that :)
[17:48] <TJ-> i7ch: I suspect it's an internal PulseAudio option possibly via a config file. It sounds vaguely familiar
[17:48] <giaco> solved by editing /etc/resolv.conf
[17:49] <i7ch> EriC^, in pavucontrol, under OutputDevices i can see "Line Out" (back panel) and "Headphones" (front panel). as soon as i connect the headphones, Line Out shows as "disconnected"
[17:49] <TJ-> i7ch: the usual cause is the PA config entry "load-module module-switch-on-port-available"
[17:49] <TJ-> i7ch: if your system has that, remove it
[17:50] <i7ch> also, in alsamixer there's a toggle "automute" toggle. but if I set it to off, then BOTH back and front panel have sound as the same time
[17:50] <i7ch> TJ-, sure. lemme try that
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> emi71: wich scanner/printer model is this anyway?
[17:51] <TJ-> i7ch: e.g. I find: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qz8Mp4zNR8/
[17:52] <emi71> lotuspsychje: Brother MFC-J491DW
[17:52] <i7ch> TJ-, mine looks like: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m2Sv4mGwgR/
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> emi71: did you install the brother drivers?
[17:54] <i7ch> which seems to be identical with what you have
[17:54] <ScaredySquirrel> http://dpaste.com/051MTKJ
[17:54] <TJ-> i7ch: so try commenting out line 33
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> !who | ScaredySquirrel
[17:55] <TJ-> i7ch: and restarting the PA daemon
[17:55] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: http://dpaste.com/051MTKJ
[17:55] <ScaredySquirrel> update-manager just crashes everytime is my problem
[17:56] <ScaredySquirrel> and the gnome user accounts tool just asks for a password when I press Unlock
[17:56] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: I've not touched Gnome in over 10 years so can't help you on that
[17:57] <ScaredySquirrel> TJ-: what would you otherwise be using?
[17:57] <TJ-> i7ch: "systemctl --user restart pulseaudio.service"
[17:57] <ScaredySquirrel> I would love KDE but I think I'm on the wrong ubuntu
[17:57] <ScaredySquirrel> it's the 20.04 LTS thing
[17:57] <ScaredySquirrel> so I think it's actually behind the 19.08 one
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> ScaredySquirrel: 20.04 support in #ubuntu+1
[17:58] <TJ-> ScaredySquirrel: I use Xubuntu or -server
[17:58] <ScaredySquirrel> is 20.04 behind in software vs 19.08?
[17:58] <ScaredySquirrel> I mean 19.10
[17:59] <TJ-> 20.04 isn't due to be released until late April, it is in development
[17:59] <i7ch> erm. PA went to sh*t
[17:59] <ScaredySquirrel> mhm i know i'm wondering what the differences are in package versions right now
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > ScaredySquirrel
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> ScaredySquirrel: useraccounts is suppose to ask unlock with admin pass by default
[18:01] <i7ch> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VKhKp7KSYn/
[18:01] <i7ch> seems like i made a bubu :P
[18:02] <TJ-> i7ch: it seems whatever change you made isn't liked
[18:02] <i7ch> mhm. tried uncommenting and restart PA. same deal
[18:02] <i7ch> so that's not it
[18:03] <i7ch> i could do a reboot of the machine though
[18:03] <ScaredySquirrel> lotuspsychje: http://dpaste.com/2CK3Z6M
[18:03] <ScaredySquirrel> tails@tails-Inspiron-3582:~$ id -Gn|grep -oe '\<sudo\>'
[18:03] <ScaredySquirrel> sudo
[18:04] <TJ-> i7ch: is another PA process still running? "ps -efly | grep pulse"
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> ScaredySquirrel: are you on tails or ubuntu?
[18:05] <TJ-> i7ch: try "systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.service" and then check no PA processes are running with "ps -efly | grep pulse"
[18:06] <ScaredySquirrel> lotuspsychje: ubuntu
[18:06] <ScaredySquirrel> tails@tails-Inspiron-3582:~$ cat /etc/os-release
[18:06] <ScaredySquirrel> NAME="Ubuntu"
[18:06] <ScaredySquirrel> VERSION="20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> ScaredySquirrel: join #ubuntu+1 please
[18:07] <i7ch> TJ-, got PA running, but no cigar
[18:07] <i7ch> it behaves exactly the same
[18:12] <i7ch> yup, restarted the PC and same behavior
[18:14] <ckopn> Hi People. I didn't pay for internet and instead of site i got banner with paying option. Then I paid. Now I can open only https sites, all other http urls shows paying banner.  I cleaned all caches. It hasn't helped.  But what is most important, I've lost ability to use apt !!!
[18:15] <ckopn> does't apt use tsl?
[18:16] <mouses> ckopn: Reboot the local ISP router yet?
[18:17] <mouses> You also may need to flush DNS cache on the ubuntu machine
[18:18] <ckopn> Thank you.  I will try and be back and say the result.
[18:18] <rkta> TJ-: JFYI, installer has multiple TTYs. My problem was, that the new laptop uses media keys on F2 etc by default and I had to switch it with Fn
[18:27] <TJ-> rkta: hmmm, it doesn't on ubuntu-server ... I did try :)
[18:33] <ckopn> Router rebooting hasn't helped
[18:35] <ckopn> I tried sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches  , it hasn't helped too
[18:37] <TJ-> ckopn: if there's a transparent proxy intercepting your HTTP port 80 requests there's not a lot you can do. Presumably by 'paying' that is supposed to allow your device through
[18:37] <compdoc> ckopn, sounds like you paid for use of your browser, and maybe not a full internet connection. Ive never see that before
[18:38] <OerHeks> apt over https is possible
[18:39] <OerHeks> !info apt-transport-https
[18:42] <ckopn> other people who using same wifi and windows don't  complain
[18:44] <iq> Hello, Anyone running Ubuntu in Docker? I'm trying to persist the settings especially users/passwords. Most of the documentation point toward running Docker in Ubundu and not running Ubuntu in Docker. Normally we use Dockers volume for persistance. How do I persist the user settings or /etc directory?
[18:44] <ckopn> I have strange nslookup output
[18:45] <ckopn> Server:		127.0.0.53
[18:45] <ckopn> Non-authoritative answer:Name:	yandex.ruAddress: 5.255.255.77
[18:46] <OerHeks> russian DNS< nothing weird about 127.0.0.53
[18:47] <ckopn> why do i get this lb interface up?
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> ckopn: That is the loopback interface ... allowing intersystem communication over the 127.0.0.X address space that is only available inside your machine
[18:48] <ckopn> yes , I know it, but i don't understand why nslookup gives it to me
[18:49] <ckopn> "Non-authoritative answer " is right one
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> ckopn: All operating systems cache their recent DNS requests, to speed up follow up requests for the same information. In Ubuntu, systemd-resolved activates a server on 127.0.0.53 so that all local applications can use a known DNS server
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> ckopn: systemd-resolved then takes care of the actual DNS request to the ISP
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> ckopn: Since you have already cleared the DNS cache on your system, as well as reboot the modem, I believe the next step is to contact the provider of the service
[18:52] <ShutemDown> Hello All,  I need to use two different versions of Java on my machine, but not necessarily at the same time.  What would be the best way to do this other than manually changing my java version each time?  Should I use a different user?
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> ShutemDown: You can set the environment variable $JAVA_HOME to point to the path of the Java version you need for the your terminal session.
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> that may have limited impact though
[18:55] <rkta> TJ-: I tried to, maybe I then I don't have the server installer. File is mini.iso. Whatever, just wanted you to know, that Function keys not being function keys can be the problem
[18:55] <ShutemDown>  have two applications that both use different versions of Java.
[18:56] <ShutemDown> I
[18:56] <happyamos> I installed Visual Studio via snap "snap install code", but it doesn't run, no error messages, nothing. Any tips or troubleshooting ideas? I run "snap run code" and get nothing.
[18:57] <TJ-> rkta: that's a subtle 'gotchya'
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> ShutemDown: THis should help: https://askubuntu.com/a/422099
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> happyamos: the official support is at: contact:   https://twitter.com/code
[18:59] <ShutemDown> sorry brb
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> happyamos: Personally, I chose to install the Visual Studio Code via the PPA method mentioned in this article: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux
[18:59] <ckopn> pragmaticenigma, but the second result for nslookup is fine. I guess the problem is mine
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> ckopn: I don't understand what you mean
[19:00] <ShutemDown> I've seen that link. I'm not sure how it helps my specific question though.
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> ShutemDown: WHen you set the environement variable JAVA_HOME to the path of the java version you want.. .when you execute java, it will look at that variable and then look at that path to run
[19:04] <ShutemDown> So when I run VMware, it will automatically run version 11, and when I run another piece of  software, it will run version 8?
[19:06] <ckopn> pragmaticenigma sorry i mislead you. I don't understand why windows users don't suffer from this.
[19:07] <OerHeks> ckopn, windows users standard use https, apt does not
[19:07] <OerHeks> but i gave you the fix, apt transport https
[19:08] <ckopn> OerHeks thanks, i will try to use https for apt.
[19:11] <ShutemDown> If I'm not mistaken the env variable just tells java what version to use.  It doesn't say use version x for this app, and use version y for another app.
[19:11] <ShutemDown> Am I missing something?
[19:13] <OerHeks> we do not expect you to have 2 different java 8 version on your system ..
[19:13] <OerHeks> or 2 java 11/12/13
[19:13] <ShutemDown> ok nevermind
[19:14] <ShutemDown> language barrier or something
[19:21] <Bushmaster> hi folks
[19:21] <Bushmaster> i am interested to know is it possible to see binary
[19:22] <Bushmaster> i am interested to know is it possible to see binary
[19:23] <konrados> Bushmaster, `xxd -b file`
[19:23] <konrados> ?
[19:24] <Bushmaster> konrados, can you explain a bit please
[19:26] <ScaredySquirrel> does wikipedia really accurately explain the affects of adenosine on the human body and what blocking some of it does?
[19:26] <ScaredySquirrel> e.g. google say drink some caffeine and less adenosine
[19:26] <konrados> Bushmaster, not really because I'm not sure what the question is. If you want to view a file,  in hex format, or any other, like this: https://i.imgur.com/JFpLFKq.png - then xxd -b *path to your file*
[19:26] <ScaredySquirrel> i wish we could discuss this so where to go?
[19:26] <konrados> Bushmaster, also see `man xxd` to see other options
[19:28] <OerHeks> ScaredySquirrel, this is ubuntu support, find an offtopic channel, thanks
[19:29] <ioria> i think you wants an objdump of the binary , maybe ? Bushmaster
[19:41] <Bushmaster> konrados,  and ioria  what I understood is all high level language that we write as simple english codes gets transferred as assemmbly language which is binary digits as far i undersootd hence for example if somebody write bunch of numbers lets say 124589076889, can I not transfer / convert it into binary digit
[19:42] <konrados> sorry I don't understand, Bushmaster. Did you see `man xxd`?
[19:44] <konrados> Bushmaster, open your terminal, enter "man xxd" (without quotes) and press enter
[19:46] <Bushmaster> konrados,
[19:47] <ckopn> I changed http for https  in sources.list and got errors about certificates
[19:48] <konrados> Bushmaster,
[19:49] <ckopn> how to avoid using 80 port? use proxy?
[19:57] <emi71> Hello. how I can watch hostname of network mfc, with terminal command?
[19:58] <ioria> emi71,  i tested an old mfc-260 and you need the all  linux-brprinter-installer bundle and not only the brscan pkg
[19:59] <ioria> emi71,  as i told you before you missed the libbrscandec libs
[20:00] <emi71> ioria: ok but I haven't understand how solve the problem
[20:01] <ioria> emi71,  first you need the usb cable (yes, also if you want to use it via NT) , then you install the linux-brprinter-installer , then you link again the libbrscandec to /usr/lib/sne
[20:04] <ioria> emi71,  what's your exact model ?
[20:09] <emi71> ioria: Brother MFC-J491DW
[20:09] <emi71> ioria: but my printer side works....
[20:10] <ioria> emi71,  https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=it&lang=it&prod=mfcj491dw_us_eu_as&os=128&flang=English
[20:10] <ioria> emi71,  and download the 'Driver Install Tool'
[20:11] <emi71> ioria: I've already used this driver, and all works. I don't know the reason suddenly scanner side don't works. I'm not sure also about exact hostname of the MFC
[20:12] <ioria> emi71,  i think because you don't have the libbrscandec libs;   sudo updatedb && locate libbrscandec
[20:13] <emi71> sudo updatedb && locate libbrscandec ?
[20:13] <ioria> yes
[20:14] <emi71> ioria: done, without messages or errors
[20:15] <ioria> and you get nothing, right ?
[20:15] <emi71> nothing, exactly
[20:15] <davido_> I was here yesterday trying to understand why do-release-upgrade on an 18.04LTS system doesn't work despite setting the notification level to 'normal'.  The issue looks like this: https://pastebin.com/a3z9b0k6
[20:15] <ioria> so libbrscandec it's not installed
[20:15] <davido_> I've moved past my immediate need (needed a recent version of openvpn, which I've now compiled from source). But I'm still curious what could be the issue here.
[20:15] <emi71> ioria: ok
[20:16] <ioria> emi71,  i think you did some mistakes or omitted, or skipped  something  installing linux-brprinter-installer-2.2.1-1
[20:17] <davido_> Also, my 'internet connection' is fine: https://pastebin.com/DrCxkAU6
[20:19] <emi71> ioria: ok, but how I can find the brother machine name?
[20:19] <emi71> ioria: it is requested from the driver install
[20:20] <ioria> emi71,  are you installing again ?
[20:21] <ioria> emi71,  you only need 'MFC-J491DW'
[20:21] <emi71> ioria: not for now. my printer works, and I want to be sure continue to work :)
[20:21] <ioria> ok
[20:23] <emi71> ioria: the driver tool ask "device URI" number
[20:24] <ioria> emi71,  what installer are you running now ?
[20:25] <emi71> ioria: I don't running anything for now. obiously I must use driver tool. but this tool request 2 things: name and "device URI" number
[20:27] <ioria> emi71, i don't get you; the installer you (should) run is : sudo bash  linux-brprinter*
[20:29] <emi71> ioria: watch this. is clear. request name and "device URI" number. https://justpaste.it/3s06h
[20:30] <ioria> emi71,  yes... and ?
[20:30] <emi71> ioria: I don't understand what is the "device URI" number
[20:31] <ioria> emi71,  do you have options or not ?
[20:31] <ioria> emi71,  (A) Auto   should be the last option
[20:32] <emi71> ioria: look step 7 : https://justpaste.it/3s06h
[20:32] <ioria> emi71,  you type 'Y'
[20:33] <emi71> ioria: Y and device URI number
[20:33] <ioria> nope
[20:33] <ioria> just 'Y'
[20:35] <alnr> when I insert a usb drive it is automatically mounted as /media/alnr/{uuid}. How can i control the mountpoint for auto mount? eg /media/alnr/other or even /path/to/other.
[20:35] <ioria> you disable automount
[20:37] <TJ-> alnr: the udisks daemon is handling that and uses /media/$USER/${FS_UUID:-$FS_LABEL}
[20:37] <emi71> ioria: if you press "Y" you must specify device URI number
[20:38] <EriC^> alnr: you might be able to change it in the program "disks"
[20:38] <alnr> o
[20:39] <alnr> i'm wondering if i go in gparted and use label file system on the partition that is mounting, if udisks will use that instead of FS_UUID
[20:39] <ioria> emi71, open firefox and go to "http://localhost:631/printers
[20:39] <EriC^> alnr: yeah, go to disks > click on it, click on settings > edit mount options
[20:39] <TJ-> alnr: udisks usually prefers label over UUID
[20:40] <emi71> ioria: done
[20:42] <ioria> emi71, click Modify
[20:42] <Edico> hi
[20:43] <Edico> does files (the filemanager) has menu with copy, paste, ... functions. cause I can't find it
[20:43] <emi71> ioria: I must go now. thanks for support.
[20:44] <ioria> emi71, the nuri is something like this : pd://IP-STAMPANTE/binary_p1ù
[20:44] <ioria> emi71, the URI is  like this : pd://IP-STAMPANTE/binary_p1
[20:45] <ioria> emi71, ok
[21:06] <alnr> i gave up on disks (gnome-disks) bc it doesnt see the partition under an extended. but i mounted it manually where i wanted, and now if i unmount and reinsert it mounts there, how is ubuntu remembering that?
[21:08] <pragmaticenigma> where/how did you mount it?
[21:09] <alnr> mount /dev/sdc6 /mnt/ultra
[21:12] <EriC^> alnr: you dont need disks, all it does is add an fstab entry i think
[21:13] <alnr> i was going to add UUID={uuid}  /mnt/ultra      ext4 to /etc/fstab, but it seems i dont have to, it knows now
[21:13] <EriC^> this is what it adds for me "/dev/disk/by-uuid/6AF6F434F6F4025D /mnt/6AF6F434F6F4025D auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show,noauto 0 0"
[21:14] <EriC^> alnr: you can modify that for your uuid and mountpoint, i selected in the options not to automount on startup, so that's why there's a noauto option at the end
[21:44] <rafajafar> hey guys, I had some issues with my wifi adapter earlier this week after an update. So I got some help in here and after a couple hours the solution was to stop using -76 and to switch to 5.0.0.37.95 / 5.0.0-37.40~18.04.1
[21:46] <jeremy31> rafajafar: can you run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post only the termbin URL after the second command is run
[21:48] <rafajafar> sure jeremy31 https://termbin.com/uuij
[21:48] <rafajafar> actually it's funny but the nodejs guys are trying to blame that upgrade for some things not showing up in the console when I run tests (after a long time working with them btw)
[21:48] <rafajafar> but I dont think that's it, and it just kinda dawned on me how I can show that
[21:48] <rafajafar> either way rand that command and gave you the termbin
[21:51] <jeremy31> rafajafar: It might be some issue with backports-iwlwifi-dkms
[21:51] <rafajafar> well I had a script I would run after every single upgrade and it was working until -76
[21:51] <rafajafar> after -76 it made my machine completely freeze and I couldn't do anything
[21:51] <rafajafar> and on reboot it'd free on the splash screen
[21:52] <jeremy31> rafajafar: do you have proposed repos enabled?
[21:52] <rafajafar> I dont know
[21:52] <rafajafar> and dont know how to know sorry
[21:52] <jeremy31> rafajafar: do you mean 4.15.0-76?
[21:52] <glick> hi
[21:53] <glick> does anyone here use ubuntu mate?
[21:54] <rafajafar> ah under developer options in the software updater? No the pre-released updates (bionice-proposed) is unchecked jeremy31
[21:55] <glick> anyone?
[21:55] <EriC^> glick: just ask the question, if anyone knows they'll help
[21:56] <rafajafar> no jeremy31 I use 5.0.0-37-generic
[21:56] <rafajafar> when I type `uname -r` that's what comes up
[21:57] <jeremy31> rafajafar: URL for> dkms status | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:57] <rafajafar> it came from this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[21:57] <rafajafar> ok sec
[21:57] <glick> how can i see what package is in the 19.10 respos?
[21:57] <rafajafar> https://termbin.com/fxnd
[21:59] <jeremy31> rafajafar: why the rtl8821ce driver install?
[21:59] <OerHeks> glick, install synaptic, a much more  detailed softwarecenter
[21:59] <rafajafar> not sure, dunno what that is
[21:59] <OerHeks> that is, if you have 19.10 installed, else look at launchpad?
[22:00] <jeremy31> rafajafar: did anything work with -76?
[22:00] <rafajafar> no, frozen on splash screen
[22:01] <rafajafar> after 40 min wait, still no progress, go back ti -74 and it worked again
[22:02] <TJ-> rafajafar: you know you can tap Esc key to hide the splash screen and see the kernel messages? (if the system hasn't locked up)
[22:03] <jeremy31> rafajafar: stick with -74 since it works, the 5.0 kernels go EOL by the end of the month
[22:10] <rafajafar> ohh ok so jeremy31 how do I make -74 my default? And remove 5.0?
[22:11] <rafajafar> also I'm afraid that next upgrade will blow me up again
[22:11] <jeremy31> rafajafar: Just reboot into 4.15.0-74, then do a sudo apt remove linux-image-5.0.0-37-generic
[22:11] <rafajafar> also thank you for the tip TJ- I did not know that, but I feel like I hit the esc key and nothing happened, could be wrongly remember that though
[22:11] <rafajafar> ok!
[22:14] <jeremy31> rafajafar: you could also edit /etc/default/grub and change one line from "GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden" to "GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu" then after saving, do a sudo update-grub
[22:17] <OerHeks> yes, kernel 5.0 will end this month, when 19.04 goes EOL, you will get the HWE-edge kernel, 5.3.x
[22:30] <FutureTense> How do I create functions like found in this link? https://gist.github.com/lonnen/3101795 are they like shell scripts?
[22:31] <rafajafar> sooo jeremy31 -74 is the one I had. I dont have -76. -74 causes problems. I tried hitting esc and even changing the boot to nosplash but can't get more info. When I run -74 in recovery mode I get a massive stack dump the very moment I enable networking.
[22:31] <rafajafar> I'm currently running -72
[22:31] <rafajafar> I have no uninstalled 5.0 yet
[22:32] <glick> hi
[22:33] <glick> how come when i try to install qsampler, it says a recommended package is linuxsampler, but when i do an apt search linuxsampler, it cant find any such package
[22:34] <rafajafar> read under their OS binary package section https://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html
[22:35] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I would actually have you use the 5.3 kernel without the intel backport as 5.3 already supports the wifi but I don't know if the nvidia dkms is patched for 5.3 yet in bionic repos
[22:35] <tomreyn> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[22:36] <rafajafar> jeremy31, I'm frightened. Halp! lol
[22:36] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I know there is some Nvidia PPA
[22:37] <tomreyn> "graphics-drivers"
[22:38] <rafajafar> this system has had issues with 18.04 since day one. Got it new too. Thinkpad. https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/ThinkPad-P73/p/22WS2WPWP73
[22:38] <rafajafar> but the backport has been working for some months now
[22:38] <rafajafar> -74 broke it :-/
[22:39] <glick> why isnt linuxsampler in the repos?
[22:39] <glick> are they short on space?
[22:39] <rafajafar> they maintain their own stuff and got lazy I guess glick
[22:39] <rafajafar> you should ask them
[22:39] <GoodTimesImmort> hello room
[22:40] <rafajafar> asking in here is like asking Microsoft why Steam client wont install
[22:40] <rafajafar> but they do provide instructions to compile it yourself!
[22:41] <jeremy31> rafajafar: we are just volunteers, not many developers around
[22:41] <rafajafar> yeah I know, much much appreciated
[22:41] <rafajafar> maybe I should ask ubuntu-dev
[22:41] <GoodTimesImmort> I'm kind of losing my shit here because I just had a Ubuntu Epiphany and can now use workspaces. Like I knew they where there, It just clicked how I specifically can use them. Needed to share. My apologies.
[22:42] <rafajafar> ok some other day, so I want to  sudo apt remove linux-image-5.0.0-37-generic and the -74 versions as well, right?
[22:42] <jeremy31> rafajafar: yes
[22:42] <rafajafar> you're the man jeremy
[22:42] <rafajafar> any way to block -74?
[22:43] <vlt> Hello. To playback video on one machine but its audio on another (with decent hardware connected) I'm currently using jack clent/server connection. That works pretty stable but is there an easier more obvious way to to this?
[22:43] <jeremy31> rafajafar: not real sure
[22:43] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I specialize in wifi support
[22:43] <rafajafar> haha ok
[22:45] <WaV> rafajafar: sudo apt-mark hold PACKAGE | Maybe this is what you're looking for?
[22:45] <rafajafar> yep probably! Thanks WAV
[22:47] <vlt> In my case I could provide the media file on both machines (at least using sshfs). My video player is usually mpv. Maybe it would be much easier to somehow synchronize the playback.
[22:47] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I don't think that is what you want
[22:47] <rafajafar> oh... well I just did it
[22:48] <rafajafar> you sure? based on the manpage it seems reasonable
[22:48] <glick> is anyone running the latest version of darktable?
[22:49] <rafajafar> did: sudo apt-mark hold 4.15.0-74-generic
[22:51] <rafajafar> jeremy31, what's got you concerned?
[22:52] <vlt> glick: I'm running 2.4.2-1. That's the latest in the 18.04 repos.
[22:53] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I don't think that command will work as there is no 4.15.0-74-generic package and if you do that on linux-image-generic you might not find out if the next kernel fixes the issue as you won't get the update
[22:55] <rafajafar> jeremy31, this look bad to you? I dont see linux-image-generic https://imgur.com/fBZtL40
[22:56] <WaV> rafajafar: 4th line down. 5th line if you include the command you entered.
[22:58] <jeremy31> rafajafar: URL for> apt policy linux-image-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:59] <rafajafar> jeremy31, https://termbin.com/hvnd
[23:00] <jeremy31> rafajafar: URL> dpkg -l | grep linux
[23:01] <rafajafar> https://termbin.com/p8fj
[23:01] <EriC^> rafajafar: sudo apt-mark unhold 4.15.0-74-generic
[23:02] <EriC^> nevermind
[23:02] <rafajafar> unholding like a good little atomaton
[23:02] <rafajafar> haha hold again?
[23:02] <EriC^> :D what are you trying to do?
[23:03] <EriC^> to not have any newer kernels installed?
[23:03] <rafajafar> -74 broke my wifi and freezes my system ifnetworking is enabled
[23:03] <rafajafar> previous verions I ran a script called "fixmywifi.sh" that I made
[23:03] <rafajafar> that script no longer helps
[23:03] <rafajafar> I installed 5.0, now hearing that wasnt such a great idea. So trying to get to -72 which still works and stay there
[23:03] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I bet I had you install the backports for iwlwifi
[23:04] <OerHeks> interesting, qsampler is in our repos https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qsampler
[23:04] <rafajafar> that's what my fixmywifi.sh script does
[23:04] <OerHeks> !info qsampler
[23:04] <OerHeks> oh universe...
[23:04] <rafajafar> jeremy31, https://gist.github.com/collincusce/150f5bfad52084f987a2a05f0bfb7299
[23:04] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I mean the dkms version
[23:04] <rafajafar> I think you did earlier this week yes
[23:05] <EriC^> rafajafar: ah i see
[23:06] <OerHeks> glick interesting, why don't you have universe repo enabled by default?
[23:06] <rafajafar> jeremy31, put -74 back on hold?
[23:07] <EriC^> rafajafar: you could use grub to let it always boot 72
[23:07] <EriC^> rafajafar: and when newer kernels come out i guess give them a try to see if they work
[23:08] <glick> OerHeks: universe repo?
[23:08] <glick> whats that?
[23:08] <EriC^> i wonder how it's installing new kernels anyways, there's no linux-image-generic package listed or hwe stuff
[23:08] <rafajafar> right on what about how it keeps cycling the kernel versions?
[23:08] <OerHeks> !repository
[23:09] <rafajafar> I'm a general purpose jack-of-all programmer type, not a great systems guy, can you help me get you the information EriC^ ?'
[23:09] <EriC^> rafajafar: sure ill try
[23:10] <glick> right now im running a live cd
[23:10] <glick> seeing if it will support my nvidia cpu on my laptop
[23:10] <EriC^> rafajafar: about the cycling, i think if you're always running the kernel, it won't autoremove it, just remembered
[23:10] <OerHeks> oh, a live session, that would explain no universe.
[23:11] <EriC^> rafajafar: so just be sure not to run apt-get autoremove when you test out new kernels and you should be good
[23:11] <OerHeks> not sure a live iso is a good measure to test 19.10 + nvidia
[23:11] <rafajafar> ok I'll try to figure out this grub stuff
[23:11] <EriC^> rafajafar: for grub, do this, sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[23:14] <rafajafar> hmmm not seeing a way to stick to one version
[23:14] <EriC^> rafajafar: also type in another terminal 'grep "menuentry.*72" /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
[23:14] <rafajafar> I did turn off the splash screen just in case
[23:14] <EriC^> get the name of it, it should be like "Ubuntu, with Linux .......-generic"
[23:15] <rafajafar> 	menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-72-generic' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-4.15.0-72-generic-advanced-a58fba83-7d89-4df8-939d-0b27b7a587c4' {
[23:15] <rafajafar> 	menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-72-generic (recovery mode)' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-4.15.0-72-generic-recovery-a58fba83-7d89-4df8-939d-0b27b7a587c4' {
[23:15] <EriC^> rafajafar: then in /etc/default/grub change GRUB_DEFAULT= at the top to GRUB_DEFAULT='Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-72-generic'
[23:16] <EriC^> rafajafar: then save and exit and sudo update-grub
[23:17] <rafajafar> alright rebooting
[23:17] <tomreyn> and then take note of the things you edited so you'll be able to undo them later, since you'll want to at some point.
[23:18] <rafajafar> ok reboot went swimmingly
[23:19] <tomreyn> water cooling?
[23:19] <WaV> lol
[23:19] <rafajafar> haha
[23:20] <rafajafar> I guess I'll stick with this for now, still a bit concerned about my upgrade path
[23:21] <GoodTimesImmort> In 19.10 I see Seahorse is the password manager, and it seems like it can encypt folders and files but the option does not pop up on right click. Any ideas?
[23:21] <glick> hey when you install ubuntu, and select guided encrypted lvm
[23:21] <glick> it doesnt set up swapspace?
[23:21] <glick> or keep the efi partition?
[23:22] <glick> it just wants to blow away all the parititions?
[23:27] <glick> does the installer not handle efi?
[23:34] <EriC^> glick: screenshots?
[23:39] <glick> EriC^: https://paste.pics/7Q1YB
[23:40] <EriC^> glick: do you have stuff on the disk you want?
[23:41] <EriC^> that option will erase the entire disk and set up lvm+encryption, it would take care of the bootloader by itself, efi, etc
[23:41] <glick> no EriC^
[23:42] <glick> does lvm + encryption use LUKS
[23:42] <glick> ?
[23:42] <EriC^> yes
[23:42] <glick> ok ill give it a shot then
[23:42] <glick> hope it doesnt b0rk anything
[23:42] <OerHeks> swapfile, i believe
[23:46] <glick> looks like it already fucked my disks up lol
[23:46] <glick> i knew it
[23:46] <OerHeks> please, keep your language in the channel family friendly, thanks
[23:47] <glick> i get an error occured while configuring encryped volumes
[23:47] <glick> config aborted
[23:47] <glick> and the partitions are already messed up
[23:47] <glick> whoohoo!
[23:58] <seven-eleven> hi